Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the confusion of identification. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Thanks for coming to Niz, T! I enjoy reading you about 70% of times. I request Bob to give you space and opportunity to participate here and I request you to apply more 'care' when replying to someone else's posts, whatever you write in your post when not replying to and not addressing someone else, is fine for me. I guess we could let people " wake up " on their own schedule and time; like opening of a flower, trying to " hurry " someone else's waking can potentially do more harm than good. Regards, ac [ NNB ] > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the confusion of > identification. > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Hello Helping some one to see is out of the reach of any one's hand. All man can do, is to point at. It is the responsibility of the other partener -who listens- is to see what is being pointed at. Then it is also the job of the listener to move inwardly -against all his inner hinderances to establish the newly seen fact in his everyday life at the expense of the corresponding old. hsin _____________ In Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Thanks for coming to Niz, T! > > I enjoy reading you about 70% > of times. > > I request Bob to give > you space and opportunity to > participate here and I request > you to apply more 'care' when > replying to someone else's posts, > whatever you write in your post > when not replying to and not addressing > someone else, is fine for me. > > I guess we could let people " wake up " > on their own schedule and time; like > opening of a flower, trying to " hurry " > someone else's waking can potentially do > more harm than good. > > Regards, > ac > > [ NNB ] > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the confusion of > > identification. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the confusion of > identification. > > > toombaru talking this way ....about Self and God.....is, indeed, nothing but conceptual confusion....means, identification problems.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the confusion of > identification. > > > toombaru > toombaru I like it! Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the confusion of > > identification. > > > > > > toombaru > > > toombaru > I like it! > Joe. > When you look at all the gods that the self concocts........they are all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as hell. The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the confusion of > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > toombaru > > I like it! > > Joe. > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self concocts........they are > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as hell. > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > toombaru " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about illusions. those are funny. " THAT " however is not amused... " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. imagine that. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the confusion of > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > toombaru > > > I like it! > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self concocts........they are > > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as hell. > > > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about illusions. > > those are funny. > > " THAT " however is not amused... > > " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. > > imagine that. > > .b b.b. > Is that you John Lennon? the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. what a concept! Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the > confusion of > > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > I like it! > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self concocts........they > are > > > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as > hell. > > > > > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about illusions. > > > > those are funny. > > > > " THAT " however is not amused... > > > > " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. > > > > imagine that. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Is that you John Lennon? > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. > what a concept! > Joe. aye! ...and who is NOT John Lennon? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the > > confusion of > > > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > I like it! > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self concocts........they > > are > > > > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as > > hell. > > > > > > > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about illusions. > > > > > > those are funny. > > > > > > " THAT " however is not amused... > > > > > > " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. > > > > > > imagine that. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Is that you John Lennon? > > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. > > what a concept! > > Joe. > > > aye! > > ..and who is NOT John Lennon? > > .b b.b. > Even John Lennon................was not John Lennon. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 John Lennon was John Lennon. Brian > Even John Lennon................was not John Lennon. > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. > what a concept! > Joe. > When the self looks inward......it sees nothing. That should be its first clue. As the opacity of self fades......all other selfs are seen in a new light. They are seen as machinery.......beautiful machinery......but merely machinery never the less. The conceptual overlay looses its hold.....the frozen reality begins to break up and the flowingness shines through......the dream of separation is seen for what it is.........and one begins to surf the moment......exhilarated. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the > > confusion of > > > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > I like it! > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self concocts........they > > are > > > > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as > > hell. > > > > > > > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about illusions. > > > > > > those are funny. > > > > > > " THAT " however is not amused... > > > > > > " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. > > > > > > imagine that. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Is that you John Lennon? > > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. > > what a concept! > > Joe. > > > aye! > > ..and who is NOT John Lennon? > > .b b.b. > I am thinking Yoko maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the > > > confusion of > > > > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I like it! > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self > concocts........they > > > are > > > > > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary > as > > > hell. > > > > > > > > > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about > illusions. > > > > > > > > those are funny. > > > > > > > > " THAT " however is not amused... > > > > > > > > " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. > > > > > > > > imagine that. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Is that you John Lennon? > > > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine > them. > > > what a concept! > > > Joe. > > > > > > aye! > > > > ..and who is NOT John Lennon? > > > > .b b.b. > > > I am thinking Yoko maybe. you're right again. ono is nobody. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001 wrote: > > John Lennon was John Lennon. > > Brian > > > Even John Lennon................was not John Lennon. > > > > > > toombaru > > > There was a mysterious emergence.......predisposed to combine words in a way that resonated with other mysterious emergences. There never was a " John Lennon " . " John Lennon " did not die......He never lived. There never was a " person " within that body-mind named " John Lennon " . Do not confuse the words with the radio. Where do you think that this " John Lennon " thing is now? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the > > > confusion of > > > > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I like it! > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self concocts........they > > > are > > > > > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as > > > hell. > > > > > > > > > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about illusions. > > > > > > > > those are funny. > > > > > > > > " THAT " however is not amused... > > > > > > > > " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. > > > > > > > > imagine that. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Is that you John Lennon? > > > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. > > > what a concept! > > > Joe. > > > > > > aye! > > > > ..and who is NOT John Lennon? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Even John Lennon................was not John Lennon. > > > toombaru of course not. there is not..nor was not.. any 'who'... which was... or is... John Lennon. who knew? 'you'? who 'you'? how now brown cow? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Cremated, my guess. Brian Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@> wrote: > > > > John Lennon was John Lennon. > > > > Brian > > > > > Even John Lennon................was not John Lennon. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > There was a mysterious emergence.......predisposed to combine words in > a way that resonated with other mysterious emergences. > > > > There never was a " John Lennon " . > > > > " John Lennon " did not die......He never lived. > > > > There never was a " person " within that body-mind named " John Lennon " . > > > > Do not confuse the words with the radio. > > > > Where do you think that this " John Lennon " thing is now? > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@> wrote: > > > > John Lennon was John Lennon. > > > > Brian > > > > > Even John Lennon................was not John Lennon. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > There was a mysterious emergence.......predisposed to combine words in > a way that resonated with other mysterious emergences. > > > > There never was a " John Lennon " . > > > > " John Lennon " did not die......He never lived. > > > > There never was a " person " within that body-mind named " John Lennon " . > > > > Do not confuse the words with the radio. > > > > Where do you think that this " John Lennon " thing is now? > > > > > toombaru in Cleveland, Ohio... at The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Elvis however has left the building. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. > > what a concept! > > Joe. > > > > > > When the self looks inward......it sees nothing. > > That should be its first clue. > > As the opacity of self fades......all other selfs are seen in a new light. > > They are seen as machinery.......beautiful machinery......but merely > machinery never the less. > > The conceptual overlay looses its hold.....the frozen reality begins > to break up and the flowingness shines through......the dream of > separation is seen for what it is.........and one begins to surf the > moment......exhilarated. > > > > > toombaru > ah yes, but the ego will have none of that being nothing. there in lies the rub. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the > > > > confusion of > > > > > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > I like it! > > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self > concocts........they > > > > are > > > > > > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as > > > > hell. > > > > > > > > > > > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about > illusions. > > > > > > > > > > those are funny. > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " however is not amused... > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. > > > > > > > > > > imagine that. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Is that you John Lennon? > > > > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. > > > > what a concept! > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > aye! > > > > > > ..and who is NOT John Lennon? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > Even John Lennon................was not John Lennon. > > > > > > toombaru of course not. > > there is not..nor was not.. any 'who'... > > which was... or is... John Lennon. > > who knew? > > 'you'? > > who 'you'? > > how now brown cow? > > .b b.b. is not the 'who' which is not.. not the same as the John Lennon which was not? a not 'what' is a whatnot no? so who is not John Lennon. seems clear here. are you still confused then? well..it's gotta be Rock'Roll Music.. if ya wanna dance with 'me'. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the > > > confusion of > > > > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I like it! > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self concocts........they > > > are > > > > > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as > > > hell. > > > > > > > > > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about illusions. > > > > > > > > those are funny. > > > > > > > > " THAT " however is not amused... > > > > > > > > " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. > > > > > > > > imagine that. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Is that you John Lennon? > > > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. > > > what a concept! > > > Joe. > > > > > > aye! > > > > ..and who is NOT John Lennon? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Even John Lennon................was not John Lennon. > > > toombaru lol .....i knew somebody.....who never had seen the sea....... and then....wandering around....telling/preaching people that there is No sea....... .... Marc Ps: hope that the ones who " smoke " toombaru in here....are aware that they are on own risc......and that it's only of very short pleasure....... indeed....no Gods existing......taking responsibility for such ignorant.....very intelligent kids talk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self and God are codependent concepts arising from the > > confusion of > > > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > I like it! > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at all the gods that the self concocts........they > > are > > > > all egoistic...selfish....paranoid....and all together scary as > > hell. > > > > > > > > The self is illusory.....as are the gods that it imagines. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " THAT " sees all of the phantom illusion's illusions about illusions. > > > > > > those are funny. > > > > > > " THAT " however is not amused... > > > > > > " THAT " is Highly Indifferent to all of that.. > > > > > > imagine that. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Is that you John Lennon? > > the Gods are not real because the self is not real to imagine them. > > what a concept! > > Joe. > > > aye! > > ..and who is NOT John Lennon? > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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