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Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

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> Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it--and

> also modulates it.

 

 

 

:-)

 

 

yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing.

 

no objection.

 

..b b.b.

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This kind of

 

Cutesy persiflage

 

Is what Bob's

 

Schizoid

 

Macho side calls

 

 

 

" Cat piss. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote:

> >

> > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it--and

> > also modulates it.

>

>

>

> :-)

>

>

> yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing.

>

> no objection.

>

> .b b.b.

>

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<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote:

> >

> > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it-

-and

> > also modulates it.

>

>

>

> :-)

>

>

> yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing.

>

> no objection.

>

> .b b.b.

>I am interested in one thing:subject/object relationship. That is

the subjct of the post.If they are one--as is stated ad nauseam all

over the place, HOW ARe THEY ONE?

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Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it-

> -and

> > > also modulates it.

> >

> >

> >

> > :-)

> >

> >

> > yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing.

> >

> > no objection.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >I am interested in one thing:subject/object relationship. That is

> the subjct of the post.If they are one--as is stated ad nauseam all

> over the place, HOW ARe THEY ONE?

 

 

'Consciousness Without an Object'

 

by:

 

Franklin Merrell Wolff

 

 

 

fantastic realization in book form.

 

my all time favorite.

 

FMW was a mathematician who became Realized(1936).

 

highly recommended...

 

as well as his 'Pathways Through To Space'.

 

i will post his Aphorisms from C w/o O below.

 

i have posted them here a few years back.

 

this is one book that upon reading will produce Adumbrations of the

 

Real.

 

within you and without you..

 

it's inexplicable..

 

easily the most profound reading I've ever encountered:

 

 

 

APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT AN OBJECT

 

I. Consciousness-without-an-object is.

 

2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is.

 

3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is.

 

4. When objects vanish,

yet remaining through all unaffected,

Consciousness-without-an-object is.

 

5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is.

 

6. Within the bosom of

Consciousness-without-an-object is

the power of awareness that projects objects.

 

7. When objects are projected,

the power of awareness as subject is presupposed,

yet Consciousness-without-an-object

remains unchanged.

 

8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise,

consciousness of absence of objects arises.

 

9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe.

 

10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana.

 

11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object

lie both the Universe and Nirvana,

yet to Consciousness-without-an-object

these two are the same.

 

12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time.

 

13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born.

 

14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of

the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe

is to be aware of Time.

 

15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana.

 

16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference

between Time and Timelessness.

 

17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the

world-containing Space.

 

18. When awareness cognizes the

world-containing Space then knowledge of

the Spatial Void is born.

 

19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the

Universe of Objects.

 

20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness.

 

21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object

there is no difference between the world-containing

Space and the Spatial Void.

 

22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law.

 

23. When consciousness of objects is born

the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium.

 

24. All objects exist as tensions within

Consciousness-without-an-object that tend ever

to flow into their own complements or others.

 

25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects

into their complements is mutual cancellation

in complete Equilibrium.

 

26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe.

 

27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana.

 

28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension

nor Equilibrium.

 

29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming.

 

30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying.

 

31. So the state of consciousness of objects

is a state of ever-renewing promises that pass into death at the

moment of fulfillment.

 

32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth

and death never ceases.

 

33. In the state of Equilibrium

where birth cancels death the deathless Bliss of Nirvana is realized.

 

34. But Consciousness-without-an object is neither agony nor bliss.

 

35. Out of the Great Void,

which is Consciousness-without-an-object,

the Universe is creatively projected.

 

36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever resists.

 

37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain.

 

38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience; the agony of

crucifixion.

 

39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human conceiving.

 

40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither

creativeness nor resistance.

 

41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action.

 

42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is

realized.

 

43. Ceaseless action is the Universe.

 

44. Unending Rest is Nirvana.

 

45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest.

 

46. When consciousness is attached to objects

it is restricted through the forms imposed by the world-containing

Space, by Time, and by Law.

 

47. When consciousness is disengaged from

objects, Liberation from the forms of the

world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law

is attained.

