Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Still applies perfectly. As a matter of fact since I first heard these words. The world has become what it is. lol. Max Ehrmann Desiderata Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 > > Avoid loud and aggressive persons, Oh, yeah... what if you are married to one What if you work for one ?;) > they are vexations to the spirit. Sure... well, but, that is really that 'point' That is how they often get their 'work done' and their 'goals accomplished' because many 'souls' are concerned about their 'spirit' Many of the past big kings, big warriors were n fact - BIG Terrorists and they established their empires based on 'terror'. It 'worked' - didn't it? And, Phil says... 'people do what works' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Still applies perfectly. As a matter of fact since I first heard these > words. > The world has become what it is. lol. > > > Max Ehrmann > > > Desiderata > > Go placidly amid the noise and haste, > and remember what peace there may be in silence. > As far as possible without surrender > be on good terms with all persons. > Speak your truth quietly and clearly; > and listen to others, > even the dull and the ignorant; > they too have their story. > > Avoid loud and aggressive persons, > they are vexations to the spirit. > If you compare yourself with others, > you may become vain and bitter; > for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. > Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. > > Keep interested in your own career, however humble; > it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. > Exercise caution in your business affairs; > for the world is full of trickery. > But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; > many persons strive for high ideals; > and everywhere life is full of heroism. > > Be yourself. > Especially, do not feign affection. > Neither be cynical about love; > for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment > it is as perennial as the grass. > > Take kindly the counsel of the years, > gracefully surrendering the things of youth. > Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. > But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. > Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. > Beyond a wholesome discipline, > be gentle with yourself. > > You are a child of the universe, > no less than the trees and the stars; > you have a right to be here. > And whether or not it is clear to you, > no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. > > Therefore be at peace with God, > whatever you conceive Him to be, > and whatever your labors and aspirations, > in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. > > With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, > it is still a beautiful world. > Be cheerful. > Strive to be happy. > > Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952. sounds like max had a few personal problems. whereas those were as seriously 'felt' as 'personal as his 'is'.... if he could have lost the 'personal' part... he'd have seen there were no 'problem' from the start. don't take his sappy words 'personally' 'yourself'. why 'strive' when 'you' are happiness itself... even in 'your' mysterious miseries. if you understand the child's tale of the Golden Goose.. you already 'know'..that's what it's all about. now i must show alice the 'where' of the (w)hole.. " oh dear! oh dear! i shall be too late! " ....so says the timepiece. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Still applies perfectly. As a matter of fact since I first heard these > words. > The world has become what it is. lol. > > > Max Ehrmann > > > Desiderata > > Go placidly amid the noise and haste, > and remember what peace there may be in silence. > As far as possible without surrender > be on good terms with all persons. > Speak your truth quietly and clearly; > and listen to others, > even the dull and the ignorant; > they too have their story. > > Avoid loud and aggressive persons, > they are vexations to the spirit. > If you compare yourself with others, > you may become vain and bitter; > for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. > Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. > > Keep interested in your own career, however humble; > it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. > Exercise caution in your business affairs; > for the world is full of trickery. > But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; > many persons strive for high ideals; > and everywhere life is full of heroism. > > Be yourself. > Especially, do not feign affection. > Neither be cynical about love; > for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment > it is as perennial as the grass. > > Take kindly the counsel of the years, > gracefully surrendering the things of youth. > Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. > But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. > Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. > Beyond a wholesome discipline, > be gentle with yourself. > > You are a child of the universe, > no less than the trees and the stars; > you have a right to be here. > And whether or not it is clear to you, > no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. > > Therefore be at peace with God, > whatever you conceive Him to be, > and whatever your labors and aspirations, > in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. > > With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, > it is still a beautiful world. > Be cheerful. > Strive to be happy. > > Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952. > He tells us to remember, avoid, keep interested, take