Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > When it is seen that the self...ego....identification....whatever name > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > toombaru what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? what is 'it' trying to survive for? what is not surviving from the first. like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. but your right too. i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. i don't understand. i don't understand anything. it's good that you seem to. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the self...ego....identification....whatever name > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > toombaru > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > what is not surviving from the first. > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > but your right too. > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > i don't understand. > > i don't understand anything. > > it's good that you seem to. > > .b b.b. > Someone pass on the salt and pepper please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the self...ego....identification....whatever > name > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > but your right too. > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > i don't understand. > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Someone pass on the salt and pepper please? Oh! Oh my Lord! you have been so caustic i can hardly stand! what a magnificent reply! sky..grow the fuck up and get a life you friggin' loser. and quit eating your unsalted and unseasoned shitcakes when you attend to the baba's golden words of wisdom. granted that won't help you to understand that which you do not understand. that's too big a chore for anyone or anything. but it will be less embarrassing for you. writing replies like the above makes you look more foolish than you are. well..maybe not! now you've had a few replies from bobji. i know this is what you seek.. it turns our little boy on! now you can go to your crib and do nasty things with yourself. baba won't tell...but watch out for your mommy! ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the self...ego....identification....whatever name > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > toombaru > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? The dream. > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > what is not surviving from the first. Don't know what this means. > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into another form. Energy and form are not spearated. There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > but your right too. > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually separated and given a name. > > i don't understand. > > i don't understand anything. > > it's good that you seem to. > > .b b.b. > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and keep a collection of shadows in a shoe box. toombaru Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly about " This " . Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part unsuccessful. We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an attempt to share our personal experiences. Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced us.....and as the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a moment........we became each other. How do I put that into words? Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > The dream. there is no dream. that's just a somatic drift believing more nonsense. > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. we are not speaking about 'organisms. not physical or psychological.. singularly or in groups.. we are speaking of a 'mechanism'. i'm reminded of Hofstadter's toilet water level mechanism and thermostatic regulation. the thermostat seems to seek a level of temperature, the toilet seems to seek a water level, and both 'things or system's' appear to have the earmarks of conscious will. they both 'react' to disturbances in equilibrium and to 'choose' to correct them. they are not sentient. they do not seek to survive. they do not seek to reproduce. that's just the phantoms imagination running wild..as usual. > > what is not surviving from the first. Don't know what this means. what is not surviving?? if your talking about it..it survives. survival just means 'going on'... not 'dying'. what is it that is not of this nature? temporal and corporeal limitations do not apply in Reality. > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > another form. > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... well, a few may disagree. most 21rst century mathematicians and physicists would disagree. most of the writers of that old claptrap found in sutras and scripture would as well. i don't take a stand. where is there to stand and upon what? > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > separated and given a name. i've heard it called 'unstuff' before. being unborn myself...i have no idea. ideas are for the bewildered. baba needs not the needs of mortal men. and i still do not understand. i cut myself up. laughing at the non-destruction. > > i don't understand. > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and keep a > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > toombaru thanks..i'll add that to my collection of shoe box shadows. > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly about > " This " . > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part unsuccessful. > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an attempt to > share our personal experiences. > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced us.....and as > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a > moment........we became each other. > > > > > How do I put that into words? oh i dunno..have you tried a Harlequin Romance writer? now there's someone who would most certainly be up to the challenge. > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > toombaru #1 or #2? ok...i'll go see the hummingbird while you 'go'. good luck! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > Stimuli. > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream. > > > > > there is no dream. > > that's just a somatic drift believing more nonsense. > > What do you think of WWWW? > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > That is what life does. > > > > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > we are not speaking about 'organisms. > > not physical or psychological.. > > singularly or in groups.. > > we are speaking of a 'mechanism'. > > i'm reminded of Hofstadter's toilet water level mechanism and > > thermostatic regulation. > > the thermostat seems to seek a level of temperature, > > the toilet seems to seek a water level, > > and both 'things or system's' appear to have the earmarks of conscious > > will. > > they both 'react' to disturbances in equilibrium and to 'choose' to > > correct them. > > they are not sentient. > > they do not seek to survive. > > they do not seek to reproduce. > > that's just the phantoms imagination running wild..as usual. > > > > They " seek " to survive in the same way that a tree " seeks " the light......or a salmon " seeks " the headwatters of its home. > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what this means. > > > > > > what is not surviving?? > > if your talking about it..it survives. > > survival just means 'going on'... not 'dying'. > > what is it that is not of this nature? > > temporal and corporeal limitations do not apply in Reality. > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > > another form. > > > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > well, a few may disagree. Consensus has never been an indication of truth. Does a caterpillar change into a butterfly? Does a log change into fire? Does three change into four? > > most 21rst century mathematicians and physicists would disagree. > > most of the writers of that old claptrap found in sutras and scripture > > would as well. > > i don't take a stand. > > where is there to stand and upon what? > > > By stating that you do not take a stand...... you just took a stand. > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > There.........you just took another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > > separated and given a name. > > > > > > i've heard it called 'unstuff' before. > > being unborn myself...i have no idea. > > ideas are for the bewildered. Believing that you have no idea.......is another idea. > > baba needs not the needs of mortal men. > > and i still do not understand. > > i cut myself up. > > laughing at the non-destruction. > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and keep a > > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > > toombaru > > > > thanks..i'll add that to my collection of shoe box shadows. > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly about > > " This " . > > > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part unsuccessful. > > > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an attempt to > > share our personal experiences. > > > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the > > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced us.....and as > > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a > > moment........we became each other. > > > > > > > > > > How do I put that into words? > > > > > > oh i dunno..have you tried a Harlequin Romance writer? now there's > someone who would most certainly be up to the challenge. > > Well...................I guess you had to not be there..... LOL > > > > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > #1 or #2? > > ok...i'll go see the hummingbird while you 'go'. > > good luck! > > .b b.b. > Do you believe in luck? :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > The dream. > > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. Don't know what this means. > > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > another form. > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > > > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > separated and given a name. > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and keep a > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > toombaru Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly about > " This " . > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part unsuccessful. > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an attempt to > share our personal experiences. > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced us.....and as > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a > moment........we became each other. > > > > > How do I put that into words? > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > toombaru > I love you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > > > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what this means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > > another form. > > > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > > separated and given a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and keep a > > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly about > > " This " . > > > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part unsuccessful. > > > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an attempt to > > share our personal experiences. > > > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the > > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced us.....and as > > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a > > moment........we became each other. > > > > > > > > > > How do I put that into words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > I love you. > :-) Bobby is also strangely attracted to me. (but he probably won't admit it) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > > self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > > > > > Stimuli. what stimuli? > > > The dream. > > > > > > > > > > there is no dream. > > > > that's just a somatic drift believing more nonsense. > > > > > > > > What do you think of WWWW? thinking is too slow for the baba. he knows without taking the long way around. > > > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > That is what life does. then you are just defining one thing with another and believing that you have on to something. if the equation is Life is surviving.. it should also be that surviving is Life. stones survive quite well without the Life factor. equation fails. > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > > > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > > > we are not speaking about 'organisms. > > > > not physical or psychological.. > > > > singularly or in groups.. > > > > we are speaking of a 'mechanism'. > > > > i'm reminded of Hofstadter's toilet water level mechanism and > > > > thermostatic regulation. > > > > the thermostat seems to seek a level of temperature, > > > > the toilet seems to seek a water level, > > > > and both 'things or system's' appear to have the earmarks of conscious > > > > will. > > > > they both 'react' to disturbances in equilibrium and to 'choose' to > > > > correct them. > > > > they are not sentient. > > > > they do not seek to survive. > > > > they do not seek to reproduce. > > > > that's just the phantoms imagination running wild..as usual. > > > > > > > > > They " seek " to survive in the same way that a tree " seeks " the > light......or a salmon " seeks " the headwatters of its home. that's my very point..and Doug's as well. mosquitos and ants do as well at the seeming 'will to survive' and 'will to reproduce'. they are in the same league as the toilet regulator and thermostat. (even though here we do have 'organisms'). it's just pattern reproduction..not survival at all. they have no idea nor 'instinct' on this surviving stuff. Long Live Surviving Toilets and Thermostats... as long as they Must. > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what this means. > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving?? > > > > if your talking about it..it survives. > > > > survival just means 'going on'... not 'dying'. > > > > what is it that is not of this nature? > > > > temporal and corporeal limitations do not apply in Reality. > > > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > > > another form. > > > > > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > > > > > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, a few may disagree. > > > > > Consensus has never been an indication of truth. true..the world is at peace, the pope's a buddhist, george bush is smart... i'm beginning to see that this consensus thing is full of crap. > Does a caterpillar change into a butterfly? only if it spends some time in it's own spun cocoon. you should know this well. > Does a log change into fire? only if it's struck by lightening or touched by some ignition source, such as a match held by a creature wanting warmth or wanting to fry their deceased relative before the carcass started to smell too much. > Does three change into four? no..three remains three and four remains four. at least that's what i was taught in 3rd or 4th grade math. > > most 21rst century mathematicians and physicists would disagree. > > > > most of the writers of that old claptrap found in sutras and scripture > > > > would as well. > > > > i don't take a stand. > > > > where is there to stand and upon what? > > > > > > > > > > By stating that you do not take a stand...... > you just took a stand. that's just bullshit. you just don't understand my non understanding. it's Marvelous! be my guest...take a stand! believe me. > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > > There.........you just took another. Truth is so far removed from 'stand-taking' that i am at a loss as to why you seem to think this is the case. > > > > > > > > but your right too. HERE is a mistake! > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > > > separated and given a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > i've heard it called 'unstuff' before. > > > > being unborn myself...i have no idea. > > > > ideas are for the bewildered. Believing that you have no idea.......is another idea. that's just your stand on beliefs. there will come a time when you do not need these props and positions. > > baba needs not the needs of mortal men. > > > > and i still do not understand. > > > > i cut myself up. > > > > laughing at the non-destruction. > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and keep a > > > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > thanks..i'll add that to my collection of shoe box shadows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly about > > > " This " . > > > > > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part unsuccessful. > > > > > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an attempt to > > > share our personal experiences. > > > > > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the > > > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced us.....and as > > > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a > > > moment........we became each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do I put that into words? > > > > > > > > > > > > oh i dunno..have you tried a Harlequin Romance writer? now there's > > someone who would most certainly be up to the challenge. > > > > > > > > > Well...................I guess you had to not be there..... > > > LOL thank my lucky stars. My view anyway. heeeeeeee. but true..baba is never anywhere but everywhere. > > > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > #1 or #2? > > > > ok...i'll go see the hummingbird while you 'go'. > > > > good luck! > > > > .b b.b. > > > Do you believe in luck? > > > :-0 > > > > > > toombaru does luck believe in me? no i don't believe in luck. but even bobji believes in poop and pee. did you go? what a hummingbird you missed. