Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Dear Ones,Today is Independence Day in the USA. Cause for celebration, fireworks andparades. As with all holidays, including birthdays and Memorial Day, includingreligious "holy day" observances, we come together to honour a time in our personal and collective history.Who hasn't felt liberated from something sometime? Why is it that it's not anongoing experience?It can be. It surely must be. We've already lived that experience once, so logicallywe sense what that means, we just don't know how to re-create it. Therein lies thesecret: what is it that we re-create? Is it joy and harmony, is it fear and loathing?Do we really understand a simple concept? Choice?????After all the divisions of land into countries and all the told and untold historiesof wars for their independence, after all the divisions amoung human beings, andour spoken and unspoken histories, the one thing that unites us all is the land onwhich we live.Mother Earth. And the choice is how much longer will we be content to live with all thesedivisions? How much longer will the earth sustain a race of human beings whocreate division day after day year after year, history after history. We diminishall of humanity and ourselves the moment we diminish even one of our brothersand sisters. We re-create hell on earth or we co-create a New Jerusalem, a Promised Land.Every moment offers a decision: will we create suffering or will we work togetherto end suffering? It's that simple.It comes down to this one moment: What will YOU choose?Peace,Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Dear Ones, > > Today is Independence Day in the USA. Cause for celebration, fireworks > and > parades. As with all holidays, including birthdays and Memorial Day, > including > religious " holy day " observances, we come together to honour a time in > our > personal and collective history. > > Who hasn't felt liberated from something sometime? Why is it that it's > not an > ongoing experience? > > It can be. It surely must be. We've already lived that experience > once, so logically > we sense what that means, we just don't know how to re-create it. > Therein lies the > secret: what is it that we re-create? Is it joy and harmony, is it > fear and loathing? > Do we really understand a simple concept? Choice????? > > After all the divisions of land into countries and all the told and > untold histories > of wars for their independence, after all the divisions amoung human > beings, and > our spoken and unspoken histories, the one thing that unites us all is > the land on > which we live. > > Mother Earth. > > And the choice is how much longer will we be content to live with all > these > divisions? How much longer will the earth sustain a race of human > beings who > create division day after day year after year, history after history. We > diminish > all of humanity and ourselves the moment we diminish even one of our > brothers > and sisters. We re-create hell on earth or we co-create a New > Jerusalem, a > Promised Land. > > Every moment offers a decision: will we create suffering or will we > work together > to end suffering? It's that simple. > > It comes down to this one moment: What will YOU choose? > > Peace, > Anna there is no choice. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ones, > > > > Today is Independence Day in the USA. Cause for celebration, fireworks > > and > > parades. As with all holidays, including birthdays and Memorial Day, > > including > > religious " holy day " observances, we come together to honour a time in > > our > > personal and collective history. > > > > Who hasn't felt liberated from something sometime? Why is it that it's > > not an > > ongoing experience? > > > > It can be. It surely must be. We've already lived that experience > > once, so logically > > we sense what that means, we just don't know how to re-create it. > > Therein lies the > > secret: what is it that we re-create? Is it joy and harmony, is it > > fear and loathing? > > Do we really understand a simple concept? Choice????? > > > > After all the divisions of land into countries and all the told and > > untold histories > > of wars for their independence, after all the divisions amoung human > > beings, and > > our spoken and unspoken histories, the one thing that unites us all is > > the land on > > which we live. > > > > Mother Earth. > > > > And the choice is how much longer will we be content to live with all > > these > > divisions? How much longer will the earth sustain a race of human > > beings who > > create division day after day year after year, history after history. We > > diminish > > all of humanity and ourselves the moment we diminish even one of our > > brothers > > and sisters. We re-create hell on earth or we co-create a New > > Jerusalem, a > > Promised Land. > > > > Every moment offers a decision: will we create suffering or will we > > work together > > to end suffering? It's that simple. > > > > It comes down to this one moment: What will YOU choose? > > > > Peace, > > Anna > > there is no choice. > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Dear Ones, > > Today is Independence Day in the USA. Cause for celebration, fireworks > and > parades. As with all holidays, including birthdays and Memorial Day, > including > religious " holy day " observances, we come together to honour a time in > our > personal and collective history. > > Who hasn't felt liberated from something sometime? Why is it that it's > not an > ongoing experience? > > It can be. It surely must be. We've already lived that experience > once, so logically > we sense what that means, we just don't know how to re-create it. > Therein lies the > secret: what is it that we re-create? Is it joy and harmony, is it > fear and loathing? > Do we really understand a simple concept? Choice????? > > After all the divisions of land into countries and all the told and > untold histories > of wars for their independence, after all the divisions amoung human > beings, and > our spoken and unspoken histories, the one thing that unites us all is > the land on > which we live. > > Mother Earth. > > And the choice is how much longer will we be content to live with all > these > divisions? How much longer will the earth sustain a race of human > beings who > create division day after day year after year, history after history. We > diminish > all of humanity and ourselves the moment we diminish even one of our > brothers > and sisters. We re-create hell on earth or we co-create a New > Jerusalem, a > Promised Land. > > Every moment offers a decision: will we create suffering or will we > work together > to end suffering? It's that simple. > > It comes down to this one moment: What will YOU choose? > > Peace, > Anna you could choose.....one day.... to realy get " independent " from whatever nice fictions.