Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: NonDualPhil , " George Poggemann " <poggemann@m...> wrote: > The first beneficial practice I learned was transcendental > meditation. Ken wilber says TM is a powerful causal practice rather > than nondual. It is a laid back mantra meditation that is very > obviously effective, especially in the first few months. It has the > immediate effect of cleaning out superficial psychological problems > very quickly. In the first few sessions there is immediate but > temporary relief from the ego and a result of deep rest and > relaxation. > The first three or four months are the most pleasant. After that > the going isn't as easy but is valuable and progressive. One begins > to resolve more difficult obstructions and there is a noticeable > increase in awareness. After about four years the gains become less > obvious. I experienced some paranormal stuff that was really > valuable only in that it was encouraging. Others report acquiring > witnessing even in deep sleep but that has not been my experience. > > For a period of six years I practiced another method with a > jawbreaker mantra from the Radha Soasmi tradition. It was aimed at > the subtle levels. I found it ineffective. Namaste, One had to be careful one doesn't go around digging wells everywhere and stopping short of finding water. Sometimes it is better to dig one well deeply. If one does, one will find one's own self has the answer for the best sadhana. Reading can be a better guide. No doubt you have read Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Atmananda etc. Not leaving out Sankara and the texts. TM sounds very much like concentration rather than meditation, and as long as it is helpful it can be used.........OMOO....ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: NonDualPhil , " George Poggemann " <poggemann@m...> wrote: > " Greg Goode " <goode@D...> wrote: > > Hey George, > > > > Welcome! > > Thank you. > > I am going to a Zen center to learn Shikataza. > > What I am looking for is personal experience people have had with > various spiritual methods in raja and jnana yoga if we use those > terms. In my younger years I used the other methods to my near self > destruction. I have no belief system left to support them. Also I > have all the books I can stand. > > I would like to hear the kind of report I gave in my second post > from those who have used other methods. TM was a great step > foreward for me. On the other hand Radha Soami despite tremendous > effort and two trips to India had no value. > > Thank you for your response. Namaste, It depends on one's temperament, inclinations and vasanas. I started out studying Native American, then Kabbalah, then Taoism/Buddhism. I ended up following a Bhakti form of Hinduism and then ended up in Advaita Vedanta. One has to remember that practise is just that, the practise and may not appear to bring immediate results. It is one's own inner intellect or Vijnanamayakosa that has to be developed not a mantra or a construct. No system can do it for you they are but paths on a hillside, one has to put one step in front of another. One can do mantras forever but if one doesn't entertain the idea of non duality seriously, the seed doesn't grow. We have to use a thorn to remove a thorn. I suppose in the end result 'God' helps those that help themselves and no other...............ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: NonDualPhil , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/27/05 9:03:18 AM, aoclery writes: > > > > The only result I am completely happy with is 'It never happened at > > all " .............ONS.........Tony. > > > > P: Yes , nothing happens....In the Land of OZ, that is. But OK, I'll > play along. What does this belief do fo' ya? Give a laundry list > of benefits. Maybe you'll make a convert. Namaste, It is very good for helping in the cleaning of the sheaths, as you mentioned laundry. In itself it is a great benefit. The only person that convert anyone is the person themselves...........ONS...--- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 So many people these days scoff at spiritual pratices--japa, visualization, even vipassana. " Since there is no one and since every thing happens of itself anyway, practices don't make sense. " No they don't. But they have as much right to happen as anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > So many people these days scoff at spiritual pratices--japa, > visualization, even vipassana. " Since there is no one and since every > thing happens of itself anyway, practices don't make sense. " No they > don't. But they have as much right to happen as anything else. nothing's happening. nothing is 'right'. there is nothing to be 'anything else'(with/without 'rights'). there are not 'so many people'. so what? 'you' 'seem' upset.. you're not anything to be upset or calm. get over 'it' that 'isn't. ..b b. b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > So many people these days scoff at spiritual pratices--japa, > > visualization, even vipassana. " Since there is no one and since every > > thing happens of itself anyway, practices don't make sense. " No they > > don't. But they have as much right to happen as anything else. > > > > > > nothing's happening. > > nothing is 'right'. > > there is nothing to be 'anything else'(with/without 'rights'). > > there are not 'so many people'. > > so what? > > 'you' 'seem' upset.. > > you're not anything to be upset or calm. > > get over 'it' that 'isn't. > > .b b. b. >Can I help it if AUM wants to get hummed a little? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > So many people these days scoff at spiritual pratices--japa, > > > visualization, even vipassana. " Since there is no one and since > every > > > thing happens of itself anyway, practices don't make sense. " No > they > > > don't. But they have as much right to happen as anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing's happening. > > > > nothing is 'right'. > > > > there is nothing to be 'anything else'(with/without 'rights'). > > > > there are not 'so many people'. > > > > so what? > > > > 'you' 'seem' upset.. > > > > you're not anything to be upset or calm. > > > > get over 'it' that 'isn't. > > > > .b b. b. > >Can I help it if AUM wants to get hummed a little? aumhum..ahem..there is no 'I' to blame. ...or take credit. there is no such thing as blame or credit. don't tell the bank. 'they' won't believe it. and there is no help. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > So many people these days scoff at spiritual pratices--japa, > > > > visualization, even vipassana. " Since there is no one and since > > every > > > > thing happens of itself anyway, practices don't make sense. " No > > they > > > > don't. But they have as much right to happen as anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing's happening. > > > > > > nothing is 'right'. > > > > > > there is nothing to be 'anything else'(with/without 'rights'). > > > > > > there are not 'so many people'. > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > 'you' 'seem' upset.. > > > > > > you're not anything to be upset or calm. > > > > > > get over 'it' that 'isn't. > > > > > > .b b. b. > > >Can I help it if AUM wants to get hummed a little? > > > > > aumhum..ahem..there is no 'I' to blame. > > ..or take credit. > > there is no such thing as blame or credit. > > don't tell the bank. > > 'they' won't believe it. > > and there is no help. > > .b b.b. > Tell it to AUM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So many people these days scoff at spiritual pratices--japa, > > > > > visualization, even vipassana. " Since there is no one and > since > > > every > > > > > thing happens of itself anyway, practices don't make sense. " > No > > > they > > > > > don't. But they have as much right to happen as anything > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing's happening. > > > > > > > > nothing is 'right'. > > > > > > > > there is nothing to be 'anything else'(with/without 'rights'). > > > > > > > > there are not 'so many people'. > > > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > > > 'you' 'seem' upset.. > > > > > > > > you're not anything to be upset or calm. > > > > > > > > get over 'it' that 'isn't. > > > > > > > > .b b. b. > > > >Can I help it if AUM wants to get hummed a little? > > > > > > > > > > aumhum..ahem..there is no 'I' to blame. > > > > ..or take credit. > > > > there is no such thing as blame or credit. > > > > don't tell the bank. > > > > 'they' won't believe it. > > > > and there is no help. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Tell it to AUM. no one to tell aum anything. no aum to tell 'it' to. that's THAT. ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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