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Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then you

remain alone " .

 

And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore thought is

constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And 90%

percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

present.

 

And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

 

Werner

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Hi Werner,

 

here comes another inner dialog:

 

and what Ramana did not know,

that now one can get a virtual dialog partner

for free, which makes the inner dialog

feel even more realistic

 

oh fear, oh aloneness...

why does it take so much courage

to be what we are?

 

Stefan

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then you

> remain alone " .

>

> And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore thought is

> constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And 90%

> percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> present.

>

> And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

>

> Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then you

> remain alone " .

>

> And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore thought is

> constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And 90%

> percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> present.

>

> And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

>

> Werner

 

 

 

 

 

 

'everyone' and every 'who' is always alone.

 

no one else can eat for 'you'..pee for 'you'..shit for 'you'..

 

no one else can see for 'you'.hear for 'you'.feel for 'you'...

 

smell for 'you'..or go to hell for 'you'

 

'you' are born alone, live alone, dream alone, and die alone.

 

who else do you believe is 'inside' there?

 

or 'outside' here?

 

nooooooooooooooooobody!

 

It IS as it is..Has Been and always Shall Be.

 

or as Walter Cronkite says:

 

" And THAT'S the WAY IT IS "

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Hi Werner,

>

> here comes another inner dialog:

>

> and what Ramana did not know,

> that now one can get a virtual dialog partner

> for free, which makes the inner dialog

> feel even more realistic

>

> oh fear, oh aloneness...

> why does it take so much courage

> to be what we are?

>

 

 

Good question, Steafn,

 

Maybe because we never have been accepted as we are but constantly

have been told to be different and to subdue to someone else's

standards like parents, relativs, teachers, priests, lovers, friends

etc. ?

 

Werner

 

 

 

> Stefan

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then you

> > remain alone " .

> >

> > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore thought

is

> > constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And 90%

> > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> > present.

> >

> > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

> >

> > Werner

>

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Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then you

> > remain alone " .

> >

> > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore thought

is

> > constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And 90%

> > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> > present.

> >

> > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

> >

> > Werner

'everyone' and every 'who' is always alone.

>

> no one else can eat for 'you'..pee for 'you'..shit for 'you'..

>

> no one else can see for 'you'.hear for 'you'.feel for 'you'...

>

> smell for 'you'..or go to hell for 'you'

>

> 'you' are born alone, live alone, dream alone, and die alone.

>

> who else do you believe is 'inside' there?

>

> or 'outside' here?

>

> nooooooooooooooooobody!

>

> It IS as it is..Has Been and always Shall Be.

>

> or as Walter Cronkite says:

>

> " And THAT'S the WAY IT IS "

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

Half way true, Bob, as long as you just reduce a human being to a

physical organism.

 

But the soul (in Greek 'psyche') cannot be neglected and that's why

we are here on this forum and not because we eat, pee and shit.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then you

> > > remain alone " .

> > >

> > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore thought

> is

> > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And 90%

> > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> > > present.

> > >

> > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 'everyone' and every 'who' is always alone.

> >

> > no one else can eat for 'you'..pee for 'you'..shit for 'you'..

> >

> > no one else can see for 'you'.hear for 'you'.feel for 'you'...

> >

> > smell for 'you'..or go to hell for 'you'

> >

> > 'you' are born alone, live alone, dream alone, and die alone.

> >

> > who else do you believe is 'inside' there?

> >

> > or 'outside' here?

> >

> > nooooooooooooooooobody!

> >

> > It IS as it is..Has Been and always Shall Be.

> >

> > or as Walter Cronkite says:

> >

> > " And THAT'S the WAY IT IS "

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> Half way true, Bob, as long as you just reduce a human being to a

> physical organism.

>

> But the soul (in Greek 'psyche') cannot be neglected and that's why

> we are here on this forum and not because we eat, pee and shit.

>

> Werner

 

 

Half assed false, Werner.

 

There is not a quarks hairs difference between what is apparent...

 

and what IS.

 

mind, and body, and soul, are not for one instant set apart.

 

no Hell below us..above us only sky..

 

THAT is True.

 

there is no such thing as a half truth.

 

if it's not completely TRUE it's a lie..

 

or in consideration of those who think they really know something...

 

it's a deception.

