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I'm posting this in a few different groups...

 

I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words

to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between

thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

identifying with the mind/ego.

 

I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

identify at all?

 

Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can

essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to

it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it

as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know.

And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

 

So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

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Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote:

>

> I'm posting this in a few different groups...

>

> I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words

> to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between

> thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

> identifying with the mind/ego.

 

 

 

 

 

The sense of " meness " is a product of thought.

 

 

There is no " true you " outside of the thought-complex.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

> stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

> identify at all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A still mind is like the still wind.

 

 

 

 

 

>

> Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can

> essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to

> it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it

> as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know.

> And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

>

> So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of

identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection.

 

 

.......Actually...the entity IS the search.

 

 

Everything is what it does.

 

 

(bumper sticker)

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote:

> >

> > I'm posting this in a few different groups...

> >

> > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words

> > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between

> > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

> > identifying with the mind/ego.

>

>

>

>

>

> The sense of " meness " is a product of thought.

>

>

> There is no " true you " outside of the thought-complex.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

> > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

> > identify at all?

>

>

A still mind is like the still wind.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can

> > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to

> > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it

> > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know.

> > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

> >

> > So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

> >

>

" Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of

> identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection.

>

>

> ......Actually...the entity IS the search.

>

>

> Everything is what it does.

>

>

> (bumper sticker)

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

 

'who' has 'witnessed' this?

 

'you' can't get a witness'.

 

just ask Marvin Gaye.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I'm posting this in a few different groups...

> > >

> > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find

words

> > > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between

> > > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

> > > identifying with the mind/ego.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The sense of " meness " is a product of thought.

> >

> >

> > There is no " true you " outside of the thought-complex.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

> > > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

> > > identify at all?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > A still mind is like the still wind.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can

> > > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to

> > > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to

describe it

> > > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know.

> > > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

> > >

> > > So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of

> > identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection.

> >

> >

> > ......Actually...the entity IS the search.

> >

> >

> > Everything is what it does.

> >

> >

> > (bumper sticker)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

>

>

> 'who' has 'witnessed' this?

>

> 'you' can't get a witness'.

>

> just ask Marvin Gaye.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

 

There is no witnessor............There is only witnessing.

 

 

 

Ain't that grand bobby?

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I'm posting this in a few different groups...

> > > >

> > > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find

> words

> > > > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space

between

> > > > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

> > > > identifying with the mind/ego.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The sense of " meness " is a product of thought.

> > >

> > >

> > > There is no " true you " outside of the thought-complex.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

> > > > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

> > > > identify at all?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > A still mind is like the still wind.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can

> > > > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've

come to

> > > > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to

> describe it

> > > > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya

know.

> > > > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

> > > >

> > > > So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the

sense of

> > > identification chases in its imaginary search for personal

perfection.

> > >

> > >

> > > ......Actually...the entity IS the search.

> > >

> > >

> > > Everything is what it does.

> > >

> > >

> > > (bumper sticker)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 'who' has 'witnessed' this?

> >

> > 'you' can't get a witness'.

> >

> > just ask Marvin Gaye.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

>

> There is no witnessor............There is only witnessing.

>

>

>

> Ain't that grand bobby?

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

'i' dunno..

 

isn't a 'grand' an aspect of a chiliad?

 

it's all numbers to 'me'.

 

of course this is just testimony without a beholder.

 

this comes not from a deponent..

 

but rather it is just an emergent of a signatory below:

 

..b b.b.

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According to Kashmir Shaivism:

 

1) Understand that the witness, what is witnessed, and the act of

witnessing is all the One Being, Shiva.

 

2) Realize that you are Shiva.

 

Brian

 

Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote:

>

> I'm posting this in a few different groups...

>

> I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words

> to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between

> thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

> identifying with the mind/ego.

>

> I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

> stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

> identify at all?

>

> Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can

> essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to

> it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it

> as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know.

> And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

>

> So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

>

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Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001

wrote:

>

> According to Kashmir Shaivism:

>

> 1) Understand that the witness, what is witnessed, and the act of

> witnessing is all the One Being, Shiva.

>

> 2) Realize that you are Shiva.

>

> Brian

>

 

 

Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is the

same.

 

Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to go

to Kashmir or Indida.

 

Werner

 

Werner

 

 

 

Reaize that it is con

> Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote:

> >

> > I'm posting this in a few different groups...

> >

> > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find

words

> > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space

between

> > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

> > identifying with the mind/ego.

> >

> > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

> > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

> > identify at all?

> >

> > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can

> > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come

to

> > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to

describe it

> > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya

know.

> > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

> >

> > So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@>

> wrote:

> >

> > According to Kashmir Shaivism:

> >

> > 1) Understand that the witness, what is witnessed, and the act of

> > witnessing is all the One Being, Shiva.

> >

> > 2) Realize that you are Shiva.

> >

> > Brian

> >

>

>

> Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is

the

> same.

>

> Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to

go

> to Kashmir or Indida.

>

> Werner

>

> Werner

 

 

Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but

one absolut reality " (Shankara)

 

....maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or

only seeing....or only seen....:)

 

Marc

>

>

>

> Reaize that it is con

> > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I'm posting this in a few different groups...

> > >

> > > I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find

> words

> > > to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space

> between

> > > thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

> > > identifying with the mind/ego.

> > >

> > > I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

> > > stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

> > > identify at all?

> > >

> > > Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I

can

> > > essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've

come

> to

> > > it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to

> describe it

> > > as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya

> know.

> > > And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

> > >

> > > So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

 

 

 

 

> Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is the

> same.

>

> Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to go

> to Kashmir or Indida.

>

> Werner

>

> Werner

 

 

 

 

 

where's Indida?

 

i want to go..

 

for the hell of it...

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> > Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is

the

> > same.

> >

> > Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to

go

> > to Kashmir or Indida.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > Werner

>

>

>

>

>

> where's Indida?

>

> i want to go..

>

> for the hell of it...

>

> .b b.b.

 

 

yeah....good question...

let's See the answer of Shiva Werner...

 

:)

 

Marc

>

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Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote:

>

> I'm posting this in a few different groups...

>

> I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find

words

> to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between

> thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

> identifying with the mind/ego.

>

> I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

> stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

> identify at all?

>

> Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can

> essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to

> it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe

it

> as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know.

> And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

>

> So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

 

 

always.......without any exceptions...... " you " are true YOU......

on the path....to realise this completely.....

" experiences " happen....

like maybe the one you are in now....for a period of time....

 

wrong " identification " can be described as

something....coming & going.....restless.....

 

endless talk is going on....on the path....here & there....

 

between " you " ....and true " YOU " .........

Through whatever " experiences " ......

included talks in here....as for example

 

don't worry about " identifications " .....simply do " your " best....

open minded....

and with the wish to realise It....

 

....this is the only choice " you " will ever get during life

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> > Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is

the

> > same.

> >

> > Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to

go

> > to Kashmir or Indida.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > Werner

>

>

>

>

>

> where's Indida?

>

> i want to go..

>

> for the hell of it...

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

Just have a very poor eyesight and several eye operations on both

eyes like I did and if you then are able to still fairly read what

you write then you can call yourself happy to get near " Indida " .

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Understand that the see-er, the process of seeing and the seen is

> the

> > > same.

> > >

> > > Realize that it also is called " consciousness " . You don't need to

> go

> > > to Kashmir or Indida.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > where's Indida?

> >

> > i want to go..

> >

> > for the hell of it...

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> Just have a very poor eyesight and several eye operations on both

> eyes like I did and if you then are able to still fairly read what

> you write then you can call yourself happy to get near " Indida " .

>

> Werner

 

 

 

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

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Thanks Marc, yours was best answer I got in the four forums I posted this. Most

of the other posts are just a bunch of semantics. Thank you for speaking to the

actual question... I apparently dont have my terminology straight enough for the

nondual nazis around here, heheh. Apparently not seeing the forest for the trees

was a lesson they skipped :)

 

Basically wondering if I was stumbling into something that sounded real to you

all, or like a trap someone had stumbled into before. Thanks again.

 

> always.......without any exceptions...... " you " are true YOU......

> on the path....to realise this completely.....

> " experiences " happen....

> like maybe the one you are in now....for a period of time....

>

> wrong " identification " can be described as

> something....coming & going.....restless.....

>

> endless talk is going on....on the path....here & there....

>

> between " you " ....and true " YOU " .........

> Through whatever " experiences " ......

> included talks in here....as for example

>

> don't worry about " identifications " .... .simply do " your " best....

> open minded....

> and with the wish to realise It....

>

> ...this is the only choice " you " will ever get during life

>

>

> Marc

 

 

" " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the sense of

identification chases in its imaginary search for personal perfection.

 

......Actually...the entity IS the search. "

 

Someday over the rainbow, when I have more free time, I think I'll create a

handful of different accounts on these forums and go around scolding with people

over not using the preordained terminology that has been bestowed upon us by

Ramana, Nisargadatta, my fake enlightened self and meriam-webster, haha. 'The

Entity' was on the list for one of my creations, but it looks like someone else

took my idea already... There goes all my fun, shucks

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Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote:

>

> Thanks Marc, yours was best answer I got in the four forums I

posted this. Most of the other posts are just a bunch of semantics.

