Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Yeah, Let us dicuss some 'philosphies' instead. That can be so dry. . . that can surely help me get out of this Heaven. Yeah, tell me how I have got it all wrong Again. Tell me how it is all Unreal. Tell me what Shankara said, what Buddha meant, what Niz said. . . yeah, that will surely get me out of this heaven. Yeah, tell me how 'I' don't even exist. . . Tell me how it all is just my " illusion " . Yeah. . . make me 'think'. . . Yeah, make me 'doubt'. . . anyhow, any way. . . and, that DOUBT will surely get me out of this Heaven! Yeah, yeah. . . help me please. . . Help me, like you help yourself. . . in getting out! Yeah, even I am sure, I don't belong. . . Yeah, Serve some more philophies. . . yeah, Help me Get Out! Tell me how it is " supposed " to be, Tell me how it " really " is, Tell me. . . how it is " not " , the ONE I know It Is! Yes, Any DOUBT will do. . . [ NNB ] > > > > My BEING is so pleasant. . . > > > > that I feel very 'guilty' each time, > > I become That! > > > > > > I feel as if I have 'stolen' a treasure. > > > > I feel as if I have 'sneaked' into heaven. . . > > and, I shouldn't have. > > > > > > I feel as I have forgotten my 'form identity'. . . > > > > and, have entered the UNITY that. . . I shouldn't have. > > > > > > > > I feel as if I was living in 'exile'. . . > > > > As if I was 'supposed' to be living in Exile. . . > > > > As if had made a 'promise' to live in Exile. . . > > outside the gates of Heaven. . . > > > > Yet, I entered heaven Again. . . > > > > And, I feel so Guilty. . . > > For breaking the promise, > > that I think I had made when I 'incarnated'. > > > > > > I was supposed to prented to always keep looking. . . > > Yet, to never 'find' it. . . > > > > at laest, this is how, I remember it. . . > > > > And, thus, each time, I stumble on it, > > Ah. . . I feel ever so guilty. > > > > unburden yourself > > give It up > > (I am serious) > > > ((even bliss is bondage)) > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 doubt is irrelevant when beliefs have expired in significance but as the dream you call Heaven becomes ever lighter as its traces ever more empty as the dissolving of who was in Heaven and what was Heaven evaporates then something no words can ever touch Bill Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Yeah, Let us dicuss some 'philosphies' instead. > > That can be so dry. . . > that can surely help me get out of this Heaven. > > Yeah, tell me how I have got it all wrong Again. > Tell me how it is all Unreal. > > Tell me what Shankara said, > what Buddha meant, what Niz said. . . > > yeah, that will surely get me out of this heaven. > > Yeah, tell me how 'I' don't even exist. . . > Tell me how it all is just my " illusion " . > > Yeah. . . make me 'think'. . . > Yeah, make me 'doubt'. . . anyhow, any way. . . > > and, that DOUBT will surely get me out of this Heaven! > > Yeah, yeah. . . help me please. . . > Help me, like you help yourself. . . in getting out! > > > > Yeah, even I am sure, I don't belong. . . > Yeah, Serve some more philophies. . . yeah, Help me Get Out! > > Tell me how it is " supposed " to be, > Tell me how it " really " is, > Tell me. . . how it is " not " , the ONE I know It Is! > > Yes, Any DOUBT will do. . . > > > [ NNB ] > > > > > > > My BEING is so pleasant. . . > > > > > > that I feel very 'guilty' each time, > > > I become That! > > > > > > > > > I feel as if I have 'stolen' a treasure. > > > > > > I feel as if I have 'sneaked' into heaven. . . > > > and, I shouldn't have. > > > > > > > > > I feel as I have forgotten my 'form identity'. . . > > > > > > and, have entered the UNITY that. . . I shouldn't have. > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel as if I was living in 'exile'. . . > > > > > > As if I was 'supposed' to be living in Exile. . . > > > > > > As if had made a 'promise' to live in Exile. . . > > > outside the gates of Heaven. . . > > > > > > Yet, I entered heaven Again. . . > > > > > > And, I feel so Guilty. . . > > > For breaking the promise, > > > that I think I had made when I 'incarnated'. > > > > > > > > > I was supposed to prented to always keep looking. . . > > > Yet, to never 'find' it. . . > > > > > > at laest, this is how, I remember it. . . > > > > > > And, thus, each time, I stumble on it, > > > Ah. . . I feel ever so guilty. > > > > > > > unburden yourself > > > > give It up > > > > (I am serious) > > > > > > ((even bliss is bondage)) > > > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > doubt is irrelevant when beliefs have expired > in significance > > but as the dream you call Heaven > becomes ever lighter > as its traces > ever