 

simple as pie really.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then

you

> > > > remain alone " .

> > > >

> > > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore

thought

> > is

> > > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And

90%

> > > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> > > > present.

> > > >

> > > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 'everyone' and every 'who' is always alone.

> > >

> > > no one else can eat for 'you'..pee for 'you'..shit for 'you'..

> > >

> > > no one else can see for 'you'.hear for 'you'.feel for 'you'...

> > >

> > > smell for 'you'..or go to hell for 'you'

> > >

> > > 'you' are born alone, live alone, dream alone, and die alone.

> > >

> > > who else do you believe is 'inside' there?

> > >

> > > or 'outside' here?

> > >

> > > nooooooooooooooooobody!

> > >

> > > It IS as it is..Has Been and always Shall Be.

> > >

> > > or as Walter Cronkite says:

> > >

> > > " And THAT'S the WAY IT IS "

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Half way true, Bob, as long as you just reduce a human being to a

> > physical organism.

> >

> > But the soul (in Greek 'psyche') cannot be neglected and that's

why

> > we are here on this forum and not because we eat, pee and shit.

> >

> > Werner

>

>

> Half assed false, Werner.

>

> There is not a quarks hairs difference between what is apparent...

>

> and what IS.

>

> mind, and body, and soul, are not for one instant set apart.

>

> no Hell below us..above us only sky..

>

> THAT is True.

>

> there is no such thing as a half truth.

>

> if it's not completely TRUE it's a lie..

>

> or in consideration of those who think they really know something...

>

> it's a deception.

>

> simple as pie really.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

Ok, Bob,

 

I have editd my post. Here is the new version:

...........

 

True, Bob, as long as you just reduce a human being to a

physical organism.

 

But the soul (in Greek 'psyche') cannot be neglected and that's why

we are here on this forum and not because we eat, pee and shit.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then

> you

> > > > > remain alone " .

> > > > >

> > > > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore

> thought

> > > is

> > > > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And

> 90%

> > > > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> > > > > present.

> > > > >

> > > > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 'everyone' and every 'who' is always alone.

> > > >

> > > > no one else can eat for 'you'..pee for 'you'..shit for 'you'..

> > > >

> > > > no one else can see for 'you'.hear for 'you'.feel for 'you'...

> > > >

> > > > smell for 'you'..or go to hell for 'you'

> > > >

> > > > 'you' are born alone, live alone, dream alone, and die alone.

> > > >

> > > > who else do you believe is 'inside' there?

> > > >

> > > > or 'outside' here?

> > > >

> > > > nooooooooooooooooobody!

> > > >

> > > > It IS as it is..Has Been and always Shall Be.

> > > >

> > > > or as Walter Cronkite says:

> > > >

> > > > " And THAT'S the WAY IT IS "

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Half way true, Bob, as long as you just reduce a human being to a

> > > physical organism.

> > >

> > > But the soul (in Greek 'psyche') cannot be neglected and that's

> why

> > > we are here on this forum and not because we eat, pee and shit.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > Half assed false, Werner.

> >

> > There is not a quarks hairs difference between what is apparent...

> >

> > and what IS.

> >

> > mind, and body, and soul, are not for one instant set apart.

> >

> > no Hell below us..above us only sky..

> >

> > THAT is True.

> >

> > there is no such thing as a half truth.

> >

> > if it's not completely TRUE it's a lie..

> >

> > or in consideration of those who think they really know something...

> >

> > it's a deception.

> >

> > simple as pie really.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> Ok, Bob,

>

> I have editd my post. Here is the new version:

> ..........

>

> True, Bob, as long as you just reduce a human being to a

> physical organism.

>

> But the soul (in Greek 'psyche') cannot be neglected and that's why

> we are here on this forum and not because we eat, pee and shit.

>

> Werner

 

 

there is 'seemingly' a multiplicity of and an apparent many:

 

'psyches' and 'souls'

 

there is but One Sole Reality..

 

It ain't a soul reality ...nor asshole reality.

 

human beings are a facet(and nothing more) of " THAT " .

 

there is nothing unnatural nor unholy about human or animal functions.

 

you miss the forest for the tree..SOUL for 'souls'/'psyches'.

 

THAT which IS, is Unfathomable, Complete, CAPACITY.

