Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Dear Self please hear your own voice here in these words... with love and respect binduji - Dear Self -- What is purity -- what is impurity Dear one why do you see other than The Self? (Siva) since HE is ALL? what is anava mala to the one who knows The Self? Since he does not see any impure thing (he sees all as the self and\or existence as the body of the self).... how can anything be said to be impure to him? On the other hand for he who does not see the Self in all AS ALL then impure and pure also applies.. To That one who says thusly... it is true though when HIS self realises HIM..purity starts ... else the self is lost in prakrithi.. The above means... If a person sees other than the self in shape or form (including his own) then he will be subject to the parkrti (the results of his thought that THE SELF is impure)he will via this be limited in himself to the Jiva... His saying that this is pure and that is impure, means he is seeing other then the self.... <--- for this to come about or be applied... he (The Jiva) must see himself in comparison to others hence he is in bondage also even though he cries about purity. .. To quote a friend.. SB. For those who live in Self as the beauty Devoid of thought, there is nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to is only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state nothing exists to be attained other than oneself. (THE REAL SELF). Stillness or peace is realization. There is no moment when the Self is not. So long as there is doubt or the feeling of non- realization, the attempt should be made to rid oneself of these thoughts. They are due to the identification of the Self with the not- self. When the not-self disappears, the Self alone remains. That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? end quote.. I asked him then how one should conduct oneself in silence... Quote: SB: Sages say that the state in which the thought " I " (the ego) does not rise even in the least, THAT alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence(mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. BUt The JIva is NOT The Self! For those who live in Self as the beauty devoid of thought, there is nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to is only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state nothing exists to be attained other than oneself. Silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. We have simply to throw out all the age-long Samskaras (innate tendencies) which are inside us. When all of them have been given up, the Self will shine alone. Dear this also you have to realize in silence. Yes, because. Self is you only, you can't describe Self. There is no goal to be reached. There is nothing to be attained. You are The Self. You exist always. Nothing more can be predicated of the Self than that it exists. Seeing God or the Self is only being the Self or yourself. Seeing is being. b: So then even when the waves of consciousness ebb and flow one should not think of anything like descriptions. SB: if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself. b: Jai Jai Ram.... so then ..... the moving arrow moves in a space equal to itself .. hence it does not and cannot move at all. In the same way the universe (existence) though it appears to move does not move at all, hence it does not exist in any separate way from HIM SB: yes, right. So i asked another question: b: I see. Dear here is a question: When the small light of the jiva is lost in the great light of The Self... who will know he is free? SB: no one ji, u see ji, there is no jiva separate from the Great Light; all are just illusions only. b: yes,: so then who will be free? What is freedom to or for he who is already free? SB: no one will be free because. now also no one is in bondage; free from what? Is there any bondage, no, not at all. We only think that there is a bondage and we try to get free from that bondage; mind itself creates the bondage and then cries to be free. b: Yes. Here is something from Avadhuta Gita Chapter One--- >> 13. You are not born nor do you die. At no time do you have a body. The scripture declares in many different ways - the well-known dictum: " All is Brahman. " 14. You are He who is exterior and interior. You are the auspicious One existing everywhere at all times. Why are you running hither and thither deluded, like an unclean spirit? 15. Union and separation exist in regard neither to you nor to me. There is no you, no me, nor is there this universe. All is verily the Self alone. bindu: 19. You verily are Truth, devoid of change, motionless, one, of the nature of freedom. You have neither attachment nor aversion . Why do you suffer, seeking the objects of desires? 20. All the scriptures say that the Truth is without attributes, pure, immutable, bodiless, and existing equally everywhere. Know me to be That. 21. Know that which has form to be false, that which is formless to be eternal. Through the instruction of this truth there is no longer rebirth into this world. SB: The jnani (self-realised) is not conscious of mukti or bandha (bondage). Bondage, liberation and orders of mukti are all said for an ajnani (ignorant) in order that ignorance might be shaken off. There is only mukti or liberation and nothing else. It is the human mind that creates its own difficulties and then cries for help. b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!! b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!! SB: It is true that we are not bound and that the real Self has no bondage. It is true that you will eventually go back to your source. Liberation is our very nature. We are that. The very fact that we wish for liberation shows that freedom from all bondage is our real nature. It is not to be freshly acquired. All that is necessary is to get rid of the false notion that we