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > > self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > > > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what this means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > > > another form. > > > > > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > > > > > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > > > separated and given a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and keep a > > > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly about > > > " This " . > > > > > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part unsuccessful. > > > > > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an attempt to > > > share our personal experiences. > > > > > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the > > > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced us.....and as > > > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a > > > moment........we became each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do I put that into words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > I love you. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > Bobby is also strangely attracted to me. > > (but he probably won't admit it) > > > > toombaru life is full of strange attractors. of course i'm attracted to you toombaru. you are Me. but you must believe otherwise for the nonce. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto-chemical > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > > > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what this means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > > another form. > > > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > > separated and given a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and keep a > > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly about > > " This " . > > > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part unsuccessful. > > > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an attempt to > > share our personal experiences. > > > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the > > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced us.....and as > > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a > > moment........we became each other. > > > > > > > > > > How do I put that into words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > I love you. thank you so much but i don't need it. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > > > self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive > elecrto-chemical > > > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a > whole new > > > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stimuli. > > > what stimuli? > > > Manifestation. > > > > > The dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no dream. > > > > > > that's just a somatic drift believing more nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of WWWW? > > > > > > thinking is too slow for the baba. > > he knows without taking the long way around. > > I can see that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is what life does. then you are just defining one thing with another and believing that > you have on to something. > > if the equation is Life is surviving.. > > it should also be that surviving is Life. Swimming is not fish. Running is not dog. > > stones survive quite well without the Life factor. > > equation fails. It is sentience the seeks survival..........is survival > > > > > > > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > > > > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are not speaking about 'organisms. > > > > > > not physical or psychological.. > > > > > > singularly or in groups.. > > > > > > we are speaking of a 'mechanism'. > > > > > > i'm reminded of Hofstadter's toilet water level mechanism and > > > > > > thermostatic regulation. > > > > > > the thermostat seems to seek a level of temperature, > > > > > > the toilet seems to seek a water level, > > > > > > and both 'things or system's' appear to have the earmarks of > conscious > > > > > > will. > > > > > > they both 'react' to disturbances in equilibrium and to 'choose' to > > > > > > correct them. > > > > > > they are not sentient. > > > > > > they do not seek to survive. > > > > > > they do not seek to reproduce. > > > > > > that's just the phantoms imagination running wild..as usual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They " seek " to survive in the same way that a tree " seeks " the > > light......or a salmon " seeks " the headwaters of its home. > > > > > that's my very point..and Doug's as well. > > mosquitos and ants do as well at the seeming 'will to survive' and > > 'will to reproduce'. We are splitting definitional hairs. > > they are in the same league as the toilet regulator and thermostat. > > (even though here we do have 'organisms'). > > it's just pattern reproduction..not survival at all. > > they have no idea nor 'instinct' on this surviving stuff. > > Long Live Surviving Toilets and Thermostats... > > as long as they Must. > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what this means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving?? > > > > > > if your talking about it..it survives. > > > > > > survival just means 'going on'... not 'dying'. > > > > > > what is it that is not of this nature? > > > > > > temporal and corporeal limitations do not apply in Reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > > > > another form. > > > > > > > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > > > > > > > > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, a few may disagree. > > > > > > > > > > Consensus has never been an indication of truth. true..the world is at peace, the pope's a buddhist, george bush is > smart... > > i'm beginning to see that this consensus thing is full of crap. > Does a caterpillar change into a butterfly? > > > > > only if it spends some time in it's own spun cocoon. > > you should know this well. The caterpillar does not change. The concept " caterpillar " changes into the concept " butterfly " . The " problem " is in the naming. > > > > > Does a log change into fire? > > > only if it's struck by lightening or touched by some ignition source, > such as a match held by a creature wanting warmth or wanting to fry > their deceased relative before the carcass started to smell too much. > > > > Does three change into four? > > > no..three remains three and four remains four. > > at least that's what i was taught in 3rd or 4th grade math. What is three? What is four. Is there such a thing as three? > > > > > > most 21rst century mathematicians and physicists would disagree. > > > > > > most of the writers of that old claptrap found in sutras and > scripture > > > > > > would as well. > > > > > > i don't take a stand. > > > > > > where is there to stand and upon what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By stating that you do not take a stand...... > > you just took a stand. > > > > that's just bullshit. and..........there's another stand. :-0 > > you just don't understand my non understanding. > > it's Marvelous! > > be my guest...take a stand! > > believe me. > > I believe you. You're just having a little trouble articulating what you know. > > > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There.........you just took another. > > > > Truth is so far removed from 'stand-taking' that i am at a loss as to > why you seem to think this is the case. You say that you don't take a stand.......I say that you are a stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > HERE is a mistake! > > > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > > > > separated and given a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i've heard it called 'unstuff' before. > > > > > > being unborn myself...i have no idea. > > > > > > ideas are for the bewildered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believing that you have no idea.......is another idea. > > > > > > that's just your stand on beliefs. > > there will come a time when you do not need these props and positions. > > > > > > > > baba needs not the needs of mortal men. > > > > > > and i still do not understand. > > > > > > i