Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: Namaste, I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are unusual. However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh just another charlatan.......... --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > Namaste, > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are unusual. > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh just > another charlatan..........> > --- End forwarded message --- it's so sad.. i feel like i did when pavarotti died.. or when james brown quit dancin'. one just feels cheated by the fickle finger of fate.. please leave these poor phonies alone! they have to make a living too. :-0 ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are unusual. > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh just > > another charlatan.......... > please leave these poor phonies alone! > > they have to make a living too. > > :-0 > > .b b.b. > Tolle, like everybody else has to be weighed whole and his good points included in the measure. His basic message could be written on a business card.Anybody who has written a book has said a lot of things beside the point. How could it be any other way--words are wild things and are no respecters of author's aims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > I was always > suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just > > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are unusual. > > > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common > > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh > just > > > another charlatan..........> > > please leave these poor phonies alone! > > > > they have to make a living too. > > > > :-0 > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Tolle, like everybody else has to be weighed whole and his good points > included in the measure. His basic message could be written on a > business card.Anybody who has written a book has said a lot of things > beside the point. How could it be any other way--words are wild things > and are no respecters of author's aims. if his message can be written on a business card... or if it required volumes.. it would remain meaningless. words are not just things of the wild.. they are things without wonder. words destroy wonder with empty and hollow and circuitous description. description that defines nothing more than the act of defining. they never reach or attain or explain their supposed target. neither those words nor the author of same have 'aim'. they may have game...but no aim. that's the name of that game. and the play pays nice dividends. that's the power of the pen in the now.. even without being in the know. just use the power of no to his power of now. yet i'm sure he's a good guy.... just inconsequential. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > Namaste, > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are unusual. > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh just > another charlatan..........> Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a statement out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and innappropriate name calling. Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by Eckhart Tolle is: " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. There's some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but nobody can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of innocence. When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our original innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said unless we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. " Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle black... to say something about someone else which is actually true of your self... Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act of taking Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the real fraudulent individual is. Always with Gratitude, Bob C. Fillmore, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Hi, I have never read anything by Tolle, but I am glad that you have clarified this point, Bob. Is this interview somewhere online? About those 6000 years... well. Interestingly the myth of a gone " golden age " can be found in all civilizations over thousands of years. I find this subject fascinating, because it seems that the myths of the currently prevalent religious cults (god, devil, paradise, sin etc...) are so deeply rooted and anchored in our society, that it could be quite liberating (or lets at least say: refreshing) to look at them from a broader historical perspective. The ego has started 6000 years ago? Wow, when it has started at some point in time it is bound to die at some other point, isn't it? Ever optimistic greetings Stefan Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are unusual. > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh just > > another charlatan..........> > > > Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a statement > out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and > innappropriate name calling. > > Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by Eckhart Tolle > is: > " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. There's > some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but nobody > can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of innocence. > When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our original > innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said unless > we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. " > > Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego started > about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. > > Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle black... > to say something about someone else which is actually true of your self... > > Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act of taking > Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the real > fraudulent individual is. > > Always with Gratitude, > Bob C. > Fillmore, CA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Hi, > > I have never read anything by Tolle, but I am glad that you have > clarified this point, Bob. Is this interview somewhere online? *** Greetings Stefan Yes... the interview is online and here is the link... http://commonground.ca/iss/0709194/cg194_tolle.shtml Common Ground - September 2007 It is good that you read the entire interview and see for yourself the content and the context from which Tolle, a great contemporary spiritual teacher, speaks. It is also good that you recognize the irony in that here is a group entitled Nisargadatta... a great sage and annunciator of truth... yet many who post here have a level of consciousness (LOC) below the level of integrity. > About those 6000 years... well. Interestingly the myth of a gone > " golden age " can be found in all civilizations over thousands of > years. I find this subject fascinating, because it seems that the > myths of the currently prevalent religious cults (god, devil, > paradise, sin etc...) are so deeply rooted and anchored in our > society, that it could be quite liberating (or lets at least say: > refreshing) to look at them from a broader historical perspective. > Can anything be true about " historical perspectives? " All " historical perspectives " can be but interpreted perceptions by a conditioned so-called mind... yes? > The ego has started 6000 years ago? Wow, when it has started at some > point in time it is bound to die at some other point, isn't it? The answer lies in a rhetorical question: Does anything exist outside the mind of God? Including egos of 6 billion body/mind entities. Thus, by Grand Design...even a so-called ego... simply an energy field... is generated by the Creator. As Adyashanti says: " God Knows Itself through the experience of being human. " Denying ego is as fundamentally futile as wishing away it's existence. Thus, for so-called " ego " to die as some point... God... it's source... would also need to die. I'll let you decide that likelihood. Identifying with