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Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it--and > also modulates it. :-) yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing. no objection. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 This kind of Cutesy persiflage Is what Bob's Schizoid Macho side calls " Cat piss. " Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it--and > > also modulates it. > > > > :-) > > > yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing. > > no objection. > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it- -and > > also modulates it. > > > > :-) > > > yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing. > > no objection. > > .b b.b. >I am interested in one thing:subject/object relationship. That is the subjct of the post.If they are one--as is stated ad nauseam all over the place, HOW ARe THEY ONE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it- > -and > > > also modulates it. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing. > > > > no objection. > > > > .b b.b. > >I am interested in one thing:subject/object relationship. That is > the subjct of the post.If they are one--as is stated ad nauseam all > over the place, HOW ARe THEY ONE? 'Consciousness Without an Object' by: Franklin Merrell Wolff fantastic realization in book form. my all time favorite. FMW was a mathematician who became Realized(1936). highly recommended... as well as his 'Pathways Through To Space'. i will post his Aphorisms from C w/o O below. i have posted them here a few years back. this is one book that upon reading will produce Adumbrations of the Real. within you and without you.. it's inexplicable.. easily the most profound reading I've ever encountered: APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT AN OBJECT I. Consciousness-without-an-object is. 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, Consciousness-without-an-object is. 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object is the power of awareness that projects objects. 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, consciousness of absence of objects arises. 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the same. 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe is to be aware of Time. 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between Time and Timelessness. 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the world-containing Space. 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge of the Spatial Void is born. 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the Universe of Objects. 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium. 24. All objects exist as tensions within Consciousness-without-an-object that tend ever to flow into their own complements or others. 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects into their complements is mutual cancellation in complete Equilibrium. 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe. 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana. 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension nor Equilibrium. 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming. 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying. 31. So the state of consciousness of objects is a state of ever-renewing promises that pass into death at the moment of fulfillment. 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth and death never ceases. 33. In the state of Equilibrium where birth cancels death the deathless Bliss of Nirvana is realized. 34. But Consciousness-without-an object is neither agony nor bliss. 35. Out of the Great Void, which is Consciousness-without-an-object, the Universe is creatively projected. 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever resists. 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain. 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience; the agony of crucifixion. 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human conceiving. 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither creativeness nor resistance. 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action. 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is realized. 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe. 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana. 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest. 46. When consciousness is attached to objects it is restricted through the forms imposed by the world-containing Space, by Time, and by Law. 47. When consciousness is disengaged from objects, Liberation from the forms of the world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law is attained. 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe. 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic Freedom. 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor freedom. 51. Consciousness-without-an-object may be symbolized by a SPACE that is unaffected by the presence or absence of objects, for which there is neither Time nor Timelessness; neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial Void, neither Tension nor Equilibrium; neither Resistance nor Creativeness; neither Agony nor Bliss; neither Action nor Rest; and neither Restriction nor Freedom. 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be identified with the Universe, so neither is It to be identified with any Self. 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God, but the comprehender of all Gods, as well as of all lesser creatures. 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the Sole Reality upon which all objects and all selves depend and derive their existence. 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the Path of Nirvana. 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other. OM TAT SAT hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Now to apply this Wisdom, Robert: Stop objectifying ALL THE TIME!!!! Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it- > > -and > > > > also modulates it. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing. > > > > > > no objection. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > >I am interested in one thing:subject/object relationship. That is > > the subjct of the post.If they are one--as is stated ad nauseam all > > over the place, HOW ARe THEY ONE? > > > 'Consciousness Without an Object' > > by: > > Franklin Merrell Wolff > > > > fantastic realization in book form. > > my all time favorite. > > FMW was a mathematician who became Realized(1936). > > highly recommended... > > as well as his 'Pathways Through To Space'. > > i will post his Aphorisms from C w/o O below. > > i have posted them here a few years back. > > this is one book that upon reading will produce Adumbrations of the > > Real. > > within you and without you.. > > it's inexplicable.. > > easily the most profound reading I've ever encountered: > > > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT AN OBJECT > > I. