Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Hello Bob, > > when I say: " why are you so defensive? " > You say " Baba is not defensive " true..the truth speaks through the baba. and the truth is i have nothing to defend. try and remember stefan... baba HAS said that he is nothing. given that the truth has spoken thusly through baba.. what possibly could there be in 'nothing' to defend. do you require a cited quote of the baba's whereby he has said this? i know you don't care for looking at what really has been said.. but if needs be..bobji will supply that quote. > When I say " you react " > You say: " Those aren't reactions " true those were not reactions but rather responses..just as this is. you didn't study logic in university did you? nor mathematical number theory. right? ok. X is true 'because' there is a proof of X. X is true and 'so there' is a proof of X. the first half asserts that proofs are guarantors of truth.. the second half asserts that where there is a regularity, there is reason. to doubt the either half would be unthinkable. to doubt the first would be to imagine that a proved statement could be false! which would make a mockery of the notion of 'proof'. to doubt the second line would be to imagine that there could be perfect, exceptionless patterns that go on forever... yet that do so without rhyme nor reason. you seem to posses an unbelievably quirky imagination. regardless of what has been said or proven.. you seem to MUST have it your way.. way beyond or even before there is any 'reasoning'. this may indeed beyond your ken... though it is in fact the 'given' of any rational proofs or statements. in mathematics, logic, philosophy...well darn..the list encompasses all fields of endeavor and human thought, calculation, science or even spirituality....EVEN music theory. trust me. conversely.. X is false 'because' there is no proof of X X is false 'and so' there is no proof of X. without your understanding of these basic premises.. we find the 'wherein' of your delusional misunderstanding of baba's doings. well let us move on to my replies.. (as opposed to 'reactions..two quite different terms kiddo) baba wouldn't dream of not affably and appropriately responding to your posts.. and doing so without care or reactive elements. to act reactively would just be to thwart the assistance i freely am giving you. and no thanks are required. baba is kind and gentle by nature and... gracious beyond measure in his compassion for the lost. hallelujah! hallelujah! > When I say " You believe not to believe " > You say " Baba has no beliefs " yes this also is true. a dark truth for those without Understanding. but truth nonetheless. > When I say " why do you feel hurt " > You say " Baba cannot be hurt " > etc etc... and again true. i'm astounded that you have finally stated correctly a few of baba's statements. good for stevie and two points and a silver sticker star for your diary this day. i'm proud of you son! > See, those are mere reactions: > defensive, predictable, automatic... no i don't see that at all stevie. i don't think many would. however your reactions to my attempts at edifying you.. are most certainly all that. do try and follow the Laws of Form and Reason as outlined above. once seen and understood and not merely observed as 'words'.. those magical formulas.will light a bulb inside you like a sun. you will quit existing in your lost dark world of misunderstanding. you will still have a long road ahead..but you will at least have taken a first baby step. > " Little Stefan has misunderstood me " > And on and on you go > Like a 5 year old boy. well? you display the reasoning powers of one even younger. or do you here refer to baba? if so.. it's because the reasoning power of a 5 year old boy is so far beyond your own capacity that that power seems to be the summit of mind. it's not stevie..and i think you should know this. there are realms and dominions and domains far more pleasurable and true. and that's a wonderful thing stefan. > But thats how our minds do function, > They are meant to be survival tools, > > Amazing, isn't it > > Greetings > Stefan speak for yourself stefie. i can well see that you are striving to survive.. in waters much too deep for you. that's hardly amazing and it is kind of brainless too. but exercises such as i have suggested will strengthen that mind.. and will do so without imperiling it's limited ability. baba guarantees your survival steve. you have always been and will always be. just what you be is up to you unfortunately.. and with the way this is going i fear that it will be a super long journey towards an understanding of what is what. but as bobji has promised...he will not desert you. keep up the effort and he will keep up the assistance. helping you always, ..b b.b. ***************************NNB**************************************** > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > > > I have a few questions. > > > > > > Why do you write again and again > > > that your reactions are not defensive? > > > > > > > > those aren't 'reactions' steve.. > > > > those are replies. > > > > why do you feel that a reply is reactive? > > > > i don't follow you. > > > > you seem to react to my replies...and i respond to your reaction. > > > > this is hardly defensive.. > > > > this is courteous. > > > > why is this so difficult for you to grasp? > > > > i realize it's not your task as you have stated, > > > > but gosh darn it all kiddo you are misreading everything written.. > > > > as well as everything intended by those writings. > > > > i'm assisting you in coming to Light. > > > > are you truly so lightheaded as to not understand this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you explain why it is so important to you > > > to repeat this over and over? > > > I really wonder, because AFAIK there is nobody here > > > who is accusing you because of this. > > > > > > > > again and again i explain to you that i MUST repeat and repeat... > > > > for your edification and need. > > > > and must repeat and repeat that it is not important to me.. > > > > NOTHING is important to baba.. > > > > and ONLY 'nothing' IS.... and is important. > > > > baba is the perfect expression of this... > > > > " nothing' that is 'all and everything'... > > > > in truth and in sincerity. > > > > the need for such repetition is obvious. > > > > you can't seem to 'get' this simple truth. > > > > baba's graciousness is limitless. > > > > he will repeat seven times seventy times if needs be > > > > just as he forgives your missing the mark eternally. > > > > in baba's Home there are many dimensions of truth and awareness. > > > > he has prepared one for you. > > > > it awaits your awakening and will bring you great joy and tidings of > > > > actual freedom from your expressed anger and fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, I wonder why you call me " superior " , > > > I think I am not so much different from you. > > > > > > Greetings > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > and again i am required to state to you what baba REALLY said.. > > > > not what you have mistakenly read into what he said. > > > > he said you 'think'...'feel'...express yourself'..as superior. > > > > in no way have i ever thought or said that you were superior. > > > > baba doesn't lie. > > > > you absolutely are NOT superior.. > > > > that's the truth and it's the truth speaking through baba. > > > > let me challenge you again to cite the quote from .b b.b. that states > > > > that you ARE superior. > > > > it is nonexistent and you know it. > > > > are you old enough to have truly been influenced by the idea of the > > > > " Big Lie " eventually being accepted by the masses or anyone? > > > > you certainly seem to be under it's spell. > > > > it totally won't work my little warrior. > > > > LOL! > > > > p.s. > > > > you have been spending many minutes beyond five that you can afford. > > > > perhaps things will clear up for you if you have a nap. > > > > naps always relieve cranky children. > > > > afterwards they are refreshed and can possibly understand that the > > > > tender reprimands of those who are aware of more is for their own > > > > benefit. > > > > yep...you need some warm milk and a nap. > > > > rock a bye baby. > > > > LOL! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: >true..the truth speaks through the baba. >and the truth is i have nothing to defend. This is good, Bob, great, very good. But already in the next sentence you start to defend your truth: >try and remember stefan... >baba HAS said that he is nothing. The truth does not need the backup of what has been said in the past Moreover this is of no use because the Baba has also stated many times That he is *something* >given that the truth has spoken thusly through baba.. >what possibly could there be in 'nothing' to defend. Again, very good, and it looks for a moment as if you have finally understood what I am telling you all the time: There is nothing to be defended. But, alas, now you go on to defend that you have nothing to defend in another looong speech (quoted below) Don't you also feel that this is boring? Stefan > do you require a cited quote of the baba's whereby he has said this? > > i know you don't care for looking at what really has been said.. > > but if needs be..bobji will supply that quote. > > > When I say " you react " > > You say: " Those aren't reactions " > > true those were not reactions but rather responses..just as this is. > > you didn't study logic in university did you? > > nor mathematical number theory. > > right? > > ok. > > X is true 'because' there is a proof of X. > > X is true and 'so there' is a proof of X. > > the first half asserts that proofs are guarantors of truth.. > > the second half asserts that where there is a regularity, there is > > reason. > > to doubt the either half would be unthinkable. > > to doubt the first would be to imagine that a proved statement could > > be false! > > which would make a mockery of the notion of 'proof'. > > to doubt the second line would be to imagine that there could be > > perfect, exceptionless patterns that go on forever... > > yet that do so without rhyme nor reason. > > you seem to posses an unbelievably quirky imagination. > > regardless of what has been said or proven.. > > you seem to MUST have it your way.. > > way beyond or even before there is any 'reasoning'. > > this may indeed beyond your ken... > > though it is in fact the 'given' of any rational proofs or statements. > > in mathematics, logic, philosophy...well darn..the list encompasses > > all fields of endeavor and human thought, calculation, science or even > > spirituality....EVEN music theory. > > trust me. > > conversely.. > > X is false 'because' there is no proof of X > > X is false 'and so' there is no proof of X. > > without your understanding of these basic premises.. > > we find the 