 

48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe.

 

49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic

Freedom.

 

50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor freedom.

 

51. Consciousness-without-an-object

may be symbolized by a SPACE that is

unaffected by the presence or absence of objects,

for which there is neither Time nor Timelessness;

neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial Void,

neither Tension nor Equilibrium;

neither Resistance nor Creativeness;

neither Agony nor Bliss; neither Action nor Rest;

and neither Restriction nor Freedom.

 

52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be

identified with the Universe, so neither is It to be identified

with any Self.

 

53. The GREAT SPACE is not God,

but the comprehender of all Gods,

as well as of all lesser creatures.

 

54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the

Sole Reality upon which all objects and all selves depend and

derive their existence.

 

55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the

Path of Nirvana.

 

56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other.

 

OM TAT SAT

 

 

 

hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic.

 

 

..b b.b.

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Now to apply this

 

Wisdom, Robert:

 

 

Stop objectifying

 

ALL THE TIME!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that knows it-

> > -and

> > > > also modulates it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > :-)

> > >

> > >

> > > yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing.

> > >

> > > no objection.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >I am interested in one thing:subject/object relationship. That is

> > the subjct of the post.If they are one--as is stated ad nauseam all

> > over the place, HOW ARe THEY ONE?

>

>

> 'Consciousness Without an Object'

>

> by:

>

> Franklin Merrell Wolff

>

>

>

> fantastic realization in book form.

>

> my all time favorite.

>

> FMW was a mathematician who became Realized(1936).

>

> highly recommended...

>

> as well as his 'Pathways Through To Space'.

>

> i will post his Aphorisms from C w/o O below.

>

> i have posted them here a few years back.

>

> this is one book that upon reading will produce Adumbrations of the

>

> Real.

>

> within you and without you..

>

> it's inexplicable..

>

> easily the most profound reading I've ever encountered:

>

>

>

> APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT AN OBJECT

>

> I. Consciousness-without-an-object is.

>

> 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is.

>

> 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is.

>

> 4. When objects vanish,

> yet remaining through all unaffected,

> Consciousness-without-an-object is.

>

> 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is.

>

> 6. Within the bosom of

> Consciousness-without-an-object is

> the power of awareness that projects objects.

>

> 7. When objects are projected,

> the power of awareness as subject is presupposed,

> yet Consciousness-without-an-object

> remains unchanged.

>

> 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise,

> consciousness of absence of objects arises.

>

> 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe.

>

> 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana.

>

> 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object

> lie both the Universe and Nirvana,

> yet to Consciousness-without-an-object

> these two are the same.

>

> 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time.

>

> 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born.

>

> 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of

> the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe

> is to be aware of Time.

>

> 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana.

>

> 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference

> between Time and Timelessness.

>

> 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the

> world-containing Space.

>

> 18. When awareness cognizes the

> world-containing Space then knowledge of

> the Spatial Void is born.

>

> 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the

> Universe of Objects.

>

> 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness.

>

> 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object

> there is no difference between the world-containing

> Space and the Spatial Void.

>

> 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law.

>

> 23. When consciousness of objects is born

> the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium.

>

> 24. All objects exist as tensions within

> Consciousness-without-an-object that tend ever

> to flow into their own complements or others.

>

> 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects

> into their complements is mutual cancellation

> in complete Equilibrium.

>

> 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe.

>

> 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana.

>

> 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension

> nor Equilibrium.

>

> 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming.

>

> 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying.

>

> 31. So the state of consciousness of objects

> is a state of ever-renewing promises that pass into death at the

> moment of fulfillment.

>

> 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth

> and death never ceases.

>

> 33. In the state of Equilibrium

> where birth cancels death the deathless Bliss of Nirvana is

realized.

>

> 34. But Consciousness-without-an object is neither agony nor bliss.

>

> 35. Out of the Great Void,

> which is Consciousness-without-an-object,

> the Universe is creatively projected.

>

> 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever

resists.

