Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 > [...] > > > Without the belief in *God*, to whom, > > why and how would I ever complain??? > Simply being without belief in a God other than I AM makes me peaceful because it takes away all the possibilities. It takes away possibilities, assumption, speculations, thoughts, questions, imagination of being something else, of being something other. I AM that I AM. At any moment... I AM That I AM. Belief in any other God always naturally brings stress, complains and turmoil. It brings stress because it a lie and it is based on denying Only reality that I Know the reality that I AM. It brings complains because I assume an external God, a God different than I AM that I imagine could have/should have done something different. When I rest firmly in Self, I know my attribute-less nature totally independent from the world and totally devoid of the need to do anything. I simply Am. I AM. I know world to be creation of the ego and ago alone... good ego, bad ego. Ego deeply identified with a body or ego with knowledge of Self, the Reality beyond body. Ego centered on one body or ego which is able to SEE beyond one body. Ego driven by fear and Greed or ego driven by Love and Peace. Yet, world in its entirety is the creation of the ego alone and the world is perceived, enjoyed and needed by the ego only. The self [ego] that worries about the world is the same self[ego] that creates it and that is the only self that suffers in it, needs it and that is the only self that can do something about it. The Attribute-less Self beyond needs and worries does and can have NO worries or concerns about the world created by the ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Giving away the imaginary stories of Gods with form, I realize that I AM All that I really know; rest is just my imagination. I AM the God [unmanifested Reality] and ego is my son. Ego lives in duality. Ego lives in opposites; it lives in pain and pleasure, in fear and love. Ego gets crucified at the cross of the world and experiences agony and pain and it complains against the father [The Reality, the God]. Yet, ego's complains only amplify its agonies and pain, for it attempts to assign responsibility for an imperfect, ego-created, dual world to the nondual, formless Reality I AM. Ego's agonies don't end until it willingly forgives all its enemies. Having forgiven all its enemies and having relinquished its complains; it then rests in me and experiences Serenity and Peace of my realm. Because the complain against I AM, against the formless, attribute-less Reality I AM is the primary reason behind the emergence of the ego. An ego devoid of complains against the God [Reality, formless Self, I AM] ceases to exist as a separate self. An Ego devoid of complains becomes merged in ME and becomes One with the Reality I AM. It then assumes responsibility only as my willing servant and only due to its own desire of spreading divine Love - compelled by compassion, such an ego willingly accepts tortures of the dual world as the sacrifice that it has chosen in order to spread divine love. An ego unwilling to forgive enemies is an ego dedicated to its own pain, because, for a every pain that it wishes for its enemies, it has to suffer itself first. Every ounce of anger, hatred, revenge, guilt, contempt and shame that it has for its enemies will burn its own heart first and further alienate it from the Father, the God, the Reality I AM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 [...] > An ego unwilling to forgive enemies is > an ego dedicated to its own pain, > because, for a every pain that it > wishes for its enemies, it has to > suffer itself first. Every ounce of > anger, hatred, revenge, guilt, contempt > and shame that it has for its enemies > will burn its own heart first and > further alienate it from the Father, > the God, the Reality I AM. > I AM That I AM. I AM incomprehensible, indescribable and unknowable by ego. I am unknowable as a thing, as a form, as a manifested. Though, all forms are born out of and return to the Unmanifested Reality I AM - I AM beyond all forms. Ego can only surrender to the Unknowable [by ego] Reality I AM, merge into ME and thus, experience Peace and Serenity of my Realm. Ego that attempts to define me, the Father, the God as a form, the ego that looks for and worships a God other the Formless Unknowable Reality I AM the Only Reality that it KNOWS in its own Heart; gets increasingly confused and alienated. Such a confused ego then experiences suffering, as attempts to serve a lie that it can maintain by constant arduous effort and at the expense of ignoring effortless Peace and Love of the Reality I AM that lies in its own Heart. An ego confused in looking for ME as a form turns its eyes away from the Only Formless Reality I AM and looks for me in imaginary forms based on lies. Ignoring the effortless natural TRUTH the it knows in its own Heart, turning its vision outward and looking for ME in its imagination, such an ego gets increasingly confused and alienated. ----- Well, that surely has been the experience of an ego as I have had serious dissatisfaction with the Formless, attribute-less, non-doer Reality I AM and have thus attempted to look for a *God* of desired [imagined by *me* the ego] form and shape. I have experienced lot of pain myself as I have attempted to constantly project the guilt, shame and complains of the 'dual' world to the formless, non-doer, nondual Reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 >Ego is a wonderful entity--if it did not already exist it would have to be invented--the