 

" IT " contains ALL, neglects nothing.

 

all imaginary nothings neglect " THAT " ...

 

being hung up on 'this'.

 

'this' being all discrete discriminations of thought and apparency.

 

being here, on this forum, has nothing to do with imaginary choices.

 

even you have said this.

 

in my thought this is indicative of saying that all are ONE.

 

in your way of thinking (in accordance with Libet's studies in

 

'physical' neuro-motor respose time), it is YOU who are trying to

 

reduce human beings to the status of a robotic slug..a reducing to

 

none other than that physical organism that you now say should not be

 

done.

 

what the hell ARE you trying to say then?

 

you can't have it both ways Werner.

 

..b b.b.

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Hi Werner,

 

I am not so sure. Maybe it is due

to a crack in evolution, lets say

The equivalent of the Pythagorean Comma

in the brain... in a way?

 

God:

" Why the hell did they start

to think about thinking...

this was not in the plan "

 

Stefan

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Werner,

> >

> > here comes another inner dialog:

> >

> > and what Ramana did not know,

> > that now one can get a virtual dialog partner

> > for free, which makes the inner dialog

> > feel even more realistic

> >

> > oh fear, oh aloneness...

> > why does it take so much courage

> > to be what we are?

> >

>

>

> Good question, Steafn,

>

> Maybe because we never have been accepted as we are but constantly

> have been told to be different and to subdue to someone else's

> standards like parents, relativs, teachers, priests, lovers, friends

> etc. ?

>

> Werner

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> > There is not a quarks hairs difference between what is apparent...

> >

> > and what IS.

> >

You are right: the apparent is full of being in every quark of it's

much maligned body. Z

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Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

>

> > > There is not a quarks hairs difference between what is apparent...

> > >

> > > and what IS.

> > >

> You are right: the apparent is full of being in every quark of it's

> much maligned body. Z

 

 

right on!

 

we are like 'points' in time or points in a line.

 

without dimension or diameter.

 

and each and all is Alone.

 

no touching nor overlapping is conceivable or possible.

 

yet each 'point' is the fundamental and foundational essence of..

 

Dimension and Duration..

 

All that is Manifest...

 

All that IS spacetime as 'known' and believed.

 

deeply fathomless, inconceivable, inexplicable, incomprehensible..

 

unprovable Necessity are the points that are 'we'.

 

'we 'are the empty and bottomless enigma.

 

Mystery Sovereign and Supreme!

 

Being which is Brim Full to Capacity..

 

Capacity which is Identity and without 'person'-hood.

 

Clear, Brilliant, Dazzling in Darkness most Profound.

 

Sharing together the 'Lord's Supper'..

 

each day, night, moment most small.

 

we ARE the moment.

 

the peace beyond understanding.

 

Timelessness Itself.

 

sharing the much maligned bodies of the seeming Crucifixion.

 

a Crucifixion of Fictions that render All Free.

 

Being..

 

the point of non-understanding standing right before our eyes.

 

when Rooted in THAT..all previous rootings of 'identity' lose their

 

mystical hold on the 'point' that never was or will be..

 

an Adumbration of the Real that is KNOWN as Self.

 

..b b.b.

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>

> right on!

>

> we are like 'points' in time or points in a line.

>

> without dimension or diameter.

>

> and each and all is Alone.

>

> no touching nor overlapping is conceivable or possible.

>

> yet each 'point' is the fundamental and foundational essence of..

>

> Dimension and Duration..

>

> All that is Manifest...

>

> All that IS spacetime as 'known' and believed.

>

> deeply fathomless, inconceivable, inexplicable, incomprehensible..

>

> unprovable Necessity are the points that are 'we'.

>

> 'we 'are the empty and bottomless enigma.

>

> Mystery Sovereign and Supreme!

>

> Being which is Brim Full to Capacity..

>

> Capacity which is Identity and without 'person'-hood.

>

> Clear, Brilliant, Dazzling in Darkness most Profound.

>

> Sharing together the 'Lord's Supper'..

>

> each day, night, moment most small.

>

> we ARE the moment.

>

> the peace beyond understanding.

>

> Timelessness Itself.

>

> sharing the much maligned bodies of the seeming Crucifixion.

>

> a Crucifixion of Fictions that render All Free.

>

> Being..

