Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he was avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended a seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the teacher and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he propositoined them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh must have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only such case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying that they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. Well, the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked RB's rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the fact that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to build me a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an enlightened man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he meant a really decent enlightened man or not. The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar searching ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't sadly turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but go in and separate what they need from what they don't need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Yes. Finally someone writes something sanguine and mature. But is there such a thing as a reliable anything, guru, friend, mechanic, or otherwise? I'm offering just a slight provocation, hopefully, as a way of saying that however may we label anyone or anything, unpredictability is never eradicated. Indeed, the more involved we are with something, the more unpredictable it is, almost by definition. Unpredictability is a function of our attention. We don't attend to the entirely predictable. So, say that a guru is predictable and decent. How fascinating is that? In any case, the source of our interest is not the object, but our reaction to that object. We " shouldn't " ever be looking for a guru, we should be looking for a relationship with another that stimulates our grace/disgrace, our compassion/contempt, our interest/boredom. Because it's precisely the energy and engagement demanded of us, in our struggle/dance with uncertain outcome that vitalizes us. Vitality always wins, either by dint of force and stamina, as when " evil " triumphs, or by virtue of love, beauty and grace, as when time lends patience its due. And whose vitality? Why yours, mine, the subject's vitality. The eye of the beholder. -- In Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he was > avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended a > seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the teacher > and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he propositoined > them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full > treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh must > have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only such > case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying that > they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. Well, > the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel > like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked RB's > rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the fact > that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to build me > a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an enlightened > man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he > meant a really decent enlightened man or not. > The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar searching > ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't sadly > turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but go in > and separate what they need from what they don't need. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he was > avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended a > seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the teacher > and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he propositoined > them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full > treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh must > have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only such > case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying that > they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. Well, > the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel > like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked RB's > rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the fact > that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to build me > a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an enlightened > man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he > meant a really decent enlightened man or not. > The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar searching > ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't sadly > turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but go in > and separate what they need from what they don't need. jesus ran with thieves an whores and bums and lepers and revolutionaries. he ate whatever he wanted and told others to too..not exactly in the hebrew tradition of kosher and proper. mohammed..well what can you say..'kill the bastards if they don't submit...and pass the pita please. ikkyu drank like the dickens and spent nights and days in whorehouses and bars. buddha boy and friends...sat around until they 'got' it...didn't move!...things would get a little crusty and shitty and tres unhealthy around their digs. moses..all several of him..scream at the bastards if they don't see things my way. smash the tabs and rain down lightening! abraham...leave your woman and bastard kid alone in arabia and go back to the other bitch for a few years. morality is selective and cultural and phony. consider: knowing everyone and everything is One... we're all cannibals even.... the vegan. that's not the la bamba more like p.e. lumumba. or as tina turner asked... WHAT'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT? gotta love that.. a second hand emotion... :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 - With bob, it's more like flies on shit. - In Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he was > > avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended a > > seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the teacher > > and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he propositoined > > them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full > > treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh must > > have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only such > > case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying that > > they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. Well, > > the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel > > like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked RB's > > rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the fact > > that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to build me > > a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an enlightened > > man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he > > meant a really decent enlightened man or not. > > The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar searching > > ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't sadly > > turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but go in > > and separate what they need from what they don't need. > > > > jesus ran with thieves an whores and bums and lepers and > revolutionaries. he ate whatever he wanted and told others to too..not > exactly in the hebrew tradition of kosher and proper. > > mohammed..well what can you say..'kill the bastards if they don't > submit...and pass the pita please. > > ikkyu drank like the dickens and spent nights and days in whorehouses > and bars. > > buddha boy and friends...sat around until they 'got' it...didn't > move!...things would get a little crusty and shitty and tres unhealthy > around their digs. > > moses..all several of him..scream at the bastards if they don't see > things my way. smash the tabs and rain down lightening! > > abraham...leave your woman and bastard kid alone in arabia and go back > to the other bitch for a few years. > > morality is selective and cultural and phony. > > consider: > > knowing everyone and everything is One... > > we're all cannibals even.... the vegan. > > that's not the la bamba > > more like p.e. lumumba. > > or as tina turner asked... > > WHAT'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT? > > > gotta love that.. > > a second hand emotion... > > :-) > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > - > > > With bob, it's more