more empty > > as the dissolving of who was in Heaven > and what was Heaven > evaporates > > then > > something no words can ever touch And, is that where, Bill lives? Is that where, Bill wants ac to live? Am I going to get straight, direct, yes, no answer? Or, Am I going to hear another 'lecture' in 'nondual' 'philosphy' ?;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > doubt is irrelevant when beliefs have expired > > in significance > > > > but as the dream you call Heaven > > becomes ever lighter > > as its traces > > ever more empty > > > > as the dissolving of who was in Heaven > > and what was Heaven > > evaporates > > > > then > > > > something no words can ever touch > > > And, is that where, Bill lives? no one lives there > > Is that where, Bill wants ac to live? Bill doesn't want ac to anything > > > Am I going to get straight, direct, > yes, no answer? > > Or, > > Am I going to hear another 'lecture' > in 'nondual' 'philosphy' ?;) draw your own conclusion Bill PS: can you squint your eyes at this message and see the picture of Jesus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 > > > but as the dream you call Heaven > > > becomes ever lighter > > > as its traces > > > ever more empty > > > > > > as the dissolving of who was in Heaven > > > and what was Heaven > > > evaporates > > > > > > then > > > > > > something no words can ever touch > > > > > > And, is that where, Bill lives? > no one lives there > > > > > Is that where, Bill wants ac to live? > Bill doesn't want ac to anything > > > > > > > Am I going to get straight, direct, > > yes, no answer? > > > > Or, > > > > Am I going to hear another 'lecture' > > in 'nondual' 'philosphy' ?;) > > draw your own conclusion I see defensiveness in your reply, I see defensiveness in my reply that followed it and I see defensiveness in your reply that followed my reply. Do you see that too? Without my defensiveness, I would simply answer: No, I don't live there continually but, I have tasted it many times. My guess is that, perhaps, sages like Ramana, Niz, JK lived in that state continually or most of the times. Just a truly felt answer. No disrespect or hard feeling intended. Regards, ac > > > Bill > > PS: can you squint your eyes at this message > and see the picture of Jesus? Yes, I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > but as the dream you call Heaven > > > > becomes ever lighter > > > > as its traces > > > > ever more empty > > > > > > > > as the dissolving of who was in Heaven > > > > and what was Heaven > > > > evaporates > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > something no words can ever touch > > > > > > > > > And, is that where, Bill lives? > > no one lives there > > > > > > > > Is that where, Bill wants ac to live? > > Bill doesn't want ac to anything > > > > > > > > > > > Am I going to get straight, direct, > > > yes, no answer? > > > > > > Or, > > > > > > Am I going to hear another 'lecture' > > > in 'nondual' 'philosphy' ?;) > > > > draw your own conclusion > > > I see defensiveness in your reply, > I see defensiveness in my reply that followed it > and I see defensiveness in your reply that followed > my reply. > > Do you see that too? > > > Without my defensiveness, > I would simply answer: > > No, I don't live there continually but, I have > tasted it many times. My guess is that, perhaps, sages > like Ramana, Niz, JK lived in that state continually > or most of the times. not defensive... but how can words apply to what is not a state? it is ever-present... more subtle than breath not a sensation and there is no-one having experience and yet no departure from it even a moment it is impossible to have a sense of " what kind of space I am in " , of whether I am " having a good day " or whether I am " in a good place " impossible I say yet no way to explain as if a certain nerve bundle response for the " this is my experience " sense were removed by a surgeon's knife it does not come and go everything is love and yet no sentiment of that just a soft undulation of translucence and as for feeling even more unspeakable not feeling that is " my feeling " but somehow permeating all of space an unspeakable tenderness I say these things to you not because I want you to change something I can't feel anyway but because you seem on the verge of falling into this vastness Bill > > Just a truly felt answer. > No disrespect or hard feeling intended. > > > > Regards, > ac > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > PS: can you squint your eyes at this message > > and see the picture of Jesus? > > Yes, I can. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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