ego as one's true self appears to be mankind's turmoil. Yet, there is no volitional act that can be undertaken to apperceive the truth of the dilemma. An understanding that peace and freedom (from suffering) is achievable by simply (mentally) not identifying oneself as one's ego seems to be a pretty nice concept. However... the understanding either happens... or it doesn't. Eckhart Tolle is reknowed for his ability to simplistically teach the concept that only in the now does life exist. This is detestable to most egos whose existence is threatened by the " Present Moment " because it's energy source is simply " resistance " to what IS in the Present Moment. One might do one's intellect good to read Eckhart Tolle's teachings. Those who appear to despise his works (Eckart Tolle bullshit) always exhibit a very low level of consciousness. Yet by the ignorance of their conditioned so-called mind... they are incapable of perceiving that they lack the intelligence (stupidity) to know better. Another beneficial understanding is that human beings, unaided, cannot innately discern truth from falsehood. Then along comes Dr. David Hawkins who penned the book... Power vs. Force... whereby he introduced to contemporary Western society the magnificent tool called " kinesiology " whereby one now has the ability to discern the truth... and the level of consciousness... of anything. (you might be shocked to know the low level of consciousness of some who post on this group) Ignorance is no longer a valid excuse for stupidity. Since we appear to exist in a dualistic world with a conditioned split-mind... doesn't it also appear to be extremely beneficial to acquire the ability to discern the truth... or lack of it... of anything? If so, you might now find yourself (Consciousness) motivated to check out Power vs. Force. Or maybe not. Cannot be anything but OK either way. Enjoy this moment... it's Consciousness expressed as Life! Nameste. Bob C. Fillmore, CA > Ever optimistic greetings > Stefan > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just > > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are unusual. > > > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common > > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh > just > > > another charlatan..........> > > > > > > Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a statement > > out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and > > innappropriate name calling. > > > > Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by Eckhart Tolle > > is: > > " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. There's > > some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but nobody > > can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of innocence. > > When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our original > > innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said unless > > we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. " > > > > Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego started > > about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. > > > > Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle black... > > to say something about someone else which is actually true of your > self... > > > > Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act of taking > > Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the real > > fraudulent individual is. > > > > Always with Gratitude, > > Bob C. > > Fillmore, CA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 How does Tolle know people were in a state of innocence pre-6000 yrs ago? he is full of shit. Sure nobody knows, but then he goes & makes another random statement about the supposed innocense of prehistoric people.... they could have been just as deluded as we are. I have always said I should start writing self help books. I am in the wrong business. I need to make my millions just like he is by spinning psychobabble with buddhism & new age crap & selling a few books a year that all say the same thing. any body want to buy one? Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are unusual. > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh just > > another charlatan..........> > > > Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a statement > out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and > innappropriate name calling. > > Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by Eckhart Tolle > is: > " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. There's > some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but nobody > can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of innocence. > When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our original > innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said unless > we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. " > > Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego started > about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. > > Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle black... > to say something about someone else which is actually true of your self... > > Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act of taking > Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the real > fraudulent individual is. > > Always with Gratitude, > Bob C. > Fillmore, CA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Hi Bob: I have forwarded your two posts on this subject to GuruRatings [ GuruRatings ] group because I liked what you said in it and I thought more people can benefit from it. I didn't bother asking you for your permission before doing that, sorry for that. Regards, Arvind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Hi Bob, thanks for the link and your email. I would just like to comment one thing, sorry if its a little out of context, but nevertheless it gave me food for thought: " Denying ego is as fundamentally futile as wishing away it's existence. Thus, for so-called " ego " to die as some point... God... it's source... would also need to die. I'll let you decide that likelihood. " I agree that to deny the ego is futile. But I cannot follow your idea that the ego is bound to be there as long as its source (god) is there. Since when is the source dependent on its offsprings? No: everything that is born must die. What comes from a source cannot stay forever. Sooner or later it belongs to the past. Only something which was never born would never die. But this very ego, writing this email, will be gone soon - and, alas, this brilliant brain is going to rot in some graveyard. Stefan Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have never read anything by Tolle, but I am glad that you have > > clarified this point, Bob. Is this interview somewhere online? > > *** Greetings Stefan > Yes... the interview is online and here is the link... > > http://commonground.ca/iss/0709194/cg194_tolle.shtml > Common Ground - September 2007 > > It is good that you read the entire interview and see for yourself the > content and the context from which Tolle, a great contemporary > spiritual teacher, speaks. > > It is also good that you recognize the irony in that here is a > group entitled Nisargadatta... a great sage and annunciator of > truth... yet many who post here have a level of consciousness (LOC) > below the level of integrity. > > > > About those 6000 years... well. Interestingly the myth of a gone > > " golden age " can be found in all civilizations over thousands of > > years. I find this subject fascinating, because it seems that the > > myths of the currently prevalent religious cults (god, devil, > > paradise, sin etc...) are so deeply rooted and anchored in our > > society, that it could be quite liberating (or lets at least say: > > refreshing) to look at them from a broader historical perspective. > > > > Can anything be true about " historical perspectives? " All " historical > perspectives " can be but interpreted perceptions by a conditioned > so-called mind... yes? > > > > The ego has started 6000 years ago? Wow, when it has started at some > > point in time it is bound to die at some other point, isn't it? > > The answer lies in a rhetorical question: Does anything exist outside > the mind of God? Including egos of 6 billion body/mind entities. Thus, > by Grand Design...even a so-called ego... simply an energy field... is > generated by the Creator. As Adyashanti says: " God Knows Itself > through the experience of being human. " Denying ego is as > fundamentally futile as wishing away it's existence. Thus, for > so-called " ego " to die as some point... God... it's source... would > also need to die. I'll let you decide that likelihood. > > Identifying with ego as one's true self appears to be mankind's > turmoil. Yet, there is no volitional act that can be undertaken to > apperceive the truth of the dilemma. An understanding that peace and > freedom (from suffering) is achievable by simply (mentally) not > identifying oneself as one's ego seems to be a pretty nice concept. > However... the understanding either happens... or it doesn't. > > Eckhart Tolle is reknowed for his ability to simplistically teach the > concept that only in the now does life exist. This is detestable to > most egos whose existence is threatened by the " Present Moment " > because it's energy source is simply " resistance " to what IS in the > Present Moment. > > One might do one's intellect good to read Eckhart Tolle's teachings. > Those who appear to despise his works (Eckart Tolle bullshit) always > exhibit a very low level of consciousness. Yet by the ignorance of > their conditioned so-called mind... they are incapable of perceiving > that they lack the intelligence (stupidity) to know better. > > Another beneficial understanding is that human beings, unaided, cannot > innately discern truth from falsehood. Then along comes Dr. David > Hawkins who penned the book... Power vs. Force... whereby he > introduced to contemporary Western society the magnificent tool called > " kinesiology " whereby one now has the ability to discern the truth... > and the level of consciousness... of anything. (you might be shocked > to know the low level of consciousness of some who post on this group) > > Ignorance is no longer a valid excuse for stupidity. Since we appear > to exist in a dualistic world with a conditioned split-mind... doesn't > it also appear to be extremely beneficial to acquire the ability to > discern the truth... or lack of it... of anything? If so, you might > now find yourself (Consciousness) motivated to check out Power vs. > Force. Or maybe not. Cannot be anything but OK either way. > > Enjoy this moment... it's Consciousness expressed as Life! > > Nameste. > Bob C. > Fillmore, CA > > > > > > Ever optimistic greetings > > Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have never read anything by Tolle, but I am glad that you have > > clarified this point, Bob. Is this interview somewhere online? > > *** Greetings Stefan > Yes... the interview is online and here is the link... > > http://commonground.ca/iss/0709194/cg194_tolle.shtml > Common Ground - September 2007 > > It is good that you read the entire interview and see for yourself the > content and the context from which Tolle, a great contemporary > spiritual teacher, speaks. > > It is also good that you recognize the irony in that here is a > group entitled Nisargadatta... a great sage and annunciator of > truth... yet many who post here have a level of consciousness (LOC) > below the level of integrity. > > > > About those 6000 years... well. Interestingly the myth of a gone > > " golden age " can be found in all civilizations over thousands of > > years. I find this subject fascinating, because it seems that the > > myths of the currently prevalent religious cults (god, devil, > > paradise, sin etc...) are so deeply rooted and anchored in our > > society, that it could be quite liberating (or lets at least say: > > refreshing) to look at them from a broader historical perspective. > > > > Can anything be true about " historical perspectives? " All " historical > perspectives " can be but interpreted perceptions by a conditioned > so-called mind... yes? > > > > The ego has started 6000 years ago? Wow, when it has started at some > > point in time it is bound to die at some other point, isn't it? > > The answer lies in a rhetorical question: Does anything exist outside > the mind of God? Including egos of 6 billion body/mind entities. Thus, > by Grand Design...even a so-called ego... simply an energy field... is > generated by the Creator. As Adyashanti says: " God Knows Itself > through the experience of being human. " Denying ego is as > fundamentally futile as wishing away it's existence. Thus, for > so-called " ego " to die as some point... God... it's source... would > also need to die. I'll let you decide that likelihood. > > Identifying with ego as one's true self appears to be mankind's > turmoil. Yet, there is no volitional act that can be undertaken to > apperceive the truth of the dilemma. An understanding that peace and > freedom (from suffering) is achievable by simply (mentally) not > identifying oneself as one's ego seems to be a pretty nice concept. > However... the understanding either happens... or it doesn't. > > Eckhart Tolle is reknowed for his ability to simplistically teach the > concept that only in the now does life exist. This is detestable to > most egos whose existence is threatened by the " Present Moment " > because it's energy source is simply " resistance " to what IS in the > Present Moment. > > One might do one's intellect good to read Eckhart Tolle's teachings. > Those who appear to despise his works (Eckart Tolle bullshit) always > exhibit a very low level of consciousness. Yet by the ignorance of > their conditioned so-called mind... they are incapable of perceiving > that they lack the intelligence (stupidity) to know better. > > Another beneficial understanding is that human beings, unaided, cannot > innately discern truth from falsehood. Then along comes Dr. David > Hawkins who penned the book... Power vs. Force... whereby he > introduced to contemporary Western society the magnificent tool called > " kinesiology " whereby one now has the ability to discern the truth... > and the level of consciousness... of anything. (you might be shocked > to know the low level of consciousness of some who post on this group) > > Ignorance is no longer a valid excuse for stupidity. Since we appear > to exist in a dualistic world with a conditioned split-mind... doesn't > it also appear to be extremely beneficial to acquire the ability to > discern the truth... or lack of it... of anything? If so, you might > now find yourself (Consciousness) motivated to check out Power vs. > Force. Or maybe not. Cannot be anything but OK either way. > > Enjoy this moment... it's Consciousness expressed as Life! > > Nameste. > Bob C. > Fillmore, CA > > > > > > Ever optimistic greetings > > Stefan > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just > > > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are unusual. > > > > > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common > > > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh > > just > > > > another charlatan..........> > > > > > > > > > Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a statement > > > out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and > > > innappropriate name calling. > > > > > > Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by Eckhart Tolle > > > is: > > > " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. There's > > > some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but nobody > > > can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of innocence. > > > When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our original > > > innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said unless > > > we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. " > > > > > > Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego started > > > about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. > > > > > > Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle black... > > > to say something about someone else which is actually true of your > > self... > > > > > > Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act of taking > > > Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the real > > > fraudulent individual is. > > > > > > Always with Gratitude, > > > Bob C. > > > Fillmore, CA Namaste, The mere fact that tolle thinks the ego starts 6000 years ago shows he is a great fraud, mouthing and writing stuff he has learned like a sunday morning preacher and money collector. There were many civilisationson the planet thousands and thousands of years ago. Even the most primitive man suffers from ego for it is the first thought on the sutra of mind. Most of the great frauds like sai baba, muktananda, and now tolle with a new presentation always sound 'true', but enough rope always hangs them.......Tolle is just another fraud and mountebank charlatan making a dollar that's all..........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have never read anything by Tolle, but I am glad that you have > > > clarified this point, Bob. Is this interview somewhere online? > > > > *** Greetings Stefan > > Yes... the interview is online and here is the link... > > > > http://commonground.ca/iss/0709194/cg194_tolle.shtml > > Common Ground - September 2007 > > > > It is good that you read the entire interview and see for yourself > the > > content and the context from which Tolle, a great contemporary > > spiritual teacher, speaks. > > > > It is also good that you recognize the irony in that here is a > > group entitled Nisargadatta... a great sage and annunciator of > > truth... yet many who post here have a level of consciousness (LOC) > > below the level of integrity. > > > > > > > About those 6000 years... well. Interestingly the myth of a gone > > > " golden age " can be found in all civilizations over thousands of > > > years. I find this subject fascinating, because it seems that the > > > myths of the currently prevalent religious cults (god, devil, > > > paradise, sin etc...) are so deeply rooted and anchored in our > > > society, that it could be quite liberating (or lets at least say: > > > refreshing) to look at them from a broader historical perspective. > > > > > > > Can anything be true about " historical perspectives? " > All " historical > > perspectives " can be but interpreted perceptions by a conditioned > > so-called mind... yes? > > > > > > > The ego has started 6000 years ago? Wow, when it has started at > some > > > point in time it is bound to die at some other point, isn't it? > > > > The answer lies in a rhetorical question: Does anything exist > outside > > the mind of God? Including egos of 6 billion body/mind entities. > Thus, > > by Grand Design...even a so-called ego... simply an energy field... > is > > generated by the Creator. As Adyashanti says: " God Knows Itself > > through the experience of being human. " Denying ego is as > > fundamentally futile as wishing away it's existence. Thus, for > > so-called " ego " to die as some point... God... it's source... would > > also need to die. I'll let you decide that likelihood. > > > > Identifying with ego as one's true self appears to be mankind's > > turmoil. Yet, there is no volitional act that can be undertaken to > > apperceive the truth of the dilemma. An understanding that peace and > > freedom (from suffering) is achievable by simply (mentally) not > > identifying oneself as one's ego seems to be a pretty nice concept. > > However... the understanding either happens... or it doesn't. > > > > Eckhart Tolle is reknowed for his ability to simplistically teach > the > > concept that only in the now does life exist. This is detestable to > > most egos whose existence is threatened by the " Present Moment " > > because it's energy source is simply " resistance " to what IS in the > > Present Moment. > > > > One might do one's intellect good to read Eckhart Tolle's teachings. > > Those who appear to despise his works (Eckart Tolle bullshit) always > > exhibit a very low level of consciousness. Yet by the ignorance of > > their conditioned so-called mind... they are incapable of perceiving > > that they lack the intelligence (stupidity) to know better. > > > > Another beneficial understanding is that human beings, unaided, > cannot > > innately discern truth from falsehood. Then along comes Dr. David > > Hawkins who penned the book... Power vs. Force... whereby he > > introduced to contemporary Western society the magnificent tool > called > > " kinesiology " whereby one now has the ability to discern the > truth... > > and the level of consciousness... of anything. (you might be shocked > > to know the low level of consciousness of some who post on this > group) > > > > Ignorance is no longer a valid excuse for stupidity. Since we appear > > to exist in a dualistic world with a conditioned split-mind... > doesn't > > it also appear to be extremely beneficial to acquire the ability to > > discern the truth... or lack of it... of anything? If so, you might > > now find yourself (Consciousness) motivated to check out Power vs. > > Force. Or maybe not. Cannot be anything but OK either way. > > > > Enjoy this moment... it's Consciousness expressed as Life! > > > > Nameste. > > Bob C. > > Fillmore, CA > > > > > > > > > > > Ever optimistic greetings > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was > just > > > > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are > unusual. > > > > > > > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue > of 'Common > > > > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years > ago........Ahh > > > just > > > > > another charlatan..........> > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a > statement > > > > out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and > > > > innappropriate name calling. > > > > > > > > Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by > Eckhart Tolle > > > > is: > > > > " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. > There's > > > > some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but > nobody > > > > can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of > innocence. > > > > When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our > original > > > > innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said > unless > > > > we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of > heaven. " > > > > > > > > Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego > started > > > > about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. > > > > > > > > Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle > black... > > > > to say something about someone else which is actually true of > your > > > self... > > > > > > > > Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act of > taking > > > > Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the real > > > > fraudulent individual is. > > > > > > > > Always with Gratitude, > > > > Bob C. > > > > Fillmore, CA > > Namaste, > > The mere fact that tolle thinks the ego starts 6000 years ago shows > he is a great fraud, mouthing and writing stuff he has learned like a > sunday morning preacher and money collector. > There were many civilisationson the planet thousands and thousands of > years ago. Even the most primitive man suffers from ego for it is the > first thought on the sutra of mind. > Most of the great frauds like sai baba, muktananda, and now tolle > with a new presentation always sound 'true', but enough rope always > hangs them.......Tolle is just another fraud and mountebank charlatan > making a dollar that's all..........> His enlightenment doesn't apparently extend to history, or understanding what the ego is. The fact he states that Eastern Philosophies don't understand the Western Ego is ridiculous. What's more avaricious/Ego than a rampant extra blight on the planet like China or an emerging industrial India. Tolle spouts some truths' don't they all. The ego is the original sin the thief in the palace it has existed for all time.........