Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Thoughts just appear. They come out of nothing and go back to nothing, like clouds moving across the empty sky. ~ Byron katie I read similar things in many spiritual books and it appeared quite fascinating. For some time, I thought it was really true, but, on close examination, I found that all my thoughts in fact directly or indirectly originate from me and my experiences. I found that just as the rain falls and it fills the ponds and then the water in ponds evaporates under the sun and it falls again as the rain, my thoughts too 'circle' in the same way.. In the night I get dreams, in day, I get thoughts. On first glance, they might seem to be coming from nowhere and for no reason. Yet, on closer examination, I find it is only the *thoughts, memories, experiences, desires, aversions* that I had accumulated before, is coming back in somewhat random looking order. I get thoughts related to my experiences, desires, aversions and memory only. Thoughts come out because of my accumulated memories, experiences and expectation and... not out of 'nothing'. And, because coming out of " my " experience and memories, my thoughts can be quite different than that of a person with very different background, prior knowledge and experience. I am very likely to get thoughts which are different from what I suspect Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, Tom Cruise or David Bekham get... because, their life experiences, memories and expectations are likely to be quite different than mine. --- * All of these together can be called... Samskara. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samskara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 [...] > I get thoughts related to my > experiences, desires, aversions and > memory only. Thoughts come out because > of my accumulated memories, experiences > and expectation and... not out of > 'nothing'. And, because coming out of > " my " experience and memories, my > thoughts can be quite different than > that of a person with very different > background, prior knowledge and > experience. I find this knowledge of my experiences being a major source of my thoughts very valuable because, it tells me that my act of today has potential to create my thoughts of tomorrow and thus, I can work both on the SOURCE and after- effect... and, not just on the after- effect. Without this knowledge, I might have to always deal with after-effect only because I assume I can do nothing about with their origination. If I smoke cocaine or any other drugs today... it might become a source of some related thoughts in the future. If I watch pornography now... it might become a source of some related thoughts in the future. Understanding this link between what I do and what thoughts I might get as result can help me enable me in choosing right action... which I can't if I assume that I am always a helpless 'victim' of the thoughts and they just happen to me out of nothing, without me having done anything to cause them in any way. [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > I found that all my > thoughts in fact directly or indirectly > originate from me and my experiences. > > Sorry, Amigo, but they are coming out of nothing--just like Byron says.What you call me and my wexperiences are just more thoughts. Do thoughts come from thoughts?Fact is, they don't even come out of nothing. They come out of we know not where.All this business of you and your experiences--what are they right now? Memories.What are memories?Thoughts.You, like everybody else, live in a fog of memory.Your whole world--including George Bush and Mahatma Gandhi--are pure figments. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 but there is no you to choose what to think or not think...there is just aliveness, dianaadithya_comming <adithya_comming wrote: [...]> I get thoughts related to my> experiences, desires, aversions and> memory only. Thoughts come out because> of my accumulated memories, experiences> and expectation and... not out of> 'nothing'. And, because coming out of> "my" experience and memories, my> thoughts can be quite different than> that of a person with very different> background, prior knowledge and> experience. I find this knowledge of my experiencesbeing a major source of my thoughtsvery valuable because, it tells me thatmy act of today has potential to createmy thoughts of tomorrow and thus, I canwork both on the SOURCE and after-effect... and, not just on the after-effect. Without this knowledge, Imight have to always deal with after-effectonly because I assume I can do nothing aboutwith their origination.If I smoke cocaine or anyother drugs today... it might become asource of some related thoughts in thefuture. If I watch pornography now...it might become a source of somerelated thoughts in the future.Understanding this link between what Ido and what thoughts I might get asresult can help me enable me inchoosing right action... which I can'tif I assume that I am always a helpless'victim' of the thoughts and theyjust happen to me out of nothing,without me having done anything tocause them in any way.[...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > but there is no you to choose what to think or not think...there is just aliveness, diana > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > but there is no you to choose what to think or not think...there is just aliveness, diana > >> Yes. I take aliveness to mean knowingness.The you is one of the thing- events that somehow arise and get known.what is strange about the you is that unlike other thing-events it has a quality of stickyness that allows it to latch onto other thing-events or arise with them and seem to be their knower--or ,as in the case of the body, seem to be the latched-on-to thing-event itself. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > but there is no you to choose what to think or not think...there is just aliveness, diana > That must be because Tony Parsons says so How can Tony Parsons possibly be wrong or lie; he knows All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > I found that all my > > thoughts in fact directly or indirectly > > originate from me and my experiences. > > > > > Sorry, Amigo, but they are coming out of nothing--just like Byron > says. No problem. I will let you keep your beliefs, I have no problem with them This is what I think: I am 'guessing' and 'reasoning' that people born in Palestine and people born in Afghanistan and trained by Al Qaida can get different thoughts than mine and I might get thought about 'house mortgage' which Bill Gates may not. Further, I might get different thoughts after watching a porno versus attending an Adyashanti lecture. IOW... I think I am just trying to state what might seem quite obvious yet seems to be missing in expressions like... 