'wherein' of your delusional misunderstanding of baba's > > doings. > > well let us move on to my replies.. > > (as opposed to 'reactions..two quite different terms kiddo) > > baba wouldn't dream of not affably and appropriately responding to > > your posts.. > > and doing so without care or reactive elements. > > to act reactively would just be to thwart the assistance i freely am > > giving you. > > and no thanks are required. > > baba is kind and gentle by nature and... > > gracious beyond measure in his compassion for the lost. > > hallelujah! hallelujah! > > > > > > When I say " You believe not to believe " > > You say " Baba has no beliefs " > > > > > yes this also is true. > > a dark truth for those without Understanding. > > but truth nonetheless. > > > > > > When I say " why do you feel hurt " > > You say " Baba cannot be hurt " > > etc etc... > > > > > > and again true. > > i'm astounded that you have finally stated correctly a few of baba's > > statements. > > good for stevie and two points and a silver sticker star for your > > diary this day. > > i'm proud of you son! > > > > > > > See, those are mere reactions: > > defensive, predictable, automatic... > > > > no i don't see that at all stevie. > > i don't think many would. > > however your reactions to my attempts at edifying you.. > > are most certainly all that. > > do try and follow the Laws of Form and Reason as outlined above. > > once seen and understood and not merely observed as 'words'.. > > those magical formulas.will light a bulb inside you like a sun. > > you will quit existing in your lost dark world of misunderstanding. > > you will still have a long road ahead..but you will at least have > > taken a first baby step. > > > > " Little Stefan has misunderstood me " > > And on and on you go > > Like a 5 year old boy. > > > > well? > > you display the reasoning powers of one even younger. > > or do you here refer to baba? > > if so.. > > it's because the reasoning power of a 5 year old boy is so far beyond > > your own capacity that that power seems to be the summit of mind. > > it's not stevie..and i think you should know this. > > there are realms and dominions and domains far more pleasurable and > > true. > > and that's a wonderful thing stefan. > > > > > > But thats how our minds do function, > > They are meant to be survival tools, > > > > Amazing, isn't it > > > > Greetings > > Stefan > > > > speak for yourself stefie. > > i can well see that you are striving to survive.. > > in waters much too deep for you. > > that's hardly amazing and it is kind of brainless too. > > but exercises such as i have suggested will strengthen that mind.. > > and will do so without imperiling it's limited ability. > > baba guarantees your survival steve. > > you have always been and will always be. > > just what you be is up to you unfortunately.. > > and with the way this is going i fear that it will be a super long > > journey towards an understanding of what is what. > > but as bobji has promised...he will not desert you. > > keep up the effort and he will keep up the assistance. > > helping you always, > > .b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > >true..the truth speaks through the baba. > >and the truth is i have nothing to defend. > > This is good, Bob, great, very good. > But already in the next sentence > you start to defend your truth: > > >try and remember stefan... > >baba HAS said that he is nothing. in legal terms steveie this is called statement of fact.. an implement utilized in prosecution NOT defense. baba too is giving you a statement of fact.. not in defense.. but rather in the prosecution or execution of truth. how old are you? by this time i would think that you had lived long enough to be able to understand the difference. evidently not. you are caught up in a strange belief that everyone need defend themselves.. from what no one knows. defend against what? your non sequiturs? give us a break child! that's ridiculous guy. defend for what? you're obsessed silly boy. you make absolutely no sense. but you are fun to have around for sure. > The truth does not need the backup > of what has been said in the past when it is misconstrued by and misrepresented by someone... like you continuously do.. it needs clarification. that's not backup son. that's merely repetition of the truth in order to correct your misunderstanding of same. although this causes you to whine about why i repeat and repeat the truth.. it is done for the sake of your inability to get it the first, second, third..oh hell at any number of times. your logic is so faulty.. and you address such trifling non concerns... and in such a cloying way... your unwarranted and undeserved conceit is not only misplaced.. it's farcical. LOL! ***************************NNB***************************************** > Moreover this is of no use > because the Baba has also stated many times > That he is *something* where? show us that. you don't even understand what baba said... nor have you the quotations to back it up. you ARE silly. you haven't digested theory of proof at all. > >given that the truth has spoken thusly through baba.. > >what possibly could there be in 'nothing' to defend. ok..reread it slowly stefie. baba said 'TRUTH' speaks 'through' baba.. that is not the same as saying that baba IS 'something'. you have comprehension in reading problems stef-man. you want to twist not only what has been said.. you want to twist the 'meaning' of what has been said. were you a washout in school? you're smarmy without having anything to be smarmy about. now that is quaint and ludicrous and i appreciate your zaniness.. but doesn't that shame you just a bit too. silly boy. > Again, very good, and it looks for a moment > as if you have finally understood > what I am telling you all the time: > There is nothing to be defended. > > But, alas, now you go on to defend > that you have nothing to defend > in another looong speech > (quoted below) > > Don't you also feel that this is boring? > > Stefan i think you are boring stevie. and i think also that understanding MUST be boring for you.. so boring that you don't even make an attempt to understand. you don't really read what's been written. you're too concerned about attempting a comeback. your comebacks are without merit.. without common sense.. without any connection to what they purport to be a comeback to. in short stevie boy.. you don't know what the hell you are talking about. you do not comprehend what you read. you do not want to learn. poor stevie. ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. > > do you require a cited quote of the baba's whereby he has said this? > > > > i know you don't care for looking at what really has been said.. > > > > but if needs be..bobji will supply that quote. > > > > > When I say " you react " > > > You say: " Those aren't reactions " > > > > true those were not reactions but rather responses..just as this is. > > > > you didn't study logic in university did you? > > > > nor mathematical number theory. > > > > right? > > > > ok. > > > > X is true 'because' there is a proof of X. > > > > X is true and 'so there' is a proof of X. > > > > the first half asserts that proofs are guarantors of truth.. > > > > the second half asserts that where there is a regularity, there is > > > > reason. > > > > to doubt the either half would be unthinkable. > > > > to doubt the first would be to imagine that a proved statement could > > > > be false! > > > > which would make a mockery of the notion of 'proof'. > > > > to doubt the second line would be to imagine that there could be > > > > perfect, exceptionless patterns that go on forever... > > > > yet that do so without rhyme nor reason. > > > > you seem to posses an unbelievably quirky imagination. > > > > regardless of what has been said or proven.. > > > > you seem to MUST have it your way.. > > > > way beyond or even before there is any 'reasoning'. > > > > this may indeed beyond your ken... > > > > though it is in fact the 'given' of any rational proofs or statements. > > > > in mathematics, logic, philosophy...well darn..the list encompasses > > > > all fields of endeavor and human thought, calculation, science or even > > > > spirituality....EVEN music theory. > > > > trust me. > > > > conversely.. > > > > X is false 'because' there is no proof of X > > > > X is false 'and so' there is no proof of X. > > > > without your understanding of these basic premises.. > > > > we find the 'wherein' of your delusional misunderstanding of baba's > > > > doings. > > > > well let us move on to my replies.. > > > > (as opposed to 'reactions..two quite different terms kiddo) > > > > baba wouldn't dream of not affably and appropriately responding to > > > > your posts.. > > > > and doing so without care or reactive elements. > > > > to act reactively would just be to thwart the assistance i freely am > > > > giving you. > > > > and no thanks are required. > > > > baba is kind and gentle by nature and... > > > > gracious beyond measure in his compassion for the lost. > > > > hallelujah! hallelujah! > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " You believe not to believe " > > > You say " Baba has no beliefs " > > > > > > > > > > yes this also is true. > > > > a dark truth for those without Understanding. > > > > but truth nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " why do you feel hurt " > > > You say " Baba cannot be hurt " > > > etc etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > and again true. > > > > i'm astounded that you have finally stated correctly a few of baba's > > > > statements. > > > > good for stevie and two points and a silver sticker star for your > > > > diary this day. > > > > i'm proud of you son! > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, those are mere reactions: > > > defensive, predictable, automatic... > > > > > > > > no i don't see that at all stevie. > > > > i don't think many would. > > > > however your reactions to my attempts at edifying you.. > > > > are most certainly all that. > > > > do try and follow the Laws of Form and Reason as outlined above. > > > > once seen and understood and not merely observed as 'words'.. > > > > those magical formulas.will light a bulb inside you like a sun. > > > > you will quit existing in your lost dark world of misunderstanding. > > > > you will still have a long road ahead..but you will at least have > > > > taken a first baby step. > > > > > > > " Little Stefan has misunderstood me " > > > And on and on you go > > > Like a 5 year old boy. > > > > > > > > well? > > > > you display the reasoning powers of one even younger. > > > > or do you here refer to baba? > > > > if so.. > > > > it's because the reasoning power of a 5 year old boy is so far beyond > > > > your own capacity that that power seems to be the summit of mind. > > > > it's not stevie..and i think you should know this. > > > > there are realms and dominions and domains far more pleasurable and > > > > true. > > > > and that's a wonderful thing stefan. > > > > > > > > > > > But thats how our minds do function, > > > They are meant to be survival tools, > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it > > > > > > Greetings > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > speak for yourself stefie. > > > > i can well see that you are striving to survive.. > > > > in waters much too deep for you. > > > > that's hardly amazing and it is kind of brainless too. > > > > but exercises such as i have suggested will strengthen that mind.. > > > > and will do so without imperiling it's limited ability. > > > > baba guarantees your survival steve. > > > > you have always been and will always be. > > > > just what you be is up to you unfortunately.. > > > > and with the way this is going i fear that it will be a super long > > > > journey towards an understanding of what is what. > > > > but as bobji has promised...he will not desert you. > > > > keep up the effort and he will keep up the assistance. > > > > helping you always, > > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Hi boys, I see you're still playing with yourselves;-) Having fun yet? Wink. A. Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > >true..the truth speaks through the baba. > > >and the truth is i have nothing to defend. > > > > This is good, Bob, great, very good. > > But already in the next sentence > > you start to defend your truth: > > > > >try and remember stefan... > > >baba HAS said that he is nothing. > > > > in legal terms steveie this is called statement of fact.. > > an implement utilized in prosecution NOT defense. > > baba too is giving you a statement of fact.. > > not in defense.. > > but rather in the prosecution or execution of truth. > > how old are you? > > by this time i would think that you had lived long enough to be able > > to understand the difference. > > evidently not. > > you are caught up in a strange belief that everyone need defend > > themselves.. > > from what no one knows. > > defend against what? > > your non sequiturs? > > give us a break child! > > that's ridiculous guy. > > defend for what? > > you're obsessed silly boy. > > you make absolutely no sense. > > but you are fun to have around for sure. > > > > > The truth does not need the backup > > of what has been said in the past > > > > > > when it is misconstrued by and misrepresented by someone... > > like you continuously do.. > > it needs clarification. > > that's not backup son. > > that's merely repetition of the truth in order to correct your > > misunderstanding of same. > > although this causes you to whine about why i repeat and repeat the > > truth.. > > it is done for the sake of your inability to get it the first, > > second, third..oh hell at any number of times. > > your logic is so faulty.. > > and you address such trifling non concerns... > > and in such a cloying way... > > your unwarranted and undeserved conceit is not only misplaced.. > > it's farcical. > > LOL! > > ***************************NNB***************************************** > Moreover this is of no use > > because the Baba has also stated many times > > That he is *something* > > > where? > > show us that. > > you don't even understand what baba said... > > nor have you the quotations > > to back it up. > > you ARE silly. > > you haven't digested theory of proof at all. > > > > > > >given that the truth has spoken thusly through baba.. > > >what possibly could there be in 'nothing' to defend. > > > ok..reread it slowly stefie. > > baba said 'TRUTH' speaks 'through' baba.. > > that is not the same as saying that baba IS 'something'. > > you have comprehension in reading problems stef-man. > > you want to twist not only what has been said.. > > you want to twist the 'meaning' of what has been said. > > were you a washout in school? > > you're smarmy without having anything to be smarmy about. > > now that is quaint and ludicrous and i appreciate your zaniness.. > > but doesn't that shame you just a bit too. > > silly boy. > > > > > > Again, very good, and it looks for a moment > > as if you have finally understood > > what I am telling you all the time: > > There is nothing to be defended. > > > > But, alas, now you go on to defend > > that you have nothing to defend > > in another looong speech > > (quoted below) > > > > Don't you also feel that this is boring? > > > > Stefan > > > i think you are boring stevie. > > and i think also that understanding MUST be boring for you.. > > so boring that you don't even make an attempt to understand. > > you don't really read what's been written. > > you're too concerned about attempting a comeback. > > your comebacks are without merit.. > > without common sense.. > > without any connection to what they purport to be a comeback to. > > in short stevie boy.. > > you don't know what the hell you are talking about. > > you do not comprehend what you read. > > you do not want to learn. > > poor stevie. > > ROFLMAO! > > .b b.b. > > > do you require a cited quote of the baba's whereby he has said this? > > > > > > i know you don't care for looking at what really has been said.. > > > > > > but if needs be..bobji will supply that quote. > > > > > > > When I say " you react " > > > > You say: " Those aren't reactions " > > > > > > true those were not reactions but rather responses..just as this is. > > > > > > you didn't study logic in university did you? > > > > > > nor mathematical number theory. > > > > > > right? > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > X is true 'because' there is a proof of X. > > > > > > X is true and 'so there' is a proof of X. > > > > > > the first half asserts that proofs are guarantors of truth.. > > > > > > the second half asserts that where there is a regularity, there is > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > to doubt the either half would be unthinkable. > > > > > > to doubt the first would be to imagine that a proved statement could > > > > > > be false! > > > > > > which would make a mockery of the notion of 'proof'. > > > > > > to doubt the second line would be to imagine that there could be > > > > > > perfect, exceptionless patterns that go on forever... > > > > > > yet that do so without rhyme nor reason. > > > > > > you seem to posses an unbelievably quirky imagination. > > > > > > regardless of what has been said or proven.. > > > > > > you seem to MUST have it your way.. > > > > > > way beyond or even before there is any 'reasoning'. > > > > > > this may indeed beyond your ken... > > > > > > though it is in fact the 'given' of any rational proofs or statements. > > > > > > in mathematics, logic, philosophy...well darn..the list encompasses > > > > > > all fields of endeavor and human thought, calculation, science or > even > > > > > > spirituality....EVEN music theory. > > > > > > trust me. > > > > > > conversely.. > > > > > > X is false 'because' there is no proof of X > > > > > > X is false 'and so' there is no proof of X. > > > > > > without your understanding of these basic premises.. > > > > > > we find the 'wherein' of your delusional misunderstanding of baba's > > > > > > doings. > > > > > > well let us move on to my replies.. > > > > > > (as opposed to 'reactions..two quite different terms kiddo) > > > > > > baba wouldn't dream of not affably and appropriately responding to > > > > > > your posts.. > > > > > > and doing so without care or reactive elements. > > > > > > to act reactively would just be to thwart the assistance i freely am > > > > > > giving you. > > > > > > and no thanks are required. > > > > > > baba is kind and gentle by nature and... > > > > > > gracious beyond measure in his compassion for the lost. > > > > > > hallelujah! hallelujah! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " You believe not to believe " > > > > You say " Baba has no beliefs " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes this also is true. > > > > > > a dark truth for those without Understanding. > > > > > > but truth nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " why do you feel hurt " > > > > You say " Baba cannot be hurt " > > > > etc etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again true. > > > > > > i'm astounded that you have finally stated correctly a few of baba's > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > good for stevie and two points and a silver sticker star for your > > > > > > diary this day. > > > > > > i'm proud of you son! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, those are mere reactions: > > > > defensive, predictable, automatic... > > > > > > > > > > > > no i don't see that at all stevie. > > > > > > i don't think many would. > > > > > > however your reactions to my attempts at edifying you.. > > > > > > are most certainly all that. > > > > > > do try and follow the Laws of Form and Reason as outlined above. > > > > > > once seen and understood and not merely observed as 'words'.. > > > > > > those magical formulas.will light a bulb inside you like a sun. > > > > > > you will quit existing in your lost dark world of misunderstanding. > > > > > > you will still have a long road ahead..but you will at least have > > > > > > taken a first baby step. > > > > > > > > > > " Little Stefan has misunderstood me " > > > > And on and on you go > > > > Like a 5 year old boy. > > > > > > > > > > > > well? > > > > > > you display the reasoning powers of one even younger. > > > > > > or do you here refer to baba? > > > > > > if so.. > > > > > > it's because the reasoning power of a 5 year old boy is so far beyond > > > > > > your own capacity that that power seems to be the summit of mind. > > > > > > it's not stevie..and i think you should know this. > > > > > > there are realms and dominions and domains far more pleasurable and > > > > > > true. > > > > > > and that's a wonderful thing stefan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But thats how our minds do function, > > > > They are meant to be survival tools, > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > speak for yourself stefie. > > > > > > i can well see that you are striving to survive.. > > > > > > in waters much too deep for you. > > > > > > that's hardly amazing and it is kind of brainless too. > > > > > > but exercises such as i have suggested will strengthen that mind.. > > > > > > and will do so without imperiling it's limited ability. > > > > > > baba guarantees your survival steve. > > > > > > you have always been and will always be. > > > > > > just what you be is up to you unfortunately.. > > > > > > and with the way this is going i fear that it will be a super long > > > > > > journey towards an understanding of what is what. > > > > > > but as bobji has promised...he will not desert you. > > > > > > keep up the effort and he will keep up the assistance. > > > > > > helping you always, > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Hi boys, > > I see you're still playing with yourselves;-) > > Having fun yet? > > Wink. > > A. anna...you know baba has a ball..all the time. it's the only way to fly! say anna...do you mend carpets? my magic carpet has developed some frayed tassel ends. not too cool when riding at speed. the twirling ends tickle my slippered feet. not that i need a smug rug... i'm actually bored with smug rugs and mugs... as you can see below. but baba likes to keep his flying clean and neat beneath his seat. :-) ..b b.b. ***************************NNB*************************************** > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > >true..the truth speaks through the baba. > > > >and the truth is i have nothing to defend. > > > > > > This is good, Bob, great, very good. > > > But already in the next sentence > > > you start to defend your truth: > > > > > > >try and remember stefan... > > > >baba HAS said that he is nothing. > > > > > > > > in legal terms steveie this is called statement of fact.. > > > > an implement utilized in prosecution NOT defense. > > > > baba too is giving you a statement of fact.. > > > > not in defense.. > > > > but rather in the prosecution or execution of truth. > > > > how old are you? > > > > by this time i would think that you had lived long enough to be able > > > > to understand the difference. > > > > evidently not. > > > > you are caught up in a strange belief that everyone need defend > > > > themselves.. > > > > from what no one knows. > > > > defend against what? > > > > your non sequiturs? > > > > give us a break child! > > > > that's ridiculous guy. > > > > defend for what? > > > > you're obsessed silly boy. > > > > you make absolutely no sense. > > > > but you are fun to have around for sure. > > > > > > > > > The truth does not need the backup > > > of what has been said in the past > > > > > > > > > > > > when it is misconstrued by and misrepresented by someone... > > > > like you continuously do.. > > > > it needs clarification. > > > > that's not backup son. > > > > that's merely repetition of the truth in order to correct your > > > > misunderstanding of same. > > > > although this causes you to whine about why i repeat and repeat the > > > > truth.. > > > > it is done for the sake of your inability to get it the first, > > > > second, third..oh hell at any number of times. > > > > your logic is so faulty.. > > > > and you address such trifling non concerns... > > > > and in such a cloying way... > > > > your unwarranted and undeserved conceit is not only misplaced.. > > > > it's farcical. > > > > LOL! > > > > ***************************NNB***************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover this is of no use > > > because the Baba has also stated many times > > > That he is *something* > > > > > > where? > > > > show us that. > > > > you don't even understand what baba said... > > > > nor have you the quotations > > > > to back it up. > > > > you ARE silly. > > > > you haven't digested theory of proof at all. > > > > > > > > > > > >given that the truth has spoken thusly through baba.. > > > >what possibly could there be in 'nothing' to defend. > > > > > > ok..reread it slowly stefie. > > > > baba said 'TRUTH' speaks 'through' baba.. > > > > that is not the same as saying that baba IS 'something'. > > > > you have comprehension in reading problems stef-man. > > > > you want to twist not only what has been said.. > > > > you want to twist the 'meaning' of what has been said. > > > > were you a washout in school? > > > > you're smarmy without having anything to be smarmy about. > > > > now that is quaint and ludicrous and i appreciate your zaniness.. > > > > but doesn't that shame you just a bit too. > > > > silly boy. > > > > > > > > > > > Again, very good, and it looks for a moment > > > as if you have finally understood > > > what I am telling you all the time: > > > There is nothing to be defended. > > > > > > But, alas, now you go on to defend > > > that you have nothing to defend > > > in another looong speech > > > (quoted below) > > > > > > Don't you also feel that this is boring? > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > i think you are boring stevie. > > > > and i think also that understanding MUST be boring for you.. > > > > so boring that you don't even make an attempt to understand. > > > > you don't really read what's been written. > > > > you're too concerned about attempting a comeback. > > > > your comebacks are without merit.. > > > > without common sense.. > > > > without any connection to what they purport to be a comeback to. > > > > in short stevie boy.. > > > > you don't know what the hell you are talking about. > > > > you do not comprehend what you read. > > > > you do not want to learn. > > > > poor stevie. > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > do you require a cited quote of the baba's whereby he has said this? > > > > > > > > i know you don't care for looking at what really has been said.. > > > > > > > > but if needs be..bobji will supply that quote. > > > > > > > > > When I say " you react " > > > > > You say: " Those aren't reactions " > > > > > > > > true those were not reactions but rather responses..just as this is. > > > > > > > > you didn't study logic in university did you? > > > > > > > > nor mathematical number theory. > > > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > X is true 'because' there is a proof of X. > > > > > > > > X is true and 'so there' is a proof of X. > > > > > > > > the first half asserts that proofs are guarantors of truth.. > > > > > > > > the second half asserts that where there is a regularity, there is > > > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > > > to doubt the either half would be unthinkable. > > > > > > > > to doubt the first would be to imagine that a proved statement > could > > > > > > > > be false! > > > > > > > > which would make a mockery of the notion of 'proof'. > > > > > > > > to doubt the second line would be to imagine that there could be > > > > > > > > perfect, exceptionless patterns that go on forever... > > > > > > > > yet that do so without rhyme nor reason. > > > > > > > > you seem to posses an unbelievably quirky imagination. > > > > > > > > regardless of what has been said or proven.. > > > > > > > > you seem to MUST have it your way.. > > > > > > > > way beyond or even before there is any 'reasoning'. > > > > > > > > this may indeed beyond your ken... > > > > > > > > though it is in fact the 'given' of any rational proofs or > statements. > > > > > > > > in mathematics, logic, philosophy...well darn..the list encompasses > > > > > > > > all fields of endeavor and human thought, calculation, science or > > even > > > > > > > > spirituality....EVEN music theory. > > > > > > > > trust me. > > > > > > > > conversely.. > > > > > > > > X is false 'because' there is no proof of X > > > > > > > > X is false 'and so' there is no proof of X. > > > > > > > > without your understanding of these basic premises.. > > > > > > > > we find the 'wherein' of your delusional misunderstanding of baba's > > > > > > > > doings. > > > > > > > > well let us move on to my replies.. > > > > > > > > (as opposed to 'reactions..two quite different terms kiddo) > > > > > > > > baba wouldn't dream of not affably and appropriately responding to > > > > > > > > your posts.. > > > > > > > > and doing so without care or reactive elements. > > > > > > > > to act reactively would just be to thwart the assistance i > freely am > > > > > > > > giving you. > > > > > > > > and no thanks are required. > > > > > > > > baba is kind and gentle by nature and... > > > > > > > > gracious beyond measure in his compassion for the lost. > > > > > > > > hallelujah! hallelujah! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " You believe not to believe " > > > > > You say " Baba has no beliefs " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes this also is true. > > > > > > > > a dark truth for those without Understanding. > > > > > > > > but truth nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " why do you feel hurt " > > > > > You say " Baba cannot be hurt " > > > > > etc etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again true. > > > > > > > > i'm astounded that you have finally stated correctly a few of > baba's > > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > good for stevie and two points and a silver sticker star for your > > > > > > > > diary this day. > > > > > > > > i'm proud of you son! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, those are mere reactions: > > > > > defensive, predictable, automatic... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no i don't see that at all stevie. > > > > > > > > i don't think many would. > > > > > > > > however your reactions to my attempts at edifying you.. > > > > > > > > are most certainly all that. > > > > > > > > do try and follow the Laws of Form and Reason as outlined above. > > > > > > > > once seen and understood and not merely observed as 'words'.. > > > > > > > > those magical formulas.will light a bulb inside you like a sun. > > > > > > > > you will quit existing in your lost dark world of misunderstanding. > > > > > > > > you will still have a long road ahead..but you will at least have > > > > > > > > taken a first baby step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Little Stefan has misunderstood me " > > > > > And on and on you go > > > > > Like a 5 year old boy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well? > > > > > > > > you display the reasoning powers of one even younger. > > > > > > > > or do you here refer to baba? > > > > > > > > if so.. > > > > > > > > it's because the reasoning power of a 5 year old boy is so far > beyond > > > > > > > > your own capacity that that power seems to be the summit of mind. > > > > > > > > it's not stevie..and i think you should know this. > > > > > > > > there are realms and dominions and domains far more pleasurable and > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > and that's a wonderful thing stefan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But thats how our minds do function, > > > > > They are meant to be survival tools, > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speak for yourself stefie. > > > > > > > > i can well see that you are striving to survive.. > > > > > > > > in waters much too deep for you. > > > > > > > > that's hardly amazing and it is kind of brainless too. > > > > > > > > but exercises such as i have suggested will strengthen that mind.. > > > > > > > > and will do so without imperiling it's limited ability. > > > > > > > > baba guarantees your survival steve. > > > > > > > > you have always been and will always be. > > > > > > > > just what you be is up to you unfortunately.. > > > > > > > > and with the way this is going i fear that it will be a super long > > > > > > > > journey towards an understanding of what is what. > > > > > > > > but as bobji has promised...he will not desert you. > > > > > > > > keep up the effort and he will keep up the assistance. > > > > > > > > helping you always, > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Hi boys, > > I see you're still playing with yourselves;-) > > Having fun yet? > > Wink. > > A. > let's hope that they enjoy all this talk.....without meaning....defending Nothingness....at both sides........ with....or without knowing about Marc > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > >true..the truth speaks through the baba. > > > >and the truth is i have nothing to defend. > > > > > > This is good, Bob, great, very good. > > > But already in the next sentence > > > you start to defend your truth: > > > > > > >try and remember stefan... > > > >baba HAS said that he is nothing. > > > > > > > > in legal terms steveie this is called statement of fact.. > > > > an implement utilized in prosecution NOT defense. > > > > baba too is giving you a statement of fact.. > > > > not in defense.. > > > > but rather in the prosecution or execution of truth. > > > > how old are you? > > > > by this time i would think that you had lived long enough to be able > > > > to understand the difference. > > > > evidently not. > > > > you are caught up in a strange belief that everyone need defend > > > > themselves.. > > > > from what no one knows. > > > > defend against what? > > > > your non sequiturs? > > > > give us a break child! > > > > that's ridiculous guy. > > > > defend for what? > > > > you're obsessed silly boy. > > > > you make absolutely no sense. > > > > but you are fun to have around for sure. > > > > > > > > > The truth does not need the backup > > > of what has been said in the past > > > > > > > > > > > > when it is misconstrued by and misrepresented by someone... > > > > like you continuously do.. > > > > it needs clarification. > > > > that's not backup son. > > > > that's merely repetition of the truth in order to correct your > > > > misunderstanding of same. > > > > although this causes you to whine about why i repeat and repeat the > > > > truth.. > > > > it is done for the sake of your inability to get it the first, > > > > second, third..oh hell at any number of times. > > > > your logic is so faulty.. > > > > and you address such trifling non concerns... > > > > and in such a cloying way... > > > > your unwarranted and undeserved conceit is not only misplaced.. > > > > it's farcical. > > > > LOL! > > > > ***************************NNB**************************************** * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover this is of no use > > > because the Baba has also stated many times > > > That he is *something* > > > > > > where? > > > > show us that. > > > > you don't even understand what baba said... > > > > nor have you the quotations > > > > to back it up. > > > > you ARE silly. > > > > you haven't digested theory of proof at all. > > > > > > > > > > > >given that the truth has spoken thusly through baba.. > > > >what possibly could there be in 'nothing' to defend. > > > > > > ok..reread it slowly stefie. > > > > baba said 'TRUTH' speaks 'through' baba.. > > > > that is not the same as saying that baba IS 'something'. > > > > you have comprehension in reading problems stef-man. > > > > you want to twist not only what has been said.. > > > > you want to twist the 'meaning' of what has been said. > > > > were you a washout in school? > > > > you're smarmy without having anything to be smarmy about. > > > > now that is quaint and ludicrous and i appreciate your zaniness.. > > > > but doesn't that shame you just a bit too. > > > > silly boy. > > > > > > > > > > > Again, very good, and it looks for a moment > > > as if you have finally understood > > > what I am telling you all the time: > > > There is nothing to be defended. > > > > > > But, alas, now you go on to defend > > > that you have nothing to defend > > > in another looong speech > > > (quoted below) > > > > > > Don't you also feel that this is boring? > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > i think you are boring stevie. > > > > and i think also that understanding MUST be boring for you.. > > > > so boring that you don't even make an attempt to understand. > > > > you don't really read what's been written. > > > > you're too concerned about attempting a comeback. > > > > your comebacks are without merit.. > > > > without common sense.. > > > > without any connection to what they purport to be a comeback to. > > > > in short stevie boy.. > > > > you don't know what the hell you are talking about. > > > > you do not comprehend what you read. > > > > you do not want to learn. > > > > poor stevie. > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > do you require a cited quote of the baba's whereby he has said this? > > > > > > > > i know you don't care for looking at what really has been said.. > > > > > > > > but if needs be..bobji will supply that quote. > > > > > > > > > When I say " you react " > > > > > You say: " Those aren't reactions " > > > > > > > > true those were not reactions but rather responses..just as this is. > > > > > > > > you didn't study logic in university did you? > > > > > > > > nor mathematical number theory. > > > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > X is true 'because' there is a proof of X. > > > > > > > > X is true and 'so there' is a proof of X. > > > > > > > > the first half asserts that proofs are guarantors of truth.. > > > > > > > > the second half asserts that where there is a regularity, there is > > > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > > > to doubt the either half would be unthinkable. > > > > > > > > to doubt the first would be to imagine that a proved statement > could > > > > > > > > be false! > > > > > > > > which would make a mockery of the notion of 'proof'. > > > > > > > > to doubt the second line would be to imagine that there could be > > > > > > > > perfect, exceptionless patterns that go on forever... > > > > > > > > yet that do so without rhyme nor reason. > > > > > > > > you seem to posses an unbelievably quirky imagination. > > > > > > > > regardless of what has been said or proven.. > > > > > > > > you seem to MUST have it your way.. > > > > > > > > way beyond or even before there is any 'reasoning'. > > > > > > > > this may indeed beyond your ken... > > > > > > > > though it is in fact the 'given' of any rational proofs or > statements. > > > > > > > > in mathematics, logic, philosophy...well darn..the list encompasses > > > > > > > > all fields of endeavor and human thought, calculation, science or > > even > > > > > > > > spirituality....EVEN music theory. > > > > > > > > trust me. > > > > > > > > conversely.. > > > > > > > > X is false 'because' there is no proof of X > > > > > > > > X is false 'and so' there is no proof of X. > > > > > > > > without your understanding of these basic premises.. > > > > > > > > we find the 'wherein' of your delusional misunderstanding of baba's > > > > > > > > doings. > > > > > > > > well let us move on to my replies.. > > > > > > > > (as opposed to 'reactions..two quite different terms kiddo) > > > > > > > > baba wouldn't dream of not affably and appropriately responding to > > > > > > > > your posts.. > > > > > > > > and doing so without care or reactive elements. > > > > > > > > to act reactively would just be to thwart the assistance i > freely am > > > > > > > > giving you. > > > > > > > > and no thanks are required. > > > > > > > > baba is kind and gentle by nature and... > > > > > > > > gracious beyond measure in his compassion for the lost. > > > > > > > > hallelujah! hallelujah! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " You believe not to believe " > > > > > You say " Baba has no beliefs " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes this also is true. > > > > > > > > a dark truth for those without Understanding. > > > > > > > > but truth nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " why do you feel hurt " > > > > > You say " Baba cannot be hurt " > > > > > etc etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again true. > > > > > > > > i'm astounded that you have finally stated correctly a few of > baba's > > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > good for stevie and two points and a silver sticker star for your > > > > > > > > diary this day. > > > > > > > > i'm proud of you son! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, those are mere reactions: > > > > > defensive, predictable, automatic... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no i don't see that at all stevie. > > > > > > > > i don't think many would. > > > > > > > > however your reactions to my attempts at edifying you.. > > > > > > > > are most certainly all that. > > > > > > > > do try and follow the Laws of Form and Reason as outlined above. > > > > > > > > once seen and understood and not merely observed as 'words'.. > > > > > > > > those magical formulas.will light a bulb inside you like a sun. > > > > > > > > you will quit existing in your lost dark world of misunderstanding. > > > > > > > > you will still have a long road ahead..but you will at least have > > > > > > > > taken a first baby step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Little Stefan has misunderstood me " > > > > > And on and on you go > > > > > Like a 5 year old boy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well? > > > > > > > > you display the reasoning powers of one even younger. > > > > > > > > or do you here refer to baba? > > > > > > > > if so.. > > > > > > > > it's because the reasoning power of a 5 year old boy is so far > beyond > > > > > > > > your own capacity that that power seems to be the summit of mind. > > > > > > > > it's not stevie..and i think you should know this. > > > > > > > > there are realms and dominions and domains far more pleasurable and > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > and that's a wonderful thing stefan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But thats how our minds do function, > > > > > They are meant to be survival tools, > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speak for yourself stefie. > > > > > > > > i can well see that you are striving to survive.. > > > > > > > > in waters much too deep for you. > > > > > > > > that's hardly amazing and it is kind of brainless too. > > > > > > > > but exercises such as i have suggested will strengthen that mind.. > > > > > > > > and will do so without imperiling it's limited ability. > > > > > > > > baba guarantees your survival steve. > > > > > > > > you have always been and will always be. > > > > > > > > just what you be is up to you unfortunately.. > > > > > > > > and with the way this is going i fear that it will be a super long > > > > > > > > journey towards an understanding of