are bound. When we achieve that, there will be no desire or thought of any sort. So long as one desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one is in bondage. b: Where Can I Go? Oh Krishna, where can I go but into the heart of you? where does anywhere exist but in you? who am I ... but for you ? it is only because of you that I exist I am yours . of myself ..... I am not Oh Krishna what was I before this ? before I knew you before my heart who am I? When the over-bright wonder of my soul shines forth who will deny you? Oh Krishna You are my very self of myself ..... I am not I reach the soul of you and find - not myself but you ,,,,,, nothing but you everywhere, everywhere -.nothing but you OM! Oh Krishna, fair sun of truth this soul which you have given me is nothing but your own through it I live, through it I love by it am I lifted to you oh Krishna Dear Krishna OM! b: So long as one desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one is in bondage. yes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " bindu " <binduau wrote: > > Dear Self please hear your own voice here in these words... > > with love and respect binduji > > - > > Dear Self -- What is purity -- what is impurity > > > > Dear one why do you see other than The Self? (Siva) since HE is ALL? > > what is anava mala to the one who knows The Self? Since he does not > see > any impure thing (he sees all as the self and\or existence as the body > of the self).... how can anything be said to be impure to him? > > On the other hand for he who does not see the Self in all AS ALL then > impure and pure also applies.. To That one who says thusly... > it is true though when HIS self realises HIM..purity starts ... else > the self is lost in prakrithi.. > > The above means... If a person sees other than the self in shape or > form (including his own) then he will be subject to the parkrti (the > results of his thought that THE SELF is impure)he will via this be > limited in himself to the Jiva... His saying that this is pure and > that > is impure, means he is seeing other then the self.... <--- for this to > come about or be applied... he (The Jiva) must see himself in > comparison to others hence he is in bondage also even though he cries > about purity. > . > > To quote a friend.. > > SB. > For those who live in Self as the beauty Devoid of thought, there is > nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to > is > only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state nothing > exists to be attained other than oneself. (THE REAL SELF). > > Stillness or peace is realization. There is no moment when the > Self is not. So long as there is doubt or the feeling of non- > realization, the attempt should be made to rid oneself of these > thoughts. They are due to the identification of the Self with the not- > self. When the not-self disappears, the Self alone remains. > > > That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That > which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? > > end quote.. > > I asked him then how one should conduct oneself in silence... > > > Quote: > > SB: Sages say that the state in which the thought " I " (the ego) does > not rise even in the least, THAT alone is Self (swarupa) which is > silence(mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva > (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. BUt The JIva is > NOT The Self! > > For those who live in Self as the beauty devoid of thought, there is > nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to > is only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state > nothing exists to be attained other than oneself. Silence alone is > the real and perfect knowledge. > > We have simply to throw out all the age-long Samskaras (innate > tendencies) which are inside us. When all of them have been given up, > the Self will shine alone. > > Dear this also you have to realize in silence. Yes, because. > Self is you only, you can't describe Self. There is no goal to be > reached. There is nothing to be attained. You are The Self. You exist > always. Nothing more can be predicated of the Self than that it > exists. Seeing God or the Self is only being the Self or yourself. > Seeing is being. > > b: So then even when the waves of consciousness ebb and flow one > should not think of anything like descriptions. > > > SB: if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any > movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only > and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of > thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself. > > b: Jai Jai Ram.... so then ..... the moving arrow moves in a space > equal to itself .. hence it does not and cannot move at all. In the > same way the universe (existence) though it appears to move does not > move at all, hence it does not exist in any separate way from HIM > > SB: yes, right. > > So i asked another question: > > b: I see. Dear here is a question: When the small light of the jiva > is lost in the great light of The Self... who will know he is free? > > SB: no one ji, u see ji, there is no jiva separate from the Great > Light; all are just illusions only. > > b: yes,: so then who will be free? What is freedom to or for he who is > already free? > > SB: no one will be free because. now also no one is in bondage; free > from what? Is there any bondage, no, not at all. We only think that > there is a bondage and we try to get free from that bondage; mind > itself creates the bondage and then cries to be free. > > > b: Yes. Here is something from Avadhuta Gita Chapter One--- >> > > 13. You are not born nor do you die. At no time do you have a body. > The scripture declares in many different ways - the well-known > dictum: " All is Brahman. " > > 14. You are He who is exterior and > interior. You are the auspicious One existing everywhere at all > times. Why