Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 the witness is as real as the person is. witness is simply a higher level of consciousness as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. I watching the show while eating my popcorn and drinking my soda at the bijou. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > the witness is as real as the person is. > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > drinking my soda at the bijou. > Joe i saw 'Witness' at the bijou myself. Harrison Ford was great! oh those Amish eh? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > the witness is as real as the person is. > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > drinking my soda at the bijou. > Joe > The witness is just more bullshit.Go ask the blind wall Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > Joe > > > i saw 'Witness' at the bijou myself. > > Harrison Ford was great! > > oh those Amish eh? > > .b b.b. > that was great!lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > Joe > > > The witness is just more bullshit.Go ask the blind wall Z > it would seem that you can't make up your mind on what to believe. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Yes, higher levels of consciousness and lower levels of consciousness (in humans) still involve the same one and only awareness. Once one recognizes that someone experiencing a 'lower level of consciousness' is identically significant as someone having a 'higher level of consciousness' enlightenment appears. brian Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > the witness is as real as the person is. > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > drinking my soda at the bijou. > Joe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001 wrote: > > Yes, higher levels of consciousness and lower levels of consciousness > (in humans) still involve the same one and only awareness. > > Once one recognizes that someone experiencing a 'lower level of > consciousness' is identically significant as someone having a 'higher > level of consciousness' enlightenment appears. > > brian > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > Joe > > > brian, this is indeed the truth you speak. I reckon that is called love yeah? Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001 wrote: > > Yes, higher levels of consciousness and lower levels of consciousness > (in humans) still involve the same one and only awareness. > > Once one recognizes that someone experiencing a 'lower level of > consciousness' is identically significant as someone having a 'higher > level of consciousness' enlightenment appears. > > brian > Brian, What do you mean with awareness ? Is it different from consciosuness as Niz has meant being the root or premise of consciousness ? All that is nonsense - what we experience as awareness is just self- awareness which is the body/mind split seen in " I " am aware " . Next time you have some heavy pain, toot ache or in your spine or a colic attack tzen please write down your ideas about awareness and higher or lower levels of consciousness and instantly post them to me. Thank you. Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > Joe > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > > Joe > > > > > > i saw 'Witness' at the bijou myself. > > > > Harrison Ford was great! > > > > oh those Amish eh? > > > > .b b.b. > > > that was great!lol :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@> > wrote: > > > > Yes, higher levels of consciousness and lower levels of > consciousness > > (in humans) still involve the same one and only awareness. > > > > Once one recognizes that someone experiencing a 'lower level of > > consciousness' is identically significant as someone having > a 'higher > > level of consciousness' enlightenment appears. > > > > brian > > > > > Brian, > > What do you mean with awareness ? Is it different from consciosuness > as Niz has meant being the root or premise of consciousness ? > > All that is nonsense - what we experience as awareness is just self- > awareness which is the body/mind split seen in " I " am aware " . > > Next time you have some heavy pain, toot ache or in your spine or a > colic attack tzen please write down your ideas about awareness and > higher or lower levels of consciousness and instantly post them to me. > > Thank you. > > Werner awareness means knowing that Werner doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. the hole is a whole lot more intelligent.. it's obviously empty of itself.. and not so full of bullshit. but what else can be expected of an ass? thank you so much, :-) ..b b.b. > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > > Joe > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@> > wrote: > > > > Yes, higher levels of consciousness and lower levels of > consciousness > > (in humans) still involve the same one and only awareness. > > > > Once one recognizes that someone experiencing a 'lower level of > > consciousness' is identically significant as someone having > a 'higher > > level of consciousness' enlightenment appears. > > > > brian > > > > > Brian, > > What do you mean with awareness ? Is it different from consciosuness > as Niz has meant being the root or premise of consciousness ? > > All that is nonsense - what we experience as awareness is just self- > awareness which is the body/mind split seen in " I " am aware " . > > Next time you have some heavy pain, toot ache or in your spine or a > colic attack tzen please write down your ideas about awareness and > higher or lower levels of consciousness and instantly post them to me. > > Thank you. > > Werner > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > > Joe > > > > > > lordy lordy that was too funny b.b.b. LOL!! b.b.b has my vote as the man to keep levity in the discussion more subtle than any experience or idea is needed Werner. an experience happens in awareness, that is to say you are awareness aware of itself. consciousness is not awareness. consciousness appears in awareness. words get in the way here. it is much more subtle than the words will allow. words are always at least once removed from awareness aware of itself. awarenesss includes all pain and suffering, instead of writing about the toothache(which is just mind) go to the pain of the toothache in your body and hang out. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, higher levels of consciousness and lower levels of > > consciousness > > > (in humans) still involve the same one and only awareness. > > > > > > Once one recognizes that someone experiencing a 'lower level of > > > consciousness' is identically significant as someone having > > a 'higher > > > level of consciousness' enlightenment appears. > > > > > > brian > > > > > > > > > Brian, > > > > What do you mean with awareness ? Is it different from > consciosuness > > as Niz has meant being the root or premise of consciousness ? > > > > All that is nonsense - what we experience as awareness is just self- > > awareness which is the body/mind split seen in " I " am aware " . > > > > Next time you have some heavy pain, toot ache or in your spine or a > > colic attack tzen please write down your ideas about awareness and > > higher or lower levels of consciousness and instantly post them to > me. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > lordy lordy that was too funny b.b.b. LOL!! > b.b.b has my vote as the man to keep levity in the discussion > > more subtle than any experience or idea is needed Werner. > an experience happens in awareness, that is to say you are awareness > aware of itself. > No, Joe, Step back for a moment from all your ideas about awareness sitting in your head and read the folllowing without any impuls to resist or ridicule it. For a moment be neutral. Consciousness is its content which means if there is no content then ther is also no consciousness. And when there is no content then a non-exiting consciousness can also not appear in that, hm-hm, " awareness " . This nonsense of awareness being aware of itself exists since ages and got transferred from guru to guru til today and mindless followers are repeating it again and again. There is no witness and there is no awareness. There is only consciousness which IS its content. Consciousness is all there is. Werner > consciousness is not awareness. consciousness appears in awareness. > words get in the way here. it is much more subtle than the words will > allow. words are always at least once removed from awareness aware of > itself. > awarenesss includes all pain and suffering, instead of writing about > the toothache(which is just mind) go to the pain of the toothache in > your body and hang out. > Joe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 > > > > > The witness is just more bullshit.Go ask the blind wall Z > > > it would seem that you can't make up your mind on what to believe. > Joe. > The witness is that part of the imagination that watches the other part called the world.Really, thee is no witness in direct experience.There is not even any obseervation.There is " what is " and part of what is is an assumption that there is observation of " what is " .That is why it is said, " Observer, observed and observation are one. " Please excuse if this sounds dogmatic.It is subject to change. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I personally wouldn't use the term 'love' to define it, though many do. Brian Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@> > wrote: > > > > Yes, higher levels of consciousness and lower levels of > consciousness > > (in humans) still involve the same one and only awareness. > > > > Once one recognizes that someone experiencing a 'lower level of > > consciousness' is identically significant as someone having > a 'higher > > level of consciousness' enlightenment appears. > > > > brian > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > > Joe > > > > > > brian, > this is indeed the truth you speak. I reckon that is called love yeah? > Joe. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Brian, What do you mean with awareness ? Is it different from consciosuness as Niz has meant being the root or premise of consciousness ? All that is nonsense - what we experience as awareness is just self-awareness which is the body/mind split seen in " I " am aware " . Next time you have some heavy pain, toot ache or in your spine or a colic attack tzen please write down your ideas about awareness and higher or lower levels of consciousness and instantly post them to me. Thank you. Werner .................................................. Werner, Yes, the same. Sentience would be another term. Just? Why do you consider self-awareness of no concern? Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Why do you consider self-awareness of no concern? > > Brian > It is of great concern......to the self. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 ....and to the Self. brian > Why do you consider self-awareness of no concern? > > > > Brian > > > > > > It is of great concern......to the self. > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, higher levels of consciousness and lower levels of > > > consciousness > > > > (in humans) still involve the same one and only awareness. > > > > > > > > Once one recognizes that someone experiencing a 'lower level of > > > > consciousness' is identically significant as someone having > > > a 'higher > > > > level of consciousness' enlightenment appears. > > > > > > > > brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian, > > > > > > What do you mean with awareness ? Is it different from > > consciosuness > > > as Niz has meant being the root or premise of consciousness ? > > > > > > All that is nonsense - what we experience as awareness is just > self- > > > awareness which is the body/mind split seen in " I " am aware " . > > > > > > Next time you have some heavy pain, toot ache or in your spine or > a > > > colic attack tzen please write down your ideas about awareness > and > > > higher or lower levels of consciousness and instantly post them > to > > me. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the witness is as real as the person is. > > > > > witness is simply a higher level of consciousness > > > > > as it all plays out as who I am, awareness. > > > > > I watching the show while eating my popcorn and > > > > > drinking my soda at the bijou. > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordy lordy that was too funny b.b.b. LOL!! > > b.b.b has my vote as the man to keep levity in the discussion > > > > more subtle than any experience or idea is needed Werner. > > an experience happens in awareness, that is to say you are > awareness > > aware of itself. > > > > > No, Joe, > > Step back for a moment from all your ideas about awareness sitting in > your head and read the folllowing without any impuls to resist or > ridicule it. For a moment be neutral. > > Consciousness is its content which means if there is no content then > ther is also no consciousness. > > And when there is no content then a non-exiting consciousness can > also not appear in that, hm-hm, " awareness " . > > This nonsense of awareness being aware of itself exists since ages > and got transferred from guru to guru til today and mindless > followers are repeating it again and again. > > There is no witness and there is no awareness. There is only > consciousness which IS its content. > > Consciousness is all there is. > > Werner > > > > consciousness is not awareness. consciousness appears in awareness. > > words get in the way here. it is much more subtle than the words > will > > allow. words are always at least once removed from awareness aware > of > > itself. > > awarenesss includes all pain and suffering, instead of writing > about > > the toothache(which is just mind) go to the pain of the toothache > in > > your body and hang out. > > Joe > > > Werner Very well, I can dig that. You have another word for awareness you call it consciousness.Same,same. So then we are only really discussing the meaning of words and how pointless is that? But I like the words you choose " conciousness is its content " Well said. But again I say, the witness is as real as the person is real. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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