Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 When this whole process of thought, time and fear is seen, not as an idea, an intellectual formula, then there is total ending of fear, conscious or hidden. Self-understanding is the awakening and ending of fear. And when fear ceases, then the power to breed illusion, myth, visions, with their hope and despair also ceases, and then only begins a movement of going beyond consciousness, which is thought and feeling. It is the emptying of the innermost recesses and deep hidden wants and desires. Then when there is this total emptiness, when there is absolutely and literally nothing, no influence, no value, no frontier, no word, then in that complete stillness of time-space, there is that which is unnameable. (Krishnamurti's notebook part 4, Paris 4th september to 25th september 1961) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > When this whole process of thought, time and fear is seen, not as an > idea, an intellectual formula, then there is total ending of fear, > conscious or hidden. Self-understanding is the awakening and ending of > fear. > > And when fear ceases, then the power to breed illusion, myth, visions, > with their hope and despair also ceases, and then only begins a > movement of going beyond consciousness, which is thought and feeling. > It is the emptying of the innermost recesses and deep hidden wants and > desires. Then when there is this total emptiness, when there is > absolutely and literally nothing, no influence, no value, no frontier, > no word, then in that complete stillness of time-space, there is that > which is unnameable. > > (Krishnamurti's notebook part 4, Paris 4th september to 25th september > 1961) > Time is thought.Fear--the kind of fear he is talking about, the slow fire that burns away the lining of the stomach--needs time into which it can look ahead and worry about what it sees.See that time is illusory, non-existant, and you eliminate the petrie dish wherein the mold of fear has its' thriving. That is the Krishnamurti position. I suppose when he says " see " he means an actual, clear, and ongoing seeing. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > When this whole process of thought, time and fear is seen, not as > an > > idea, an intellectual formula, then there is total ending of fear, > > conscious or hidden. Self-understanding is the awakening and > ending of > > fear. > > > > And when fear ceases, then the power to breed illusion, myth, > visions, > > with their hope and despair also ceases, and then only begins a > > movement of going beyond consciousness, which is thought and > feeling. > > It is the emptying of the innermost recesses and deep hidden wants > and its > > desires. Then when there is this total emptiness, when there is > > absolutely and literally nothing, no influence, no value, no > frontier, > > no word, then in that complete stillness of time-space, there is > that > > which is unnameable. > > > > (Krishnamurti's notebook part 4, Paris 4th september to 25th > september > > 1961) > > > > Time is thought.Fear--the kind of fear he is talking about, the slow > fire that burns away the lining of the stomach--needs time into > which it can look ahead and worry about what it sees.See that time > is illusory, non-existant, and you eliminate the petrie dish wherein > the mold of fear has its' thriving. That is the Krishnamurti > position. I suppose when he says " see " he means an actual, clear, > and ongoing seeing. Z > Hi Tom, When K spoke of time he mostly meant 'psyhological time' which is the mind's movement from the past to the future. And so he pointed at that the future is the projection of the past which one can find again in 'becoming' which for example is the movement of ambition, I am a nobody and I will become a somebody. This all will create pschological time. He also explained that fear is the movement away from. For example the creation of ideals is the movement away from what is and therefore it creates fear. As he said " Behind every ideal is the inability to stand pain " . Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 > > > Hi Tom, > > When K spoke of time he mostly meant 'psyhological time' which is the > mind's movement from the past to the future. And so he pointed at > that the future is the projection of the past which one can find > again in 'becoming' which for example is the movement of ambition, I > am a nobody and I will become a somebody. This all will create > pschological time. > > He also explained that fear is the movement away from. For example > the creation of ideals is the movement away from what is and > therefore it creates fear. As he said " Behind every ideal is the > inability to stand pain " . > > Werner > Hello Werner, I have read a lot of K and like him well.It is certainly true that a love for " what is " saves a guy a lot of trouble figuring out how to avoid it. " what is " is like a big wild horse.You can ride it without too much damage if you make sure you keep your rear-end glued to the horses back. Let there develop any distance between your backside and the horses back and you have what is known as a problem.The more the distance, the bigger the problem. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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