are you running hither and thither deluded, like an > unclean spirit? > > 15. Union and separation exist in regard neither to > you nor to me. There is no you, no me, nor is there this universe. > All is verily the Self alone. > > bindu: 19. You verily are Truth, devoid of change, motionless, one, of > the > nature of freedom. You have neither attachment nor aversion . Why do > you suffer, seeking the objects of desires? > > 20. All the scriptures say that the Truth is without attributes, > pure, immutable, bodiless, and existing equally everywhere. Know me > to be That. 21. Know that which has form to be false, that which is > formless to be eternal. Through the instruction of this truth there > is no longer rebirth into this world. > > > SB: The jnani (self-realised) is not conscious of mukti or bandha > (bondage). Bondage, liberation and orders of mukti are all said for > an ajnani (ignorant) in order that ignorance might be shaken off. > There is only mukti or liberation and nothing else. > > It is the human mind that creates its own difficulties and then cries > for help. > > b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!! > > b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!! > > SB: It is true that we are not bound and that the real Self has no > bondage. It is true that you will eventually go back to your source. > > Liberation is our very nature. We are that. The very fact that we > wish for liberation shows that freedom from all bondage is our real > nature. It is not to be freshly acquired. All that is necessary is to > get rid of the false notion that we are bound. When we achieve that, > there will be no desire or thought of any sort. So long as one > desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one is in bondage. > > > b: Where Can I Go? Oh Krishna, where can I go but into the heart of > you? where does anywhere exist but in you? who am I ... but for you ? > it is only because of you that I exist I am yours . of myself ..... I > am not > > Oh Krishna what was I before this ? before I knew you before my heart > who am I? When the over-bright wonder of my soul shines forth who > will deny you? > > Oh Krishna You are my very self of myself ..... I am not I reach the > soul of you and find - not myself but you ,,,,,, nothing but you > everywhere, everywhere -.nothing but you OM! > > Oh Krishna, fair sun of truth this soul which you have given me is > nothing but your own through it I live, through it I love by it am I > lifted to you oh Krishna Dear Krishna OM! > > b: So long as one desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one > is in bondage. yes!! > THIS STUFF HAS EFFECTIVELY BROKEN THE JAW THE JAW OF MY ENDEAVOR TO UNDERSTAND IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself. ~~~~~~~~~ what is said about no movement in consciousness... for how could there be when there is no identification and yet consciousness is alive, dynamic in relative terms: everything is relative in absolute terms: everything is relative it is that no fragment of consciousness is more actual, more real than any other fragment in the entirety of phenomenal manifestation nothing is special realization of this is realization that movement had always been an invention within and when that projection of movement upon the profundity comes to cease the churning in the sea of consciousness comes to At Rest Bill Nisargadatta , " bindu " <binduau wrote: > > Dear Self please hear your own voice here in these words... > > with love and respect binduji > > - > > Dear Self -- What is purity -- what is impurity > > > > Dear one why do you see other than The Self? (Siva) since HE is ALL? > > what is anava mala to the one who knows The Self? Since he does not > see > any impure thing (he sees all as the self and\or existence as the body > of the self).... how can anything be said to be impure to him? > > On the other hand for he who does not see the Self in all AS ALL then > impure and pure also applies.. To That one who says thusly... > it is true though when HIS self realises HIM..purity starts ... else > the self is lost in prakrithi.. > > The above means... If a person sees other than the self in shape or > form (including his own) then he will be subject to the parkrti (the > results of his thought that THE SELF is impure)he will via this be > limited in himself to the Jiva... His saying that this is pure and > that > is impure, means he is seeing other then the self.... <--- for this to > come about or be applied... he (The Jiva) must see himself in > comparison to others hence he is in bondage also even though he cries > about purity. > . > > To quote a friend.. > > SB. > For those who live in Self as the beauty Devoid of thought, there is > nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to > is > only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state nothing > exists to be attained other than oneself. (THE REAL SELF). > > Stillness or peace is realization. There is no moment when the > Self is not. So long as there is doubt or the feeling of non- > realization, the attempt should be made to rid oneself of these > thoughts. They are due to the identification of the Self with the not- > self. When the not-self disappears, the Self alone remains. > > > That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That > which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? > > end quote.. > > I asked him then how one should conduct oneself in silence... > > > Quote: > > SB: Sages say that the state in which the thought " I " (the ego) does > not rise even in the least, THAT alone is Self (swarupa) which is > silence(mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva > (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. BUt The JIva is > NOT The Self! > > For those who live in Self as the beauty devoid of thought, there is > nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to > is only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state > nothing exists to be attained other than oneself. Silence alone is > the real and perfect knowledge. > > We have simply to throw out all the age-long Samskaras (innate > tendencies) which are inside us. When all of them have been given up, > the Self will shine alone. > > Dear this also you have to realize in silence. Yes, because. > Self is you only, you can't describe Self. There is no goal to be > reached. There is nothing to be attained. You are The Self. You exist > always. Nothing more can be predicated of the Self than that it > exists. Seeing God or the Self is only being the Self or yourself. > Seeing is being. > > b: So then even when the waves of consciousness ebb and flow one > should not think of anything like descriptions. > > > SB: if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any > movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only > and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of > thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself. > > b: Jai Jai Ram.... so then ..... the moving arrow moves in a space > equal to itself .. hence it does not and cannot move at all. In the > same way the universe (existence) though it appears to move does not > move at all, hence it does not exist in any separate way from HIM > > SB: yes, right. > > So i asked another question: > > b: I see. Dear here is a question: When the small light of the jiva > is lost in the great light of The Self... who will know he is free? > > SB: no one ji, u see ji, there is no jiva separate from the Great > Light; all are just illusions only. > > b: yes,: so then who will be free? What is freedom to or for he who is > already free? > > SB: no one will be free because. now also no one is in bondage; free > from what? Is there any bondage, no, not at all. We only think that > there is a bondage and we try to get free from that bondage; mind > itself creates the bondage and then cries to be free. > > > b: Yes. Here is something from Avadhuta Gita Chapter One--- >> > > 13. You are not born nor do you die. At no time do you have a body. > The scripture declares in many different ways - the well-known > dictum: " All is Brahman. " > > 14. You are He who is exterior and > interior. You are the auspicious One existing everywhere at all > times. Why are you running hither and thither deluded, like an > unclean spirit? > > 15. Union and separation exist in regard neither to > you nor to me. There is no you, no me, nor is there this universe. > All is verily the Self alone. > > bindu: 19. You verily are Truth, devoid of change, motionless, one, of > the > nature of freedom. You have neither attachment nor aversion . Why do > you suffer, seeking the objects of desires? > > 20. All the scriptures say that the Truth is without attributes, > pure, immutable, bodiless, and existing equally everywhere. Know me > to be That. 21. Know that which has form to be false, that which is > formless to be eternal. Through the instruction of this truth there > is no longer rebirth into this world. > > > SB: The jnani (self-realised) is not conscious of mukti or bandha > (bondage). Bondage, liberation and orders of mukti are all said for > an ajnani (ignorant) in order that ignorance might be shaken off. > There is only mukti or liberation and nothing else. > > It is the human mind that creates its own difficulties and then cries > for help. > > b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!! > > b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!! > > SB: It is true that we are not bound and that the real Self has no > bondage. It is true that you will eventually go back to your source. > > Liberation is our very nature. We are that. The very fact that we > wish for liberation shows that freedom from all bondage is our real > nature. It is not to be freshly acquired. All that is necessary is to > get rid of the false notion that we are bound. When we achieve that, > there will be no desire or thought of any sort. So long as one > desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one is in bondage. > > > b: Where Can I Go? Oh Krishna, where can I go but into the heart of > you? where does anywhere exist but in you? who am I ... but for you ? > it is only because of you that I exist I am yours . of myself ..... I > am not > > Oh Krishna what was I before this ? before I knew you before my heart > who am I? When the over-bright wonder of my soul shines forth who > will deny you? > > Oh Krishna You are my very self of myself ..... I am not I reach the > soul of you and find - not myself but you ,,,,,, nothing but you > everywhere, everywhere -.nothing but you OM! > > Oh Krishna, fair sun of truth this soul which you have given me is > nothing but your own through it I live, through it I love by it am I > lifted to you oh Krishna Dear Krishna OM! > > b: So long as one desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one > is in bondage. yes!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Anice translation to Advaitin terms Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any > movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only > and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of > thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself. > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > what is said about no movement in consciousness... > for how could there be when there is no identification > > and yet consciousness is alive, dynamic > > in relative terms: everything is relative > in absolute terms: everything is relative > > it is that no fragment of consciousness is more actual, > more real than any other fragment > > in the entirety of phenomenal manifestation > nothing is special > > realization of this > is realization that movement had always been > an invention within > > and when that