>

> the point of non-understanding standing right before our eyes.

>

> when Rooted in THAT..all previous rootings of 'identity' lose

their

>

> mystical hold on the 'point' that never was or will be..

>

> an Adumbration of the Real that is KNOWN as Self.

>

> .b b.b.

>

You say we have no face--that part I get. As for the rest--you are

flying high tonight. !@!@!@!@!@!@Z

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Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

>

> >

> > right on!

> >

> > we are like 'points' in time or points in a line.

> >

> > without dimension or diameter.

> >

> > and each and all is Alone.

> >

> > no touching nor overlapping is conceivable or possible.

> >

> > yet each 'point' is the fundamental and foundational essence of..

> >

> > Dimension and Duration..

> >

> > All that is Manifest...

> >

> > All that IS spacetime as 'known' and believed.

> >

> > deeply fathomless, inconceivable, inexplicable, incomprehensible..

> >

> > unprovable Necessity are the points that are 'we'.

> >

> > 'we 'are the empty and bottomless enigma.

> >

> > Mystery Sovereign and Supreme!

> >

> > Being which is Brim Full to Capacity..

> >

> > Capacity which is Identity and without 'person'-hood.

> >

> > Clear, Brilliant, Dazzling in Darkness most Profound.

> >

> > Sharing together the 'Lord's Supper'..

> >

> > each day, night, moment most small.

> >

> > we ARE the moment.

> >

> > the peace beyond understanding.

> >

> > Timelessness Itself.

> >

> > sharing the much maligned bodies of the seeming Crucifixion.

> >

> > a Crucifixion of Fictions that render All Free.

> >

> > Being..

> >

> > the point of non-understanding standing right before our eyes.

> >

> > when Rooted in THAT..all previous rootings of 'identity' lose

> their

> >

> > mystical hold on the 'point' that never was or will be..

> >

> > an Adumbration of the Real that is KNOWN as Self.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> You say we have no face--that part I get. As for the rest--you are

> flying high tonight. !@!@!@!@!@!@Z

 

 

 

 

 

 

there is no such 'me' that flies.

 

but my carpet does so frequently.

 

leaving all behind in it's smoke.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then

> you

> > > > > remain alone " .

> > > > >

> > > > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore

> thought

> > > is

> > > > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And

> 90%

> > > > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> > > > > present.

> > > > >

> > > > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

 

 

P: Is it being alone that you fear? Or not being?

When there is no thought, no one is.

Being alone is just another thought.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then

> > you

> > > > > > remain alone " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore

> > thought

> > > > is

> > > > > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And

> > 90%

> > > > > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> > > > > > present.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

>

>

> P: Is it being alone that you fear? Or not being?

> When there is no thought, no one is.

> Being alone is just another thought.

 

 

 

mundus vult decipi.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet

then

> > you

> > > > > > remain alone " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore

> > thought

> > > > is

> > > > > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night.

And

> > 90%

> > > > > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not

being

> > > > > > present.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining

alone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

>

>

> P: Is it being alone that you fear? Or not being?

> When there is no thought, no one is.

> Being alone is just another thought.

>

 

 

Hi Pete,

 

Which means you are suggesting in order to end that dilemma simply to

have no thoughts, right ?

 

Ok, now tell please how you managed to have a quiet mind - and not

just for 20 seconds but for hours, days, months.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> <wwoehr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet

> then

> > > you

> > > > > > > remain alone " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore

> > > thought

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night.

> And

> > > 90%

> > > > > > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not

> being

> > > > > > > present.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining

> alone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> >

> >

> > P: Is it being alone that you fear? Or not being?

> > When there is no thought, no one is.

> > Being alone is just another thought.

> >

>

>

> Hi Pete,

>

> Which means you are suggesting in order to end that dilemma simply to

> have no thoughts, right ?

>

> Ok, now tell please how you managed to have a quiet mind - and not

> just for 20 seconds but for hours, days, months.

>

> Werner

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pete can't think about anything..

 

not that he ever can find anything to think about.

 

he actually does find lots of things..

 

it's the thinking part of that equation that is lost to him.

 

it's very quiet inside that..er..mind type thing he goes on about.

 

yep..there's no one home upstairs so being a nobody is easy for him.

 

don't take what he says to heart..

 

he doesn't mean anything by it..