counsel, not to distress ourselves, and to strive.All of which are actions or attitudes not suject to anyone's control.the only counsel he gives that is within our grasp is: Be yourself. Do we need anyone to tell us that? Has anyone ever NOT done that? But it's a nice poem anyway. Zorrito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz right on, just catching up with the Z's. That's the whole stupid mess of searching for enlightenment. Eh? Signed, Poncho Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Still applies perfectly. As a matter of fact since I first heard > these > > words. > > The world has become what it is. lol. > > > > > > Max Ehrmann > > > > > > Desiderata > > > > Go placidly amid the noise and haste, > > and remember what peace there may be in silence. > > As far as possible without surrender > > be on good terms with all persons. > > Speak your truth quietly and clearly; > > and listen to others, > > even the dull and the ignorant; > > they too have their story. > > > > Avoid loud and aggressive persons, > > they are vexations to the spirit. > > If you compare yourself with others, > > you may become vain and bitter; > > for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. > > Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. > > > > Keep interested in your own career, however humble; > > it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. > > Exercise caution in your business affairs; > > for the world is full of trickery. > > But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; > > many persons strive for high ideals; > > and everywhere life is full of heroism. > > > > Be yourself. > > Especially, do not feign affection. > > Neither be cynical about love; > > for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment > > it is as perennial as the grass. > > > > Take kindly the counsel of the years, > > gracefully surrendering the things of youth. > > Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. > > But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. > > Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. > > Beyond a wholesome discipline, > > be gentle with yourself. > > > > You are a child of the universe, > > no less than the trees and the stars; > > you have a right to be here. > > And whether or not it is clear to you, > > no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. > > > > Therefore be at peace with God, > > whatever you conceive Him to be, > > and whatever your labors and aspirations, > > in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. > > > > With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, > > it is still a beautiful world. > > Be cheerful. > > Strive to be happy. > > > > Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952. > > > > He tells us to remember, avoid, keep interested, take counsel, not > to distress ourselves, and to strive.All of which are actions or > attitudes not suject to anyone's control.the only counsel he gives > that is within our grasp is: Be yourself. Do we need anyone to tell > us that? Has anyone ever NOT done that? But it's a nice poem anyway. > Zorrito > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz > > right on, just catching up with the Z's. That's the whole stupid > mess of searching for enlightenment. Eh? > > Signed, > Poncho sounds more like a note from Punchy. ..b b.b. ****************************nnb******************************************* > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Still applies perfectly. As a matter of fact since I first heard > > these > > > words. > > > The world has become what it is. lol. > > > > > > > > > Max Ehrmann > > > > > > > > > Desiderata > > > > > > Go placidly amid the noise and haste, > > > and remember what peace there may be in silence. > > > As far as possible without surrender > > > be on good terms with all persons. > > > Speak your truth quietly and clearly; > > > and listen to others, > > > even the dull and the ignorant; > > > they too have their story. > > > > > > Avoid loud and aggressive persons, > > > they are vexations to the spirit. > > > If you compare yourself with others, > > > you may become vain and bitter; > > > for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. > > > Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. > > > > > > Keep interested in your own career, however humble; > > > it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. > > > Exercise caution in your business affairs; > > > for the world is full of trickery. > > > But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; > > > many persons strive for high ideals; > > > and everywhere life is full of heroism. > > > > > > Be yourself. > > > Especially, do not feign affection. > > > Neither be cynical about love; > > > for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment > > > it is as perennial as the grass. > > > > > > Take kindly the counsel of the years, > > > gracefully surrendering the things of youth. > > > Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. > > > But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. > > > Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. > > > Beyond a wholesome discipline, > > > be gentle with yourself. > > > > > > You are a child of the universe, > > > no less than the trees and the stars; > > > you have a right to be here. > > > And whether or not it is clear to you, > > > no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. > > > > > > Therefore be at peace with God, > > > whatever you conceive Him to be, > > > and whatever your labors and aspirations, > > > in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. > > > > > > With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, > > > it is still a beautiful world. > > > Be cheerful. > > > Strive to be happy. > > > > > > Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952. > > > > > > > He tells us to remember, avoid, keep interested, take counsel, not > > to distress ourselves, and to strive.All of which are actions or > > attitudes not suject to anyone's control.the only counsel he gives > > that is within our grasp is: Be yourself. Do we need anyone to tell > > us that? Has anyone ever NOT done that? But it's a nice poem anyway. > > Zorrito > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Still applies perfectly. As a matter of fact since I first heard > these > > words. > > The world has become what it is. lol. > > > > > > Max Ehrmann > > > > > > Desiderata > > > > Go placidly amid the noise and haste, > > and remember what peace there may be in silence. > <..