Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up Marc Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " is serving " who " ......means, to be....just oneSelf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up > > > Marc > > > Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " is serving " who " > .....means, to be....just oneSelf > Yes, oh venerable Marc, Feeding the poor, helping and offerig relief to the handicapped, comforting the lonely ones and not to forget - preaching Love, Peace and Harmony. And the nice side effect of serving humanity is that one can feel sooooooo important, doenn't one, dear humanist Marc ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " is > serving " who " > > .....means, to be....just oneSelf > > > > > Yes, oh venerable Marc, > > Feeding the poor, helping and offerig relief to the handicapped, > comforting the lonely ones and not to forget - preaching Love, Peace > and Harmony. > > And the nice side effect of serving humanity is that one can feel > sooooooo important, doenn't one, dear humanist Marc ? > > Werner dearest soul Werner, .....does it happen....sometimes......that " you " , realy know/understand.....what you do and want....and don't want....and don't do.....etc? Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " is > > serving " who " > > > .....means, to be....just oneSelf > > > > > > > > > Yes, oh venerable Marc, > > > > Feeding the poor, helping and offerig relief to the handicapped, > > comforting the lonely ones and not to forget - preaching Love, > Peace > > and Harmony. > > > > And the nice side effect of serving humanity is that one can feel > > sooooooo important, doenn't one, dear humanist Marc ? > > > > Werner > > > dearest soul Werner, > > ....does it happen....sometimes......that " you " , realy > know/understand.....what you do and want....and don't want....and > don't do.....etc? > > > > Marc no he's much too important to even think about that stuff. he aborts those thoughts before they reach consciousness. he's got a neuroscience (he heee) connection. and a mindless erection. or in words more fitting.. he's got a hard on about anything that he disagrees with. at least he thinks he disagrees... seconds after the disagreeable thought first truly arises... somewhere or other.. evolution's grand slam plan researched and proven. ain't it great! actually no...it's dimwitted... and by his own admission...slow on the uptake. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " is > > > serving " who " > > > > .....means, to be....just oneSelf > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, oh venerable Marc, > > > > > > Feeding the poor, helping and offerig relief to the handicapped, > > > comforting the lonely ones and not to forget - preaching Love, > > Peace > > > and Harmony. > > > > > > And the nice side effect of serving humanity is that one can feel > > > sooooooo important, doenn't one, dear humanist Marc ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > dearest soul Werner, > > > > ....does it happen....sometimes......that " you " , realy > > know/understand.....what you do and want....and don't want....and > > don't do.....etc? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > no he's much too important to even think about that stuff. > > he aborts those thoughts before they reach consciousness. > > he's got a neuroscience (he heee) connection. > > and a mindless erection. > > or in words more fitting.. > > he's got a hard on about anything that he disagrees with. > > at least he thinks he disagrees... > > seconds after the disagreeable thought first truly arises... > > somewhere or other.. > > evolution's grand slam plan researched and proven. > > ain't it great! > > actually no...it's dimwitted... > > and by his own admission...slow on the uptake. > > .b b.b. lol yes, Werner could learn much about " his " soul....reading your words.... he would finally understand what it Is....in/to which he imagine to disagree with etc.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " is > > serving " who " > > > .....means, to be....just oneSelf > > > > > > > > > Yes, oh venerable Marc, > > > > Feeding the poor, helping and offerig relief to the handicapped, > > comforting the lonely ones and not to forget - preaching Love, > Peace > > and Harmony. > > > > And the nice side effect of serving humanity is that one can feel > > sooooooo important, doenn't one, dear humanist Marc ? > > > > Werner > > > dearest soul Werner, > > ....does it happen....sometimes......that " you " , realy > know/understand.....what you do and want....and don't want....and > don't do.....etc? > > > > Marc > > > Marc, 'humanity' is just an idea and besides that idea it does not exist. Serving humanity therefore means serving an idea. The question now is, and you have to see that, who is the server ? There are two: 1) The idea of humanity 2) The one who wants to serve that idea. Without the server no serving, right ? Now, the server is his motiviation to serve. Without motivation there is no server. That is so obvious. And what is the motivitation ? Is it something noble, is it's root self-importance, or even a more or less mild megalomania ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " is > > > serving " who " > > > > .....means, to be....just oneSelf > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, oh venerable Marc, > > > > > > Feeding the poor, helping and offerig relief to the handicapped, > > > comforting the lonely ones and not to forget - preaching Love, > > Peace > > > and Harmony. > > > > > > And the nice side effect of serving humanity is that one can feel > > > sooooooo important, doenn't one, dear humanist Marc ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > dearest soul Werner, > > > > ....does it happen....sometimes......that " you " , realy > > know/understand.....what you do and want....and don't want....and > > don't do.....etc? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Marc, > > 'humanity' is just an idea and besides that idea it does not exist. > > Serving humanity therefore means serving an idea. The question now > is, and you have to see that, who is the server ? > > There are two: > > 1) The idea of humanity > 2) The one who wants to serve that idea. > > Without the server no serving, right ? > > Now, the server is his motiviation to serve. Without motivation there > is no server. That is so obvious. > > And what is the motivitation ? Is it something noble, is it's root > self-importance, or even a more or less mild megalomania ? > > Werner .....to remind you about what i wrote: " the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up " ... " humanity " is mentioned in the subject sentence.....written, it seem so, by a famous person....etc.... ...... yes.... " humanity " is an idea....like infinite other possible ideas..... yes....agree with you analyse about server and serving..... tending to self-importance and megalomania ...... but people who aren't in conflict with the imaginary entity.... means, who imagine to be body, mind, intellect..... such people don't " serve " an idea......anymore.... they just do It....that's all ..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Wouldn't the sole purpose be to find out what the relationship of the seeker of said purpose is to said purpose if he should ever find it? I mean:Is the seeker capable of acting on the knowledge? Is the seeker capable of acting at all? Does the seeker even exist?So it comes to this: The sole purpose is to find out what is actually going on. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Wouldn't the sole purpose be to find out what the relationship of the > seeker of said purpose is to said purpose if he should ever find it? I > mean:Is the seeker capable of acting on the knowledge? Is the seeker > capable of acting at all? Does the seeker even exist?So it comes to > this: The sole purpose is to find out what is actually going on. Z > as long there is " seeker " there is also more or less " knowledge " .... the seeker...as being an imaginary seperated entity....is acting....for sure/real/unreal....within his/her bubble of imaginary life-dream..... the seeker is as real/unreal as....for example " humanity " is.... yes, sure.... " the sole purpose is to find out what is actually going on " .... and also so.....what isn't going on .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " is > > > > serving " who " > > > > > .....means, to be....just oneSelf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, oh venerable Marc, > > > > > > > > Feeding the poor, helping and offerig relief to the > handicapped, > > > > comforting the lonely ones and not to forget - preaching Love, > > > Peace > > > > and Harmony. > > > > > > > > And the nice side effect of serving humanity is that one can > feel > > > > sooooooo important, doenn't one, dear humanist Marc ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > dearest soul Werner, > > > > > > ....does it happen....sometimes......that " you " , realy > > > know/understand.....what you do and want....and don't want....and > > > don't do.....etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > 'humanity' is just an idea and besides that idea it does not exist. > > > > Serving humanity therefore means serving an idea. The question now > > is, and you have to see that, who is the server ? > > > > There are two: > > > > 1) The idea of humanity > > 2) The one who wants to serve that idea. > > > > Without the server no serving, right ? > > > > Now, the server is his motiviation to serve. Without motivation > there > > is no server. That is so obvious. > > > > And what is the motivitation ? Is it something noble, is it's root > > self-importance, or even a more or less mild megalomania ? > > > > Werner > > > ....to remind you about what i wrote: > " the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up " ... > > " humanity " is mentioned in the subject sentence.....written, it seem > so, by a famous person....etc.... > > ..... > > yes.... " humanity " is an idea....like infinite other possible > ideas..... > > > yes....agree with you analyse about server and serving..... > tending to self-importance and megalomania > > ..... > > but people who aren't in conflict with the imaginary entity.... Marc, Are there two ? One who is the imaginary entity and the other who is in conflict with it ? Or isn't the imaginary entity already the conflict ? > means, who imagine to be body, mind, intellect..... Who is imagining to be the body ? Is there an entity who is is imagining to be the body ? You know, every noun needs a reference, a real existing object which it is pointing at. Like the word 'tree' is referring to a tree. Now, what about the word " I " or " me " ? Because every noun is pointing at real object and so has the noun " I " also to refere to existing object. And thought will use for that " I " an object which always is present and always within its reach and that is the body. As little children we have been trained to take the body as a reference when we have been called by our names. At the very beginning you didn't know