Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Wener What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss and Pleasure? A question that you have touched in the previous post. hsin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang wrote: > > Wener > What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss and Pleasure? > A question that you have touched in the previous post. > > hsin > Hsin, Are you sure that I have touched that question ? Maybe it was touched in your mind, but it was not in not in mine. I do not believe in Divinity nor in anything called divine. And I also won't discuss that subject. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Werner No need to be offended, I regret.As for not believing in any divinity, it is very well, but I was under the impression -could be a wrong impression- that discussing mysticism and metaphysics has something to do with Divinity. Sorry to have annoyed you. hsin ___ In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > Wener > > What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss and > Pleasure? > > A question that you have touched in the previous post. > > > > hsin > > > > > Hsin, > > Are you sure that I have touched that question ? Maybe it was touched > in your mind, but it was not in not in mine. > > I do not believe in Divinity nor in anything called divine. And I > also won't discuss that subject. > > Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang wrote: > > Werner > No need to be offended, I regret. There is nothing to regret, Hsin. I in no way felt offended. > As for not believing in any > divinity, it is very well, but I was under the impression -could be > a wrong impression- that discussing mysticism and metaphysics has > something to do with Divinity. > Hsin, the day I was finished with all that Divinity stuff and there was no longer an imagined shoulder to lean on, no faith, no hope, no longer any escape left of any of that kind, that was the day when I became a mystic. Werner > Sorry to have annoyed you. > > hsin > ___ > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Wener > > > What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss and > > Pleasure? > > > A question that you have touched in the previous post. > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > Hsin, > > > > Are you sure that I have touched that question ? Maybe it was > touched > > in your mind, but it was not in not in mine. > > > > I do not believe in Divinity nor in anything called divine. And I > > also won't discuss that subject. > > > > Werner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Werner When we think of Divinity as a shoulder to lean on, it becomes no Divinity, because I have transformed and degraded the Divinity to become a material object. Divinity -as I think- is what is left after the " all of me " has withdrawn away to the shade after being experienced as useless. hsin In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > Werner > > No need to be offended, I regret. > > > There is nothing to regret, Hsin. I in no way felt offended. > > > > As for not believing in any > > divinity, it is very well, but I was under the impression -could be > > a wrong impression- that discussing mysticism and metaphysics has > > something to do with Divinity. > > > > > Hsin, the day I was finished with all that Divinity stuff and there > was no longer an imagined shoulder to lean on, no faith, no hope, no > longer any escape left of any of that kind, that was the day when I > became a mystic. > > Werner > > > > Sorry to have annoyed you. > > > > hsin > > ___ > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wener > > > > What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss and > > > Pleasure? > > > > A question that you have touched in the previous post. > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hsin, > > > > > > Are you sure that I have touched that question ? Maybe it was > > touched > > > in your mind, but it was not in not in mine. > > > > > > I do not believe in Divinity nor in anything called divine. And I > > > also won't discuss that subject. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > Werner > > No need to be offended, I regret. > > > There is nothing to regret, Hsin. I in no way felt offended. you shouldn't feel offended w. you should just feel wrongheaded. it's ok.. your thoughts are just a malfunction in Consciousness. very average actually. nothing reprehensible mind you.. just awry and haywire thinking that's all. listen and learn... THAT which is beyond the ken of the poor science you yip on about... beyond it's wildest dreams... the TRUTH awaits. it would do you good my good man. ..b b.b. ******************************NNB************************************* > > As for not believing in any > > divinity, it is very well, but I was under the impression -could be > > a wrong impression- that discussing mysticism and metaphysics has > > something to do with Divinity. > > > > > Hsin, the day I was finished with all that Divinity stuff and there > was no longer an imagined shoulder to lean on, no faith, no hope, no > longer any escape left of any of that kind, that was the day when I > became a mystic. > > Werner > > > > Sorry to have annoyed you. > > > > hsin > > ___ > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wener > > > > What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss and > > > Pleasure? > > > > A question that you have touched in the previous post. > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hsin, > > > > > > Are you sure that I have touched that question ? Maybe it was > > touched > > > in your mind, but it was not in not in mine. > > > > > > I do not believe in Divinity nor in anything called divine. And I > > > also won't discuss that subject. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang wrote: > > Werner > When we think of Divinity as a shoulder to lean on, it becomes no > Divinity, because I have transformed and degraded the Divinity to > become a material object. Divinity -as I think- is what is left > after the " all of me " has withdrawn away to the shade after being > experienced as useless. > Hsin, Whatever Divinity means for you or doesn't mean for you, whatever ideas you have about it - it is all thought. You never dare to finish all you ideas and thoughts of what Divinity is or could be, that it can be degraded or not be degraded, you never dare, Hsin. All those smart and endless discssions about the Divine are just thoughts. The ending of thought in any case is the ending of the Divine. When thought has gone the Divine too has gone. Werner > hsin > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Werner > > > No need to be offended, I regret. > > > > > > There is nothing to regret, Hsin. I in no way felt offended. > > > > > > > As for not believing in any > > > divinity, it is very well, but I was under the impression - could > be > > > a wrong impression- that discussing mysticism and metaphysics > has > > > something to do with Divinity. > > > > > > > > > Hsin, the day I was finished with all that Divinity stuff and > there > > was no longer an imagined shoulder to lean on, no faith, no hope, > no > > longer any escape left of any of that kind, that was the day when > I > > became a mystic. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Sorry to have annoyed you. > > > > > > hsin > > > ___ > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > <hsin_shang@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wener > > > > > What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss > and > > > > Pleasure? > > > > > A question that you have touched in the previous post. > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hsin, > > > > > > > > Are you sure that I have touched that question ? Maybe it was > > > touched > > > > in your mind, but it was not in not in mine. > > > > > > > > I do not believe in Divinity nor in anything called divine. > And I > > > > also won't discuss that subject. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang wrote: > > Wener > What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss and Pleasure? > A question that you have touched in the previous post. > > hsin > Hsin--Grace is everything.Pleasure is just some things. That is:Everything in life is given--but some things " e " want more than others. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > Werner > > When we think of Divinity as a shoulder to lean on, it becomes no > > Divinity, because I have transformed and degraded the Divinity to > > become a material object. Divinity -as I think- is what is left > > after the " all of me " has withdrawn away to the shade after being > > experienced as useless. > > > > > Hsin, > > Whatever Divinity means for you or doesn't mean for you, whatever > ideas you have about it - it is all thought. > > You never dare to finish all you ideas and thoughts of what Divinity > is or could be, that it can be degraded or not be degraded, you never > dare, Hsin. > > All those smart and endless discssions about the Divine are just > thoughts. > > The ending of thought in any case is the ending of the Divine. When > thought has gone the Divine too has gone. > > Werner be careful Werner.... whenever Werner, as somebody, who cared about divinity in the past, and then now....as somebody who care no more about such " thoughts " ....... but in being still the same Werner....learning many things and reading many (scientific) theories/concepts.... .....such Werner.....is still nothing but a thought too.....for all appearing others....on same path........blinded by ignorance.... (a reflection of " Werner " ) ......until the day on which Werner will wake up.......completely.... and then can talk, freely, Again.....about many things like " divinity " ......without any emotions anymore..... but just perfectly in Peace..... Marc Ps: yes......you have the right to refuse to talk about several subjects....like about " divinity " ......... but it's of a thought Only......that yourSelf, ever, have been attached to anything in the past.....or recently....or in the future > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Werner There is no ending of objectless thought. Thought as you know it, is the outcome of your mind. When man has learned to USE CONSCIOUSNESS to suite his mean ends - to prove himself and create his own fantasy world- the type of thought you want to end appeared, this is the type of thought that has to end in order that man might glimpse something new. When man stops using his club over CONSCIOUSNESS and leave it to function as it Originally was, with full trust in CONSCIOUSNESS as well as in what appears as the content of CONSCIOUSNESS, This is enlightenment, Oness, Non-duality, The Divine, Surrender, Letting Go, Sponyaneity, Tao...etc. hsin _________________________________ In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > Werner > > When we think of Divinity as a shoulder to lean on, it becomes no > > Divinity, because I have transformed and degraded the Divinity to > > become a material object. Divinity -as I think- is what is left > > after the " all of me " has withdrawn away to the shade after being > > experienced as useless. > > > > > Hsin, > > Whatever Divinity means for you or doesn't mean for you, whatever > ideas you have about it - it is all thought. > > You never dare to finish all you ideas and thoughts of what Divinity > is or could be, that it can be degraded or not be degraded, you never > dare, Hsin. > > All those smart and endless discssions about the Divine are just > thoughts. > > The ending of thought in any case is the ending of the Divine. When > thought has gone the Divine too has gone. > > Werner > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > No need to be offended, I regret. > > > > > > > > > There is nothing to regret, Hsin. I in no way felt offended. > > > > > > > > > > As for not believing in any > > > > divinity, it is very well, but I was under the impression - > could > > be > > > > a wrong impression- that discussing mysticism and metaphysics > > has > > > > something to do with Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hsin, the day I was finished with all that Divinity stuff and > > there > > > was no longer an imagined shoulder to lean on, no faith, no hope, > > no > > > longer any escape left of any of that kind, that was the day when > > I > > > became a mystic. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to have annoyed you. > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > > <hsin_shang@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wener > > > > > > What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss > > and > > > > > Pleasure? > > > > > > A question that you have touched in the previous post. > > > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hsin, > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure that I have touched that question ? Maybe it was > > > > touched > > > > > in your mind, but it was not in not in mine. > > > > > > > > > > I do not believe in Divinity nor in anything called divine. > > And I > > > > > also won't discuss that subject. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang wrote: > > Wener > What is the difference between Divine Grace or True Bliss and Pleasure? > A question that you have touched in the previous post. > > hsin > Hsin: Here is another take on how true bliss relates to pleasure: it is like the difference between the 35000 volts in a high tension wire and the twice stepped down voltage--24 volts--that is used to open solenoid valves in some hosehold appliances. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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