Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 The scientific view about the universe manifectation is that there was a " Big Bang " billons of years ago and evolution formed organism with consciousness or self awareness in this planet. From what I understand, awareness " project the " external world " in dependence on a body/mind organism. In other words, there is not falling tree in the forest to make or not a sound if no one is there to hear it. So how could evolution take place to form " vehicles for awareness " if at one time, according to evolution, humans [the vehicles for the manifectation of awareness] didn't exist on the planet at that time to knowing, witnessing,cognizing,perceived it ? Atagrasin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " atagrasin " <k1c2 wrote: > > The scientific view about the universe manifectation is that there was > a " Big Bang " billons of years ago and evolution formed organism with > consciousness or self awareness in this planet. From what I understand, > awareness " project the " external world " in dependence on a body/mind > organism. In other words, there is not falling tree in the forest to > make or not a sound if no one is there to hear it. So how could > evolution take place to form " vehicles for awareness " if at one time, > according to evolution, humans [the vehicles for the manifectation of > awareness] didn't exist on the planet at that time to knowing, > witnessing,cognizing,perceived it ? > > Atagrasin " evolution " is just another idea/concept/theorie/reality....appearing through a working mind......means, through time & space depending on the degree of your mentionned " awareness " .......more or less " (degree of) evolution " is " seen " ..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Marc wrote: " evolution " is just another idea/concept/theorie/reality....appearing through a working mind......means, through time & space Yes Marc,we need to questions our assumption of a world which has been created in the course of time.In this model it is assumed that " space " and " time " exists prior to its own existence ,ignoring the fact that time exist as co- ordinate dimension of space-time structure,that is an aspect of the manifected Conciousness [saguna Brahman] expressing itself " in " " as " " throught " a body/mind vehicle.In reality there is an instantaneous creation [including the apparent Observer, the object ,and the world assumed to be the cause of it] that takes place at each moment of experience.In this " simultaneous creation " , some perceived object [thought or sensation] arises implicitly together with the act of knowing it as part of implicit world . In that simultaneous " creation model " , an aparent and assumed world, imply a consciousness of this same world that can include the story of an arrival of organic life and of human consciousness as the end product of a long chain of evolution, in other words,evolution does not happen to Consciousness but is an appearance in Consciousness.The ignorance of this fact, does indeed give the impression of " passing time " in which " Awareness as intelligent energy might have patiently spent eons building forms through which it could manifest-or seemingly manifest through " .This is nothing but a presently arising nice story. Atagrasin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Nisargadatta , " atagrasin " <k1c2 wrote: > > > Marc wrote: > " evolution " is just another idea/concept/theorie/reality....appearing > through a working mind......means, through time & space > > > Yes Marc,we need to questions our assumption of a world which has > been created > in the course > of time.In this model it is assumed that " space " and " time " exists > prior to its own existence ,ignoring the fact that time exist as co- > ordinate dimension > of space-time structure,that is an aspect of the manifected > Conciousness [saguna Brahman] expressing itself " in " " as " " throught " > a body/mind vehicle.In reality there is an instantaneous creation > [including the apparent Observer, the object ,and the world assumed > to be the cause of it] that takes place at each moment of > experience.In this " simultaneous creation " , some perceived object > [thought or sensation] arises implicitly together with the act of > knowing it as part of implicit world . In that > simultaneous " creation model " , an aparent and assumed world, > imply a consciousness of this same world that can include the story > of an arrival of organic life and of human consciousness as the end > product of a long chain of evolution, in other words,evolution does > not happen to Consciousness but is an appearance in Consciousness.The > ignorance of this fact, does indeed give the impression of " passing > time " in which " Awareness as intelligent energy might have patiently > spent eons building forms through which it could manifest-or > seemingly manifest through " .This is nothing but a presently arising > nice story. > > Atagrasin yes....... " we need to questions our assumption of a world which has > been created in the course of time " ....true But one should also....question our assumption of a " body, mind, intellect " * which has been created in the course of time....... .... " who " * is responsible for whatever (attachments to) assumptions.... " who " * else could question all This?..... in Selfawareness there is nobody else.....for real except Brahman..... Marc Ps: Silence is the only " place " .....where No assumption are necessary......to just live.....freely......and liberated as " whoever " ...... " whatever " ..... " whenever " ....... " wherever " .... .....and... forever > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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