like flies on shit. yes! how natural and true can it be? beautiful..you're seeing the light sister! and where else do you think maggots like you hatch? every creature is a treasure roberta. and you help with the field fertilizer too. LOL! ..b b.b. **************************nnb***************************************** > - In Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he was > > > avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended a > > > seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the teacher > > > and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he propositoined > > > them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full > > > treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh must > > > have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only such > > > case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying that > > > they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. Well, > > > the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel > > > like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked RB's > > > rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the fact > > > that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to build me > > > a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an enlightened > > > man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he > > > meant a really decent enlightened man or not. > > > The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar searching > > > ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't sadly > > > turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but go in > > > and separate what they need from what they don't need. > > > > > > > > jesus ran with thieves an whores and bums and lepers and > > revolutionaries. he ate whatever he wanted and told others to too..not > > exactly in the hebrew tradition of kosher and proper. > > > > mohammed..well what can you say..'kill the bastards if they don't > > submit...and pass the pita please. > > > > ikkyu drank like the dickens and spent nights and days in whorehouses > > and bars. > > > > buddha boy and friends...sat around until they 'got' it...didn't > > move!...things would get a little crusty and shitty and tres unhealthy > > around their digs. > > > > moses..all several of him..scream at the bastards if they don't see > > things my way. smash the tabs and rain down lightening! > > > > abraham...leave your woman and bastard kid alone in arabia and go back > > to the other bitch for a few years. > > > > morality is selective and cultural and phony. > > > > consider: > > > > knowing everyone and everything is One... > > > > we're all cannibals even.... the vegan. > > > > that's not the la bamba > > > > more like p.e. lumumba. > > > > or as tina turner asked... > > > > WHAT'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT? > > > > > > gotta love that.. > > > > a second hand emotion... > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 - twit -- In Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > - > > > > > > With bob, it's more like flies on shit. > > > > yes! > > how natural and true can it be? > > beautiful..you're seeing the light sister! > > and where else do you think maggots like you hatch? > > every creature is a treasure roberta. > > and you help with the field fertilizer too. > > > LOL! > > > .b b.b. > > > **************************nnb***************************************** > > > > - In Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he > was > > > > avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended a > > > > seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the > teacher > > > > and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he propositoined > > > > them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full > > > > treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh must > > > > have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only such > > > > case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying > that > > > > they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. Well, > > > > the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel > > > > like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked RB's > > > > rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the fact > > > > that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to > build me > > > > a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an enlightened > > > > man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he > > > > meant a really decent enlightened man or not. > > > > The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar searching > > > > ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't sadly > > > > turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but > go in > > > > and separate what they need from what they don't need. > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus ran with thieves an whores and bums and lepers and > > > revolutionaries. he ate whatever he wanted and told others to too..not > > > exactly in the hebrew tradition of kosher and proper. > > > > > > mohammed..well what can you say..'kill the bastards if they don't > > > submit...and pass the pita please. > > > > > > ikkyu drank like the dickens and spent nights and days in whorehouses > > > and bars. > > > > > > buddha boy and friends...sat around until they 'got' it...didn't > > > move!...things would get a little crusty and shitty and tres unhealthy > > > around their digs. > > > > > > moses..all several of him..scream at the bastards if they don't see > > > things my way. smash the tabs and rain down lightening! > > > > > > abraham...leave your woman and bastard kid alone in arabia and go back > > > to the other bitch for a few years. > > > > > > morality is selective and cultural and phony. > > > > > > consider: > > > > > > knowing everyone and everything is One... > > > > > > we're all cannibals even.... the vegan. > > > > > > that's not the la bamba > > > > > > more like p.e. lumumba. > > > > > > or as tina turner asked... > > > > > > WHAT'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT? > > > > > > > > > gotta love that.. > > > > > > a second hand emotion... > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: >I don't know about shoulds.I figure Balsekar is as good as any unless you are idiot enough to give him any money. > > Yes. Finally someone writes something sanguine and mature. But is > there such a thing as a reliable anything, guru, friend, mechanic, or > otherwise? I'm offering just a slight provocation, hopefully, as a > way of saying that however may we label anyone or anything, > unpredictability is never eradicated. Indeed, the more involved we > are with something, the more unpredictable it is, almost by > definition. Unpredictability is a function of our attention. We > don't attend to the entirely predictable. So, say that a guru is > predictable and decent. How fascinating is that? > > In any case, the source of our interest is not the object, but our > reaction to that object. We " shouldn't " ever be looking for a guru, > we should be looking for a relationship with another that stimulates > our grace/disgrace, our compassion/contempt, our interest/boredom. > Because it's precisely the energy and engagement demanded of us, in > our struggle/dance with uncertain outcome that vitalizes us. > > Vitality always wins, either by dint of force and stamina, as when > " evil " triumphs, or by virtue of love, beauty and grace, as when time > lends patience its due. And whose vitality? Why yours, mine, the > subject's vitality. The eye of the beholder. > > > > > > > > > > -- In Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he was > > avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended a > > seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the teacher > > and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he propositoined > > them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full > > treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh must > > have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only such > > case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying that > > they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. Well, > > the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel > > like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked RB's > > rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the fact > > that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to build me > > a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an enlightened > > man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he > > meant a really decent enlightened man or not. > > The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar searching > > ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't sadly > > turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but go in > > and separate what they need from what they don't need. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he was > > avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended a > > seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the teacher > > and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he propositoined > > them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full > > treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh must > > have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only such > > case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying that > > they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. Well, > > the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel > > like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked RB's > > rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the fact > > that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to build me > > a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an enlightened > > man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he > > meant a really decent enlightened man or not. > > The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar searching > > ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't sadly > > turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but go in > > and separate what they need from what they don't need. > > > > jesus ran with thieves an whores and bums and lepers and > revolutionaries. he ate whatever he wanted and told others to too..not > exactly in the hebrew tradition of kosher and proper. > > mohammed..well what can you say..'kill the bastards if they don't > submit...and pass the pita please. > > ikkyu drank like the dickens and spent nights and days in whorehouses > and bars. > > buddha boy and friends...sat around until they 'got' it...didn't > move!...things would get a little crusty and shitty and tres unhealthy > around their digs. > > moses..all several of him..scream at the bastards if they don't see > things my way. smash the tabs and rain down lightening! > > abraham...leave your woman and bastard kid alone in arabia and go back > to the other bitch for a few years. > > morality is selective and cultural and phony. > > consider: > > knowing everyone and everything is One... > > we're all cannibals even.... the vegan. > > that's not the la bamba > > more like p.e. lumumba. > > or as tina turner asked... > > WHAT'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT? > > > gotta love that.. > > a second hand emotion... > > :-) > > .b b.b. >I don't look for morality.There is none of that, I reckon, in the justhappenswnesshood of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he > was > > > avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended > a > > > seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the > teacher > > > and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he > propositoined > > > them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full > > > treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh > must > > > have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only > such > > > case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying > that > > > they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. > Well, > > > the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel > > > like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked > RB's > > > rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the > fact > > > that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to > build me > > > a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an > enlightened > > > man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he > > > meant a really decent enlightened man or not. > > > The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar > searching > > > ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't > sadly > > > turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but > go in > > > and separate what they need from what they don't need. > > > > > > > > jesus ran with thieves an whores and bums and lepers and > > revolutionaries. he ate whatever he wanted and told others to > too..not > > exactly in the hebrew tradition of kosher and proper. > > > > mohammed..well what can you say..'kill the bastards if they don't > > submit...and pass the pita please. > > > > ikkyu drank like the dickens and spent nights and days in > whorehouses > > and bars. > > > > buddha boy and friends...sat around until they 'got' it...didn't > > move!...things would get a little crusty and shitty and tres > unhealthy > > around their digs. > > > > moses..all several of him..scream at the bastards if they don't see > > things my way. smash the tabs and rain down lightening! > > > > abraham...leave your woman and bastard kid alone in arabia and go > back > > to the other bitch for a few years. > > > > morality is selective and cultural and phony. > > > > consider: > > > > knowing everyone and everything is One... > > > > we're all cannibals even.... the vegan. > > > > that's not the la bamba > > > > more like p.e. lumumba. > > > > or as tina turner asked... > > > > WHAT'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT? > > > > > > gotta love that.. > > > > a second hand emotion... > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > >I don't look for morality.There is none of that, I reckon, in the > justhappenswnesshood of life. ;-) just so! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > Yes. Finally someone writes something sanguine and mature. But is > there such a thing as a reliable anything, guru, friend, mechanic, or > otherwise? I'm offering just a slight provocation, hopefully, as a > way of saying that however may we label anyone or anything, > unpredictability is never eradicated. Indeed, the more involved we > are with something, the more unpredictable it is, almost by > definition. Unpredictability is a function of our attention. We > don't attend to the entirely predictable. So, say that a guru is > predictable and decent. How fascinating is that? > > In any case, the source of our interest is not the object, but our > reaction to that object. We " shouldn't " ever be looking for a guru, > we should be looking for a relationship with another that stimulates > our grace/disgrace, our compassion/contempt, our interest/boredom. > Because it's precisely the energy and engagement demanded of us, in > our struggle/dance with uncertain outcome that vitalizes us. > > Vitality always wins, either by dint of force and stamina, as when > " evil " triumphs, or by virtue of love, beauty and grace, as when time > lends patience its due. And whose vitality? Why yours, mine, the > subject's vitality. The eye of the beholder. > > > > > > > > > > -- In Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I read something this morning re Ramesh Balsekar.It said that he was > > avaricious and not to be trusted with women.The accuser attended a > > seminar in Mumbai in '04.Women got up in the presence of the teacher > > and challenged him on his conduct with them--i.e. he propositoined > > them; they came for hugs and he tried to give them the full > > treatment (which is a little hard to imagine given that Ramesh must > > have been 90 at the time and looked it.But it is not the only such > > case on record)). Not just one either.He excused himself saying that > > they were creating the problem and now they had to solve it. Well, > > the author goes on and on and is pretty convincing.I didn't feel > > like doubting any of it for a minute. But I must say I liked RB's > > rejoinder:[in effect]Since you are having a problem with the fact > > that I am a wandering old goat, then it is your business to build me > > a fence.Ken Wilbur says that rare as it is to find an enlightened > > man it is rarer to find a really decent man--I don't know if he > > meant a really decent enlightened man or not. > > The fact seems to be that you have to be like sugar searching > > ants who when they find a pile of sand mixed with sugar don't sadly > > turn away and continue looking for the perfectly pure pile but go in > > and separate what they need from what they don't need. > > > Yes, the source of interest is not the object but4 the reaction to the object.And really the reaction IS the object for the reaction is the knowledge of the object and that is all we will ever have of said " object " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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