who or what this " Marc " should be or could be. And so your parents pressed their forefinger at your chest and repeatedly said your name " This is Marc, that is Marc, Marc, Marc, Marc " . And after a while you got it. Later you learned that instead of using their first names the adults used the word " I " . And Marc did that too. And today ? Today the body is under the bane of that word " I " . It is a like a magic spell which never voluntarily will leave you. Do what you want, you can't get rid of it, you can't escape it. Also this trick calling yoursef the " resl Self " won't losen that spell. It sits like malaria in every cell of your body. Werner > such people don't " serve " an idea......anymore.... > they just do It....that's all > > .... > > > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " is > > > > > serving " who " > > > > > > .....means, to be....just oneSelf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, oh venerable Marc, > > > > > > > > > > Feeding the poor, helping and offerig relief to the > > handicapped, > > > > > comforting the lonely ones and not to forget - preaching > Love, > > > > Peace > > > > > and Harmony. > > > > > > > > > > And the nice side effect of serving humanity is that one can > > feel > > > > > sooooooo important, doenn't one, dear humanist Marc ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest soul Werner, > > > > > > > > ....does it happen....sometimes......that " you " , realy > > > > know/understand.....what you do and want....and don't > want....and > > > > don't do.....etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > 'humanity' is just an idea and besides that idea it does not > exist. > > > > > > Serving humanity therefore means serving an idea. The question > now > > > is, and you have to see that, who is the server ? > > > > > > There are two: > > > > > > 1) The idea of humanity > > > 2) The one who wants to serve that idea. > > > > > > Without the server no serving, right ? > > > > > > Now, the server is his motiviation to serve. Without motivation > > there > > > is no server. That is so obvious. > > > > > > And what is the motivitation ? Is it something noble, is it's > root > > > self-importance, or even a more or less mild megalomania ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > ....to remind you about what i wrote: > > " the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up " ... > > > > " humanity " is mentioned in the subject sentence.....written, it > seem > > so, by a famous person....etc.... > > > > ..... > > > > yes.... " humanity " is an idea....like infinite other possible > > ideas..... > > > > > > yes....agree with you analyse about server and serving..... > > tending to self-importance and megalomania > > > > ..... > > > > but people who aren't in conflict with the imaginary entity.... > > > Marc, > > Are there two ? > > One who is the imaginary entity and the other who is in conflict with > it ? Or isn't the imaginary entity already the conflict ? -the imaginary entity is already the conflict ok, for you, Werner, will describe it like that: imaginary entity = conflict > > > > means, who imagine to be body, mind, intellect..... > > > Who is imagining to be the body ? Is there an entity who is is > imagining to be the body ? - the imaginary entity believe that he/she is a body....doing this & that....or being a wonderful " humanist " ...as for example for Werner: imaginary entity = imagination > You know, every noun needs a reference, a real existing object which > it is pointing at. Like the word 'tree' is referring to a tree. > > Now, what about the word " I " or " me " ? Because every noun is pointing > at real object and so has the noun " I " also to refere to existing > object. And thought will use for that " I " an object which always is > present and always within its reach and that is the body. > > As little children we have been trained to take the body as a > reference when we have been called by our names. At the very > beginning you didn't know who or what this " Marc " should be or could > be. And so your parents pressed their forefinger at your chest and > repeatedly said your name " This is Marc, that is Marc, Marc, Marc, > Marc " . And after a while you got it. > > Later you learned that instead of using their first names the adults > used the word " I " . And Marc did that too. > > And today ? > > Today the body is under the bane of that word " I " . It is a like a > magic spell which never voluntarily will leave you. > > Do what you want, you can't get rid of it, you can't escape it. Also > this trick calling yoursef the " resl Self " won't losen that spell. It > sits like malaria in every cell of your body. -LOL.... then Werner.....wish you further nice dreams.....about many nice definitions....like the one of " Werner " ....you have learned since many many years......and are in love to..... .....(just remind you....was " Werner " who talked about " self- importance " .....) Marc > > Werner > > > > > such people don't " serve " an idea......anymore.... > > they just do It....that's all > > > > .... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: then it would/could be possible to understand " who " > is > > > > > > serving " who " > > > > > > > .....means, to be....just oneSelf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, oh venerable Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > Feeding the poor, helping and offerig relief to the > > > handicapped, > > > > > > comforting the lonely ones and not to forget - preaching > > Love, > > > > > Peace > > > > > > and Harmony. > > > > > > > > > > > > And the nice side effect of serving humanity is that one > can > > > feel > > > > > > sooooooo important, doenn't one, dear humanist Marc ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest soul Werner, > > > > > > > > > > ....does it happen....sometimes......that " you " , realy > > > > > know/understand.....what you do and want....and don't > > want....and > > > > > don't do.....etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > 'humanity' is just an idea and besides that idea it does not > > exist. > > > > > > > > Serving humanity therefore means serving an idea. The question > > now > > > > is, and you have to see that, who is the server ? > > > > > > > > There are two: > > > > > > > > 1) The idea of humanity > > > > 2) The one who wants to serve that idea. > > > > > > > > Without the server no serving, right ? > > > > > > > > Now, the server is his motiviation to serve. Without motivation > > > there > > > > is no server. That is so obvious. > > > > > > > > And what is the motivitation ? Is it something noble, is it's > > root > > > > self-importance, or even a more or less mild megalomania ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > ....to remind you about what i wrote: > > > " the sole meaning of life-dream....is to wake up " ... > > > > > > " humanity " is mentioned in the subject sentence.....written, it > > seem > > > so, by a famous person....etc.... > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > yes.... " humanity " is an idea....like infinite other possible > > > ideas..... > > > > > > > > > yes....agree with you analyse about server and serving..... > > > tending to self-importance and megalomania > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > but people who aren't in conflict with the imaginary entity.... > > > > > > Marc, > > > > Are there two ? > > > > One who is the imaginary entity and the other who is in conflict > with > > it ? Or isn't the imaginary entity already the conflict ? > > > -the imaginary entity is already the conflict > ok, for you, Werner, will describe it like that: > > imaginary entity = conflict > > > > > > > > means, who imagine to be body, mind, intellect..... > > > > > > Who is imagining to be the body ? Is there an entity who is is > > imagining to be the body ? > > - the imaginary entity believe that he/she is a body....doing > this & that....or being a wonderful " humanist " ...as for example > > for Werner: > > imaginary entity = imagination > > > > You know, every noun needs a reference, a real existing object > which > > it is pointing at. Like the word 'tree' is referring to a tree. > > > > Now, what about the word " I " or " me " ? Because every noun is > pointing > > at real object and so has the noun " I " also to refere to existing > > object. And thought will use for that " I " an object which always is > > present and always within its reach and that is the body. > > > > As little children we have been trained to take the body as a > > reference when we have been called by our names. At the very > > beginning you didn't know who or what this " Marc " should be or > could > > be. And so your parents pressed their forefinger at your chest and > > repeatedly said your name " This is Marc, that is Marc, Marc, Marc, > > Marc " . And after a while you got it. > > > > Later you learned that instead of using their first names the > adults > > used the word " I " . And Marc did that too. > > > > And today ? > > > > Today the body is under the bane of that word " I " . It is a like a > > magic spell which never voluntarily will leave you. > > > > Do what you want, you can't get rid of it, you can't escape it. > Also > > this trick calling yoursef the " resl Self " won't losen that spell. > It > > sits like malaria in every cell of your body. > > > -LOL.... > > then Werner.....wish you further nice dreams.....about many nice > definitions....like the one of " Werner " ....you have learned since > many many years......and are in love to..... > > ....(just remind you....was " Werner " who talked about " self- > importance " .....) > > > > > Marc Mind if I play boys? :-) The thought that keeps thinking itself into Being-Existence is not the thought that keeps itself going (separately). There is another level of thinking that separates the thinker into one and the same aspect; however, this can only be known by the One who is the thinker, clear-minded and absolutely divested of all 'unskillful means'. Have a great day boys. And I have a poem for you, proving I can think two thoughts at one time, though I still have no clue from whence the ecstatic body comes even if I do know this pain body originator well;-) To All My Lovers Who Never Were I think You would have been a tender Lover fresh with the scent of brilliant green papaya and orange blossom in clever hands, knowing how to fill my untamed cup of effervescent longing I think you would have kissed me like the naked perfection of a simple rose, a Parrish sunrise in a Goddess pose so abundant in the afterglow of a burning taste we would leave in one another's mouth, as we spoke our benediction soul to soul cleansed of the falling leaves of descent into a womb-like rhythm as we took time into our bodies and fashioned this crown of Love. Love and Light, Anna > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > such people don't " serve " an idea......anymore.... > > > they just do It....that's all > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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