Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'm posting this in a few different groups... I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to identifying with the mind/ego. I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not identify at all? Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know. And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. So... yeah, commments? heheh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote: > > I'm posting this in a few different groups... > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to > identifying with the mind/ego. The sense of " meness " is a product of thought. There is no " true you " outside of the thought-complex. > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not > identify at all? A still mind is like the still wind. > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know. > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. > > So... yeah, commments? heheh > " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection. .......Actually...the entity IS the search. Everything is what it does. (bumper sticker) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote: > > > > I'm posting this in a few different groups... > > > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words > > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between > > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to > > identifying with the mind/ego. > > > > > > The sense of " meness " is a product of thought. > > > There is no " true you " outside of the thought-complex. > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the > > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not > > identify at all? > > A still mind is like the still wind. > > > > > > > > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can > > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to > > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it > > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know. > > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. > > > > So... yeah, commments? heheh > > > " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of > identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection. > > > ......Actually...the entity IS the search. > > > Everything is what it does. > > > (bumper sticker) > > > > > toombaru 'who' has 'witnessed' this? 'you' can't get a witness'. just ask Marvin Gaye. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm posting this in a few different groups... > > > > > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words > > > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between > > > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to > > > identifying with the mind/ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of " meness " is a product of thought. > > > > > > There is no " true you " outside of the thought-complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the > > > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not > > > identify at all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A still mind is like the still wind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can > > > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to > > > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it > > > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know. > > > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. > > > > > > So... yeah, commments? heheh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of > > identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection. > > > > > > ......Actually...the entity IS the search. > > > > > > Everything is what it does. > > > > > > (bumper sticker) > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > 'who' has 'witnessed' this? > > 'you' can't get a witness'. > > just ask Marvin Gaye. > > .b b.b. > There is no witnessor............There is only witnessing. Ain't that grand bobby? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm posting this in a few different groups... > > > > > > > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find > words > > > > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between > > > > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to > > > > identifying with the mind/ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of " meness " is a product of thought. > > > > > > > > > There is no " true you " outside of the thought-complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the > > > > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not > > > > identify at all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A still mind is like the still wind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can > > > > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to > > > > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to > describe it > > > > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know. > > > > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. > > > > > > > > So... yeah, commments? heheh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of > > > identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection. > > > > > > > > > ......Actually...the entity IS the search. > > > > > > > > > Everything is what it does. > > > > > > > > > (bumper sticker) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > 'who' has 'witnessed' this? > > > > 'you' can't get a witness'. > > > > just ask Marvin Gaye. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > There is no witnessor............There is only witnessing. > > > > Ain't that grand bobby? > > > > > toombaru 'i' dunno.. isn't a 'grand' an aspect of a chiliad? it's all numbers to 'me'. of course this is just testimony without a beholder. this comes not from a deponent.. but rather it is just an emergent of a signatory below: ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 According to Kashmir Shaivism: 1) Understand that the witness, what is witnessed, and the act of witnessing is all the One Being, Shiva. 2) Realize that you are Shiva. Brian Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote: > > I'm posting this in a few different groups... > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to > identifying with the mind/ego. > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not > identify at all? > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know. > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. > > So... yeah, commments? heheh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001 wrote: > > According to Kashmir Shaivism: > > 1) Understand that the witness, what is witnessed, and the act of > witnessing is all the One Being, Shiva. > > 2) Realize that you are Shiva. > > Brian > Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is the same. Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to go to Kashmir or Indida. Werner Werner Reaize that it is con > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote: > > > > I'm posting this in a few different groups... > > > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words > > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between > > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to > > identifying with the mind/ego. > > > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the > > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not > > identify at all? > > > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can > > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to > > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it > > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know. > > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. > > > > So... yeah, commments? heheh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@> > wrote: > > > > According to Kashmir Shaivism: > > > > 1) Understand that the witness, what is witnessed, and the act of > > witnessing is all the One Being, Shiva. > > > > 2) Realize that you are Shiva. > > > > Brian > > > > > Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is the > same. > > Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to go > to Kashmir or Indida. > > Werner > > Werner Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but one absolut reality " (Shankara) ....maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or only seeing....or only seen.... Marc > > > > Reaize that it is con > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm posting this in a few different groups... > > > > > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find > words > > > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space > between > > > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to > > > identifying with the mind/ego. > > > > > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the > > > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not > > > identify at all? > > > > > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can > > > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come > to > > > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to > describe it > > > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya > know. > > > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. > > > > > > So... yeah, commments? heheh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is the > same. > > Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to go > to Kashmir or Indida. > > Werner > > Werner where's Indida? i want to go.. for the hell of it... ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is the > > same. > > > > Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to go > > to Kashmir or Indida. > > > > Werner > > > > Werner > > > > > > where's Indida? > > i want to go.. > > for the hell of it... > > .b b.b. yeah....good question... let's See the answer of Shiva Werner... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote: > > I'm posting this in a few different groups... > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to > identifying with the mind/ego. > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not > identify at all? > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know. > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. > > So... yeah, commments? heheh always.......without any exceptions...... " you " are true YOU...... on the path....to realise this completely..... " experiences " happen.... like maybe the one you are in now....for a period of time.... wrong " identification " can be described as something....coming & going.....restless..... endless talk is going on....on the path....here & there.... between " you " ....and true " YOU " ......... Through whatever " experiences " ...... included talks in here....as for example don't worry about " identifications " .....simply do " your " best.... open minded.... and with the wish to realise It.... ....this is the only choice " you " will ever get during life Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is the > > same. > > > > Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to go > > to Kashmir or Indida. > > > > Werner > > > > Werner > > > > > > where's Indida? > > i want to go.. > > for the hell of it... > > .b b.b. > Just have a very poor eyesight and several eye operations on both eyes like I did and if you then are able to still fairly read what you write then you can call yourself happy to get near " Indida " . Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is > the > > > same. > > > > > > Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to > go > > > to Kashmir or Indida. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > where's Indida? > > > > i want to go.. > > > > for the hell of it... > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Just have a very poor eyesight and several eye operations on both > eyes like I did and if you then are able to still fairly read what > you write then you can call yourself happy to get near " Indida " . > > Werner :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Thanks Marc, yours was best answer I got in the four forums I posted this. Most of the other posts are just a bunch of semantics. Thank you for speaking to the actual question... I apparently dont have my terminology straight enough for the nondual nazis around here, heheh. Apparently not seeing the forest for the trees was a lesson they skipped Basically wondering if I was stumbling into something that sounded real to you all, or like a trap someone had stumbled into before. Thanks again. > always.......without any exceptions...... " you " are true YOU...... > on the path....to realise this completely..... > " experiences " happen.... > like maybe the one you are in now....for a period of time.... > > wrong " identification " can be described as > something....coming & going.....restless..... > > endless talk is going on....on the path....here & there.... > > between " you " ....and true " YOU " ......... > Through whatever " experiences " ...... > included talks in here....as for example > > don't worry about " identifications " .... .simply do " your " best.... > open minded.... > and with the wish to realise It.... > > ...this is the only choice " you " will ever get during life > > > Marc " " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection. ......Actually...the entity IS the search. " Someday over the rainbow, when I have more free time, I think I'll create a handful of different accounts on these forums and go around scolding with people over not using the preordained terminology that has been bestowed upon us by Ramana, Nisargadatta, my fake enlightened self and meriam-webster, haha. 'The Entity' was on the list for one of my creations, but it looks like someone else took my idea already... There goes all my fun, shucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote: > > Thanks Marc, yours was best answer I got in the four forums I posted this. Most of the other posts are just a bunch of semantics. Thank you for speaking to the actual question... I apparently dont have my terminology straight enough for the nondual nazis around here, heheh. Apparently not seeing the forest for the trees was a lesson they skipped ....yeah....it appear sometimes...that there are people who are even proud of famous/favorite form of ignorance called " effortlessness " .....means, in advancing nowhere realy..... " without any choice " ....etc turning around....crying.....causing mind-troubles...... for nothing realy....except to hear themself.....talking...and talking...... just like somebody is talking during sleep..... nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is seperated to earth..... would say....funny dreaming kids..... > Basically wondering if I was stumbling into something that sounded real to you all, or like a trap someone had stumbled into before. Thanks again. > best wishes Marc > > always.......without any exceptions...... " you " are true YOU...... > > on the path....to realise this completely..... > > " experiences " happen.... > > like maybe the one you are in now....for a period of time.... > > > > wrong " identification " can be described as > > something....coming & going.....restless..... > > > > endless talk is going on....on the path....here & there.... > > > > between " you " ....and true " YOU " ......... > > Through whatever " experiences " ...... > > included talks in here....as for example > > > > don't worry about " identifications " .... .simply do " your " best.... > > open minded.... > > and with the wish to realise It.... > > > > ...this is the only choice " you " will ever get during life > > > > > > Marc > > > " " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of > identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection. > > .....Actually...the entity IS the search. " > > Someday over the rainbow, when I have more free time, I think I'll create a handful of different accounts on these forums and go around scolding with people over not using the preordained terminology that has been bestowed upon us by Ramana, Nisargadatta, my fake enlightened self and meriam-webster, haha. 'The Entity' was on the list for one of my creations, but it looks like someone else took my idea already... There goes all my fun, shucks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but one absolut reality " (Shankara) ....maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or only seeing....or only seen.... Marc " I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away with from asking this question in a few of these groups. " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is seperated to earth..... would say....funny dreaming kids.... " I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show, than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was getting hostile or something. Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people' of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this either. To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote: > > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but > one absolut reality " (Shankara) > > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or > only seeing....or only seen.... > > Marc " > > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away with from asking this question in a few of these groups. > > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is > seperated to earth..... > > would say....funny dreaming kids.... " > > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show, than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was getting hostile or something. > > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people' of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this either. > > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh. > You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic sideshow. They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of mnemonic detritus. Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the deeper reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine. ................But only one of us knows that. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote: > > > > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but > > one absolut reality " (Shankara) > > > > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or > > only seeing....or only seen.... > > > > Marc " > > > > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away > with from asking this question in a few of these groups. > > > > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much > > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is > > seperated to earth..... > > > > would say....funny dreaming kids.... " > > > > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was > more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show, > than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was > getting hostile or something. > > > > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play > that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking > about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling > through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my > own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my > freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the > tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in > their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the > subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the > actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart > sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a > book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in > with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people' > of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone > who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their > posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this > either. > > > > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats > just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but > 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to > think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and > make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us > ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh. > > > > > > > You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal > memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic sideshow. > > > They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of mnemonic > detritus. > > > Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the deeper > reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine. > > ...............But only one of us knows that. > > > > toombaru > Oh......one more thing: Any response that you can come up with to defend your position will have to originate from within that same accumulation of misinformation that you call " me " . It will merely be the self......protecting its personal dream. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote: > > > > > > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but > > > one absolut reality " (Shankara) > > > > > > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or > > > only seeing....or only seen.... > > > > > > Marc " > > > > > > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away > > with from asking this question in a few of these groups. > > > > > > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much > > > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is > > > seperated to earth..... > > > > > > would say....funny dreaming kids.... " > > > > > > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was > > more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show, > > than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was > > getting hostile or something. > > > > > > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play > > that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking > > about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling > > through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my > > own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my > > freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the > > tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in > > their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the > > subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the > > actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart > > sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a > > book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in > > with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people' > > of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone > > who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their > > posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this > > either. > > > > > > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats > > just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but > > 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to > > think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and > > make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us > > ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal > > memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic sideshow. > > > > > > They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of mnemonic > > detritus. > > > > > > Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the deeper > > reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine. > > > > ...............But only one of us knows that. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Oh......one more thing: > > > Any response that you can come up with to defend your position will > have to originate from within that same accumulation of misinformation > that you call " me " . > > It will merely be the self......protecting its personal dream. > > That is all that needs to be seen to break the trance. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Your question wasn't really all that obvious. Perhaps if you rephrased it you might get some answers that more directly answer what you asked? Brian If you can turn on the stillness at will, why are you asking Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote: > > I'm posting this in a few different groups... > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to > identifying with the mind/ego. > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not > identify at all? > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know. > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything. > > So... yeah, commments? heheh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote: > > > > > > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but > > > one absolut reality " (Shankara) > > > > > > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or > > > only seeing....or only seen.... > > > > > > Marc " > > > > > > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away > > with from asking this question in a few of these groups. > > > > > > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much > > > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is > > > seperated to earth..... > > > > > > would say....funny dreaming kids.... " > > > > > > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was > > more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show, > > than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was > > getting hostile or something. > > > > > > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play > > that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking > > about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling > > through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my > > own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my > > freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the > > tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in > > their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the > > subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the > > actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart > > sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a > > book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in > > with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people' > > of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone > > who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their > > posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this > > either. > > > > > > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats > > just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but > > 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to > > think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and > > make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us > > ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal > > memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic sideshow. > > > > > > They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of mnemonic > > detritus. > > > > > > Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the deeper > > reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine. > > > > ...............But only one of us knows that. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Oh......one more thing: > > > Any response that you can come up with to defend your position will > have to originate from within that same accumulation of misinformation > that you call " me " . > > It will merely be the self......protecting its personal dream. > > > > toombaru > Yes, Tomb, And " Ultimate Reality " is such a dream. It is a mindless slogan, an ideal one has read somewhere and besides that it has no meaning. Our daily life is the only reality we have to cope with and that means to endure the tensions between all one's ideals clashing with every day'a reality. All these wonderful ideas of love, union, oneness, ultimate reality, the absolute, pure awareness etc will lead nowhere because we are what we are and we delibertely cannot change ourselves. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote: > > > > > > > > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is > nothing but > > > > one absolut reality " (Shankara) > > > > > > > > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer > only....or > > > > only seeing....or only seen.... > > > > > > > > Marc " > > > > > > > > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away > > > with from asking this question in a few of these groups. > > > > > > > > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much > > > > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the > moon is > > > > seperated to earth..... > > > > > > > > would say....funny dreaming kids.... " > > > > > > > > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was > > > more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show, > > > than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was > > > getting hostile or something. > > > > > > > > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play > > > that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking > > > about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling > > > through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my > > > own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my > > > freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the > > > tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in > > > their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the > > > subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the > > > actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart > > > sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a > > > book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in > > > with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people' > > > of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone > > > who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their > > > posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this > > > either. > > > > > > > > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats > > > just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but > > > 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to > > > think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and > > > make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us > > > ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal > > > memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic sideshow. > > > > > > > > > They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of mnemonic > > > detritus. > > > > > > > > > Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the deeper > > > reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine. > > > > > > ...............But only one of us knows that. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Oh......one more thing: > > > > > > Any response that you can come up with to defend your position will > > have to originate from within that same accumulation of misinformation > > that you call " me " . > > > > It will merely be the self......protecting its personal dream. > > > That is all that needs to be seen to break the trance. > > > > toombaru seems like a terribly lot of work... don't leave HOME. 'you' never have anyway. what trance? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote: > > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but > one absolut reality " (Shankara) > > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or > only seeing....or only seen.... > > Marc " > > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away with from asking this question in a few of these groups. > > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is > seperated to earth..... > > would say....funny dreaming kids.... " > > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show, than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was getting hostile or something. > > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people' of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this either. > > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh. ....yes.....some are presenting themselves.....as fabulous/fanatic/great.....reader of other fabulous/fanatic/great....writer.....and so on.... funny dreaming kids....always need " other " funny dreaming kids.....around...... in order to stay being.....funny dreaming kids.... means......always funny dreaming kids.....not very far away from a funny dreaming kid.... ..... the need each other.....on same way....like a baby need the mother..... ..... therefore......they appear to react allergic.....sometimes.....when it come to real free and independent living beings.....as for example some real Gurus who don't need anybody to " confirm " their happyness of Being ..... don't worry........they will never " win over us ignorant, blind and unawakened masses " ...... .... even if they imagine to do so.... Marc Ps: must be not easy ....for a non-dualist..... " confirming " a great job as politician....?...... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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