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ones, > > > > Today is Independence Day in the USA. Cause for celebration, > fireworks > > and > > parades. As with all holidays, including birthdays and Memorial > Day, > > including > > religious " holy day " observances, we come together to honour a time > in > > our > > personal and collective history. > > M> > Who hasn't felt liberated from something sometime? Why is it that > it's > > not an > > ongoing experience? > > > > It can be. It surely must be. We've already lived that experience > > once, so logically > > we sense what that means, we just don't know how to re-create it. > > Therein lies the > > secret: what is it that we re-create? Is it joy and harmony, is it > > fear and loathing? > > Do we really understand a simple concept? Choice????? > > > > After all the divisions of land into countries and all the told and > > untold histories > > of wars for their independence, after all the divisions amoung human > > beings, and > > our spoken and unspoken histories, the one thing that unites us all > is > > the land on > > which we live. > > > > Mother Earth. > > > > And the choice is how much longer will we be content to live with > all > > these > > divisions? How much longer will the earth sustain a race of human > > beings who > > create division day after day year after year, history after > history. We > > diminish > > all of humanity and ourselves the moment we diminish even one of our > > brothers > > and sisters. We re-create hell on earth or we co-create a New > > Jerusalem, a > > Promised Land. > > > > Every moment offers a decision: will we create suffering or will we > > work together > > to end suffering? It's that simple. > > > > It comes down to this one moment: What will YOU choose? > > > > Peace, > > Anna > > > you could choose.....one day.... > > to realy get " independent " from whatever nice fictions.... > > Marc > > > Marc, true independence means facing reality with a capital R. All the rest is bullshit, all the rest are the steps to revealing the bullshit that is not the reality. Take it for what it's worth. Or not. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ones, > > > > > > Today is Independence Day in the USA. Cause for celebration, > > fireworks > > > and > > > parades. As with all holidays, including birthdays and Memorial > > Day, > > > including > > > religious " holy day " observances, we come together to honour a time > > in > > > our > > > personal and collective history. > > > > M> > Who hasn't felt liberated from something sometime? Why is it that > > it's > > > not an > > > ongoing experience? > > > > > > It can be. It surely must be. We've already lived that experience > > > once, so logically > > > we sense what that means, we just don't know how to re-create it. > > > Therein lies the > > > secret: what is it that we re-create? Is it joy and harmony, is it > > > fear and loathing? > > > Do we really understand a simple concept? Choice????? > > > > > > After all the divisions of land into countries and all the told and > > > untold histories > > > of wars for their independence, after all the divisions amoung human > > > beings, and > > > our spoken and unspoken histories, the one thing that unites us all > > is > > > the land on > > > which we live. > > > > > > Mother Earth. > > > > > > And the choice is how much longer will we be content to live with > > all > > > these > > > divisions? How much longer will the earth sustain a race of human > > > beings who > > > create division day after day year after year, history after > > history. We > > > diminish > > > all of humanity and ourselves the moment we diminish even one of our > > > brothers > > > and sisters. We re-create hell on earth or we co-create a New > > > Jerusalem, a > > > Promised Land. > > > > > > Every moment offers a decision: will we create suffering or will we > > > work together > > > to end suffering? It's that simple. > > > > > > It comes down to this one moment: What will YOU choose? > > > > > > Peace, > > > Anna > > > > > > you could choose.....one day.... > > > > to realy get " independent " from whatever nice fictions.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Marc, true independence means facing reality with a capital R. > All the rest is bullshit, all the rest are the steps to revealing > the bullshit that is not the reality. > > Take it for what it's worth. Or not. > > ;-) go on....to save the world...... means yourself.... due to Karma..... no choice about.... anyway Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ones, > > > > > > > > Today is Independence Day in the USA. Cause for celebration, > > > fireworks > > > > and > > > > parades. As with all holidays, including birthdays and > Memorial > > > Day, > > > > including > > > > religious " holy day " observances, we come together to honour a > time > > > in > > > > our > > > > personal and collective history. > > > > > > M> > Who hasn't felt liberated from something sometime? Why is it > that > > > it's > > > > not an > > > > ongoing experience? > > > > > > > > It can be. It surely must be. We've already lived that > experience > > > > once, so logically > > > > we sense what that means, we just don't know how to re-create > it. > > > > Therein lies the > > > > secret: what is it that we re-create? Is it joy and