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have never read anything by Tolle, but I am glad that you have > > > clarified this point, Bob. Is this interview somewhere online? > > > > *** Greetings Stefan > > Yes... the interview is online and here is the link... > > > > http://commonground.ca/iss/0709194/cg194_tolle.shtml > > Common Ground - September 2007 > > > > It is good that you read the entire interview and see for yourself > the > > content and the context from which Tolle, a great contemporary > > spiritual teacher, speaks. > > > > It is also good that you recognize the irony in that here is a > > group entitled Nisargadatta... a great sage and annunciator of > > truth... yet many who post here have a level of consciousness (LOC) > > below the level of integrity. > > > > > > > About those 6000 years... well. Interestingly the myth of a gone > > > " golden age " can be found in all civilizations over thousands of > > > years. I find this subject fascinating, because it seems that the > > > myths of the currently prevalent religious cults (god, devil, > > > paradise, sin etc...) are so deeply rooted and anchored in our > > > society, that it could be quite liberating (or lets at least say: > > > refreshing) to look at them from a broader historical perspective. > > > > > > > Can anything be true about " historical perspectives? " > All " historical > > perspectives " can be but interpreted perceptions by a conditioned > > so-called mind... yes? > > > > > > > The ego has started 6000 years ago? Wow, when it has started at > some > > > point in time it is bound to die at some other point, isn't it? > > > > The answer lies in a rhetorical question: Does anything exist > outside > > the mind of God? Including egos of 6 billion body/mind entities. > Thus, > > by Grand Design...even a so-called ego... simply an energy field... > is > > generated by the Creator. As Adyashanti says: " God Knows Itself > > through the experience of being human. " Denying ego is as > > fundamentally futile as wishing away it's existence. Thus, for > > so-called " ego " to die as some point... God... it's source... would > > also need to die. I'll let you decide that likelihood. > > > > Identifying with ego as one's true self appears to be mankind's > > turmoil. Yet, there is no volitional act that can be undertaken to > > apperceive the truth of the dilemma. An understanding that peace and > > freedom (from suffering) is achievable by simply (mentally) not > > identifying oneself as one's ego seems to be a pretty nice concept. > > However... the understanding either happens... or it doesn't. > > > > Eckhart Tolle is reknowed for his ability to simplistically teach > the > > concept that only in the now does life exist. This is detestable to > > most egos whose existence is threatened by the " Present Moment " > > because it's energy source is simply " resistance " to what IS in the > > Present Moment. > > > > One might do one's intellect good to read Eckhart Tolle's teachings. > > Those who appear to despise his works (Eckart Tolle bullshit) always > > exhibit a very low level of consciousness. Yet by the ignorance of > > their conditioned so-called mind... they are incapable of perceiving > > that they lack the intelligence (stupidity) to know better. > > > > Another beneficial understanding is that human beings, unaided, > cannot > > innately discern truth from falsehood. Then along comes Dr. David > > Hawkins who penned the book... Power vs. Force... whereby he > > introduced to contemporary Western society the magnificent tool > called > > " kinesiology " whereby one now has the ability to discern the > truth... > > and the level of consciousness... of anything. (you might be shocked > > to know the low level of consciousness of some who post on this > group) > > > > Ignorance is no longer a valid excuse for stupidity. Since we appear > > to exist in a dualistic world with a conditioned split-mind... > doesn't > > it also appear to be extremely beneficial to acquire the ability to > > discern the truth... or lack of it... of anything? If so, you might > > now find yourself (Consciousness) motivated to check out Power vs. > > Force. Or maybe not. Cannot be anything but OK either way. > > > > Enjoy this moment... it's Consciousness expressed as Life! > > > > Nameste. > > Bob C. > > Fillmore, CA > > > > > > > > > > > Ever optimistic greetings > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was > just > > > > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are > unusual. > > > > > > > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue > of 'Common > > > > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years > ago........Ahh > > > just > > > > > another charlatan..........> > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a > statement > > > > out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and > > > > innappropriate name calling. > > > > > > > > Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by > Eckhart Tolle > > > > is: > > > > " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. > There's > > > > some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but > nobody > > > > can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of > innocence. > > > > When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our > original > > > > innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said > unless > > > > we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of > heaven. " > > > > > > > > Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego > started > > > > about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. > > > > > > > > Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle > black... > > > > to say something about someone else which is actually true of > your > > > self... > > > > > > > > Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act of > taking > > > > Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the real > > > > fraudulent individual is. > > > > > > > > Always with Gratitude, > > > > Bob C. > > > > Fillmore, CA > > Namaste, > > The mere fact that tolle thinks the ego starts 6000 years ago shows > he is a great fraud, mouthing and writing stuff he has learned like a > sunday morning preacher and money collector. > There were many civilisationson the planet thousands and thousands of > years ago. Even the most primitive man suffers from ego for it is the > first thought on the sutra of mind. > Most of the great frauds like sai baba, muktananda, and now tolle > with a new presentation always sound 'true', but enough rope always > hangs them.......Tolle is just another fraud and mountebank charlatan > making a dollar that's all.......... LOL! and you know Tony... all the 'followers' of those guys are frauds too. not that i'm not a fraud.. but those 'true believers' think that they themselves are not! i've got a hunch though, that those Masters of Bullshit know exactly that they're frauds teaching frauds. it's a strange and wonderful circus. and the world goes 'round and 'round. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have never read anything by Tolle, but I am glad that you have > > > > clarified this point, Bob. Is this interview somewhere online? > > > > > > *** Greetings Stefan > > > Yes... the interview is online and here is the link... > > > > > > http://commonground.ca/iss/0709194/cg194_tolle.shtml > > > Common Ground - September 2007 > > > > > > It is good that you read the entire interview and see for yourself > > the > > > content and the context from which Tolle, a great contemporary > > > spiritual teacher, speaks. > > > > > > It is also good that you recognize the irony in that here is a > > > group entitled Nisargadatta... a great sage and annunciator of > > > truth... yet many who post here have a level of consciousness (LOC) > > > below the level of integrity. > > > > > > > > > > About those 6000 years... well. Interestingly the myth of a gone > > > > " golden age " can be found in all civilizations over thousands of > > > > years. I find this subject fascinating, because it seems that the > > > > myths of the currently prevalent religious cults (god, devil, > > > > paradise, sin etc...) are so deeply rooted and anchored in our > > > > society, that it could be quite liberating (or lets at least say: > > > > refreshing) to look at them from a broader historical perspective. > > > > > > > > > > Can anything be true about " historical perspectives? " > > All " historical > > > perspectives " can be but interpreted perceptions by a conditioned > > > so-called mind... yes? > > > > > > > > > > The ego has started 6000 years ago? Wow, when it has started at > > some > > > > point in time it is bound to die at some other point, isn't it? > > > > > > The answer lies in a rhetorical question: Does anything exist > > outside > > > the mind of God? Including egos of 6 billion body/mind entities. > > Thus, > > > by Grand Design...even a so-called ego... simply an energy field... > > is > > > generated by the Creator. As Adyashanti says: " God Knows Itself > > > through the experience of being human. " Denying ego is as > > > fundamentally futile as wishing away it's existence. Thus, for > > > so-called " ego " to die as some point... God... it's source... would > > > also need to die. I'll let you decide that likelihood. > > > > > > Identifying with ego as one's true self appears to be mankind's > > > turmoil. Yet, there is no volitional act that can be undertaken to > > > apperceive the truth of the dilemma. An understanding that peace and > > > freedom (from suffering) is achievable by simply (mentally) not > > > identifying oneself as one's ego seems to be a pretty nice concept. > > > However... the understanding either happens... or it doesn't. > > > > > > Eckhart Tolle is reknowed for his ability to simplistically teach > > the > > > concept that only in the now does life exist. This is detestable to > > > most egos whose existence is threatened by the " Present Moment " > > > because it's energy source is simply " resistance " to what IS in the > > > Present Moment. > > > > > > One might do one's intellect good to read Eckhart Tolle's teachings. > > > Those who appear to despise his works (Eckart Tolle bullshit) always > > > exhibit a very low level of consciousness. Yet by the ignorance of > > > their conditioned so-called mind... they are incapable of perceiving > > > that they lack the intelligence (stupidity) to know better. > > > > > > Another beneficial understanding is that human beings, unaided, > > cannot > > > innately discern truth from falsehood. Then along comes Dr. David > > > Hawkins who penned the book... Power vs. Force... whereby he > > > introduced to contemporary Western society the magnificent tool > > called > > > " kinesiology " whereby one now has the ability to discern the > > truth... > > > and the level of consciousness... of anything. (you might be shocked > > > to know the low level of consciousness of some who post on this > > group) > > > > > > Ignorance is no longer a valid excuse for stupidity. Since we appear > > > to exist in a dualistic world with a conditioned split-mind... > > doesn't > > > it also appear to be extremely beneficial to acquire the ability to > > > discern the truth... or lack of it... of anything? If so, you might > > > now find yourself (Consciousness) motivated to check out Power vs. > > > Force. Or maybe not. Cannot be anything but OK either way. > > > > > > Enjoy this moment... it's Consciousness expressed as Life! > > > > > > Nameste. > > > Bob C. > > > Fillmore, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever optimistic greetings > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was > > just > > > > > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are > > unusual. > > > > > > > > > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue > > of 'Common > > > > > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years > > ago........Ahh > > > > just > > > > > > another charlatan..........> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a > > statement > > > > > out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and > > > > > innappropriate name calling. > > > > > > > > > > Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by > > Eckhart Tolle > > > > > is: > > > > > " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. > > There's > > > > > some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but > > nobody > > > > > can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of > > innocence. > > > > > When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our > > original > > > > > innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said > > unless > > > > > we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of > > heaven. " > > > > > > > > > > Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego > > started > > > > > about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle > > black... > > > > > to say something about someone else which is actually true of > > your > > > > self... > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act of > > taking > > > > > Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the real > > > > > fraudulent individual is. > > > > > > > > > > Always with Gratitude, > > > > > Bob C. > > > > > Fillmore, CA > > > > Namaste, > > > > The mere fact that tolle thinks the ego starts 6000 years ago shows > > he is a great fraud, mouthing and writing stuff he has learned like a > > sunday morning preacher and money collector. > > There were many civilisationson the planet thousands and thousands of > > years ago. Even the most primitive man suffers from ego for it is the > > first thought on the sutra of mind. > > Most of the great frauds like sai baba, muktananda, and now tolle > > with a new presentation always sound 'true', but enough rope always > > hangs them.......Tolle is just another fraud and mountebank charlatan > > making a dollar that's all..........> > > > LOL! > > and you know Tony... > > all the 'followers' of those guys are frauds too. > > not that i'm not a fraud.. > > but those 'true believers' think that they themselves are not! > > i've got a hunch though, that those Masters of Bullshit know exactly > > that they're frauds teaching frauds. > > it's a strange and wonderful circus. > > and the world goes 'round and 'round. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > Namaste Bbb, You are so right, they are walking around thinking 'I know something you don't', and they know they are fraud devotees as well. I never did it express the idea that way.....thank you..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have never read anything by Tolle, but I am glad that you have > > > > clarified this point, Bob. Is this interview somewhere online? > > > > > > *** Greetings Stefan > > > Yes... the interview is online and here is the link... > > > > > > http://commonground.ca/iss/0709194/cg194_tolle.shtml > > > Common Ground - September 2007 > > > > > > It is good that you read the entire interview and see for > yourself > > the > > > content and the context from which Tolle, a great contemporary > > > spiritual teacher, speaks. > > > > > > It is also good that you recognize the irony in that here is a > > > > group entitled Nisargadatta... a great sage and annunciator of > > > truth... yet many who post here have a level of consciousness > (LOC) > > > below the level of integrity. > > > > > > > > > > About those 6000 years... well. Interestingly the myth of a gone > > > > " golden age " can be found in all civilizations over thousands of > > > > years. I find this subject fascinating, because it seems that > the > > > > myths of the currently prevalent religious cults (god, devil, > > > > paradise, sin etc...) are so deeply rooted and anchored in our > > > > society, that it could be quite liberating (or lets at least > say: > > > > refreshing) to look at them from a broader historical > perspective. > > > > > > > > > > Can anything be true about " historical perspectives? " > > All " historical > > > perspectives " can be but interpreted perceptions by a conditioned > > > so-called mind... yes? > > > > > > > > > > The ego has started 6000 years