> > He tells us to remember, avoid, keep interested, take counsel, not > to distress ourselves, and to strive.All of which are actions or > attitudes not suject to anyone's control.the only counsel he gives > that is within our grasp is: Be yourself. Do we need anyone to tell > us that? Has anyone ever NOT done that? But it's a nice poem > anyway. > Zorrito > is this a no freewill post Tom ? Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz > > right on, just catching up with the Z's. That's the whole stupid > mess of searching for enlightenment. Eh? > > Signed, > Poncho > Searching for enlightenment? Totally silly! Wake up! " Self-Realization is effortless. What you are trying to find is what you already are. What people call realization or enlightenment already exists -- it is not something to be acquired. Therefore, any and every attempt to attain it is an exercise in self-defeating futility. By usurping the impersonal subjectivity of the one Absolute subject as that of an individual person, the human being commits the original sin and therefore comes under bondage. As soon as this mistaken identity is realized and the true identity as the one formless and eternal subject or witness is established, the bondage disappears and there is enlightenment. But... one cannot but carry on with that which is false until it drops off by itself. " ~Remesh Balsekar A Net of Jewels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 > > is this a no freewill post Tom ? > > Era > Of course! Please if you will explain what you mean by that term " freewill " anyway.People who believe in freewill are like those primitives who when first shown a radio think there is a little man in there talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 > > > > > is this a no freewill post Tom ? > > > > Era > > > Of course! Please if you will explain what you mean by that > term " freewill " anyway.People who believe in freewill are like those > primitives who when first shown a radio think there is a little man in > there talking. ohh haha you godfearing Tom, I must be that primitive. As much as I like Balsekar, his views on zilch freewill made him in my eyes one of the fundamentalists I dislike. I believe, that life happens while one is making other plans and that to be intune with that other plane [god's] as close as possible is a good thing. But for me to assign to the absolute denial of freewill would mean, that I am a machine and I would do myself in. OTOH if one is let " inside " by grace and has an opened thirdeye, sees the divine design and that it is all Ok and is able to relax into that design is the best, also called to be one with god's will. I've been there as a godintoxicated sufi. Now being cast outside hearing, that there is no freewill wakes up the rebel in me. As a legal question to sentence someone due to her/his actions where freewill blurs, there is only one Sate I agree with At the end, for me everything exists what is thought of, so does freewill. As Shankara answered to the premise: whatever is perceived is unreal, like a rope perceived in the shape of a snake. " No. Since it is Existence itself that is perceived otherwise through the duality of different forms, therefore, THERE IS NO NON-EXISTENCE OF ANYTHING ANYWHERE. That is what we say. " love, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > > > > > is this a no freewill post Tom ? > > > > > > Era > > > > > Of course! Please if you will explain what you mean by that > > term " freewill " anyway.People who believe in freewill are like those > > primitives who when first shown a radio think there is a little man in > > there talking. > > ohh haha you godfearing Tom, I must be that primitive. > > As much as I like Balsekar, his views on zilch freewill made him in my > eyes one of the fundamentalists I dislike. I believe, that life > happens while one is making other plans and that to be intune with > that other plane [god's] as close as possible is a good thing. But for > me to assign to the absolute denial of freewill would mean, that I am > a machine and I would do myself in. > > OTOH if one is let " inside " by grace and has an opened thirdeye, sees > the divine design and that it is all Ok and is able to relax into that > design is the best, also called to be one with god's will. I've been > there as a godintoxicated sufi. Now being cast outside hearing, that > there is no freewill wakes up the rebel in me. > > As a legal question to sentence someone due to her/his actions where > freewill blurs, there is only one Sate I agree with > > At the end, for me everything exists what is thought of, so does > freewill. As Shankara answered to the premise: whatever is perceived > is unreal, like a rope perceived in the shape of a snake. > > " No. Since it is Existence itself that is perceived otherwise through > the duality of different forms, therefore, THERE IS NO NON-EXISTENCE > OF ANYTHING ANYWHERE. > > That is what we say. " > > love, Era you don't say! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > is this a no freewill post Tom ? > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > Of course! Please if you will explain what you mean by that > > > term " freewill " anyway.People who believe in freewill are like those > > > primitives who when first shown a radio think there is a little > man in > > > there talking. > > > > ohh haha you godfearing Tom, I must be that primitive. > > > > As much as I like Balsekar, his views on zilch freewill made him in my > > eyes one of the fundamentalists I dislike. I believe, that life > > happens while one is making other plans and that to be intune with > > that other plane [god's] as close as possible is a good thing. But for > > me to assign to the absolute denial of freewill would mean, that I am > > a machine and I would do myself in. > > > > OTOH if one is let " inside " by grace and has an opened thirdeye, sees > > the divine design and that it is all Ok and is able to relax into that > > design is the best, also called to be one with god's will. I've been > > there as a godintoxicated sufi. Now being cast outside hearing, that > > there is no freewill wakes up the rebel in me. > > > > As a legal question to sentence someone due to her/his actions where > > freewill blurs, there is only one Sate I agree with > > > > At the end, for me everything exists what is thought of, so does > > freewill. As Shankara answered to the premise: whatever is perceived > > is unreal, like a rope perceived in the shape of a snake. > > > > " No. Since it is Existence itself that is perceived otherwise through > > the duality of different forms, therefore, THERE IS NO NON-EXISTENCE > > OF ANYTHING ANYWHERE. > > > > That is what we say. " > > > > love, Era > > > > you don't say! > > .b b.b. > ohh ! bö bö bö Bobbeh ! I dare not to speak in your presence you manly beast. I just noticed, did Shankara speak in royal plural as: " That is what we say. " hm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is this a no freewill post Tom ? > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > Of course! Please if you will explain what you mean by that > > > > term " freewill " anyway.People who believe in freewill are like > those > > > > primitives who when first shown a radio think there is a little > > man in > > > > there talking. > > > > > > ohh haha you godfearing Tom, I must be that primitive. > > > > > > As much as I like Balsekar, his views on zilch freewill made him in my > > > eyes one of the fundamentalists I dislike. I believe, that life > > > happens while one is making other plans and that to be intune with > > > that other plane [god's] as close as possible is a good thing. But for > > > me to assign to the absolute denial of freewill would mean, that I am > > > a machine and I would do myself in. > > > > > > OTOH if one is let " inside " by grace and has an opened thirdeye, sees > > > the divine design and that it is all Ok and is able to relax into that > > > design is the best, also called to be one with god's will. I've been > > > there as a godintoxicated sufi. Now being cast outside hearing, that > > > there is no freewill wakes up the rebel in me. > > > > > > As a legal question to sentence someone due to her/his actions where > > > freewill blurs, there is only one Sate I agree with > > > > > > At the end, for me everything exists what is thought of, so does > > > freewill. As Shankara answered to the premise: whatever is perceived > > > is unreal, like a rope perceived in the shape of a snake. > > > > > > " No. Since it is Existence itself that is perceived otherwise through > > > the duality of different forms, therefore, THERE IS NO NON-EXISTENCE > > > OF ANYTHING ANYWHERE. > > > > > > That is what we say. " > > > > > > love, Era > > > > > > > > you don't say! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > ohh ! bö bö bö Bobbeh ! I dare not to speak in your presence > > you manly beast. > > I just noticed, did Shankara speak in royal plural as: > > " That is what we say. " > > hm > ol' Shank was a dilettante dabbler. thus We have said! So Let It Be Written! oh hell..it already has been written...in pixels if not spades. LOL ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > > > > > . But for > me to assign to the absolute denial of freewill would mean, that I am > a machine and I would do myself in. > >You are so right! To give up freewill would kill you--and you don't want to end. Look, freewill is like somebody tryng to pull himself up by his own bootstraps.Try doing that sometime just for a little exercise in futility.Even God doesn't have freewill--what would he need it for anyway? Things just happen. Thoughts and desires and decisions and " freewill " just happen. Can't you see that? Zorroelhumilde > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 should I now follow your advise or not, to me it is free will if I do, to you it is confusion, lol.tom <jeusisbuen wrote: Nisargadatta , "Era" <mi_nok wrote:>> >> > > > > > . But for> me to assign to the absolute denial of freewill would mean, that I am> a machine and I would do myself in.> >You are so right! To give up freewill would kill you--and you don't want to end. Look, freewill is like somebody tryng to pull himself up by his own bootstraps.Try doing that sometime just for a little exercise in futility.Even God doesn't have freewill--what would he need it for anyway? Things just happen. Thoughts and desires and decisions and "freewill" just happen. Can't you see that? Zorroelhumilde> Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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