only problem with it comes when its' claims to autonomy, free will, sovereignty (independence) and agency--ability to act--are taken seriously.In other words, when it takes itself seriously as the source of the I AM. Zorrito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > >Ego is a wonderful entity--if it did not already exist it would have > to be invented--the only problem with it comes when its' claims to > autonomy, free will, sovereignty (independence) and agency--ability to > act--are taken seriously.In other words, when it takes itself > seriously as the source of the I AM. Zorrito seriously or jovially Ego is nonexistent. this has been established.... by .b bobji baba's development of 'Iam Thinkodynamics'... a vital and fundamental theory..... which veritably and sure enough... comes way before... and goes way beyond... 'Quantum Mechanics'. eat your heart out Heisenberg! call this 'Iam Thinkodynamics' baba's 'Certainty Principle'. ....and this cojoins nicely with Relativity (special and general). indeed it is the long quested 'Theory of Nothing'. a far more awesome Truth than any 'Theory of Everything'. this Truth Revolution does away entirely with any 'things' at all. ..b b.b. p.s.(st).... signed copies of the original proofs and manuscript are available... in unlimited numbers.. and at a fair price. the shipping costs are however astronomical. this is due to the high costs of " Flying Carpet " Delivery. talk to me...how many do you need? (.b bobji b.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > >Ego is a wonderful entity--if it did > not already exist it would have > to be invented--the only problem with > it comes when its' claims to > autonomy, free will, sovereignty > (independence) and agency--ability to > act--are taken seriously.In other words, > when it takes itself > seriously as the source of the I AM. Zorrito To me, ego is as real as the *world* To me, world is as real as the poster I am replying to right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 > > To me, ego is as real as the *world* > > > To me, world is as real as the poster > I am replying to right now. > Yes, it is just as real as this poster is to you--i,.e. completely imaginary.Thought-built.Memory-built.But with a structure and a function. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > >Ego is a wonderful entity--if it did not already exist it would have > > to be invented--the only problem with it comes when its' claims to > > autonomy, free will, sovereignty (independence) and agency-- ability to > > act--are taken seriously.In other words, when it takes itself > > seriously as the source of the I AM. Zorrito > > > > seriously or jovially Ego is nonexistent. > > this has been established.... > > by .b bobji baba's development of 'Iam Thinkodynamics'... > > a vital and fundamental theory..... > > which veritably and sure enough... > > comes way before... > > and goes way beyond... > > 'Quantum Mechanics'. > > eat your heart out Heisenberg! > > call this 'Iam Thinkodynamics' baba's 'Certainty Principle'. > > ...and this cojoins nicely with Relativity (special and general). > > indeed it is the long quested 'Theory of Nothing'. > > a far more awesome Truth than any 'Theory of Everything'. > > this Truth Revolution does away entirely with any 'things' at all. > > .b b.b. > > p.s.(st).... > > signed copies of the original proofs and manuscript are available... > > in unlimited numbers.. > > and at a fair price. > > the shipping costs are however astronomical. > > this is due to the high costs of " Flying Carpet " Delivery. > > talk to me...how many do you need? > > (.b bobji b.) > Yes, ego does not exist and yet it is something with a name and has been a problem to many. How is that? Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > To me, ego is as real as the *world* > > > > > > To me, world is as real as the poster > > I am replying to right now. > > > > Yes, it is just as real as this poster is to you--i,.e. completely > imaginary.Thought-built.Memory-built.But with a structure and a > function. Z as 'real' as an irrational number.. and twice as transcendental. as precise as pi... and as imaginable as the square root of -1 see baba's book: 'Laughs with Math and Mind " not available in stores or spacetime anywhere. drop deliveries from his magic carpet may be arranged. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > >Ego is a wonderful entity--if it did not already exist it would > have > > > to be invented--the only problem with it comes when its' claims > to > > > autonomy, free will, sovereignty (independence) and agency-- > ability to > > > act--are taken seriously.In other words, when it takes itself > > > seriously as the source of the I AM. Zorrito > > > > > > > > seriously or jovially Ego is nonexistent. > > > > this has been established.... > > > > by .b bobji baba's development of 'Iam Thinkodynamics'... > > > > a vital and fundamental theory..... > > > > which veritably and sure enough... > > > > comes way before... > > > > and goes way beyond... > > > > 'Quantum Mechanics'. > > > > eat your heart out Heisenberg! > > > > call this 'Iam Thinkodynamics' baba's 'Certainty Principle'. > > > > ...and this cojoins nicely with Relativity (special and general). > > > > indeed it is the long quested 'Theory of Nothing'. > > > > a far more awesome Truth than any 'Theory of Everything'. > > > > this Truth Revolution does away entirely with any 'things' at all. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > p.s.