'thoughts come from nothing'. I see that your 'beliefs' [thoughts] are different, which is fine, maybe, you had different background, expereinces or maybe... you read and believe in different teachers Regards, ac > What you call me and my wexperiences are just more thoughts. Do > thoughts come from thoughts?Fact is, they don't even come out of > nothing. They come out of we know not where.All this business of you > and your experiences--what are they right now? Memories.What are > memories?Thoughts.You, like everybody else, live in a fog of > memory.Your whole world--including George Bush and Mahatma Gandhi-- are > pure figments. Z > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > wrote: > > > > but there is no you to choose what to think or not think...there is > just aliveness, diana > > > > That must be > because Tony Parsons says so > > How can Tony Parsons > possibly be wrong or lie; he knows All if t.p. knew all...he'd shut up. ..b b.b. : for the Silent baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 > AC: I will let you keep your beliefs, > I have no problem with them > > This is what I think: > > I am 'guessing' and 'reasoning' Z: A thought arises and says:Mortgage. And another arises and says: Bill gates wouldn't think this thought Both are just thoughts. The have both appeared.Thoughts and the labels stuck on them saying from whence they have come ARE ALL JUST MORE THOUGHTS.And thoughts happen. That is all we know. Is this a belief or can it be verified by looking? Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > AC: I will let you keep your beliefs, > > I have no problem with them > > > > This is what I think: > > > > I am 'guessing' and 'reasoning' > > > Z: A thought arises and says:Mortgage. And another arises and says: > Bill gates wouldn't think this thought Both are just thoughts. The have > both appeared.Thoughts and the labels stuck on them saying from whence > they have come ARE ALL JUST MORE THOUGHTS.And thoughts happen. That is > all we know. Is this a belief or can it be verified by looking? Z shit happens. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 > > > shit happens. > > .b b.b. > Yes, that is what happens.That pretty much sums up the happening world. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > AC: I will let you keep your beliefs, > > I have no problem with them > > > > This is what I think: > > > > I am 'guessing' and 'reasoning' > > > Z: A thought arises and says:Mortgage. > And another arises and says: > Bill gates wouldn't think this > thought Both are just thoughts. The have > both appeared.Thoughts and the labels > stuck on them saying from whence > they have come ARE ALL JUST MORE THOUGHTS. > And thoughts happen. That is > all we know. Is this a belief or > can it be verified by looking? Z Sure. Watch pornography for 3 days and see what kind of thoughts you get. Then, fast for 3 days and see what kind of thoughts you get. Or, just read Tony parson, Ramesh, Wayne or somebody else... and, just repeat what they say > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 > > Sure. Watch pornography for 3 days > and see what kind of thoughts you get. > > Then, fast for 3 days > and see what kind of thoughts you get. > > > > Or, just read Tony parson, Ramesh, Wayne > or somebody else... and, just repeat what they say > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 > > Sure. Watch pornography for 3 days > and see what kind of thoughts you get. > > Then, fast for 3 days > and see what kind of thoughts you get. > > > > Or, just read Tony parson, Ramesh, Wayne > or somebody else... and, just repeat what they say > > > > Or ,watch your thoughts for forty years and you won't have to repeat what anyone else says--not even Nis, not even Ramana. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > Sure. Watch pornography for 3 days > > and see what kind of thoughts you get. > > > > Then, fast for 3 days > > and see what kind of thoughts you get. > > > > > > > > Or, just read Tony parson, Ramesh, Wayne > > or somebody else... and, just repeat what they say > > > > > > > > Or ,watch your thoughts for forty years and you won't have to repeat > what anyone else says--not even Nis, not even Ramana. not even the 'you' who's been 'watching' (his???) thoughts... for forty years or forty nanoseconds. mysteriously nothing is lost. it wasn't ever there. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > Sure. Watch pornography for 3 days > > and see what kind of thoughts you get. > > > > Then, fast for 3 days > > and see what kind of thoughts you get. > > > > > > > > Or, just read Tony parson, Ramesh, Wayne > > or somebody else... and, just repeat what they say > > > > > > > > Or ,watch your thoughts for > > forty years and you won't have to repeat > what anyone else says--not even Nis, not even Ramana. Is that your 'tried' and 'tested' method, Tom ? Or, is it something that you only recomend to... 'others' ?;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 > not even the 'you' who's been 'watching' (his???) thoughts... > > for forty years or forty nanoseconds. > > mysteriously nothing is lost. > > it wasn't ever there. > > .b b.b. > " You " ,and all other thoughts: nothingness married to " there " . Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 .. > > > Is that your 'tried' and 'tested' method, Tom ? > > > Or, is it something that you only recomend to... 'others' ?;) > I don't know if it is a method or not.When I sit sitll that is what starts to happen. I am not in a position to recommend antything. But it might be fun to sit still and just see what happens. Z!@!@!@!@!@!@Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > . > > > > > > Is that your 'tried' and 'tested' method, Tom ? > > > > > > Or, is it something that you only recomend to... 'others' ?;) > > > > I don't know if it is a method or not. > When I sit sitll that is what > starts to happen. Sure. When you sit still... you start getting STILL. I can believe that. That happens to me too. > I am not in a position to > recommend antything. I think you are just as everybody including me, X, Y, Z and Ramana and Niz are. However, I prefer recomending only what I have tried, tested and found true and useful in my experience. Do you think that's a good practice? [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 > However, I prefer recomending only what > I have tried, tested and found true and > useful in my experience. > > Do you think that's a good practice? > > [...] > If you are going to recommend anything, that is the way to go about it. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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