Thank you for speaking to the actual question... I apparently dont

have my terminology straight enough for the nondual nazis around

here, heheh. Apparently not seeing the forest for the trees was a

lesson they skipped :)

 

....yeah....it appear sometimes...that there are people who are even

proud of famous/favorite form of ignorance

called " effortlessness " .....means, in advancing nowhere

realy..... " without any choice " ....etc

turning around....crying.....causing mind-troubles......

for nothing realy....except to hear themself.....talking...and

talking......

 

just like somebody is talking during sleep.....

 

:)

 

nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much

brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is

seperated to earth.....

 

would say....funny dreaming kids.....

 

 

> Basically wondering if I was stumbling into something that sounded

real to you all, or like a trap someone had stumbled into before.

Thanks again.

>

 

best wishes

 

Marc

 

 

> > always.......without any exceptions...... " you " are true YOU......

> > on the path....to realise this completely.....

> > " experiences " happen....

> > like maybe the one you are in now....for a period of time....

> >

> > wrong " identification " can be described as

> > something....coming & going.....restless.....

> >

> > endless talk is going on....on the path....here & there....

> >

> > between " you " ....and true " YOU " .........

> > Through whatever " experiences " ......

> > included talks in here....as for example

> >

> > don't worry about " identifications " .... .simply do " your " best....

> > open minded....

> > and with the wish to realise It....

> >

> > ...this is the only choice " you " will ever get during life

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> " " Stillness " is merely one of conceptual speculations that the

sense of

> identification chases in its imaginary search for personal

perfection.

>

> .....Actually...the entity IS the search. "

>

> Someday over the rainbow, when I have more free time, I think I'll

create a handful of different accounts on these forums and go around

scolding with people over not using the preordained terminology that

has been bestowed upon us by Ramana, Nisargadatta, my fake

enlightened self and meriam-webster, haha. 'The Entity' was on the

list for one of my creations, but it looks like someone else took my

idea already... There goes all my fun, shucks

>

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" Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but

one absolut reality " (Shankara)

 

....maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or

only seeing....or only seen....:)

 

Marc "

 

I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away with from

asking this question in a few of these groups.

 

" nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much

brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is

seperated to earth.....

 

would say....funny dreaming kids.... "

 

I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was more

likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show, than actual

nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was getting hostile or

something.

 

Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play that

semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking about. On a side

note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling through this process and in no

way am an authority on anything but my own experience on this path... But, being

involved in politcs since my freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get

to know the tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in

their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the subject.

Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the actual subject, or

ignoring questions they dont have anything smart sounding to respond with, just

makes me wonder if they just read a book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee

jerk arguements that fit in with their self image of being smarter than all of

us 'little people' of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to

anyone who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their

posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this either.

 

To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats just how

they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but 'the choir' to listen

to what they have to say they might want to think about working on their

presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and make it easier for those who disgree

with them to win over us ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh.

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Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote:

>

> " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but

> one absolut reality " (Shankara)

>

> ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or

> only seeing....or only seen....:)

>

> Marc "

>

> I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away

with from asking this question in a few of these groups.

>

> " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much

> brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is

> seperated to earth.....

>

> would say....funny dreaming kids.... "

>

> I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was

more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show,

than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was

getting hostile or something.

>

> Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play

that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking

about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling

through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my

own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my

freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the

tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in

their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the

subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the

actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart

sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a

book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in

with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people'

of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone

who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their

posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this

either.

>

> To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats

just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but

'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to

think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and

make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us

ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh.

>

 

 

 

 

You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal

memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic sideshow.

 

 

They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of mnemonic

detritus.

 

 

Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the deeper

reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine.

 

................But only one of us knows that.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote:

> >

> > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing but

> > one absolut reality " (Shankara)

> >

> > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer only....or

> > only seeing....or only seen....:)

> >

> > Marc "

> >

> > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away

> with from asking this question in a few of these groups.

> >

> > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much

> > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon is

> > seperated to earth.....

> >

> > would say....funny dreaming kids.... "

> >

> > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was

> more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show,

> than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was

> getting hostile or something.

> >

> > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play

> that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking

> about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling

> through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my

> own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my

> freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the

> tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in

> their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the

> subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the

> actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart

> sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a

> book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in

> with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people'

> of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone

> who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their

> posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this

> either.