>

> 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain.

>

> 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience; the agony of

> crucifixion.

>

> 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human

conceiving.

>

> 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither

> creativeness nor resistance.

>

> 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action.

>

> 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is

> realized.

>

> 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe.

>

> 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana.

>

> 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest.

>

> 46. When consciousness is attached to objects

> it is restricted through the forms imposed by the world-containing

> Space, by Time, and by Law.

>

> 47. When consciousness is disengaged from

> objects, Liberation from the forms of the

> world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law

> is attained.

>

> 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe.

>

> 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic

> Freedom.

>

> 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor freedom.

>

> 51. Consciousness-without-an-object

> may be symbolized by a SPACE that is

> unaffected by the presence or absence of objects,

> for which there is neither Time nor Timelessness;

> neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial Void,

> neither Tension nor Equilibrium;

> neither Resistance nor Creativeness;

> neither Agony nor Bliss; neither Action nor Rest;

> and neither Restriction nor Freedom.

>

> 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be

> identified with the Universe, so neither is It to be identified

> with any Self.

>

> 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God,

> but the comprehender of all Gods,

> as well as of all lesser creatures.

>

> 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the

> Sole Reality upon which all objects and all selves depend and

> derive their existence.

>

> 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the

> Path of Nirvana.

>

> 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other.

>

> OM TAT SAT

>

>

>

> hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic.

>

>

> .b b.b.

>

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Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Every objcet asserts and affirms the consciousness that

knows it-

> > -and

> > > > also modulates it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > :-)

> > >

> > >

> > > yes..as long as it's subjected to that sort of thing.

> > >

> > > no objection.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >I am interested in one thing:subject/object relationship. That

is

> > the subjct of the post.If they are one--as is stated ad nauseam

all

> > over the place, HOW ARe THEY ONE?

>

>

> 'Consciousness Without an Object'

>

> by:

>

> Franklin Merrell Wolff

>

>

>

> fantastic realization in book form.

>

> my all time favorite.

>

> FMW was a mathematician who became Realized(1936).

>

> highly recommended...

>

> as well as his 'Pathways Through To Space'.

>

> i will post his Aphorisms from C w/o O below.

>

> i have posted them here a few years back.

>

> this is one book that upon reading will produce Adumbrations of

the

>

> Real.

>

> within you and without you..

>

> it's inexplicable..

>

> easily the most profound reading I've ever encountered:

>

>

>

> APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT AN OBJECT

>

> I. Consciousness-without-an-object is.

>

> 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is.

>

> 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object

is.

>

> 4. When objects vanish,

> yet remaining through all unaffected,

> Consciousness-without-an-object is.

>

> 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is.

>

> 6. Within the bosom of

> Consciousness-without-an-object is

> the power of awareness that projects objects.

>

> 7. When objects are projected,

> the power of awareness as subject is presupposed,

> yet Consciousness-without-an-object

> remains unchanged.

>

> 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise,

> consciousness of absence of objects arises.

>

> 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe.

>

> 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana.

>

> 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object

> lie both the Universe and Nirvana,

> yet to Consciousness-without-an-object

> these two are the same.

>

> 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time.

>

> 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is

born.

>

> 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of

> the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe

> is to be aware of Time.

>

> 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana.

>

> 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference

> between Time and Timelessness.

>

> 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the

> world-containing Space.

>

> 18. When awareness cognizes the

> world-containing Space then knowledge of

> the Spatial Void is born.

>

> 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the

> Universe of Objects.

>

> 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic

Consciousness.

>

> 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object

> there is no difference between the world-containing

> Space and the Spatial Void.

>

> 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law.

>

> 23. When consciousness of objects is born

> the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium.

>

> 24. All objects exist as tensions within

> Consciousness-without-an-object that tend ever

> to flow into their own complements or others.

>

> 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects

> into their complements is mutual cancellation

> in complete Equilibrium.

>

> 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe.

>

> 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana.

>

> 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither

tension

> nor Equilibrium.

>

> 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming.