 

he means nothing....

 

and doesn't have the capacity to say anything meaningful either.

 

not by any stretch of the imagination.

 

he does get to be a hoot to read when he gets into the booze though.

 

but it's really hard to tell the difference between drunk petey..

 

or on the wagon petey.

 

the difference is very subtle..

 

because his vacuous mind produces the same nothing stuff either way.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

 

 

p.s.

 

he just hates it if your more clever than him.

 

he hates a lot that's written over his head..

 

and therefore he hates a lot of people who have written anything.

 

actually...

 

hating being outdone in cleverness...

 

he must hate everyone.

 

you gotta love a guy like that.

 

what a better gift to give than the gift of laughing at him.

 

the gift that keeps on giving..

 

over and over and over and over...

 

ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa!

 

petey's the best!

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> <wwoehr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet

> then

> > > you

> > > > > > > remain alone " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore

> > > thought

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night.

> And

> > > 90%

> > > > > > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not

> being

> > > > > > > present.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining

> alone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> >

> >

> > P: Is it being alone that you fear? Or not being?

> > When there is no thought, no one is.

> > Being alone is just another thought.

> >

>

>

> Hi Pete,

>

> Which means you are suggesting in order to end that dilemma simply to

> have no thoughts, right ?

>

> Ok, now tell please how you managed to have a quiet mind - and not

> just for 20 seconds but for hours, days, months.

>

> Werner

 

P: Having no thoughts for days, or even hours is not

needed. In fact, it's probably impossible unless the

brain has been severely injured. But the ability to

stop thinking for a few minutes is possible if one trains

the mind to pay attention to bodily sensations, or a landscape,

or a tree, or whatever grabs your attention easily.

 

A quiet mind is not a mind without thoughts, but a

mind in which thoughts don't stir emotions,

desires, and actions. In the quiet mind thoughts,

like well behaved children, don't disturb the peace.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

 

>P: Is it being alone that you fear? Or not being?

>When there is no thought, no one is.

>Being alone is just another thought.

 

Hi Zero Of All Souls (nice to see you here),

 

yes, it must be the fear of dying, the master of all survival tools...

and maybe dying is the ultimate manifestation of aloneness.

 

Just a Sunday morning thought :-)

Stefan

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

>

> >P: Is it being alone that you fear? Or not being?

> >When there is no thought, no one is.

> >Being alone is just another thought.

>

> Hi Zero Of All Souls (nice to see you here),

>

> yes, it must be the fear of dying, the master of all survival tools...

> and maybe dying is the ultimate manifestation of aloneness.

>

> Just a Sunday morning thought :-)

> Stefan

>

 

 

Yes, Stefan,

 

It must be the fear of dying, or to look from its opposite: The drive

to survive.

 

I suppose that the reason why thought is constantly babbling was

established long ago when the child did compensate it's fear of being

alone by talking with objects like dolls ets, or by talkng with mom or

dad not being present, or by talking with other people not being

present, or by talking to Jesus, God, elfs and similar fairy figures.

 

And what else is thought then talking silently ?

 

It is so easy to say that the fear of remaining alone is just a

thought. But this fear of being not nurtured and caressed, of having no

company in case of urgent need, of being deserted is euivalent to a

very real threat of death.

 

We are social beings depending on each other. That's why our survival

strategies are so closely related on others, on being attractive,

surrounded by poeple seeking one's friendship. You know all these,

Stefan, so there is no need to go on ith enumerating all these survival

strategies of our cunning minds.

 

And all those strategies not to get confronted again with this fear of

remaing alone, of havíng to die, is reflected in this constant babbling

thought.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > <wwoehr@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet

> > then

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > remain alone " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore

> > > > thought

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night.

> > And

> > > > 90%

> > > > > > > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not

> > being

> > > > > > > > present.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining

> > alone.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > P: Is it being alone that you fear? Or not being?

> > > When there is no thought, no one is.

> > > Being alone is just another thought.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Hi Pete,

> >

> > Which means you are suggesting in order to end that dilemma simply to

> > have no thoughts, right ?

> >

> > Ok, now tell please how you managed to have a quiet mind - and not

> > just for 20 seconds but for hours, days, months.