cut myself up. > > > > > > laughing at the non-destruction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and > keep a > > > > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks..i'll add that to my collection of shoe box shadows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly > about > > > > " This " . > > > > > > > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part > unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an > attempt to > > > > share our personal experiences. > > > > > > > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the > > > > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced > us.....and as > > > > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a > > > > moment........we became each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do I put that into words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh i dunno..have you tried a Harlequin Romance writer? now there's > > > someone who would most certainly be up to the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well...................I guess you had to not be there..... > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > thank my lucky stars. > > My view anyway. > > heeeeeeee. > > but true..baba is never anywhere but everywhere. > > > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > #1 or #2? > > > > > > ok...i'll go see the hummingbird while you 'go'. > > > > > > good luck! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe in luck? > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > does luck believe in me? > > no i don't believe in luck. > > but even bobji believes in poop and pee. > > did you go? > > what a hummingbird you missed. > > > .b b.b. > :-) t. 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 > > > > life is full of strange attractors. > > of course i'm attracted to you toombaru. > > you are Me. > > but you must believe otherwise for the nonce. > > .b b.b. > :-)(-: t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > > > > self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive > > elecrto-chemical > > > > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a > > whole new > > > > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stimuli. > > > > > > what stimuli? > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation. why react to that? > > > > > The dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no dream. > > > > > > > > that's just a somatic drift believing more nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of WWWW? > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking is too slow for the baba. > > > > he knows without taking the long way around. > > > > > > > > I can see that. if you could see that... you wouldn't have asked the wikipey question. > > > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is what life does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then you are just defining one thing with another and believing that > > you have on to something. > > > > if the equation is Life is surviving.. > > > > it should also be that surviving is Life. > > > > Swimming is not fish. > > > Running is not dog. wait a minute...my dog's name is Running. i had a golfish named Swimming. to me a dog named Running IS a dog.. and a fish named Swimming IS a fish. My point of view anyway. Q.E.D. > > stones survive quite well without the Life factor. > > > > equation fails. > It is sentience the seeks survival..........is survival i accept that...it's the thing about mechanisms..reactive or otherwise..'seeking' survival...that i can't come to grips with. yet..survive they do. it would seem that 'seeking' survival is not key to the game. that's just sentience trying to state the case and give itself credit for whatever 'is'.. being what it is... by it's (sentience's) workings. makes beings feel needed and wanted and successful. poor souls. a non starter no game. > > > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > > > > > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are not speaking about 'organisms. > > > > > > > > not physical or psychological.. > > > > > > > > singularly or in groups.. > > > > > > > > we are speaking of a 'mechanism'. > > > > > > > > i'm reminded of Hofstadter's toilet water level mechanism and > > > > > > > > thermostatic regulation. > > > > > > > > the thermostat seems to seek a level of temperature, > > > > > > > > the toilet seems to seek a water level, > > > > > > > > and both 'things or system's' appear to have the earmarks of > > conscious > > > > > > > > will. > > > > > > > > they both 'react' to disturbances in equilibrium and to 'choose' to > > > > > > > > correct them. > > > > > > > > they are not sentient. > > > > > > > > they do not seek to survive. > > > > > > > > they do not seek to reproduce. > > > > > > > > that's just the phantoms imagination running wild..as usual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They " seek " to survive in the same way that a tree " seeks " the > > > light......or a salmon " seeks " the headwaters of its home. > > > > > > > > > > that's my very point..and Doug's as well. > > > > mosquitos and ants do as well at the seeming 'will to survive' and > > > > 'will to reproduce'. > > We are splitting definitional hairs. we are no doubt doing just that. > > they are in the same league as the toilet regulator and thermostat. > > > > (even though here we do have 'organisms'). > > > > it's just pattern reproduction..not survival at all. > > > > they have no idea nor 'instinct' on this surviving stuff. > > > > Long Live Surviving Toilets and Thermostats... > > > > as long as they Must. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what this means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving?? > > > > > > > > if your talking about it..it survives. > > > > > > > > survival just means 'going on'... not 'dying'. > > > > > > > > what is it that is not of this nature? > > > > > > > > temporal and corporeal limitations do not apply in Reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > > > > > another form. > > > > > > > > > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, a few may disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consensus has never been an indication of truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true..the world is at peace, the pope's a buddhist, george bush is > > smart... > > > > i'm beginning to see that this consensus thing is full of crap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does a caterpillar change into a butterfly? > > > > > > > > > > only if it spends some time in it's own spun cocoon. > > > > you should know this well. > > > > The caterpillar does not change. > > The concept " caterpillar " changes into the concept " butterfly " . > > The " problem " is in the naming. the name is the game. are you the same 'thing' as you were when you wrote the above? you want to believe that you are. you are not. the changes, though more subtle than the metamorphosis of the caterpillar, are just as valid. the 'you' that wrote the above is not the same 'you' that are reading this reply. not even physically. through change comes no change..they are in Truth synonymous. > > > Does a log change into fire? > > > > > > only if it's struck by lightening or touched by some ignition source, > > such as a match held by a creature wanting warmth or wanting to fry > > their deceased relative before the carcass started to smell too much. > > > > > > > Does three change into four? > > > > > > no..three remains three and four remains four. > > > > at least that's what i was taught in 3rd or 4th grade math. > > > > What is three? not four. > What is four. not three. > Is there such a thing as three? no..and it's not the same not thing as four. both are not things that are nothing. that's the thing about things. one, two, three or four... not a one comes through floor or door.... > > > > most 21rst century mathematicians and physicists would disagree. > > > > > > > > most of the writers of that old claptrap found in sutras and > > scripture > > > > > > > > would as well. > > > > > > > > i don't take a stand. > > > > > > > > where is there to stand and upon what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By stating that you do not take a stand...... > > > you just took a stand. > > > > > > > > that's just bullshit. and..........there's another stand. > > :-0 that's your belief. you know what is said about beliefs. > > you just don't understand my non understanding. > > > > it's Marvelous! > > > > be my guest...take a stand! > > > > believe me. > > > > > > > > I believe you. > > > You're just having a little trouble articulating what you know. what i know cannot be spoken let alone articulated. pity