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Yeah, Let us dicuss some 'philosphies' instead.

 

That can be so dry. . .

that can surely help me get out of this Heaven.

 

Yeah, tell me how I have got it all wrong Again.

Tell me how it is all Unreal.

 

Tell me what Shankara said,

what Buddha meant, what Niz said. . .

 

yeah, that will surely get me out of this heaven.

 

Yeah, tell me how 'I' don't even exist. . .

Tell me how it all is just my " illusion " .

 

Yeah. . . make me 'think'. . .

Yeah, make me 'doubt'. . . anyhow, any way. . .

 

and, that DOUBT will surely get me out of this Heaven!

 

Yeah, yeah. . . help me please. . .

Help me, like you help yourself. . . in getting out!

 

 

 

Yeah, even I am sure, I don't belong. . .

Yeah, Serve some more philophies. . . yeah, Help me Get Out!

 

Tell me how it is " supposed " to be,

Tell me how it " really " is,

Tell me. . . how it is " not " , the ONE I know It Is!

 

Yes, Any DOUBT will do. . .

 

 

[ NNB ]

 

> >

> > My BEING is so pleasant. . .

> >

> > that I feel very 'guilty' each time,

> > I become That!

> >

> >

> > I feel as if I have 'stolen' a treasure.

> >

> > I feel as if I have 'sneaked' into heaven. . .

> > and, I shouldn't have.

> >

> >

> > I feel as I have forgotten my 'form identity'. . .

> >

> > and, have entered the UNITY that. . . I shouldn't have.

> >

> >

> >

> > I feel as if I was living in 'exile'. . .

> >

> > As if I was 'supposed' to be living in Exile. . .

> >

> > As if had made a 'promise' to live in Exile. . .

> > outside the gates of Heaven. . .

> >

> > Yet, I entered heaven Again. . .

> >

> > And, I feel so Guilty. . .

> > For breaking the promise,

> > that I think I had made when I 'incarnated'.

> >

> >

> > I was supposed to prented to always keep looking. . .

> > Yet, to never 'find' it. . .

> >

> > at laest, this is how, I remember it. . .

> >

> > And, thus, each time, I stumble on it,

> > Ah. . . I feel ever so guilty.

> >

>

> unburden yourself

>

> give It up

>

> (I am serious)

>

>

> ((even bliss is bondage))

>

> Bill

>

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doubt is irrelevant when beliefs have expired

in significance

 

but as the dream you call Heaven

becomes ever lighter

as its traces

ever more empty

 

as the dissolving of who was in Heaven

and what was Heaven

evaporates

 

then

 

something no words can ever touch

 

 

 

Bill

 

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Yeah, Let us dicuss some 'philosphies' instead.

>

> That can be so dry. . .

> that can surely help me get out of this Heaven.

>

> Yeah, tell me how I have got it all wrong Again.

> Tell me how it is all Unreal.

>

> Tell me what Shankara said,

> what Buddha meant, what Niz said. . .

>

> yeah, that will surely get me out of this heaven.

>

> Yeah, tell me how 'I' don't even exist. . .

> Tell me how it all is just my " illusion " .

>

> Yeah. . . make me 'think'. . .

> Yeah, make me 'doubt'. . . anyhow, any way. . .

>

> and, that DOUBT will surely get me out of this Heaven!

>

> Yeah, yeah. . . help me please. . .

> Help me, like you help yourself. . . in getting out!

>

>

>

> Yeah, even I am sure, I don't belong. . .

> Yeah, Serve some more philophies. . . yeah, Help me Get Out!

>

> Tell me how it is " supposed " to be,

> Tell me how it " really " is,

> Tell me. . . how it is " not " , the ONE I know It Is!

>

> Yes, Any DOUBT will do. . .

>

>

> [ NNB ]

>

> > >

> > > My BEING is so pleasant. . .

> > >

> > > that I feel very 'guilty' each time,

> > > I become That!

> > >

> > >

> > > I feel as if I have 'stolen' a treasure.

> > >

> > > I feel as if I have 'sneaked' into heaven. . .

> > > and, I shouldn't have.

> > >

> > >

> > > I feel as I have forgotten my 'form identity'. . .

> > >

> > > and, have entered the UNITY that. . . I shouldn't have.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I feel as if I was living in 'exile'. . .

> > >

> > > As if I was 'supposed' to be living in Exile. . .

> > >

> > > As if had made a 'promise' to live in Exile. . .

> > > outside the gates of Heaven. . .

> > >

> > > Yet, I entered heaven Again. . .

> > >

> > > And, I feel so Guilty. . .

> > > For breaking the promise,

> > > that I think I had made when I 'incarnated'.

> > >

> > >

> > > I was supposed to prented to always keep looking. . .

> > > Yet, to never 'find' it. . .

> > >

> > > at laest, this is how, I remember it. . .

> > >

> > > And, thus, each time, I stumble on it,

> > > Ah. . . I feel ever so guilty.