> >

> > Werner

>

> P: Having no thoughts for days, or even hours is not

> needed. In fact, it's probably impossible unless the

> brain has been severely injured. But the ability to

> stop thinking for a few minutes is possible if one trains

> the mind to pay attention to bodily sensations, or a landscape,

> or a tree, or whatever grabs your attention easily.

>

> A quiet mind is not a mind without thoughts, but a

> mind in which thoughts don't stir emotions,

> desires, and actions. In the quiet mind thoughts,

> like well behaved children, don't disturb the peace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

only the mind of a well behaved child could come up with that

 

childish bullshit.

 

you've got the stuff my son.

 

nice boy P.!

 

now do your thing...

 

be still little guy.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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As has been said: we are alone whether we like it or not.That is what

is meant by non-duality.The world is one. You can't experience anything

but yourself. You are always dealing with your own feeling.Etc. Anyone

can repeat this stuff. Who feels it? Everything you experience is

yourself.Your Big Self.This does not mean that the body you call you is

the tree in front of it. It means that both tree and body are

experiences of Big Self.Big Self experiences things by becoming them.By

being them.It knows by being. How to see this?Well.I guess all you can

do it sit still and look.And the only way you will do that is when you

despair of every other approach which seems more fun and promising. Z

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

>

> >P: Is it being alone that you fear? Or not being?

> >When there is no thought, no one is.

> >Being alone is just another thought.

>

> Hi Zero Of All Souls (nice to see you here),

>

> yes, it must be the fear of dying, the master of all survival tools...

> and maybe dying is the ultimate manifestation of aloneness.

>

> Just a Sunday morning thought :-)

> Stefan

 

HI Stefan,

It's good to read your thoughts.

 

Why do I return to this tawdry life of separation?

Why do I forsake Oneness to go back to my thoughts?

 

Isn't it obvious, Sir? You dream you own your life,

You dream you own your thoughts, while Oneness

And its grandeur that no one can own.

 

Pete

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Ramana Maharshi said to a visitor " When thought is quiet then

you

> > > remain alone " .

> > >

> > > And indeed, I am afraid of remaining alone and therefore

thought

> is

> > > constantly babbling from early morning till late night. And 90%

> > > percent of my thoughts are inner dialogs with people not being

> > > present.

> > >

> > > And thought never gets quiet because I fear remaining alone.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 'everyone' and every 'who' is always alone.

> >

> > no one else can eat for 'you'..pee for 'you'..shit for 'you'..

> >

> > no one else can see for 'you'.hear for 'you'.feel for 'you'...

> >

> > smell for 'you'..or go to hell for 'you'

> >

> > 'you' are born alone, live alone, dream alone, and die alone.

> >

> > who else do you believe is 'inside' there?

> >

> > or 'outside' here?

> >

> > nooooooooooooooooobody!

> >

> > It IS as it is..Has Been and always Shall Be.

> >

> > or as Walter Cronkite says:

> >

> > " And THAT'S the WAY IT IS "

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> Half way true, Bob, as long as you just reduce a human being to a

> physical organism.

>

> But the soul (in Greek 'psyche') cannot be neglected and that's why

> we are here on this forum and not because we eat, pee and shit.

>

> Werner

 

 

Half way true, Werner........

 

do you realy believe that " soul " is something individual?....

 

 

Marc

 

Ps: still happy to share & read nice definition/concepts....you found

in nice books around?....:)

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Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

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> As has been said: we are alone whether we like it or not.That is what

> is meant by non-duality.The world is one. You can't experience

anything

> but yourself. You are always dealing with your own feeling.Etc.

Anyone

> can repeat this stuff. Who feels it? Everything you experience is

> yourself.Your Big Self.This does not mean that the body you call you

is

> the tree in front of it. It means that both tree and body are

> experiences of Big Self.Big Self experiences things by becoming

them.By

> being them.It knows by being. How to see this?Well.I guess all you

can

> do it sit still and look.And the only way you will do that is when

you

> despair of every other approach which seems more fun and promising. Z

>

Z,

I like it. Your sword cuts to the chase there Zorro. I can read and

repeat, read and repeat and get it, and believe it and even know it is

all a joke but it will never be enough.

As for little Joe here,despair is full blown but the door through is

slammed shut. And I can't get that fucker open. But I will say this:

living in despair is certainly better than hoping to be saved.

Joe

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