what is what. > > > > > > > > but as bobji has promised...he will not desert you. > > > > > > > > keep up the effort and he will keep up the assistance. > > > > > > > > helping you always, > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Babaji, according to your logic the fact that somebody has said " the sun moves around the earth " Is the prove that the sun moves around the earth. I am sure thats not what you meant... ? Stefan Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > >try and remember stefan... > > >baba HAS said that he is nothing. > > > > in legal terms steveie this is called statement of fact.. > > an implement utilized in prosecution NOT defense. > > baba too is giving you a statement of fact.. > > not in defense.. > > but rather in the prosecution or execution of truth. > > how old are you? > > by this time i would think that you had lived long enough to be able > > to understand the difference. > > evidently not. > > you are caught up in a strange belief that everyone need defend > > themselves.. > > from what no one knows. > > defend against what? > > your non sequiturs? > > give us a break child! > > that's ridiculous guy. > > defend for what? > > you're obsessed silly boy. > > you make absolutely no sense. > > but you are fun to have around for sure. > > > > > The truth does not need the backup > > of what has been said in the past > > > > > > when it is misconstrued by and misrepresented by someone... > > like you continuously do.. > > it needs clarification. > > that's not backup son. > > that's merely repetition of the truth in order to correct your > > misunderstanding of same. > > although this causes you to whine about why i repeat and repeat the > > truth.. > > it is done for the sake of your inability to get it the first, > > second, third..oh hell at any number of times. > > your logic is so faulty.. > > and you address such trifling non concerns... > > and in such a cloying way... > > your unwarranted and undeserved conceit is not only misplaced.. > > it's farcical. > > LOL! > > ***************************NNB***************************************** > Moreover this is of no use > > because the Baba has also stated many times > > That he is *something* > > > where? > > show us that. > > you don't even understand what baba said... > > nor have you the quotations > > to back it up. > > you ARE silly. > > you haven't digested theory of proof at all. > > > > > > >given that the truth has spoken thusly through baba.. > > >what possibly could there be in 'nothing' to defend. > > > ok..reread it slowly stefie. > > baba said 'TRUTH' speaks 'through' baba.. > > that is not the same as saying that baba IS 'something'. > > you have comprehension in reading problems stef-man. > > you want to twist not only what has been said.. > > you want to twist the 'meaning' of what has been said. > > were you a washout in school? > > you're smarmy without having anything to be smarmy about. > > now that is quaint and ludicrous and i appreciate your zaniness.. > > but doesn't that shame you just a bit too. > > silly boy. > > > > > > Again, very good, and it looks for a moment > > as if you have finally understood > > what I am telling you all the time: > > There is nothing to be defended. > > > > But, alas, now you go on to defend > > that you have nothing to defend > > in another looong speech > > (quoted below) > > > > Don't you also feel that this is boring? > > > > Stefan > > > i think you are boring stevie. > > and i think also that understanding MUST be boring for you.. > > so boring that you don't even make an attempt to understand. > > you don't really read what's been written. > > you're too concerned about attempting a comeback. > > your comebacks are without merit.. > > without common sense.. > > without any connection to what they purport to be a comeback to. > > in short stevie boy.. > > you don't know what the hell you are talking about. > > you do not comprehend what you read. > > you do not want to learn. > > poor stevie. > > ROFLMAO! > > .b b.b. > > > do you require a cited quote of the baba's whereby he has said this? > > > > > > i know you don't care for looking at what really has been said.. > > > > > > but if needs be..bobji will supply that quote. > > > > > > > When I say " you react " > > > > You say: " Those aren't reactions " > > > > > > true those were not reactions but rather responses..just as this is. > > > > > > you didn't study logic in university did you? > > > > > > nor mathematical number theory. > > > > > > right? > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > X is true 'because' there is a proof of X. > > > > > > X is true and 'so there' is a proof of X. > > > > > > the first half asserts that proofs are guarantors of truth.. > > > > > > the second half asserts that where there is a regularity, there is > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > to doubt the either half would be unthinkable. > > > > > > to doubt the first would be to imagine that a proved statement could > > > > > > be false! > > > > > > which would make a mockery of the notion of 'proof'. > > > > > > to doubt the second line would be to imagine that there could be > > > > > > perfect, exceptionless patterns that go on forever... > > > > > > yet that do so without rhyme nor reason. > > > > > > you seem to posses an unbelievably quirky imagination. > > > > > > regardless of what has been said or proven.. > > > > > > you seem to MUST have it your way.. > > > > > > way beyond or even before there is any 'reasoning'. > > > > > > this may indeed beyond your ken... > > > > > > though it is in fact the 'given' of any rational proofs or statements. > > > > > > in mathematics, logic, philosophy...well darn..the list encompasses > > > > > > all fields of endeavor and human thought, calculation, science or > even > > > > > > spirituality....EVEN music theory. > > > > > > trust me. > > > > > > conversely.. > > > > > > X is false 'because' there is no proof of X > > > > > > X is false 'and so' there is no proof of X. > > > > > > without your understanding of these basic premises.. > > > > > > we find the 'wherein' of your delusional misunderstanding of baba's > > > > > > doings. > > > > > > well let us move on to my replies.. > > > > > > (as opposed to 'reactions..two quite different terms kiddo) > > > > > > baba wouldn't dream of not affably and appropriately responding to > > > > > > your posts.. > > > > > > and doing so without care or reactive elements. > > > > > > to act reactively would just be to thwart the assistance i freely am > > > > > > giving you. > > > > > > and no thanks are required. > > > > > > baba is kind and gentle by nature and... > > > > > > gracious beyond measure in his compassion for the lost. > > > > > > hallelujah! hallelujah! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " You believe not to believe " > > > > You say " Baba has no beliefs " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes this also is true. > > > > > > a dark truth for those without Understanding. > > > > > > but truth nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " why do you feel hurt " > > > > You say " Baba cannot be hurt " > > > > etc etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again true. > > > > > > i'm astounded that you have finally stated correctly a few of baba's > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > good for stevie and two points and a silver sticker star for your > > > > > > diary this day. > > > > > > i'm proud of you son! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, those are mere reactions: > > > > defensive, predictable, automatic... > > > > > > > > > > > > no i don't see that at all stevie. > > > > > > i don't think many would. > > > > > > however your reactions to my attempts at edifying you.. > > > > > > are most certainly all that. > > > > > > do try and follow the Laws of Form and Reason as outlined above. > > > > > > once seen and understood and not merely observed as 'words'.. > > > > > > those magical formulas.will light a bulb inside you like a sun. > > > > > > you will quit existing in your lost dark world of misunderstanding. > > > > > > you will still have a long road ahead..but you will at least have > > > > > > taken a first baby step. > > > > > > > > > > " Little Stefan has misunderstood me " > > > > And on and on you go > > > > Like a 5 year old boy. > > > > > > > > > > > > well? > > > > > > you display the reasoning powers of one even younger. > > > > > > or do you here refer to baba? > > > > > > if so.. > > > > > > it's because the reasoning power of a 5 year old boy is so far beyond > > > > > > your own capacity that that power seems to be the summit of mind. > > > > > > it's not stevie..and i think you should know this. > > > > > > there are realms and dominions and domains far more pleasurable and > > > > > > true. > > > > > > and that's a wonderful thing stefan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But thats how our minds do function, > > > > They are meant to be survival tools, > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > speak for yourself stefie. > > > > > > i can well see that you are striving to survive.. > > > > > > in waters much too deep for you. > > > > > > that's hardly amazing and it is kind of brainless too. > > > > > > but exercises such as i have suggested will strengthen that mind.. > > > > > > and will do so without imperiling it's limited ability. > > > > > > baba guarantees your survival steve. > > > > > > you have always been and will always be. > > > > > > just what you be is up to you unfortunately.. > > > > > > and with the way this is going i fear that it will be a super long > > > > > > journey towards an understanding of what is what. > > > > > > but as bobji has promised...he will not desert you. > > > > > > keep up the effort and he will keep up the assistance. > > > > > > helping you always, > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Hi Anna and Marc! The question about the motive is an important question. I am not sure myself, but I guess There is more than just fun and enjoyment... As far as defense is concerned I think such is the nature of the mind :-) Stefan Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Hi boys, > > > > I see you're still playing with yourselves;-) > > > > Having fun yet? > > > > Wink. > > > > A. > > > > > let's hope that they enjoy all this talk.....without > meaning....defending Nothingness....at both sides........ > > with....or without knowing about > > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Babaji, mornin' stevie. uh...that's .b bobji baba. that's ok son. you get everything wrong.. anyway..let's have some fun and proceed: > according to your logic > the fact that somebody has said > " the sun moves around the earth " > Is the prove > that the sun moves around the earth. firstly..what baba discussed is the platform and protocol of ALL logic not 'his' logic'. and what you have failed to gleen from those extremely basic premises is the substance of what they are saying. just saying something about anything is NOT a proof. stevie...that's your style. you think that by saying the baba said something that he never did.. and then not even showing a quote as proof of your conjecture.. that you have proven your misconception..or Big Lie. you are either being dense intentionally or you are incapable of ascertaining the very basics of logical thought. this is NOT very germanic of you. try some Kant..or Hegel...or Wittgenstein..or Schopenhauer ..or Buber...or even a little Einstein ... (but then he had to leave there didn't he?.. was that because the folk didn't think him as being logical?) oh well.. different strokes for different folks i guess. ....well, there were and are many many more...though they're not all of the pure blood...they WERE: german... damn smart... and extremely precise... in what they considers a 'proof'. or you could check out a few others.. say!... since your in crete.. why not go back to some of the western philosophical ground-breakers nearby in greece... ah let's see..how 'bout.. Socrates...Plato...Aristotle..whoa! there were and are many many from there as well. and stevie they would be laughing at your 'system' (ha ha) of logical proofs as outlined above just as the great baba is laughing at it. cripes kiddo..that's not even an ignorant theory.. that's just plain wrongheaded and stupid. LOL! > I am sure thats not what you meant... ? > > Stefan well why the hell suggest it? you are correct here though.. that's most definitely NOT what the baba SAID..OR... meant. that's just more of your bullshit. it ain't going to cut the mustard boy. god you're weird stefan. your pre-kindergarten monitor, LOL! ..b b.b. ****************************NNB*************************************** > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > >try and remember stefan... > > > >baba HAS said that he is nothing. > > > > > > > > in legal terms steveie this is called statement of fact.. > > > > an implement utilized in prosecution NOT defense. > > > > baba too is giving you a statement of fact.. > > > > not in defense.. > > > > but rather in the prosecution or execution of truth. > > > > how old are you? > > > > by this time i would think that you had lived long enough to be able > > > > to understand the difference. > > > > evidently not. > > > > you are caught up in a strange belief that everyone need defend > > > > themselves.. > > > > from what no one knows. > > > > defend against what? > > > > your non sequiturs? > > > > give us a break child! > > > > that's ridiculous guy. > > > > defend for what? > > > > you're obsessed silly boy. > > > > you make absolutely no sense. > > > > but you are fun to have around for sure. > > > > > > > > > The truth does not need the backup > > > of what has been said in the past > > > > > > > > > > > > when it is misconstrued by and misrepresented by someone... > > > > like you continuously do.. > > > > it needs clarification. > > > > that's not backup son. > > > > that's merely repetition of the truth in order to correct your > > > > misunderstanding of same. > > > > although this causes you to whine about why i repeat and repeat the > > > > truth.. > > > > it is done for the sake of your inability to get it the first, > > > > second, third..oh hell at any number of times. > > > > your logic is so faulty.. > > > > and you address such trifling non concerns... > > > > and in such a cloying way... > > > > your unwarranted and undeserved conceit is not only misplaced.. > > > > it's farcical. > > > > LOL! > > > > ***************************NNB***************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover this is of no use > > > because the Baba has also stated many times > > > That he is *something* > > > > > > where? > > > > show us that. > > > > you don't even understand what baba said... > > > > nor have you the quotations > > > > to back it up. > > > > you ARE silly. > > > > you haven't digested theory of proof at all. > > > > > > > > > > > >given that the truth has spoken thusly through baba.. > > > >what possibly could there be in 'nothing' to defend. > > > > > > ok..reread it slowly stefie. > > > > baba said 'TRUTH' speaks 'through' baba.. > > > > that is not the same as saying that baba IS 'something'. > > > > you have comprehension in reading problems stef-man. > > > > you want to twist not only what has been said.. > > > > you want to twist the 'meaning' of what has been said. > > > > were you a washout in school? > > > > you're smarmy without having anything to be smarmy about. > > > > now that is quaint and ludicrous and i appreciate your zaniness.. > > > > but doesn't that shame you just a bit too. > > > > silly boy. > > > > > > > > > > > Again, very good, and it looks for a moment > > > as if you have finally understood > > > what I am telling you all the time: > > > There is nothing to be defended. > > > > > > But, alas, now you go on to defend > > > that you have nothing to defend > > > in another looong speech > > > (quoted below) > > > > > > Don't you also feel that this is boring? > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > i think you are boring stevie. > > > > and i think also that understanding MUST be boring for you.. > > > > so boring that you don't even make an attempt to understand. > > > > you don't really read what's been written. > > > > you're too concerned about attempting a comeback. > > > > your comebacks are without merit.. > > > > without common sense.. > > > > without any connection to what they purport to be a comeback to. > > > > in short stevie boy.. > > > > you don't know what the hell you are talking about. > > > > you do not comprehend what you read. > > > > you do not want to learn. > > > > poor stevie. > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > do you require a cited quote of the baba's whereby he has said this? > > > > > > > > i know you don't care for looking at what really has been said.. > > > > > > > > but if needs be..bobji will supply that quote. > > > > > > > > > When I say " you react " > > > > > You say: " Those aren't reactions " > > > > > > > > true those were not reactions but rather responses..just as this is. > > > > > > > > you didn't study logic in university did you? > > > > > > > > nor mathematical number theory. > > > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > X is true 'because' there is a proof of X. > > > > > > > > X is true and 'so there' is a proof of X. > > > > > > > > the first half asserts that proofs are guarantors of truth.. > > > > > > > > the second half asserts that where there is a regularity, there is > > > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > > > to doubt the either half would be unthinkable. > > > > > > > > to doubt the first would be to imagine that a proved statement > could > > > > > > > > be false! > > > > > > > > which would make a mockery of the notion of 'proof'. > > > > > > > > to doubt the second line would be to imagine that there could be > > > > > > > > perfect, exceptionless patterns that go on forever... > > > > > > > > yet that do so without rhyme nor reason. > > > > > > > > you seem to posses an unbelievably quirky imagination. > > > > > > > > regardless of what has been said or proven.. > > > > > > > > you seem to MUST have it your way.. > > > > > > > > way beyond or even before there is any 'reasoning'. > > > > > > > > this may indeed beyond your ken... > > > > > > > > though it is in fact the 'given' of any rational proofs or > statements. > > > > > > > > in mathematics, logic, philosophy...well darn..the list encompasses > > > > > > > > all fields of endeavor and human thought, calculation, science or > > even > > > > > > > > spirituality....EVEN music theory. > > > > > > > > trust me. > > > > > > > > conversely.. > > > > > > > > X is false 'because' there is no proof of X > > > > > > > > X is false 'and so' there is no proof of X. > > > > > > > > without your understanding of these basic premises.. > > > > > > > > we find the 'wherein' of your delusional misunderstanding of baba's > > > > > > > > doings. > > > > > > > > well let us move on to my replies.. > > > > > > > > (as opposed to 'reactions..two quite different terms kiddo) > > > > > > > > baba wouldn't dream of not affably and appropriately responding to > > > > > > > > your posts.. > > > > > > > > and doing so without care or reactive elements. > > > > > > > > to act reactively would just be to thwart the assistance i > freely am > > > > > > > > giving you. > > > > > > > > and no thanks are required. > > > > > > > > baba is kind and gentle by nature and... > > > > > > > > gracious beyond measure in his compassion for the lost. > > > > > > > > hallelujah! hallelujah! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " You believe not to believe " > > > > > You say " Baba has no beliefs " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes this also is true. > > > > > > > > a dark truth for those without Understanding. > > > > > > > > but truth nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say " why do you feel hurt " > > > > > You say " Baba cannot be hurt " > > > > > etc etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again true. > > > > > > > > i'm astounded that you have finally stated correctly a few of > baba's > > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > good for stevie and two points and a silver sticker star for your > > > > > > > > diary this day. > > > > > > > > i'm proud of you son! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, those are mere reactions: > > > > > defensive, predictable, automatic... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no i don't see that at all stevie. > > > > > > > > i don't think many would. > > > > > > > > however your reactions to my attempts at edifying you.. > > > > > > > > are most certainly all that. > > > > > > > > do try and follow the Laws of Form and Reason as outlined above. > > > > > > > > once seen and understood and not merely observed as 'words'.. > > > > > > > > those magical formulas.will light a bulb inside you like a sun. > > > > > > > > you will quit existing in your lost dark world of misunderstanding. > > > > > > > > you will still have a long road ahead..but you will at least have > > > > > > > > taken a first baby step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Little Stefan has misunderstood me " > > > > > And on and on you go > > > > > Like a 5 year old boy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well? > > > > > > > > you display the reasoning powers of one even younger. > > > > > > > > or do you here refer to baba? > > > > > > > > if so.. > > > > > > > > it's because the reasoning power of a 5 year old boy is so far > beyond > > > > > > > > your own capacity that that power seems to be the summit of mind. > > > > > > > > it's not stevie..and i think you should know this. > > > > > > > > there are realms and dominions and domains far more pleasurable and > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > and that's a wonderful thing stefan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But thats how our minds do function, > > > > > They are meant to be survival tools, > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speak for yourself stefie. > > > > > > > > i can well see that you are striving to survive.. > > > > > > > > in waters much too deep for you. > > > > > > > > that's hardly amazing and it is kind of brainless too. > > > > > > > > but exercises such as i have suggested will strengthen that mind.. > > > > > > > > and will do so without imperiling it's limited ability. > > > > > > > > baba guarantees your survival steve. > > > > > > > > you have always been and will always be. > > > > > > > > just what you be is up to you unfortunately.. > > > > > > > > and with the way this is going i fear that it will be a super long > > > > > > > > journey towards an understanding of what is what. > > > > > > > > but as bobji has promised...he will not desert you. > > > > > > > > keep up the effort and he will keep up the assistance. > > > > > > > > helping you always, > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Darling Stefan, When love is in the air, there is no motive but the wind beneath our feet, lifting us to where we fly... Love you all so very much, Anna Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Hi Anna and Marc! > > The question about the motive is an important question. > I am not sure myself, but I guess > There is more than just fun and enjoyment... > > As far as defense is concerned > I think such is the nature of the mind > > :-) > Stefan > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi boys, > > > > > > I see you're still playing with yourselves;-) > > > > > > Having fun yet? > > > > > > Wink. > > > > > > A. > > > > > > > > > let's hope that they enjoy all this talk.....without > > meaning....defending Nothingness....at both sides........ > > > > with....or without knowing about > > > > > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Hi Baba what... you gave yourself an Indian title and you do not even know what Babaji means? :-O Stefan Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Babaji, > > > mornin' stevie. > > uh...that's .b bobji baba. > > that's ok son. > > you get everything wrong.. > > anyway..let's have some fun and proceed: > > > > > according to your logic > > the fact that somebody has said > > " the sun moves around the earth " > > Is the prove > > that the sun moves around the earth. > > > firstly..what baba discussed is the platform and protocol of ALL logic > > not 'his' logic'. > > and what you have failed to gleen from those extremely basic premises > > is the substance of what they are saying. > > just saying something about anything is NOT a proof. > > stevie...that's your style. > > you think that by saying the baba said something that he never did.. > > and then not even showing a quote as proof of your conjecture.. > > that you have proven your misconception..or Big Lie. > > you are either being dense intentionally or you are incapable of > > ascertaining the very basics of logical thought. > > this is NOT very germanic of you. > > try some Kant..or Hegel...or Wittgenstein..or Schopenhauer ..or > > Buber...or even a little Einstein ... > > (but then he had to leave there didn't he?.. > > was that because the folk didn't think him as being logical?) > > oh well.. > > different strokes for different folks i guess. > > ...well, there were and are many many more...though they're > > not all of the pure blood...they WERE: > > german... > > damn smart... > > and extremely precise... > > in what they considers a 'proof'. > > or you could check out a few others.. > > say!... > > since your in crete.. > > why not go back to some of the western philosophical > > ground-breakers nearby in greece... > > ah let's see..how 'bout.. > > Socrates...Plato...Aristotle..whoa! there were and are many many > > from there as well. > > and stevie they would be laughing at your 'system' (ha ha) of logical > > proofs as outlined above just as the great baba is laughing at it. > > cripes kiddo..that's not even an ignorant theory.. > > that's just plain wrongheaded and stupid. > > LOL! > > > > > > I am sure thats not what you meant... ? > > > > Stefan > > > > well why the hell suggest it? > > you are correct here though.. > > that's most definitely NOT what the baba SAID..OR... meant. > > that's just more of your bullshit. > > it ain't going to cut the mustard boy. > > god you're weird stefan. > > your pre-kindergarten monitor, > > LOL! > > .b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Hi Baba > > what... you gave yourself an Indian title and you do not even know > what Babaji means? > > :-O > Stefan what...the hell is that all about? that has nothing to do with your using the end title of mahavatar babaji 'placed' upon him and used by his disciples and other nitwits..in place of, and mistakenly so, for: '.b bobji baba'. and stevie....b bobji baba is not an 'indian' name... not east indian nor western aboriginal. you're losing it stefan. well at least you've made an attempt to not try and put meanings and words into baba's mouth that were never there in order to sound as if you've said something... anything... at all. but that doesn't absolve you of skirting the issues and then going on with another erroneous assumption now you're spouting more bullshit. LOL! ..b b.b. p.s... what does the name stefan mean? what does the name babaji mean? what in hell does anyone's name 'mean'? if you linguistically root source any name.. you come up with a history or description of same.. not " meaning " thereof. there is no meaning to a name. a name is a name merely for designation purposes. it has no ultimate meaning. even if you think there is it is fluid and changing through time. but our little steve wants to believe that there is something 'beyond' the oral and written designation... you buy into trivia.. and look for the meanings in the rules for tiddlywinks. oh child! you're a barrel of laughs. ..b b.b. *************************NNB****************************************** > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Babaji, > > > > > > mornin' stevie. > > > > uh...that's .b bobji baba. > > > > that's ok son. > > > > you get everything wrong.. > > > > anyway..let's have some fun and proceed: > > > > > > > > > according to your logic > > > the fact that somebody has said > > > " the sun moves around the earth " > > > Is the prove > > > that the sun moves around the earth. > > > > > > firstly..what baba discussed is the platform and protocol of ALL logic > > > > not 'his' logic'. > > > > and what you have failed to gleen from those extremely basic premises > > > > is the substance of what they are saying. > > > > just saying something about anything is NOT a proof. > > > > stevie...that's your style. > > > > you think that by saying the baba said something that he never did.. > > > > and then not even showing a quote as proof of your conjecture.. > > > > that you have proven your misconception..or Big Lie. > > > > you are either being dense intentionally or you are incapable of > > > > ascertaining the very basics of logical thought. > > > > this is NOT very germanic of you. > > > > try some Kant..or Hegel...or Wittgenstein..or Schopenhauer ..or > > > > Buber...or even a little Einstein ... > > > > (but then he had to leave there didn't he?.. > > > > was that because the folk didn't think him as being logical?) > > > > oh well.. > > > > different strokes for different folks i guess. > > > > ...well, there were and are many many more...though they're > > > > not all of the pure blood...they WERE: > > > > german... > > > > damn smart... > > > > and extremely precise... > > > > in what they considers a 'proof'. > > > > or you could check out a few others.. > > > > say!... > > > > since your in crete.. > > > > why not go back to some of the western philosophical > > > > ground-breakers nearby in greece... > > > > ah let's see..how 'bout.. > > > > Socrates...Plato...Aristotle..whoa! there were and are many many > > > > from there as well. > > > > and stevie they would be laughing at your 'system' (ha ha) of logical > > > > proofs as outlined above just as the great baba is laughing at it. > > > > cripes kiddo..that's not even an ignorant theory.. > > > > that's just plain wrongheaded and stupid. > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure thats not what you meant... ? > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > well why the hell suggest it? > > > > you are correct here though.. > > > > that's most definitely NOT what the baba SAID..OR... meant. > > > > that's just more of your bullshit. > > > > it ain't going to cut the mustard boy. > > > > god you're weird stefan. > > > > your pre-kindergarten monitor, > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Hi Babaji, ask Arvind, he can tell you what " Babaji " means. It is actually something very friendly. Greetings Stefan Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Hi Baba > > > > what... you gave yourself an Indian title and you do not even know > > what Babaji means? > > > > :-O > > Stefan > > > > > what...the hell is that all about? > > that has nothing to do with your using the end title of mahavatar > > babaji 'placed' upon him and used by his disciples and other > > nitwits..in place of, and mistakenly so, for: > > '.b bobji baba'. > > and stevie....b bobji baba is not an 'indian' name... > > not east indian nor western aboriginal. > > you're losing it stefan. > > well at least you've made an attempt to not try and put meanings and > > words into baba's mouth that were never there in order to sound as if > > you've said something... > > anything... > > at all. > > but that doesn't absolve you of skirting the issues and then going on > > with another erroneous assumption > > now you're spouting more bullshit. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > p.s... > > what does the name stefan mean? > > what does the name babaji mean? > > what in hell does anyone's name 'mean'? > > if you linguistically root source any name.. > > you come up with a history or description of same.. > > not " meaning " thereof. > > there is no meaning to a name. > > a name is a name merely for designation purposes. > > it has no ultimate meaning. > > even if you think there is it is fluid and changing through time. > > but our little steve wants to believe that there is something 'beyond' > > the oral and written designation... > > you buy into trivia.. > > and look for the meanings in the rules for tiddlywinks. > > oh child! > > you're a barrel of laughs. > > .b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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