from a past intervew with JWL

July 16, 2007

" My first realization after the accident was that nature did not

involve suffering at all, it was only the human mind that was out of

step with natural consciousness, " explained John. " Human consciousness

is unaware of the unconditional love of the universe! " John is now

aware of that love but says that he spends only about 50% of his day

in eternity consciousness, since concentration of any kind causes the

eternal, or the 'Dazzling Dark,' to temporarily recede. He is working

towards perpetual eternity consciousness, and though some gurus have

claimed to have reached it, he doubts if it is possible. John

experiences two types of regressions into normal consciousness: the

first he calls a 'slip-out,' which happens once or twice a week; the

second he calls 'screening.' When John needs to concentrate on

something, the Dazzling Dark is pushed to the background, and the

'role' of John Wren-Lewis takes the attention on the forefront of his

mind. He used the metaphor of a camera shutter closing briefly then

re-opening so he can see the world 'correctly' (in eternity

consciousness) again. Occasionally, the camera shutter gets 'stuck,'

and this results in the slip-out. But he falls back into Enlightenment

as soon as he remembers the Dazzling Dark, and no harm is done.

The other kind of regression, screening, is a more extreme slip-out --

the shutter closes, and John cannot relocate the Dark. This has

happened to him only a couple of times, and it has always been

associated with severe physical or emotional pain. John describes the

time when he is apart from eternity as his own 'dark night of the soul.'

One thing about the prospect of Enlightenment has always bothered me:

the notion of the complete loss of self and identity. I ask John about

this -- is it true? Do you really cease being who you are?

In his enlightened state, John says it is as though nothing has

changed and yet everything has changed. He has retained his

personality, needs, desires, but now is aware that the entirety of his

existence is simply one of the infinite ways the universe is

expressing itself moment by moment. When I asked him if it was worth

it, he says definitively that " Yes, this is the best thing that's ever

happened to me and it's the natural birthright of everyone and I

haven't got a clue how to reach it! " In fact, he feels that most

methods people practice to try to reach Enlightenment are

counter-productive in that they concentrate on self-effort and think

along the lines of time and causality. Although the acausality of

enlightenment may sound like bad news at first, John says that it is

also good news in a sense because there is no need to kill yourself

with spiritual practices or worry about making irreversible mistakes

on the spiritual path. In the sixteen years since his experience, he

has sought out other people who have had permanent Enlightenment

experiences. He has thus far found fifteen, and only two had previous

spiritual backgrounds. Just as we are all different people, John told

me, there is an infinite variety in the types of Enlightenment

experiences that people have. John says the eternity/God/Dazzling Dark

loves the variety. The best you can do in the meantime is be aware and

to 'travel hopefully.'

" And besides, " says John, " Death takes you straight there anyway! "

Now he really had my attention. I realized more acutely than ever

before that the primary motivation behind my interest in spirituality

was my fear and fascination with death and the prospect of life after

death. So I popped the question: " What happens to you after you die? "

" I don't know. I haven't died yet! " John said with a laugh. What he

really meant was that he didn't know specifics about what part of a

person survived death or what exactly happens to it, but he could tell

me that some sort of 'personal essence' returns to the unconditional

love of the Dazzling Dark. Partly this knowledge derives from a real

sense of closeness that John feels with family and friends that have

passed away, a feeling that what was 'good' in them is still contained

in the Dark somehow. However, John is quick to point out that it is

more than just a 'sense' that there is 'life' after death -- he knows.

" The Dark, " he says, " is constantly there, producing everything at

every moment, from the big bang to the final whimper. When you die,

the Dark in you lives on. " John likens the whole space-time universe

to a theatre in which eternity is playing out the 'time game.' The

only place to go when your personal 'time game' is over is offstage,

and back to the Dazzling Dark. No judgment, no hellfire and brimstone,

simply a return home to eternal love. " The entire concept of a fallen

angel is ridiculous, " says John. " I can't imagine anyone choosing not

to have Enlightenment! " The fact that there is no hell is not to say

that there is no universal morality, for as Christ taught, that which

is not in accord with unconditional love is still 'immoral;' however,

there is no sin that goes unforgiven.

As a great sigh of relief echoed through my Catholic soul, I felt a

new sense of vitality and freedom. But at the same time, I felt an

overwhelming aimlessness due to the fact that there no longer seemed

to be a huge 'agenda' for life. So I asked John, " If you were in my

shoes, twenty-one years old and unenlightened, with a world of

opportunities before you, what would you do? "

Characteristically, the playful John Wren-Lewis quoted Shakespeare,

saying, " 'There is nothing serious in mortality.' Live mindful of the

fact that life is nothing but a grand play, " he advised, " and become

more settled day by day in the knowledge that death is but a return

home. Remember that happiness is in the moment and its value is itself. "

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..b b.b.

July 16, 2007

What happens after death?

" First I cut you into little pieces " , LOL.

Then I delete all your experiences, all your memories, each and every of

your realizations, and if you are completely clear, crystal clear, like

thin air, I let you enter my brain.

You'll see the reality through my eyes, and you'll know when you see

reality through my eyes that you are dead.

What happens after that, after you died, and lived my live?

The no sphere.

lulu

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111

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