it is for the world too. > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There.........you just took another. > > > > > > > > Truth is so far removed from 'stand-taking' that i am at a loss as to > > why you seem to think this is the case. > > > > You say that you don't take a stand.......I say that you are a stand. and you are wrong simply put. > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > HERE is a mistake! > > > > > > > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > > > > > separated and given a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i've heard it called 'unstuff' before. > > > > > > > > being unborn myself...i have no idea. > > > > > > > > ideas are for the bewildered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believing that you have no idea.......is another idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just your stand on beliefs. > > > > there will come a time when you do not need these props and positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baba needs not the needs of mortal men. > > > > > > > > and i still do not understand. > > > > > > > > i cut myself up. > > > > > > > > laughing at the non-destruction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and > > keep a > > > > > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks..i'll add that to my collection of shoe box shadows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly > > about > > > > > " This " . > > > > > > > > > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part > > unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an > > attempt to > > > > > share our personal experiences. > > > > > > > > > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface where the > > > > > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced > > us.....and as > > > > > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the surface........for a > > > > > moment........we became each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do I put that into words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh i dunno..have you tried a Harlequin Romance writer? now there's > > > > someone who would most certainly be up to the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well...................I guess you had to not be there..... > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > thank my lucky stars. > > > > My view anyway. > > > > heeeeeeee. > > > > but true..baba is never anywhere but everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #1 or #2? > > > > > > > > ok...i'll go see the hummingbird while you 'go'. > > > > > > > > good luck! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe in luck? > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > does luck believe in me? > > > > no i don't believe in luck. > > > > but even bobji believes in poop and pee. > > > > did you go? > > > > what a hummingbird you missed. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > :-) > > > > t. > ..b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > > > > > self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > > > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive > > > elecrto-chemical > > > > > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a > > > whole new > > > > > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stimuli. > > > > > > > > > what stimuli? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation. > > > why react to that? > > > Why blink at a fast approaching fist? > > > > > > > > The dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no dream. > > > > > > > > > > that's just a somatic drift believing more nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of WWWW? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking is too slow for the baba. > > > > > > he knows without taking the long way around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that. > > > > > > if you could see that... > > you wouldn't have asked the wikipey question. > > I can see that he believes that what he calls thinking is too slow for what he believes is his self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is what life does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then you are just defining one thing with another and believing that > > > you have on to something. > > > > > > if the equation is Life is surviving.. > > > > > > it should also be that surviving is Life. > > > > > > > > Swimming is not fish. > > > > > > Running is not dog. > > > > > wait a minute...my dog's name is Running. > > i had a golfish named Swimming. > > to me a dog named Running IS a dog.. > > and a fish named Swimming IS a fish. > > My point of view anyway. > > Q.E.D. > > Elusive......and not cognet. > > > > > > stones survive quite well without the Life factor. > > > > > > equation fails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is sentience the seeks survival..........is survival > > > i accept that...it's the thing about mechanisms..reactive or > otherwise..'seeking' survival...that i can't come to grips with. > yet..survive they do. it would seem that 'seeking' survival is not key > to the game. that's just sentience trying to state the case and give > itself credit for whatever 'is'.. being what it is... by it's > (sentience's) workings. makes beings feel needed and wanted and > successful. Ok....I can see that. An organism IS the seeking. > > > poor souls. > > > a non starter no game. > > > > > All organisms.....physical and psychological......individual and > > > > > > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are not speaking about 'organisms. > > > > > > > > > > not physical or psychological.. > > > > > > > > > > singularly or in groups.. > > > > > > > > > > we are speaking of a 'mechanism'. > > > > > > > > > > i'm reminded of Hofstadter's toilet water level mechanism and > > > > > > > > > > thermostatic regulation. > > > > > > > > > > the thermostat seems to seek a level of temperature, > > > > > > > > > > the toilet seems to seek a water level, > > > > > > > > > > and both 'things or system's' appear to have the earmarks of > > > conscious > > > > > > > > > > will. > > > > > > > > > > they both 'react' to disturbances in equilibrium and to > 'choose' to > > > > > > > > > > correct them. > > > > > > > > > > they are not sentient. > > > > > > > > > > they do not seek to survive. > > > > > > > > > > they do not seek to reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > that's just the phantoms imagination running wild..as usual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They " seek " to survive in the same way that a tree " seeks " the > > > > light......or a salmon " seeks " the headwaters of its home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's my very point..and Doug's as well. > > > > > > mosquitos and ants do as well at the seeming 'will to survive' and > > > > > > 'will to reproduce'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are splitting definitional hairs. > > > > > > we are no doubt doing just that. > > > ........and I don't have that many left. > > > > > they are in the same league as the toilet regulator and thermostat. > > > > > > (even though here we do have 'organisms'). > > > > > > it's just pattern reproduction..not survival at all. > > > > > > they have no idea nor 'instinct' on this surviving stuff. > > > > > > Long Live Surviving Toilets and Thermostats... > > > > > > as long as they Must. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what this means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving?? > > > > > > > > > > if your talking about it..it survives. > > > > > > > > > > survival just means 'going on'... not 'dying'. > > > > > > > > > > what is it that is not of this nature? > > > > > > > > > > temporal and corporeal limitations do not apply in Reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that changes into > > > > > > another form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, a few may disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consensus has never been an indication of truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true..the world is at peace, the pope's a buddhist, george bush is > > > smart... > > > > > > i'm beginning to see that this consensus thing is full of crap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does a caterpillar change into a butterfly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if it spends some time in it's own spun cocoon. > > > > > > you should know this well. > > > > > > > > The caterpillar does not change. > > > > The concept " caterpillar " changes into the concept " butterfly " . > > > > The " problem " is in the naming. > > > the name is the game. > > are you the same 'thing' as you