> > >

> >

> > unburden yourself

> >

> > give It up

> >

> > (I am serious)

> >

> >

> > ((even bliss is bondage))

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn

wrote:

>

> doubt is irrelevant when beliefs have expired

> in significance

>

> but as the dream you call Heaven

> becomes ever lighter

> as its traces

> ever more empty

>

> as the dissolving of who was in Heaven

> and what was Heaven

> evaporates

>

> then

>

> something no words can ever touch

 

 

And, is that where, Bill lives?

 

Is that where, Bill wants ac to live?

 

 

Am I going to get straight, direct,

yes, no answer?

 

Or,

 

Am I going to hear another 'lecture'

in 'nondual' 'philosphy' ;)?;)

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > doubt is irrelevant when beliefs have expired

> > in significance

> >

> > but as the dream you call Heaven

> > becomes ever lighter

> > as its traces

> > ever more empty

> >

> > as the dissolving of who was in Heaven

> > and what was Heaven

> > evaporates

> >

> > then

> >

> > something no words can ever touch

>

>

> And, is that where, Bill lives?

no one lives there

 

>

> Is that where, Bill wants ac to live?

Bill doesn't want ac to anything

 

>

>

> Am I going to get straight, direct,

> yes, no answer?

>

> Or,

>

> Am I going to hear another 'lecture'

> in 'nondual' 'philosphy' ;)?;)

 

draw your own conclusion

 

 

Bill

 

PS: can you squint your eyes at this message

and see the picture of Jesus?

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> > > but as the dream you call Heaven

> > > becomes ever lighter

> > > as its traces

> > > ever more empty

> > >

> > > as the dissolving of who was in Heaven

> > > and what was Heaven

> > > evaporates

> > >

> > > then

> > >

> > > something no words can ever touch

> >

> >

> > And, is that where, Bill lives?

> no one lives there

>

> >

> > Is that where, Bill wants ac to live?

> Bill doesn't want ac to anything

>

> >

> >

> > Am I going to get straight, direct,

> > yes, no answer?

> >

> > Or,

> >

> > Am I going to hear another 'lecture'

> > in 'nondual' 'philosphy' ;)?;)

>

> draw your own conclusion

 

 

I see defensiveness in your reply,

I see defensiveness in my reply that followed it

and I see defensiveness in your reply that followed

my reply.

 

Do you see that too?

 

 

Without my defensiveness,

I would simply answer:

 

No, I don't live there continually but, I have

tasted it many times. My guess is that, perhaps, sages

like Ramana, Niz, JK lived in that state continually

or most of the times.

 

 

Just a truly felt answer.

No disrespect or hard feeling intended.

 

 

 

Regards,

ac

 

 

 

 

>

>

> Bill

>

> PS: can you squint your eyes at this message

> and see the picture of Jesus?

 

Yes, I can.

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

>

> > > > but as the dream you call Heaven

> > > > becomes ever lighter

> > > > as its traces

> > > > ever more empty

> > > >

> > > > as the dissolving of who was in Heaven

> > > > and what was Heaven

> > > > evaporates

> > > >

> > > > then

> > > >

> > > > something no words can ever touch

> > >

> > >

> > > And, is that where, Bill lives?

> > no one lives there

> >

> > >

> > > Is that where, Bill wants ac to live?

> > Bill doesn't want ac to anything

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Am I going to get straight, direct,

> > > yes, no answer?

> > >

> > > Or,

> > >

> > > Am I going to hear another 'lecture'

> > > in 'nondual' 'philosphy' ;)?;)

> >

> > draw your own conclusion

>

>

> I see defensiveness in your reply,

> I see defensiveness in my reply that followed it

> and I see defensiveness in your reply that followed

> my reply.

>

> Do you see that too?

>

>

> Without my defensiveness,

> I would simply answer:

>

> No, I don't live there continually but, I have

> tasted it many times. My guess is that, perhaps, sages

> like Ramana, Niz, JK lived in that state continually

> or most of the times.

 

not defensive... but how can words apply to what is

not a state?

 

it is ever-present...

more subtle than breath

not a sensation

and there is no-one having experience

 

and yet

no departure from it

even a moment

 

it is impossible to have a sense of

" what kind of space I am in " ,

of whether I am " having a good day "

or whether I am " in a good place "

 

impossible I say

yet no way to explain

 

as if a certain nerve bundle

response for the

" this is my experience " sense

were removed by a surgeon's knife

 

it does not come and go

 

everything is love

and yet no sentiment of that

just a soft undulation of translucence

and as for feeling

even more unspeakable

not feeling that is " my feeling "

but somehow permeating all of space

an unspeakable tenderness

 

I say these things to you not because

I want you to change

something I can't feel anyway

but because

you seem on the verge

of falling into

this vastness

 

Bill

 

>

> Just a truly felt answer.

> No disrespect or hard feeling intended.

>

>

>

> Regards,

> ac

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> > PS: can you squint your eyes at this message

> > and see the picture of Jesus?

>

> Yes, I can.

>

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