Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} just that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > just that! > If the self is not tangible.......how tangible are its impressions? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > just that! > Brings to mind this old zen quote: " When an ordinary man attains knowledge, he is called a sage, and when a sage attains understanding, he is called an ordinary man. " Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > just that! as to that Great Matter: The Great Matter of Life and Death Zen Master Kyong Ho Zen Master Kyong Ho (1849-1912) is Zen Master Seung Sahn's great-grandteacher. His name means " empty mirror. " 1. It is no small thing for a person to become a Bhikku (Buddhist Monk) or Bhikkuni (Buddhist Nun). A person does not become a Sunim (Korean honorific for monk or nun) to eat and dress well. Rather, they want to be free from life and death by accomplishing Buddhahood. 2. To accomplish Buddhahood, one has to discover one's own Mind, which is already within one's own body. 3. To discover Mind, one should understand that one's body is no more than a dead corpse and that this world is, for good or bad, nothing but a dream. One's death is like popping out in the evening of the same day that you have popped in during the morning. After death, sometimes one may be born in one of the hells, sometimes in the realm of animals and sometimes in the realm of ghosts. Then one must endure incalculable pains and sufferings. 4. Since this is true, do not concern yourself with the worldly life. Just examine and carefully observe your mind at all times. What does this which is now seeing, hearing and thinking look like? Does this have any form or not? Is this big or small? Is this yellow or green? Is this bright or dark? 5. Examine and observe this matter carefully. Let your examination and observation become like a mouse-catching cat; or like an egg-laying hen; or like a desperately hungry, old, crafty mouse gnawing a hole in a rice bag. Let your examination and observation be focused at one point and do not forget it. Keep it before you by raising doubt and by questioning yourself. Do not let this doubt go away while you are doing chores or the like. Do not let your question (doubt) escape from you even while you are not doing anything special. By eagerly and sincerely practicing in this manner, finally. there will be the moment of awakening to your own Mind. 6. Study hard by raising your faith. Raising your faith is sincerely reexamining the matter just mentioned. 7. To be born a human being is most difficult. It is even more difficult to be born into favorable circumstances - harder still to become a Bhikku or Bhikkuni. It is the most difficult thing of all to find correct and righteous Dharma teaching. We should reflect on this matter deeply. 8. Shakyamuni Buddha once said, " One who is already a human being is like a speck of dirt clinging to a fingernail, while the one who has become an animal by losing his human form is as common as the dirt of the ground. If one loses the human form this time, then one will have to wait countless eons to recover it. When someone is in one of the many hells, he is unaware of it, as if playing games in a flower garden. Becoming a hungry ghost, asura, or animal, he acts like he is dwelling in his own home. 9. " However, if one is awakened and has accomplished Buddhahood, he does not have to live or die. That is, he does not have to endure any kind of suffering again. " These words should be carefully considered one by one. 10. Once, Zen Master Kwon, a Bhikkhu, began meditating from morning to night. As soon as the sun would set, he would beat his fists against the ground in frustration and cry out, " I have lost another day without realizing my Mind. " He continued this way every day until he was fully awakened. Since there are many who have exhibited the determination of Master Kwon, it is impossible for me here to cite everyone who has had the determination to meditate until enlightened. 11. None of them were worried about living or dying, nor about eating, dressing well, nor sleeping. In our study, we should practice the same way. Consider this carefully! 12. Once Zen Master Dong Sahn wrote: Do not seek noble titles nor wish to have possessions nor ask for prosperity. Wherever you happen to be, just live in accord with your karma here and now in this life. If your clothes wear out, patch them again and again. If there is no food, barely even search for it. When the warm energy under your chin grows cold, suddenly you become a corpse. What remains after death is only a hollow name. After all, how many days will this transient body live? Why work hard only to acquire useless things? That only makes your mind dark and causes you to forget your practice. 13. After awakening one's own mind, one should always preserve its purity and tranquility. Cultivate this mind without allowing it to be tainted by worldly things. Then plenty of good things (that is, pleasure which comes from the Awakening) will happen. Faithfully, trust in this. When you have to die, there will be no more suffering or sickness. You can go freely to Nirvana or anywhere else you chose (i.e., you control your own life as a free person in the world). 14. Shakyamuni Buddha said, " If anyone -- man or woman, old or young -- has faith in these words and studies, each will, as a result, become a Buddha. " Why would Shakyamuni Buddha deceive us? 15. The Fifth Patriarch, Hung Jen Zen Master, said, " By examination and observation of mind, one will become enlightened naturally. " Then he further promised us that, " If you don't have faith in what I say, in future lives you will be eaten by tigers over and over again. On the other hand, if I have deceived you, I will fall into the dungeon of hell with no exit. " Since the Patriarchs have said these words, should we not take them to heart? 