(st).... > > > > signed copies of the original proofs and manuscript are > available... > > > > in unlimited numbers.. > > > > and at a fair price. > > > > the shipping costs are however astronomical. > > > > this is due to the high costs of " Flying Carpet " Delivery. > > > > talk to me...how many do you need? > > > > (.b bobji b.) > > > > Yes, ego does not exist and yet it is something with a name and has > been a problem to many. How is that? Z > :-) that's pretty good... but.. i don't know how that is. it's kinda like an empty paranthetical in a math equation... and probably as really unreal as 'it' is. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > To me, ego is as real as the *world* > > > > > > To me, world is as real as the poster > > I am replying to right now. > > > > Yes, it is just as real as this poster is to you--i,.e. completely > imaginary.Thought-built.Memory-built.But with a structure and a > function. Z Yet, it wouldn't say that there are no posters on Nisargadatta group And, I wouldn't deny that there is a poster with id " tom " <jeusisbuen on on Nisargadatta group Yes, when I am not, neither Nisargadatta group nor its posters exist for me. Yes, when I am alseep, neither Nisargadatta group nor its posters exist for me. Yes, when I am not thinking, neither Nisargadatta group nor its posters exist for me. But, the fact is that I am, A am awake and I am thinking... and, that is the level at which I am talking, that is the level at which I deal with the *world*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > To me, ego is as real as the *world* > > > > > > > > > To me, world is as real as the poster > > > I am replying to right now. > > > > > > > Yes, it is just as real as this poster is to you--i,.e. completely > > imaginary.Thought-built.Memory-built.But with a structure and a > > function. Z > > Yet, it wouldn't say that there are no posters > on Nisargadatta group > > And, I wouldn't deny that there is a poster > with id " tom " <jeusisbuen@> on on Nisargadatta group > > > Yes, when I am not, > neither Nisargadatta group nor > its posters exist for me. > > Yes, when I am alseep, > neither Nisargadatta group nor > its posters exist for me. > > > Yes, when I am not thinking, > neither Nisargadatta group nor > its posters exist for me. > > > > But, the fact is that > I am, A am awake and I am thinking... > > and, that is the level at which I am talking, > that is the level at which I deal with the *world*. what's a 'fact'? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 [...] > > > > To me, ego is as real as the *world* > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, world is as real as the poster > > > > I am replying to right now. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is just as real as this poster is to you--i,.e. completely > > > imaginary.Thought-built.Memory-built.But with a structure and a > > > function. Z > > > > Yet, it wouldn't say that there are no posters > > on Nisargadatta group > > > > And, I wouldn't deny that there is a poster > > with id " tom " <jeusisbuen@> on on Nisargadatta group > > > > > > Yes, when I am not, > > neither Nisargadatta nor Nisargadatta group nor > > its posters exist for me. > > > > Yes, when I am alseep, > > neither Nisargadatta nor Nisargadatta group nor > > its posters exist for me. > > > > > > Yes, when I am not thinking, > > neither Nisargadatta nor Nisargadatta group nor > > its posters exist for me. > > > > > > > > But, the fact is that > > I am, A am awake and I am thinking... > > > > and, that is the level at which I am talking, > > that is the level at which I deal with the *world*. > > > what's a 'fact'? something known to exist or to have happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 > > what's a 'fact'? > > .b b.b. > A fact? Imaginary entity. At the end of the day there is nothing but isness.And poor Isness is very often burdened with non-isnesses of various kinds.Ego, God, Country, Philosophy, Religion, Family, Body, Fact. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > > To me, ego is as real as the *world* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, world is as real as the poster > > > > > I am replying to right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is just as real as this poster is to you--i,.e. > completely > > > > imaginary.Thought-built.Memory-built.But with a structure and > a > > > > function. Z > > > > > > Yet, it wouldn't say that there are no posters > > > on Nisargadatta group > > > > > > And, I wouldn't deny that there is a poster > > > with id " tom " <jeusisbuen@> on on Nisargadatta group > > > > > > > > > Yes, when I am not, > > > neither Nisargadatta nor Nisargadatta group nor > > > its posters exist for me. > > > > > > Yes, when I am alseep, > > > neither Nisargadatta nor Nisargadatta group nor > > > its posters exist for me. > > > > > > > > > Yes, when I am not thinking, > > > neither Nisargadatta nor Nisargadatta group nor > > > its posters exist for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, the fact is that > > > I am, A am awake and I am thinking... > > > > > > and, that is the level at which I am talking, > > > that is the level at which I deal with the *world*. > > > > > > what's a 'fact'? > > > something known to exist or to have happened 'what' is this 'something' that 'exists'? 'who' 'knows' this 'thing' of some sort? 'what' is 'happening'? 'where' is 'it' 'happening'? 'how' does it 'happen'? and... why is this? and indeed...what does 'existence' and/or 'happen' even mean? methinks that only 'no one' and 'nothing' can be a given answer. an answer without meaning..answering no one's question... a question without meaning..asked of no one. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > what's a 'fact'? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > A fact? Imaginary entity. At the end of the day there is nothing but > isness.And poor Isness is very often burdened with non-isnesses of > various kinds.Ego, God, Country, Philosophy, Religion, Family, Body, > Fact. Z 'isness' is the burdening. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 > > " .............. The self [ego] that worries about the > world is the same self[ego] that creates > it and that is the only self that suffers > in it, needs it and that is the only self > that can do something about it. > The Attribute-less Self beyond needs > and worries does and can have NO > worries or concerns about the > world created by the ego. " yes.... " World is a creation of ego " Marc Ps: when ego mind come to end..... " world " is still there..... before....there were no choice about playing a role....in the ego- minded appearing world.... after....the ego mind had gone.......there is no choice anymore .....to play any role, for real.....again ....in being Home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > >Ego is a wonderful entity--if it did not already exist it would have > > to be invented--the only problem with it comes when its' claims to > > autonomy, free will, sovereignty (independence) and agency-- ability to > > act--are taken seriously.In other words, when it takes itself > > seriously as the source of the I AM. Zorrito > > > > seriously or jovially Ego is nonexistent. > > this has been established.... > > by .b bobji baba's development of 'Iam Thinkodynamics'... > > a vital and fundamental theory..... > > which veritably and sure enough... > > comes way before... > > and goes way beyond... > > 'Quantum Mechanics'. > > eat your heart out Heisenberg! > > call this 'Iam Thinkodynamics' baba's 'Certainty Principle'. > > ...and this cojoins nicely with Relativity (special and general). > > indeed it is the long quested 'Theory of Nothing'. > > a far more awesome Truth than any 'Theory of Everything'. > > this Truth Revolution does away entirely with any 'things' at all. > > .b b.b. > > p.s.(st).... > > signed copies of the original proofs and manuscript are available... > > in unlimited numbers.. > > and at a fair price. > > the shipping costs are however astronomical. > > this is due to the high costs of " Flying Carpet " Delivery. > > talk to me...how many do you need? > > (.b bobji b.) > ....pssst, don't you forget something.....King of lttlmn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > what's a 'fact'? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > A fact? Imaginary entity. At the end of the day there is nothing but > > isness.And poor Isness is very often burdened with non-isnesses of > > various kinds.Ego, God, Country, Philosophy, Religion, Family, Body, > > Fact. Z > > > 'isness' is the burdening. > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 > > > 'isness' is the burdening. > > .b b.b. > So it is. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > >Ego is a wonderful entity--if it did not already exist it would > have > > > to be invented--the only problem with it comes when its' claims > to > > > autonomy, free will, sovereignty (independence) and agency-- > ability to > > > act--are taken seriously.In other words, when it takes itself > > > seriously as the source of the I AM. Zorrito > > > > > > > > seriously or jovially Ego is nonexistent. > > > > this has been established.... > > > > by .b bobji baba's development of 'Iam Thinkodynamics'... > > > > a vital and fundamental theory..... > > > > which veritably and sure enough... > > > > comes way before... > > > > and goes way beyond... > > > > 'Quantum Mechanics'. > > > > eat your heart out Heisenberg! > > > > call this 'Iam Thinkodynamics' baba's 'Certainty Principle'. > > > > ...and this cojoins nicely with Relativity (special and general). > > > > indeed it is the long quested 'Theory of Nothing'. > > > > a far more awesome Truth than any 'Theory of Everything'. > > > > this Truth Revolution does away entirely with any 'things' at all. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > p.s.(st).... > > > > signed copies of the original proofs and manuscript are available... > > > > in unlimited numbers.. > > > > and at a fair price. > > > > the shipping costs are however astronomical. > > > > this is due to the high costs of " Flying Carpet " Delivery. > > > > talk to me...how many do you need? > > > > (.b bobji b.) > > > > ...pssst, don't you forget something.....King of lttlmn? > >mstrdmmlbrnrobbyamory hey shorty! finally recognized me as your King i see. good stuff skyzie. now get over yourself dumbo.. pull up your pants.... turn your baseball hat around the right way... grow up.. get a job. LOL! look dumbo..don't you have any self respect? oops!..that's right...nothing there to respect. well...just get on with it and carry on little soldier.. and thanks for the morning laugh. psst...you're the laughingstock of the group.. and every list.. every group... every party..needs a pooper that's why you're here.. and why you are a stinky little shrimp too. ROFLlMAO! ..b b.b. p.s. now contact one or another of the shoulders that you cry on. if it's the right one..we'll enjoy a private double laugh. they pity you..but they too can't stop giggling at your sorry ass. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > > > 'isness' is the burdening. > > > > .b b.b. > > > So it is. Z > now just for fun: is that a fact? or.. is that...THAT? :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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