harmony, > is it > > > > fear and loathing? > > > > Do we really understand a simple concept? Choice????? > > > > > > > > After all the divisions of land into countries and all the told > and > > > > untold histories > > > > of wars for their independence, after all the divisions amoung > human > > > > beings, and > > > > our spoken and unspoken histories, the one thing that unites us > all > > > is > > > > the land on > > > > which we live. > > > > > > > > Mother Earth. > > > > > > > > And the choice is how much longer will we be content to live > with > > > all > > > > these > > > > divisions? How much longer will the earth sustain a race of > human > > > > beings who > > > > create division day after day year after year, history after > > > history. We > > > > diminish > > > > all of humanity and ourselves the moment we diminish even one > of our > > > > brothers > > > > and sisters. We re-create hell on earth or we co-create a New > > > > Jerusalem, a > > > > Promised Land. > > > > > > > > Every moment offers a decision: will we create suffering or > will we > > > > work together > > > > to end suffering? It's that simple. > > > > > > > > It comes down to this one moment: What will YOU choose? > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > you could choose.....one day.... > > > > > > to realy get " independent " from whatever nice fictions.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, true independence means facing reality with a capital R. > > All the rest is bullshit, all the rest are the steps to revealing > > the bullshit that is not the reality. > > > > Take it for what it's worth. Or not. > > > > ;-) > > > go on....to save the world...... > > means yourself.... > > due to Karma..... > > no choice about.... > > anyway > > > Marc > Methinks nonduality needs to be spoken here... The choiceless choice only exists in the moment we are choosing what reality we decide to create. Some of us never quite get so far along the Tao. Some of us never quite now where we are; and if we don't know where we are, how will we know where we're going? Just some liberating questions. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ones, > > > > > > > > > Today is Independence Day in the USA. Cause for > celebration, > > > > fireworks > > > > > and > > > > > parades. As with all holidays, including birthdays and > > Memorial > > > > Day, > > > > > including > > > > > religious " holy day " observances, we come together to honour a > > time > > > > in > > > > > our > > > > > personal and collective history. > > > > > > > > M> > Who hasn't felt liberated from something sometime? Why is it > > that > > > > it's > > > > > not an > > > > > ongoing experience? > > > > > > > > > > It can be. It surely must be. We've already lived that > > experience > > > > > once, so logically > > > > > we sense what that means, we just don't know how to re- create > > it. > > > > > Therein lies the > > > > > secret: what is it that we re-create? Is it joy and harmony, > > is it > > > > > fear and loathing? > > > > > Do we really understand a simple concept? Choice????? > > > > > > > > > > After all the divisions of land into countries and all the told > > and > > > > > untold histories > > > > > of wars for their independence, after all the divisions amoung > > human > > > > > beings, and > > > > > our spoken and unspoken histories, the one thing that unites us > > all > > > > is > > > > > the land on > > > > > which we live. > > > > > > > > > > Mother Earth. > > > > > > > > > > And the choice is how much longer will we be content to live > > with > > > > all > > > > > these > > > > > divisions? How much longer will the earth sustain a race of > > human > > > > > beings who > > > > > create division day after day year after year, history after > > > > history. We > > > > > diminish > > > > > all of humanity and ourselves the moment we diminish even one > > of our > > > > > brothers > > > > > and sisters. We re-create hell on earth or we co-create a New > > > > > Jerusalem, a > > > > > Promised Land. > > > > > > > > > > Every moment offers a decision: will we create suffering or > > will we > > > > > work together > > > > > to end suffering? It's that simple. > > > > > > > > > > It comes down to this one moment: What will YOU choose? > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > you could choose.....one day.... > > > > > > > > to realy get " independent " from whatever nice fictions.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, true independence means facing reality with a capital R. > > > All the rest is bullshit, all the rest are the steps to revealing > > > the bullshit that is not the reality. > > > > > > Take it for what it's worth. Or not. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > go on....to save the world...... > > > > means yourself.... > > > > due to Karma..... > > > > no choice about.... > > > > anyway > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Methinks nonduality needs to be spoken here... > > The choiceless choice only exists in the moment > we are choosing what reality we decide to create. > > Some of us never quite get so far along the Tao. > Some of us never quite now where we are; and if we > don't know where we are, how will we know where we're > going? > > Just some liberating questions. > > Anna ....the " choiceless choice " ......?.... there is no choice about any " creation of realities " ..... as long there is " somebody " ..... " who " imagine some fantasies about " choices " .....or " choicelessness " " some of us " .....exist only in " your " fantasy..... the only entity " who " need to know where he/she is..... is yourself..... there is nobody else..... for real ..... it's clear that " you " are " all appearing " others.... and opposite.... and so...that there is no choice about harmony to/with all this nice fantasies & fictions therefore....indeed....you need to get in Peace....with All in whatever possible way.... this doesn't matter... many paths existing.... to real Self Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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