16. If you take up this practice, do not agitate your mind; let it be like a mountain. Let your mind be like a clear and empty space and continue to reflect on enlightening Dharma like the moon reflects the sun. Whether others think that you are right or wrong is not your concern. Do not judge or criticize others. Just be at ease and go on mindlessly like a simpleton or a fool; or, be like one who is struck deaf and dumb. Spend your life as if you cannot hear a thing, or like an infant. Then, sooner or later, all the delusion will disappear. 17. If one wishes to accomplish Buddhahood, it is useless to attempt to understand and master worldly life. It would be like one trying to fix food out of dung, or like trying to cut jade out of mud. It is totally useless for the accomplishing of Buddhahood. There is no reason for occupying oneself with worldly affairs. 18. See your own death in the death of others. Do not put your trust in this body. Rather, remind yourself again and again to not miss a moment to awaken your own mind. 19. Ask yourself repeatedly, " What does this mind look like? " In your daily rounds, continue to ask yourself, " What does this mind look like? " Reflect upon this question so intensely that you are like a starving man thinking of nothing but good food. Do not lose hold of your questioning at any time. 20. Buddha has said, " Whatever has a form, that is, everything, is all delusory. " He also said, " Everything that the ordinary human being does is subject to life and death. There is only one way for us to be a true person and this is Realization of our own mind. " 21. It is said, " Do not drink liquor, " since it will intoxicate and make your mind dull. Also, " Do not speak lies, " since it will only accelerate delusive states of mind. Furthermore, " Do not steal, " since it only helps to make your mind jealous and full of desires. You should observe these and all the precepts. Breaking the precepts can be very harmful for your cultivation and for your life itself. You should not cling to or incline yourself towards breaking any of them. 22. Master Ox-herder, Mokguja (Chinul), once mentioned that, " Indulging in craving and desire for property are as vicious as poisonous snakes. Watch your body and mind carefully when such desires arise and then understand them as they are. Detach yourself from them as much as possible. " 23. These words are very important and they should be remembered. They will make your study more effective. Buddha said, " Becoming angry even once raises ten million vicious sins. A student must simply endure and tolerate the angry mind. " Many masters have also said that because of anger, one becomes a tiger, a bee, a snake, or some similar stinging or biting creature. From foolish-mindedness, one becomes either a bird or a butterfly. Depending upon his degree of low-mindedness, one becomes either an ant, mosquito or the like. From craving things, one becomes a hungry ghost. The type of desire or anger molds the nature of hell into which one will accordingly fall. Each and every state of mind determines the kind of creature one is to become. 24. However, if one's mind is unattached, one becomes a Buddha. Even a " good " or positive state of mind is useless. Even though such a condition of mind can create a heavenly future life, it is still limited. As soon as one reaches heaven, he immediately begins descending to the hellish or animal realms in successive re-births. If no intention is held in the mind, then there is no place to be born again. One's mind is so pure and unconfused, it cannot go to the dark places. This pure and quiescent mind is the way of Buddha. 25. If one questions with one-pointed concentration, then this mind naturally settles down and become tranquil. By this one automatically realizes one's own mind as quiescent and tranquil. This is the same as becoming a Buddha. 26. This way is very direct and goes right to the point. It is the best way one can practice. Read and examine this talk from time to time and, on the right occasions, even tell other people. This is as good as reading eighty-four thousand volumes of scriptures. Studying in this manner, one will accomplish Buddhahood in this lifetime. Do not think this talk to be some contrived encouragement or expedient deception. Follow these words with your whole-hearted mind. 27. In the deep canyon where the clear stream is flowing continuously, all kinds of birds are singing everywhere. No one ever comes to visit this place. It is the so-called Sunim's place (monastery), and is quiet and tranquil. Here is where I sit and contemplate and examine what this mind is. Now, if this mind is not what Buddha is, then what else is it? 28. You have just heard a very rare talk. You should continue to study this great matter enthusiastically. Do not hurry, otherwise you might become sick or get a terrible headache. Calm yourself, then ceaselessly meditate. Most of all, be careful not to force yourself. Rather, relax and let your right questioning be within! what crap huh? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " <> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > > just that! > Brings to mind this old zen quote: > " When an ordinary man attains knowledge, he is called a sage, > and when a sage attains understanding, he is called an ordinary man. " brings to mind that timeless question: what is a man when he is neither a sage nor a man? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > > just that! > > > > > > If the self is not tangible.......how tangible are its impressions? > > > > toombaru well frankly both self and impressions are immaterial. what's really important is too. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " <> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > > > just that! > > > > > > Brings to mind this old zen quote: > > " When an ordinary man attains knowledge, he is called a sage, > > and when a sage attains understanding, he is called an ordinary man. " > > > > > > brings to mind that timeless question: > > what is a man when he is neither a sage nor a man? > > > .b b.b. > A survival machine. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " <> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great > Matter--it > > > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that > " sansations " > > > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It > was...{pointing} > > > > just that! > > > > > > > > > > > Brings to mind this old zen quote: > > > " When an ordinary man attains knowledge, he is called a sage, > > > and when a sage attains understanding, he is called an ordinary man. " > > > > > > > > > > > > brings to mind that timeless question: > > > > what is a man when he is neither a sage nor a man? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > A survival machine. > > > toombaru it is and it isn't. there is nothing to it. no need to survive...no need to die. howls of laughter... silent.. piercing and piecing... a hole within holes without holes. not even my sacred fishing hole. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > > just that! > > > > > > If the self is not tangible.......how tangible are its impressions? P: And yet, you hit the brakes when the intangible takes the form of a car slowing down ahead of you. There is a name for a mind split between contradictory ideas and actitions. I'll give a hint it is a medical term. > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > > > just that! > > > > > > > > > > > If the self is not tangible.......how tangible are its impressions? > > P: And yet, you hit the brakes when the intangible takes the form > of a car slowing down ahead of you. There is a name for a mind > split between contradictory ideas and actitions. I'll give a hint it > is a medical term. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > You confuse the physical body with the imaginary self. One is tangible......one is not. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > > > just that! > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru >> If the self is not tangible.......how tangible are its impressions? > > P: And yet, you hit the brakes when the intangible takes the form > of a car slowing down ahead of you. There is a name for a mind > split between contradictory ideas and actitions. I'll give a hint it > is a medical term. if, in some manifestation of consciousness, classical reasoning about the temporal ordering of events leads us to a contradictory conclusions, then this is a strong indication that quantum actions are at work! only the brilliant understand. that's why 'you' don't. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great Matter--it > > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that " sansations " > > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It was...{pointing} > > > just that! > > > > > > > > > > > If the self is not tangible.......how tangible are its impressions? > > P: And yet, you hit the brakes when the intangible takes the form > of a car slowing down ahead of you. There is a name for a mind > split between contradictory ideas and actitions. I'll give a hint it > is a medical term. " you hit the brakes when the intangible takes the form of a car slowing down ahead of you. " vs. " the brakes are hit when the intangible takes the form of a car slowing down ahead. " (using passive voice) That's a potentially very different interpretation. Even life-threatening situations don't necesarily require activation from a self-center. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great > Matter--it > > > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that > " sansations " > > > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It > was...{pointing} > > > > just that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the self is not tangible.......how tangible are its impressions? > > > > P: And yet, you hit the brakes when the intangible takes the form > > of a car slowing down ahead of you. There is a name for a mind > > split between contradictory ideas and actitions. I'll give a hint it > > is a medical term. > > " you hit the brakes when the intangible takes the form > of a car slowing down ahead of you. " > vs. > " the brakes are hit when the intangible takes the form > of a car slowing down ahead. " (using passive voice) > > That's a potentially very different interpretation. > > Even life-threatening situations don't necesarily require > activation from a self-center. > > > Bill P: What you said is not relevant to my post, whether the action is personal or not, it's in conflict with the belief that cars are intangible. A shadow of a bird crossing the street wouldn't provoke braking. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Today, driving--such a great time for pondering the Great > > Matter--it > > > > > occurred to me that the car ahead of me--snappy little red job--was > > > > > just a bundle of sensations. Then it occurred to me that > > " sansations " > > > > > is a kind of dream word, I mean something speculative or > > > > > imaginary.That red car was not sensations at all. It > > was...{pointing} > > > > > just that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the self is not tangible.......how tangible are its impressions? > > > > > > P: And yet, you hit the brakes when the intangible takes the form > > > of a car slowing down ahead of you. There is a name for a mind > > > split between contradictory ideas and actitions. I'll give a hint it > > > is a medical term. > > > > " you hit the brakes when the intangible takes the form > > of a car slowing down ahead of you. " > > vs. > > " the brakes are hit when the intangible takes the form > > of a car slowing down ahead. " (using passive voice) > > > > That's a potentially very different interpretation. > > > > Even life-threatening situations don't necesarily require > > activation from a self-center. > > > > > > Bill > > P: What you said is not relevant to my post, > whether the action is personal or not, it's > in conflict with the belief that cars are intangible. > > A shadow of a bird crossing the street wouldn't > provoke braking. breathtaking! taking breath to gales of laughter. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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