projection of movement > upon the profundity > comes to cease > the churning in the sea of consciousness > comes to > At Rest > > Bill > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bindu " <binduau@> wrote: > > > > Dear Self please hear your own voice here in these words... > > > > with love and respect binduji > > > > - > > > > Dear Self -- What is purity -- what is impurity > > > > > > > > Dear one why do you see other than The Self? (Siva) since HE is ALL? > > > > what is anava mala to the one who knows The Self? Since he does not > > see > > any impure thing (he sees all as the self and\or existence as the body > > of the self).... how can anything be said to be impure to him? > > > > On the other hand for he who does not see the Self in all AS ALL then > > impure and pure also applies.. To That one who says thusly... > > it is true though when HIS self realises HIM..purity starts ... else > > the self is lost in prakrithi.. > > > > The above means... If a person sees other than the self in shape or > > form (including his own) then he will be subject to the parkrti (the > > results of his thought that THE SELF is impure)he will via this be > > limited in himself to the Jiva... His saying that this is pure and > > that > > is impure, means he is seeing other then the self.... <--- for this to > > come about or be applied... he (The Jiva) must see himself in > > comparison to others hence he is in bondage also even though he cries > > about purity. > > . > > > > To quote a friend.. > > > > SB. > > For those who live in Self as the beauty Devoid of thought, there is > > nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to > > is > > only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state nothing > > exists to be attained other than oneself. (THE REAL SELF). > > > > Stillness or peace is realization. There is no moment when the > > Self is not. So long as there is doubt or the feeling of non- > > realization, the attempt should be made to rid oneself of these > > thoughts. They are due to the identification of the Self with the not- > > self. When the not-self disappears, the Self alone remains. > > > > > > That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That > > which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? > > > > end quote.. > > > > I asked him then how one should conduct oneself in silence... > > > > > > Quote: > > > > SB: Sages say that the state in which the thought " I " (the ego) does > > not rise even in the least, THAT alone is Self (swarupa) which is > > silence(mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva > > (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. BUt The JIva is > > NOT The Self! > > > > For those who live in Self as the beauty devoid of thought, there is > > nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to > > is only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state > > nothing exists to be attained other than oneself. Silence alone is > > the real and perfect knowledge. > > > > We have simply to throw out all the age-long Samskaras (innate > > tendencies) which are inside us. When all of them have been given up, > > the Self will shine alone. > > > > Dear this also you have to realize in silence. Yes, because. > > Self is you only, you can't describe Self. There is no goal to be > > reached. There is nothing to be attained. You are The Self. You exist > > always. Nothing more can be predicated of the Self than that it > > exists. Seeing God or the Self is only being the Self or yourself. > > Seeing is being. > > > > b: So then even when the waves of consciousness ebb and flow one > > should not think of anything like descriptions. > > > > > > SB: if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any > > movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only > > and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of > > thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself. > > > > b: Jai Jai Ram.... so then ..... the moving arrow moves in a space > > equal to itself .. hence it does not and cannot move at all. In the > > same way the universe (existence) though it appears to move does not > > move at all, hence it does not exist in any separate way from HIM > > > > SB: yes, right. > > > > So i asked another question: > > > > b: I see. Dear here is a question: When the small light of the jiva > > is lost in the great light of The Self... who will know he is free? > > > > SB: no one ji, u see ji, there is no jiva separate from the Great > > Light; all are just illusions only. > > > > b: yes,: so then who will be free? What is freedom to or for he who is > > already free? > > > > SB: no one will be free because. now also no one is in bondage; free > > from what? Is there any bondage, no, not at all. We only think that > > there is a bondage and we try to get free from that bondage; mind > > itself creates the bondage and then cries to be free. > > > > > > b: Yes. Here is something from Avadhuta Gita Chapter One--- >> > > > > 13. You are not born nor do you die. At no time do you have a body. > > The scripture declares in many different ways - the well-known > > dictum: " All is Brahman. " > > > > 14. You are He who is exterior and > > interior. You are the auspicious One existing everywhere at all > > times. Why are you running hither and thither deluded, like an > > unclean spirit? > > > > 15. Union and separation exist in regard neither to > > you nor to me. There is no you, no me, nor is there this universe. > > All is verily the Self alone. > > > > bindu: 19. You verily are Truth, devoid of change, motionless, one, of > > the > > nature of freedom. You have neither attachment nor aversion . Why do > > you suffer, seeking the objects of desires? > > > > 20. All the scriptures say that the Truth is without attributes, > > pure, immutable, bodiless, and existing equally everywhere. Know me > > to be That. 