ago? Wow, when it has started at > > some > > > > point in time it is bound to die at some other point, isn't it? > > > > > > The answer lies in a rhetorical question: Does anything exist > > outside > > > the mind of God? Including egos of 6 billion body/mind entities. > > Thus, > > > by Grand Design...even a so-called ego... simply an energy > field... > > is > > > generated by the Creator. As Adyashanti says: " God Knows Itself > > > through the experience of being human. " Denying ego is as > > > fundamentally futile as wishing away it's existence. Thus, for > > > so-called " ego " to die as some point... God... it's source... > would > > > also need to die. I'll let you decide that likelihood. > > > > > > Identifying with ego as one's true self appears to be mankind's > > > turmoil. Yet, there is no volitional act that can be undertaken to > > > apperceive the truth of the dilemma. An understanding that peace > and > > > freedom (from suffering) is achievable by simply (mentally) not > > > identifying oneself as one's ego seems to be a pretty nice > concept. > > > However... the understanding either happens... or it doesn't. > > > > > > Eckhart Tolle is reknowed for his ability to simplistically teach > > the > > > concept that only in the now does life exist. This is detestable > to > > > most egos whose existence is threatened by the " Present Moment " > > > because it's energy source is simply " resistance " to what IS in > the > > > Present Moment. > > > > > > One might do one's intellect good to read Eckhart Tolle's > teachings. > > > Those who appear to despise his works (Eckart Tolle bullshit) > always > > > exhibit a very low level of consciousness. Yet by the ignorance of > > > their conditioned so-called mind... they are incapable of > perceiving > > > that they lack the intelligence (stupidity) to know better. > > > > > > Another beneficial understanding is that human beings, unaided, > > cannot > > > innately discern truth from falsehood. Then along comes Dr. David > > > Hawkins who penned the book... Power vs. Force... whereby he > > > introduced to contemporary Western society the magnificent tool > > called > > > " kinesiology " whereby one now has the ability to discern the > > truth... > > > and the level of consciousness... of anything. (you might be > shocked > > > to know the low level of consciousness of some who post on this > > group) > > > > > > Ignorance is no longer a valid excuse for stupidity. Since we > appear > > > to exist in a dualistic world with a conditioned split-mind... > > doesn't > > > it also appear to be extremely beneficial to acquire the ability > to > > > discern the truth... or lack of it... of anything? If so, you > might > > > now find yourself (Consciousness) motivated to check out Power vs. > > > Force. Or maybe not. Cannot be anything but OK either way. > > > > > > Enjoy this moment... it's Consciousness expressed as Life! > > > > > > Nameste. > > > Bob C. > > > Fillmore, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever optimistic greetings > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " > <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially > was > > just > > > > > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are > > unusual. > > > > > > > > > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue > > of 'Common > > > > > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years > > ago........Ahh > > > > just > > > > > > another charlatan..........> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a > > statement > > > > > out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and > > > > > innappropriate name calling. > > > > > > > > > > Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by > > Eckhart Tolle > > > > > is: > > > > > " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. > > There's > > > > > some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but > > nobody > > > > > can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of > > innocence. > > > > > When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our > > original > > > > > innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said > > unless > > > > > we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of > > heaven. " > > > > > > > > > > Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego > > started > > > > > about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle > > black... > > > > > to say something about someone else which is actually true of > > your > > > > self... > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act > of > > taking > > > > > Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the > real > > > > > fraudulent individual is. > > > > > > > > > > Always with Gratitude, > > > > > Bob C. > > > > > Fillmore, CA > > > > Namaste, > > > > The mere fact that tolle thinks the ego starts 6000 years ago shows > > he is a great fraud, mouthing and writing stuff he has learned like > a > > sunday morning preacher and money collector. > > There were many civilisationson the planet thousands and thousands > of > > years ago. Even the most primitive man suffers from ego for it is > the > > first thought on the sutra of mind. > > Most of the great frauds like sai baba, muktananda, and now tolle > > with a new presentation always sound 'true', but enough rope always > > hangs them.......Tolle is just another fraud and mountebank > charlatan > > making a dollar that's all..........> > > His enlightenment doesn't apparently extend to history, or > understanding what the ego is. The fact he states that Eastern > Philosophies don't understand the Western Ego is ridiculous. What's > more avaricious/Ego than a rampant extra blight on the planet like > China or an emerging industrial India. > Tolle spouts some truths' don't they all. > The ego is the original sin the thief in the palace it has existed > for all time.........Tony. you are right..... hearing that Tolle tell such things without important meaning.... must be that many people make him a beautiful story telling person.... in order to stay being a " robot of thoughts " (ego)....they are used to be.......with the help of a Guru who don't care about this Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: >The mere fact that tolle thinks the ego starts 6000 years ago shows >he is a great fraud, mouthing and writing stuff he has learned like a >sunday morning preacher and money collector. >There were many civilisationson the planet thousands and thousands of >years ago. Even the most primitive man suffers from ego for it is the >first thought on the sutra of mind. >Most of the great frauds like sai baba, muktananda, and now tolle >with a new presentation always sound 'true', but enough rope always >hangs them.......Tolle is just another fraud and mountebank charlatan >making a dollar that's all......... . ***** Tony... How can one who professes to be intelligent speak so stupidly? Tony says... " The mere fact that Tolle thinks the ego starts 6000 years ago... " That's NOT what Tolle said. And I clearly pointed that out in a previous post that you read. But since truth would obviously bite Tony's ass... he continues to fabricate a false concoction of what Tolle specifically said. Why do you persist at contorting the truth of what was specifically said? Perhaps by continuing to misquote Tolle... out of context... you, Tony, either enjoy acting stupidly or maliciously? Perhaps both considering that your Level of Consciousness is below the level of integrity. It's interesting that you were disturbed about Tolle's comment about ego. Funny thing about ego. " The ego loves its resentment of reality. What is reality? Whatever is. Buddha called it tatata—the suchness of life, which is no more than the suchness of this moment. Opposition toward that suchness is one of the main features of the ego. It creates the negativity that the ego thrives on, the unhappiness that it loves. In this way, you make yourself and others suffer and don't even know that you are doing it, don't know that you are creating hell on earth. To create suffering without recognizing it—this