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The scientific view about the universe manifectation is that there was

a " Big Bang " billons of years ago and evolution formed organism with

consciousness or self awareness in this planet. From what I understand,

awareness " project the " external world " in dependence on a body/mind

organism. In other words, there is not falling tree in the forest to

make or not a sound if no one is there to hear it. So how could

evolution take place to form " vehicles for awareness " if at one time,

according to evolution, humans [the vehicles for the manifectation of

awareness] didn't exist on the planet at that time to knowing,

witnessing,cognizing,perceived it ?

 

Atagrasin

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Nisargadatta , " atagrasin " <k1c2 wrote:

>

> The scientific view about the universe manifectation is that there

was

> a " Big Bang " billons of years ago and evolution formed organism with

> consciousness or self awareness in this planet. From what I

understand,

> awareness " project the " external world " in dependence on a body/mind

> organism. In other words, there is not falling tree in the forest to

> make or not a sound if no one is there to hear it. So how could

> evolution take place to form " vehicles for awareness " if at one time,

> according to evolution, humans [the vehicles for the manifectation of

> awareness] didn't exist on the planet at that time to knowing,

> witnessing,cognizing,perceived it ?

>

> Atagrasin

 

 

" evolution " is just another idea/concept/theorie/reality....appearing

through a working mind......means, through time & space

 

depending on the degree of your mentionned " awareness " .......more or

less " (degree of) evolution " is " seen " .....

 

 

 

Marc

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Marc wrote:

" evolution " is just another idea/concept/theorie/reality....appearing

through a working mind......means, through time & space

 

 

Yes Marc,we need to questions our assumption of a world which has

been created

in the course

of time.In this model it is assumed that " space " and " time " exists

prior to its own existence ,ignoring the fact that time exist as co-

ordinate dimension

of space-time structure,that is an aspect of the manifected

Conciousness [saguna Brahman] expressing itself " in " " as " " throught "

a body/mind vehicle.In reality there is an instantaneous creation

[including the apparent Observer, the object ,and the world assumed

to be the cause of it] that takes place at each moment of

experience.In this " simultaneous creation " , some perceived object

[thought or sensation] arises implicitly together with the act of

knowing it as part of implicit world . In that

simultaneous " creation model " , an aparent and assumed world,

imply a consciousness of this same world that can include the story

of an arrival of organic life and of human consciousness as the end

product of a long chain of evolution, in other words,evolution does

not happen to Consciousness but is an appearance in Consciousness.The

ignorance of this fact, does indeed give the impression of " passing

time " in which " Awareness as intelligent energy might have patiently

spent eons building forms through which it could manifest-or

seemingly manifest through " .This is nothing but a presently arising

nice story.

 

Atagrasin

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Nisargadatta , " atagrasin " <k1c2 wrote:

>

>

> Marc wrote:

> " evolution " is just another

idea/concept/theorie/reality....appearing

> through a working mind......means, through time & space

>

>

> Yes Marc,we need to questions our assumption of a world which has

> been created

> in the course

> of time.In this model it is assumed that " space " and " time " exists

> prior to its own existence ,ignoring the fact that time exist as co-

 

> ordinate dimension

> of space-time structure,that is an aspect of the manifected

> Conciousness [saguna Brahman] expressing

itself " in " " as " " throught "

> a body/mind vehicle.In reality there is an instantaneous creation

> [including the apparent Observer, the object ,and the world assumed

> to be the cause of it] that takes place at each moment of

> experience.In this " simultaneous creation " , some perceived object

> [thought or sensation] arises implicitly together with the act of

> knowing it as part of implicit world . In that

> simultaneous " creation model " , an aparent and assumed world,

> imply a consciousness of this same world that can include the story

> of an arrival of organic life and of human consciousness as the end

> product of a long chain of evolution, in other words,evolution does

> not happen to Consciousness but is an appearance in

Consciousness.The

> ignorance of this fact, does indeed give the impression of " passing

> time " in which " Awareness as intelligent energy might have

patiently

> spent eons building forms through which it could manifest-or

> seemingly manifest through " .This is nothing but a presently arising

> nice story.

>

> Atagrasin

 

 

yes.......

 

" we need to questions our assumption of a world which has

> been created in the course of time " ....true

 

But

 

one should also....question our assumption of a " body, mind,

intellect " * which has been created in the course of time.......

 

 

.... " who " * is responsible for whatever (attachments to) assumptions....

 

 

" who " * else could question all This?.....

 

in Selfawareness there is nobody else.....for real

 

except Brahman.....

 

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: Silence is the only " place " .....where No assumption are

necessary......to just live.....freely......and liberated

 

as " whoever " ......

 

" whatever " .....

 

" whenever " .......

 

" wherever " ....

 

.....and...

 

forever

 

 

 

 

 

>

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