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > 4. When objects vanish, > yet remaining through all unaffected, > Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > 6. Within the bosom of > Consciousness-without-an-object is > the power of awareness that projects objects. > > 7. When objects are projected, > the power of awareness as subject is presupposed, > yet Consciousness-without-an-object > remains unchanged. > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, > consciousness of absence of objects arises. > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object > lie both the Universe and Nirvana, > yet to Consciousness-without-an-object > these two are the same. > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of > the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe > is to be aware of Time. > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > between Time and Timelessness. > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the > world-containing Space. > > 18. When awareness cognizes the > world-containing Space then knowledge of > the Spatial Void is born. > > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the > Universe of Objects. > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object > there is no difference between the world-containing > Space and the Spatial Void. > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born > the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium. > > 24. All objects exist as tensions within > Consciousness-without-an-object that tend ever > to flow into their own complements or others. > > 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects > into their complements is mutual cancellation > in complete Equilibrium. > > 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe. > > 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana. > > 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension > nor Equilibrium. > > 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming. > > 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying. > > 31. So the state of consciousness of objects > is a state of ever-renewing promises that pass into death at the > moment of fulfillment. > > 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth > and death never ceases. > > 33. In the state of Equilibrium > where birth cancels death the deathless Bliss of Nirvana is realized. > > 34. But Consciousness-without-an object is neither agony nor bliss. > > 35. Out of the Great Void, > which is Consciousness-without-an-object, > the Universe is creatively projected. > > 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever resists. > > 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain. > > 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience; the agony of > crucifixion. > > 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human conceiving. > > 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither > creativeness nor resistance. > > 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action. > > 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is > realized. > > 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe. > > 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana. > > 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest. > > 46. When consciousness is attached to objects > it is restricted through the forms imposed by the world-containing > Space, by Time, and by Law. > > 47. When consciousness is disengaged from > objects, Liberation from the forms of the > world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law > is attained. > > 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe. > > 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic > Freedom. > > 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor freedom. > > 51. Consciousness-without-an-object > may be symbolized by a SPACE that is > unaffected by the presence or absence of objects, > for which there is neither Time nor Timelessness; > neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial Void, > neither Tension nor Equilibrium; > neither Resistance nor Creativeness; > neither Agony nor Bliss; neither Action nor Rest; > and neither Restriction nor Freedom. > > 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be > identified with the Universe, so neither is It to be identified > with any Self. > > 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God, > but the comprehender of all Gods, > as well as of all lesser creatures. > > 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the > Sole Reality upon which all objects and all selves depend and > derive their existence. > > 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the > Path of Nirvana. > > 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other. > > OM TAT SAT > > > > hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic. > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it- > > -and > > > > also modulates it. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing. > > > > > > no objection. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > >I am interested in one thing:subject/object relationship. That is > > the subjct of the post.If they are one--as is stated ad nauseam all > > over the place, HOW ARe THEY ONE? > > > 'Consciousness Without an Object' > > by: > > Franklin Merrell Wolff > > > > fantastic realization in book form. > > my all time favorite. > > FMW was a mathematician who became Realized(1936). > > highly recommended... > > as well as his 'Pathways Through To Space'. > > i will post his Aphorisms from C w/o O below. > > i have posted them here a few years back. > > this is one book that upon reading will produce Adumbrations of the > > Real. > > within you and without you.. > > it's inexplicable.. > > easily the most profound reading I've ever encountered: > > > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT AN OBJECT > > I. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > 4. When objects vanish, > yet remaining through all unaffected, > Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > 6. Within the bosom of > Consciousness-without-an-object is > the power of awareness that projects objects. > > 7. When objects are projected, > the power of awareness as subject is presupposed, > yet Consciousness-without-an-object > remains unchanged. > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, > consciousness of absence of objects arises. > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object > lie both the Universe and Nirvana, > yet to Consciousness-without-an-object > these two are the same. > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of > the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe > is to be aware of Time. > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > between Time and Timelessness. > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the > world-containing Space. > > 18. When awareness cognizes the > world-containing Space then knowledge of > the Spatial Void is born. > > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the > Universe of Objects. > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object > there is no difference between the world-containing > Space and the Spatial Void. > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born > the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium. > > 24. All objects exist as tensions within > Consciousness-without-an-object that tend ever > to flow into their own complements or others. > > 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects > into their complements is mutual cancellation > in complete Equilibrium. > > 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe. > > 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana. > > 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension > nor Equilibrium. > > 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming. > > 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying. > > 31. So the state of consciousness of objects > is a state of ever-renewing promises that pass into death at the > moment of fulfillment. > > 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth > and death never ceases. > > 33. In the state of Equilibrium > where birth cancels death the deathless Bliss of Nirvana is realized. > > 34. But Consciousness-without-an object is neither agony nor bliss. > > 35. Out of the Great Void, > which is Consciousness-without-an-object, > the Universe is creatively projected. > > 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever resists. > > 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain. > > 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience; the agony of > crucifixion. > > 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human conceiving. > > 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither > creativeness nor resistance. > > 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action. > > 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is > realized. > > 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe. > > 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana. > > 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest. > > 46. When consciousness is attached to objects > it is restricted through the forms imposed by the world- containing > Space, by Time, and by Law. > > 47. When consciousness is disengaged from > objects, Liberation from the forms of the > world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law > is attained. > > 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe. > > 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic > Freedom. > > 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor freedom. > > 51. Consciousness-without-an-object > may be symbolized by a SPACE that is > unaffected by the presence or absence of objects, > for which there is neither Time nor Timelessness; > neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial Void, > neither Tension nor Equilibrium; > neither Resistance nor Creativeness; > neither Agony nor Bliss; neither Action nor Rest; > and neither Restriction nor Freedom. > > 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be > identified with the Universe, so neither is It to be identified > with any Self. > > 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God, > but the comprehender of all Gods, > as well as of all lesser creatures. > > 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the > Sole Reality upon which all objects and all selves depend and > derive their existence. > > 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the > Path of Nirvana. > > 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other. > > OM TAT SAT > > > > hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic. > > > .b b.b. > Thanks for the name of book and the aphorisms--I will check into them both--i.ei, book and aphorisms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 > > hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > Thanks for the name of book and the aphorisms--I will check into > them both--i.ei, book and aphorisms. your welcome. i know you'll enjoy the books tom. and there is some of his material on the web. http://www.integralscience.org/gsc/ and his daughter carries forward his work with her husband and daughter. i've corresponded with doroethy and ron and some of Merrell's small group of original students for several years. http://www.merrell-wolff.org/doroethy.htm good exploring! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Good! But what's with the " .b b.b. " ? Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Thanks for the name of book and the aphorisms--I will check into > > them both--i.ei, book and aphorisms. > > > > > your welcome. > > i know you'll enjoy the books tom. > > and there is some of his material on the web. > > http://www.integralscience.org/gsc/ > > and his daughter carries forward his work with her husband and daughter. > > i've corresponded with doroethy and ron and some of Merrell's small > group of original students for several years. > > http://www.merrell-wolff.org/doroethy.htm > > good exploring! > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Thanks for the name of book and the aphorisms--I will check into > > them both--i.ei, book and aphorisms. > > > > > your welcome. > > i know you'll enjoy the books tom. > > and there is some of his material on the web. > > http://www.integralscience.org/gsc/ > > and his daughter carries forward his work with her husband and daughter. > > i've corresponded with doroethy and ron and some of Merrell's small > group of original students for several years. > > http://www.merrell-wolff.org/doroethy.htm > > good exploring! > > .b b.b. >I went this morning to the first site.Very good. Have not had time to go into it but I will.Funny, I thought I knew all the names and here is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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