21. Know that which has form to be false, that which is > > formless to be eternal. Through the instruction of this truth there > > is no longer rebirth into this world. > > > > > > SB: The jnani (self-realised) is not conscious of mukti or bandha > > (bondage). Bondage, liberation and orders of mukti are all said for > > an ajnani (ignorant) in order that ignorance might be shaken off. > > There is only mukti or liberation and nothing else. > > > > It is the human mind that creates its own difficulties and then cries > > for help. > > > > b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!! > > > > b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!! > > > > SB: It is true that we are not bound and that the real Self has no > > bondage. It is true that you will eventually go back to your source. > > > > Liberation is our very nature. We are that. The very fact that we > > wish for liberation shows that freedom from all bondage is our real > > nature. It is not to be freshly acquired. All that is necessary is to > > get rid of the false notion that we are bound. When we achieve that, > > there will be no desire or thought of any sort. So long as one > > desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one is in bondage. > > > > > > b: Where Can I Go? Oh Krishna, where can I go but into the heart of > > you? where does anywhere exist but in you? who am I ... but for you ? > > it is only because of you that I exist I am yours . of myself ..... I > > am not > > > > Oh Krishna what was I before this ? before I knew you before my heart > > who am I? When the over-bright wonder of my soul shines forth who > > will deny you? > > > > Oh Krishna You are my very self of myself ..... I am not I reach the > > soul of you and find - not myself but you ,,,,,, nothing but you > > everywhere, everywhere -.nothing but you OM! > > > > Oh Krishna, fair sun of truth this soul which you have given me is > > nothing but your own through it I live, through it I love by it am I > > lifted to you oh Krishna Dear Krishna OM! > > > > b: So long as one desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one > > is in bondage. yes!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any > movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only > and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of > thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself. > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > what is said about no movement in consciousness... > for how could there be when there is no identification > > and yet consciousness is alive, dynamic > > in relative terms: everything is relative > in absolute terms: everything is relative > > it is that no fragment of consciousness is more actual, > more real than any other fragment > > in the entirety of phenomenal manifestation > nothing is special > > realization of this > is realization that movement had always been > an invention within > > and when that projection of movement > upon the profundity > comes to cease > the churning in the sea of consciousness > comes to > At Rest > > Bill > > ........and the dream evaporates in the light of awareness...... t, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Oh Mirror You are my very self ..... you are me and I am you, I reach the soul of you and find - the soul of everyone ,,,,,, everywhere, everywhere -.nothing but you Oh Mirror you! Dear Self please hear your own voice here in these words... with love, lulu ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Dear Self -- Dear One, why do you see others than The Self in others? You are ALL, there are no others, you Are the others, see yourself! What is reality to the one who knows The Self? He does not see any others (he sees all as The Self). On the other hand for he who does not see the Self in all, the others are not The Self. The above means... If a person sees other than The Self in others then he is seeing other then The Self in himself. Where Can I Go? Oh Mirror, where can I go but into the heart of you? where does anywhere exist but in you? who am I ... but you? it is because of you that I exist I am yours. Oh Mirror what was I before this ? before I knew you before you knew me? When the over-bright wonder of my soul shines forth who will deny you? Oh Mirror You are my very self ..... I am you, and you are me, I reach the soul of you and find - the soul of everyone ,,,,,, everywhere, everywhere -.nothing but you Oh Mirror you! Oh Mirror, fair sun of truth this soul which you have given me is nothing but your own through it I live, through it I love by it I am lifted to you oh Mirror Dear Mirror Oh Mirror Oh Mirror! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any > > movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only > > and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of > > thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > what is said about no movement in consciousness... > > for how could there be when there is no identification > > > > and yet consciousness is alive, dynamic > > > > in relative terms: everything is relative > > in absolute terms: everything is relative > > > > it is that no fragment of consciousness is more actual, > > more real than any other fragment > > > > in the entirety of phenomenal manifestation > > nothing is special > > > > realization of this > > is realization that movement had always been > > an invention within > > > > and when that projection of movement > > upon the profundity > > comes to cease > > the churning in the sea of consciousness > > comes to > > At Rest > > > > Bill > > > .......and the dream evaporates in the light of awareness...... > > t, > yeah... isn't it interesting how light in the visual sense brings with it a quality of light in the graviational sense? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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