were when you wrote the above? > > you want to believe that you are. > > you are not. I see " my " self as a scintillating phantasmagricum. I am like the Nothern Lights.......and so are " you " . > > the changes, though more subtle than the metamorphosis of the > caterpillar, are just as valid. The caterpiller......by definition......can only and always be a caterpiller. It does not change into a butterfly. That's the trouble with names......They attempt to freeze the unfreezable. > > the 'you' that wrote the above is not the same 'you' that are reading > this reply. > > not even physically. > > through change comes no change..they are in Truth synonymous. > > > There is no such thing as synonymous. No two concepts mean exactly the same thing. > > > > > > Does a log change into fire? > > > > > > > > > only if it's struck by lightening or touched by some ignition source, > > > such as a match held by a creature wanting warmth or wanting to fry > > > their deceased relative before the carcass started to smell too much. > > > > > > > > > > Does three change into four? > > > > > > > > > no..three remains three and four remains four. > > > > > > at least that's what i was taught in 3rd or 4th grade math. > > > > > > > > What is three? > > > not four. > > > > > What is four. > > > > not three. > > > > > Is there such a thing as three? > > > > > > no..and it's not the same not thing as four. > > both are not things that are nothing. > > that's the thing about things. > > one, two, three or four... > > not a one comes through floor or door.... > > > I like that. Dr. Zeuseanism. > > > > > > > most 21rst century mathematicians and physicists would disagree. > > > > > > > > > > most of the writers of that old claptrap found in sutras and > > > scripture > > > > > > > > > > would as well. > > > > > > > > > > i don't take a stand. > > > > > > > > > > where is there to stand and upon what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By stating that you do not take a stand...... > > > > you just took a stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and..........there's another stand. > > > > :-0 > > > that's your belief. > > you know what is said about beliefs. > > > > > you just don't understand my non understanding. > > > > > > it's Marvelous! > > > > > > be my guest...take a stand! > > > > > > believe me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe you. > > > > > > You're just having a little trouble articulating what you know. > > > > what i know cannot be spoken let alone articulated. > > pity it is for the world too. > > Hey...........whahayagonnado? > > > > > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There.........you just took another. > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is so far removed from 'stand-taking' that i am at a loss as to > > > why you seem to think this is the case. > > > > > > > > You say that you don't take a stand.......I say that you are a stand. > > > > and you are wrong simply put. Well.........that's my stand.......and I'm s s s s sticken to it. > > > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > > > > HERE is a mistake! > > > > > > So.........you can be mistaken? > > > > > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > > > > > > separated and given a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i've heard it called 'unstuff' before. > > > > > > > > > > being unborn myself...i have no idea. > > > > > > > > > > ideas are for the bewildered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believing that you have no idea.......is another idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just your stand on beliefs. > > > > > > there will come a time when you do not need these props and positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baba needs not the needs of mortal men. > > > > > > > > > > and i still do not understand. > > > > > > > > > > i cut myself up. > > > > > > > > > > laughing at the non-destruction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and > > > keep a > > > > > > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks..i'll add that to my collection of shoe box shadows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked quietly > > > about > > > > > > " This " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part > > > unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > > > > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an > > > attempt to > > > > > > share our personal experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface > where the > > > > > > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced > > > us.....and as > > > > > > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the > surface........for a > > > > > > moment........we became each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do I put that into words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh i dunno..have you tried a Harlequin Romance writer? now there's > > > > > someone who would most certainly be up to the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well...................I guess you had to not be there..... > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank my lucky stars. > > > > > > My view anyway. > > > > > > heeeeeeee. > > > > > > but true..baba is never anywhere but everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #1 or #2? > > > > > > > > > > ok...i'll go see the hummingbird while you 'go'. > > > > > > > > > > good luck! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe in luck? > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > does luck believe in me? > > > > > > no i don't believe in luck. > > > > > > but even bobji believes in poop and pee. > > > > > > did you go? > > > > > > what a hummingbird you missed. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > .b > All I know is one of us is stuck in a cold Northern clime....with a bunch of people that have a funny accent......and the other lives in a town that is seventy two degrees all year long. toombaru :-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 >GO TO BOTTOM< V V V V Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > > > > > > self...ego....identification....whatever name > > > > > > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive > > > > elecrto-chemical > > > > > > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a > > > > whole new > > > > > > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stimuli. > > > > > > > > > > > > what stimuli? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation. > > > > > > why react to that? > > > > > > > > > Why blink at a fast approaching fist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just a somatic drift believing more nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of WWWW? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking is too slow for the baba. > > > > > > > > he knows without taking the long way around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you could see that... > > > > you wouldn't have asked the wikipey question. > > > > > > > > I can see that he believes that what he calls thinking is too slow for > what he believes is his self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is what life does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then you are just defining one thing with another and believing that > > > > you have on to something. > > > > > > > > if the equation is Life is surviving.. > > > > > > > > it should also be that surviving is Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swimming is not fish. > > > > > > > > > Running is not dog. > > > > > > > > > > wait a minute...my dog's name is Running. > > > > i had a golfish named Swimming. > > > > to me a dog named Running IS a dog.. > > > > and a fish named Swimming IS a fish. > > > > My point of view anyway. > > > > Q.E.D. > > > > > > > > > Elusive......and not cognet. > > > > > > > > > > stones survive quite well without the Life factor. > > > > > > > > equation fails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is sentience the seeks survival..........is survival > > > > > > i accept that...it's the thing about mechanisms..reactive or > > otherwise..'seeking' survival...that i can't come to grips with. > > yet..survive they do. it would seem that 'seeking' survival is not key > > to the game. that's just sentience trying to state the case and give > > itself credit for whatever 'is'.. being what it is... by it's > > (sentience's) workings. makes beings feel needed and wanted and > > successful. > > > > > Ok....I can see that. > > An organism IS the seeking. > > > > > poor souls. > > > > > > a non starter no game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All organisms.....physical and > psychological......individual and > > > > > > > group....... are programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are not speaking about 'organisms. > > > > > > > > > > > > not physical or psychological.. > > > > > > > > > > > > singularly or in groups.. > > > > > > > > > > > > we are speaking of a 'mechanism'. > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm reminded of Hofstadter's toilet water level mechanism and > > > > > > > > > > > > thermostatic regulation. > > > > > > > > > > > > the thermostat seems to seek a level of temperature, > > > > > > > > > > > > the toilet seems to seek a water level, > > > > > > > > > > > > and both 'things or system's' appear to have the earmarks of > > > > conscious > > > > > > > > > > > > will. > > > > > > > > > > > > they both 'react' to disturbances in equilibrium and to > > 'choose' to > > > > > > > > > > > > correct them. > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not sentient. > > > > > > > > > > > > they do not seek to survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > they do not seek to reproduce. > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just the phantoms imagination running wild..as usual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They " seek " to survive in the same way that a tree " seeks " the > > > > > light......or a salmon " seeks " the headwaters of its home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's my very point..and Doug's as well. > > > > > > > > mosquitos and ants do as well at the seeming 'will to survive' and > > > > > > > > 'will to reproduce'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are splitting definitional hairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > we are no doubt doing just that. > > > > > > > > .......and I don't have that many left. > > > > > > > they are in the same league as the toilet regulator and thermostat. > > > > > > > > (even though here we do have 'organisms'). > > > > > > > > it's just pattern reproduction..not survival at all. > > > > > > > > they have no idea nor 'instinct' on this surviving stuff. > > > > > > > > Long Live Surviving Toilets and Thermostats... > > > > > > > > as long as they Must. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what this means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not surviving?? > > > > > > > > > > > > if your talking about it..it survives. > > > > > > > > > > > > survival just means 'going on'... not 'dying'. > > > > > > > > > > > > what is it that is not of this nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > temporal and corporeal limitations do not apply in Reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing channges.....There is no isolated form that > changes into > > > > > > > another form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Energy and form are not spearated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There appears to be this unified flowingness......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, a few may disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consensus has never been an indication of truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true..the world is at peace, the pope's a buddhist, george bush is > > > > smart... > > > > > > > > i'm beginning to see that this consensus thing is full of crap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does a caterpillar change into a butterfly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if it spends some time in it's own spun cocoon. > > > > > > > > you should know this well. > > > > > > > > > > > > The caterpillar does not change. > > > > > > The concept " caterpillar " changes into the concept " butterfly " . > > > > > > The " problem " is in the naming. > > > > > > the name is the game. > > > > are you the same 'thing' as you were when you wrote the above? > > > > you want to believe that you are. > > > > you are not. > > > > > I see " my " self as a scintillating phantasmagricum. > > > I am like the Nothern Lights.......and so are " you " . > > > > > > > > > the changes, though more subtle than the metamorphosis of the > > caterpillar, are just as valid. > > > The caterpiller......by definition......can only and always be a > caterpiller. > > It does not change into a butterfly. > > That's the trouble with names......They attempt to freeze the unfreezable. > > > > > > > > > the 'you' that wrote the above is not the same 'you' that are reading > > this reply. > > > > not even physically. > > > > through change comes no change..they are in Truth synonymous. > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as synonymous. > > No two concepts mean exactly the same thing. > > > > > > > > > Does a log change into fire? > > > > > > > > > > > > only if it's struck by lightening or touched by some ignition > source, > > > > such as a match held by a creature wanting warmth or wanting to fry > > > > their deceased relative before the carcass started to smell too > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does three change into four? > > > > > > > > > > > > no..three remains three and four remains four. > > > > > > > > at least that's what i was taught in 3rd or 4th grade math. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is three? > > > > > > not four. > > > > > > > > > What is four. > > > > > > > > not three. > > > > > > > > > Is there such a thing as three? > > > > > > > > > > > > no..and it's not the same not thing as four. > > > > both are not things that are nothing. > > > > that's the thing about things. > > > > one, two, three or four... > > > > not a one comes through floor or door.... > > > > > > > > > > > I like that. > > Dr. Zeuseanism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most 21rst century mathematicians and physicists would disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > most of the writers of that old claptrap found in sutras and > > > > scripture > > > > > > > > > > > > would as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't take a stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > where is there to stand and upon what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By stating that you do not take a stand...... > > > > > you just took a stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and..........there's another stand. > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > that's your belief. > > > > you know what is said about beliefs. > > > > > > > > you just don't understand my non understanding. > > > > > > > > it's Marvelous! > > > > > > > > be my guest...take a stand! > > > > > > > > believe me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe you. > > > > > > > > > You're just having a little trouble articulating what you know. > > > > > > > > what i know cannot be spoken let alone articulated. > > > > pity it is for the world too. > > > > > > > > > Hey...........whahayagonnado? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor > survives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There.........you just took another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is so far removed from 'stand-taking' that i am at a loss > as to > > > > why you seem to think this is the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > You say that you don't take a stand.......I say that you are a stand. > > > > > > > > and you are wrong simply put. > > > > > Well.........that's my stand.......and I'm s s s s sticken to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > > > > > > > HERE is a mistake! > > > > > > > > > > So.........you can be mistaken? > > > > > > > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the origin if all its......before they are conceptually > > > > > > > separated and given a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i've heard it called 'unstuff' before. > > > > > > > > > > > > being unborn myself...i have no idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > ideas are for the bewildered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believing that you have no idea.......is another idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just your stand on beliefs. > > > > > > > > there will come a time when you do not need these props and > positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baba needs not the needs of mortal men. > > > > > > > > > > > > and i still do not understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > i cut myself up. > > > > > > > > > > > > laughing at the non-destruction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh..........I also try to capture hummingbirds in my mouth and > > > > keep a > > > > > > > collection of shadows in a shoe box. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks..i'll add that to my collection of shoe box shadows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last week.......Bill and I sat across a table and talked > quietly > > > > about > > > > > > > " This " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our attempt to share out insights were for the most part > > > > unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We were essentially using our individual memory banks in an > > > > attempt to > > > > > > > share our personal experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something unspeakable happened........below the surface > > where the > > > > > > > words were skipping.......a deep and cool quiet embraced > > > > us.....and as > > > > > > > the thoughts bubbled up.........and broke the > > surface........for a > > > > > > > moment........we became each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do I put that into words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh i dunno..have you tried a Harlequin Romance writer? now > there's > > > > > > someone who would most certainly be up to the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well...................I guess you had to not be there..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank my lucky stars. > > > > > > > > My view anyway. > > > > > > > > heeeeeeee. > > > > > > > > but true..baba is never anywhere but everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh...............there goes a hummmingird..........I gotta go! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #1 or #2? > > > > > > > > > > > > ok...i'll go see the hummingbird while you 'go'. > > > > > > > > > > > > good luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe in luck? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > does luck believe in me? > > > > > > > > no i don't believe in luck. > > > > > > > > but even bobji believes in poop and pee. > > > > > > > > did you go? > > > > > > > > what a hummingbird you missed. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > All I know is one of us is stuck in a cold Northern clime....with a > bunch of people that have a funny accent......and the other lives in a > town that is seventy two degrees all year long. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > :-0 yes. .b b.b. p.s. funny accent? 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Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 > > All I know is one of us is stuck in a cold Northern clime....with a > > bunch of people that have a funny accent......and the other lives in a > > town that is seventy two degrees all year long. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 yes. > > > .b b.b. > > p.s. > > funny accent? > ....and one of us is stuck in a climate, where if you stick around long enough (5 minutes is enough) the whole thing is subject to change. In the manner and matter of changing climates, that is;-) No matter where " You " are, I feel warm and fuzzy enough to get into my caterpillar costume;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the self...ego....identification....whatever > > name > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto- chemical > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole new > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest form. > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Someone pass on the salt and pepper please? > > > Oh! > > Oh my Lord! > > you have been so caustic i can hardly stand! > > what a magnificent reply! > > sky..grow the fuck up and get a life you friggin' loser. > > and quit eating your unsalted and unseasoned shitcakes when you attend > to the baba's golden words of wisdom. > > granted that won't help you to understand that which you do not > understand. > > that's too big a chore for anyone or anything. > > but it will be less embarrassing for you. > > writing replies like the above makes you look more foolish than you are. > > well..maybe not! > > now you've had a few replies from bobji. > > i know this is what you seek.. > > it turns our little boy on! > > now you can go to your crib and do nasty things with yourself. > > baba won't tell...but watch out for your mommy! > > .b bobji baba > How stupid do you have to be to understand that so much attention is flattering, master of turds? Smell and Be Happy Ltlle Bbrt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > self...ego....identification....whatever > > > name > > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto- > chemical > > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole > new > > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest > form. > > > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Someone pass on the salt and pepper please? > > > > > > Oh! > > > > Oh my Lord! > > > > you have been so caustic i can hardly stand! > > > > what a magnificent reply! > > > > sky..grow the fuck up and get a life you friggin' loser. > > > > and quit eating your unsalted and unseasoned shitcakes when you > attend > > to the baba's golden words of wisdom. > > > > granted that won't help you to understand that which you do not > > understand. > > > > that's too big a chore for anyone or anything. > > > > but it will be less embarrassing for you. > > > > writing replies like the above makes you look more foolish than you > are. > > > > well..maybe not! > > > > now you've had a few replies from bobji. > > > > i know this is what you seek.. > > > > it turns our little boy on! > > > > now you can go to your crib and do nasty things with yourself. > > > > baba won't tell...but watch out for your mommy! > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > How stupid do you have to be to understand that so much attention is > flattering, master of turds? > > Smell and Be Happy Ltlle Bbrt. > Wink. (from Roy Whenary @ openawareness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > > > > All I know is one of us is stuck in a cold Northern clime....with a > > > bunch of people that have a funny accent......and the other lives in a > > > town that is seventy two degrees all year long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > p.s. > > > > funny accent? > > > > > > ...and one of us is stuck in a climate, where if you stick around long > enough (5 minutes is enough) the whole thing is subject to change. > > In the manner and matter of changing climates, that is;-) > > No matter where " You " are, I feel warm and fuzzy enough to get into my > caterpillar costume;-) thank you so much but i don't need it. and i don't want to look at that either. :-O) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is seen that the > self...ego....identification....whatever > > > name > > > > > it is given.... is nothing other than a reactive elecrto- > chemical > > > > > survival response mechanim.....the curtains open onto a whole > new > > > > > freshness of unnamed reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the electro-chemical response mechanism reacting to? > > > > > > > > what is 'it' trying to survive for? > > > > > > > > what is not surviving from the first. > > > > > > > > like energy..whatever 'it' is....'it' only changes manifest > form. > > > > > > > > before and after that is THAT which neither dies nor survives. > > > > > > > > but your right too. > > > > > > > > i just don't know what 'it' is you are talking about here. > > > > > > > > i don't understand. > > > > > > > > i don't understand anything. > > > > > > > > it's good that you seem to. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Someone pass on the salt and pepper please? > > > > > > Oh! > > > > Oh my Lord! > > > > you have been so caustic i can hardly stand! > > > > what a magnificent reply! > > > > sky..grow the fuck up and get a life you friggin' loser. > > > > and quit eating your unsalted and unseasoned shitcakes when you > attend > > to the baba's golden words of wisdom. > > > > granted that won't help you to understand that which you do not > > understand. > > > > that's too big a chore for anyone or anything. > > > > but it will be less embarrassing for you. > > > > writing replies like the above makes you look more foolish than you > are. > > > > well..maybe not! > > > > now you've had a few replies from bobji. > > > > i know this is what you seek.. > > > > it turns our little boy on! > > > > now you can go to your crib and do nasty things with yourself. > > > > baba won't tell...but watch out for your mommy! > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > How stupid do you have to be to understand that so much attention is > flattering, master of turds? > > Smell and Be Happy Ltlle Bbrt. you're dumb. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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