>

> 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying.

>

> 31. So the state of consciousness of objects

> is a state of ever-renewing promises that pass into death at

the

> moment of fulfillment.

>

> 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of

birth

> and death never ceases.

>

> 33. In the state of Equilibrium

> where birth cancels death the deathless Bliss of Nirvana is

realized.

>

> 34. But Consciousness-without-an object is neither agony nor bliss.

>

> 35. Out of the Great Void,

> which is Consciousness-without-an-object,

> the Universe is creatively projected.

>

> 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever

resists.

>

> 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain.

>

> 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience; the agony of

> crucifixion.

>

> 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human

conceiving.

>

> 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither

> creativeness nor resistance.

>

> 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action.

>

> 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is

> realized.

>

> 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe.

>

> 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana.

>

> 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest.

>

> 46. When consciousness is attached to objects

> it is restricted through the forms imposed by the world-

containing

> Space, by Time, and by Law.

>

> 47. When consciousness is disengaged from

> objects, Liberation from the forms of the

> world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law

> is attained.

>

> 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the

Universe.

>

> 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited

Nirvanic

> Freedom.

>

> 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor

freedom.

>

> 51. Consciousness-without-an-object

> may be symbolized by a SPACE that is

> unaffected by the presence or absence of objects,

> for which there is neither Time nor Timelessness;

> neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial Void,

> neither Tension nor Equilibrium;

> neither Resistance nor Creativeness;

> neither Agony nor Bliss; neither Action nor Rest;

> and neither Restriction nor Freedom.

>

> 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be

> identified with the Universe, so neither is It to be identified

> with any Self.

>

> 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God,

> but the comprehender of all Gods,

> as well as of all lesser creatures.

>

> 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the

> Sole Reality upon which all objects and all selves depend and

> derive their existence.

>

> 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and

the

> Path of Nirvana.

>

> 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other.

>

> OM TAT SAT

>

>

>

> hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic.

>

>

> .b b.b.

>

Thanks for the name of book and the aphorisms--I will check into

them both--i.ei, book and aphorisms.

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> > hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic.

> >

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> Thanks for the name of book and the aphorisms--I will check into

> them both--i.ei, book and aphorisms.

 

 

 

 

your welcome.

 

i know you'll enjoy the books tom.

 

and there is some of his material on the web.

 

http://www.integralscience.org/gsc/

 

and his daughter carries forward his work with her husband and daughter.

 

i've corresponded with doroethy and ron and some of Merrell's small

group of original students for several years.

 

http://www.merrell-wolff.org/doroethy.htm

 

good exploring!

 

..b b.b.

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Good!

 

But what's with the

 

" .b b.b. " ?

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

>

> > > hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic.

> > >

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > Thanks for the name of book and the aphorisms--I will check into

> > them both--i.ei, book and aphorisms.

>

>

>

>

> your welcome.

>

> i know you'll enjoy the books tom.

>

> and there is some of his material on the web.

>

> http://www.integralscience.org/gsc/

>

> and his daughter carries forward his work with her husband and daughter.

>

> i've corresponded with doroethy and ron and some of Merrell's small

> group of original students for several years.

>

> http://www.merrell-wolff.org/doroethy.htm

>

> good exploring!

>

> .b b.b.

>

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Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

>

> > > hope you like them..if so get the book..it's wonderful magic.

> > >

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > Thanks for the name of book and the aphorisms--I will check into

> > them both--i.ei, book and aphorisms.

>

>

>

>

> your welcome.

>

> i know you'll enjoy the books tom.

>

> and there is some of his material on the web.

>

> http://www.integralscience.org/gsc/

>

> and his daughter carries forward his work with her husband and

daughter.

>

> i've corresponded with doroethy and ron and some of Merrell's small

> group of original students for several years.

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> http://www.merrell-wolff.org/doroethy.htm

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> good exploring!

>

> .b b.b.

>I went this morning to the first site.Very good. Have not had time

to go into it but I will.Funny, I thought I knew all the names and

here is another.

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