is the essence of unconscious living; this is being totally in the grip of the ego. The extent of the ego's inability to recognize itself and see what it is doing is staggering and unbelievable. It will do exactly what it condemns others for and not see it. When it is pointed out, it will use angry denial, clever arguments and self-justifications to distort the facts. People do it, corporations do it, governments do it. When all else fails, the ego will resort to shouting or even to physical violence. Send in the marines. We can now understand the deep wisdom in Jesus' words on the cross: 'Forgive them for they know not what they do.' " The above content within the quotation marks is by Eckhart Tolle, from his book " A New Earth " , pages 115-116. Yep, I'd say Tolle has you, Tony, pegged... describing you quite well. But Tony...here's the good news. You too, in a flash of insight... see the light... and poof... become enlightened. Imagine... Tony the Guru. Besides charging everybody lots of money to come and hear you teach... you'll have the unique pleasure of apologizing to Mr. Tolle for all the unnecessary nasty things you said about him. Smile... this too will pass. Nameste, Bob C. Fillmore, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 > Yep, I'd say Tolle has you, Tony, pegged... describing you quite well. > > But Tony...here's the good news. You too, in a flash of insight... see > the light... and poof... become enlightened. Imagine... Tony the Guru. > Besides charging everybody lots of money to come and hear you teach... > you'll have the unique pleasure of apologizing to Mr. Tolle for all > the unnecessary nasty things you said about him. > > Smile... this too will pass. > > Nameste, > Bob C. > Fillmore, CA Namaste, Tolle writes so much crap he wouldn't remember. " " There's some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but nobody can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of innocence. When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our original innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said unless we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. " That's his dumb inference from the Common Ground, there is more bagging Eastern Philosophers saying they can't understand the western ego. Go to China and see the western ego rising, but how many egos are there? Tolle is still a mountebank charlatan sunday morning money collecor who doesn't know his arse from his elbow.........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " kristenteagle " <kristenteagle wrote: > > How does Tolle know people were in a state of innocence pre-6000 yrs > ago? he is full of shit. Sure nobody knows, but then he goes & makes > another random statement about the supposed innocense of prehistoric > people.... they could have been just as deluded as we are. > I have always said I should start writing self help books. > I am in the wrong business. > I need to make my millions just like he is by spinning psychobabble > with buddhism & new age crap & selling a few books a year that all > say the same thing. > any body want to buy one? .....it's maybe little easy to judge people like Tolle....only because of some statements..... i could also judge your irresponsible words in here.......very easily...... maybe it's necessary to judge about the own state of realisation/understanding/love/peace......First........ instead to make others responsible for ignorance Marc > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I was always suspect of Eckart Tolle,that he essentially was just > > > selling books. Some of his ideas about a pain body etc are > unusual. > > > > > > However he excelled his ignorance in the present issue of 'Common > > > Ground' by saying the ego only started 6,000 years ago........Ahh > just > > > another charlatan..........> > > > > > > Obviously Tony didn't realize it's most unethical to take a > statement > > out of context compounded by the immoral act of erroneous and > > innappropriate name calling. > > > > Responding to a interview question, the exact comment by Eckhart > Tolle > > is: > > " The whole structure of the egoic mind is an old dysfunction. > There's > > some evidence that the ego started about 6,000 years ago, but nobody > > can say for sure. Before that, humans were in a state of innocence. > > When we go beyond the dysfunction of the ego, we regain our original > > innocence, but on a much deeper level. This is why Jesus said unless > > we become as little children we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. " > > > > Repeat: Tolle stated that " there's some evidence that the ego > started > > about 6,000 years ago BUT nobody can say for sure. > > > > Hmmm... do we not have a case of the pot calling the kettle black... > > to say something about someone else which is actually true of your > self... > > > > Regardless of motive (most likely ego enhancement), the act of > taking > > Tolle's comment out of context clearly demonstrates who the real > > fraudulent individual is. > > > > Always with Gratitude, > > Bob C. > > Fillmore, CA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 want to buy one? > > > ....it's maybe little easy to judge people like Tolle....only because > of some statements..... > > i could also judge your irresponsible words in here.......very > easily...... > > maybe it's necessary to judge about the own state of > realisation/understanding/love/peace......First........ > instead to make others responsible for ignorance > > > Marc > >How true is this! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > want to buy one? > > > > > > ....it's maybe little easy to judge people like Tolle....only > because > > of some statements..... > > > > i could also judge your irresponsible words in here.......very > > easily...... > > > > maybe it's necessary to judge about the own state of > > realisation/understanding/love/peace......First........ > > instead to make others responsible for ignorance > > > > > > Marc > > > >How true is this! Namaste, The trick of guru defenders is always to throw the ball at the detractor instead of facing the facts about their guru or leader. As if the condition of the detractor somehow justifies the bullshit of their guru........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > want to buy one? > > > > > > > > > ....it's maybe little easy to judge people like Tolle....only > > because > > > of some statements..... > > > > > > i could also judge your irresponsible words in here.......very > > > easily...... > > > > > > maybe it's necessary to judge about the own state of > > > realisation/understanding/love/peace......First........ > > > instead to make others responsible for ignorance > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > >How true is this! > > Namaste, > > The trick of guru defenders is always to throw the ball at the > detractor instead of facing the facts about their guru or leader. As > if the condition of the detractor somehow justifies the bullshit of > their guru........ .......ignorance itself.....has no defense*....as i see Marc * even if " Tony " try hard.... you can't escape your Self.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 > Namaste, > > The trick of guru defenders is always to throw the ball at the > detractor instead of facing the facts about their guru or leader. As > if the condition of the detractor somehow justifies the bullshit of > their guru........> Why beat up on gurus?They, like you and me, are doing the absolute best they can.And the only thing they can. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > Namaste, > > > > The trick of guru defenders is always to throw the ball at the > > detractor instead of facing the facts about their guru or leader. As > > if the condition of the detractor somehow justifies the bullshit of > > their guru........> > > > Why beat up on gurus?They, like you and me, are doing the absolute best > they can.And the only thing they can. Z ....good point Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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