> >

> > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats

> just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but

> 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to

> think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and

> make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us

> ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh.

> >

>

>

>

>

> You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal

> memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic sideshow.

>

>

> They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of mnemonic

> detritus.

>

>

> Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the deeper

> reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine.

>

> ...............But only one of us knows that.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

Oh......one more thing:

 

 

Any response that you can come up with to defend your position will

have to originate from within that same accumulation of misinformation

that you call " me " .

 

It will merely be the self......protecting its personal dream.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is

nothing but

> > > one absolut reality " (Shankara)

> > >

> > > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer

only....or

> > > only seeing....or only seen....:)

> > >

> > > Marc "

> > >

> > > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come away

> > with from asking this question in a few of these groups.

> > >

> > > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much

> > > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the

moon is

> > > seperated to earth.....

> > >

> > > would say....funny dreaming kids.... "

> > >

> > > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I was

> > more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld show,

> > than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was

> > getting hostile or something.

> > >

> > > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play

> > that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking

> > about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling

> > through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my

> > own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since my

> > freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the

> > tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in

> > their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the

> > subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the

> > actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart

> > sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a

> > book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in

> > with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people'

> > of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone

> > who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of their

> > posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks this

> > either.

> > >

> > > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats

> > just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but

> > 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to

> > think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and

> > make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us

> > ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal

> > memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic sideshow.

> >

> >

> > They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of mnemonic

> > detritus.

> >

> >

> > Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the deeper

> > reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine.

> >

> > ...............But only one of us knows that.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

>

> Oh......one more thing:

>

>

> Any response that you can come up with to defend your position will

> have to originate from within that same accumulation of misinformation

> that you call " me " .

>

> It will merely be the self......protecting its personal dream.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

That is all that needs to be seen to break the trance.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Your question wasn't really all that obvious. Perhaps if you rephrased

it you might get some answers that more directly answer what you asked?

 

Brian

 

If you can turn on the stillness at will, why are you asking

 

Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote:

>

> I'm posting this in a few different groups...

>

> I hear in alot of teachings... that... man this is hard to find words

> to say this... indentifying with the stillness/witness/space between

> thoughts, etc brings you to the actual true YOU, as opposed to

> identifying with the mind/ego.

>

> I'm wondering... does this happen on its own when you are in the

> stillness? and... is it any different, more true, etc... to not

> identify at all?

>

> Reason I'm saying this... I found a little technique and now I can

> essentially turn on the stillness (or the closest thing I've come to

> it) pretty much at will. It'd probably be more accurate to describe it

> as turning off the rest and ... well, nothing, being still, ya know.

> And at that point, I can't say I am identifying with anything.

>

> So... yeah, commments? :) heheh

>

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is

nothing but

> > > one absolut reality " (Shankara)

> > >

> > > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer

only....or

> > > only seeing....or only seen....:)

> > >

> > > Marc "

> > >

> > > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come

away

> > with from asking this question in a few of these groups.

> > >

> > > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too

much

> > > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the

moon is

> > > seperated to earth.....

> > >

> > > would say....funny dreaming kids.... "

> > >

> > > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi

I was

> > more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld

show,

> > than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was

> > getting hostile or something.

> > >

> > > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and

play

> > that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking

> > about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling

> > through this process and in no way am an authority on anything

but my

> > own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs

since my

> > freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the

> > tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in

> > their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on

the

> > subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the

> > actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything

smart

> > sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a

> > book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit

in

> > with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little

people'

> > of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone

> > who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of

their

> > posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks

this

> > either.

> > >

> > > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats

> > just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but

> > 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to

> > think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on

and

> > make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us

> > ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal

> > memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic

sideshow.

> >

> >

> > They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of

mnemonic

> > detritus.

> >

> >

> > Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the

deeper

> > reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine.

> >

> > ...............But only one of us knows that.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

>

> Oh......one more thing:

>

>

> Any response that you can come up with to defend your position will

> have to originate from within that same accumulation of

misinformation

> that you call " me " .

>

> It will merely be the self......protecting its personal dream.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

Yes, Tomb,

 

And " Ultimate Reality " is such a dream. It is a mindless slogan, an

ideal one has read somewhere and besides that it has no meaning.

 

Our daily life is the only reality we have to cope with and that

means to endure the tensions between all one's ideals clashing with

every day'a reality.

 

All these wonderful ideas of love, union, oneness, ultimate reality,

the absolute, pure awareness etc will lead nowhere because we are

what we are and we delibertely cannot change ourselves.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is

> nothing but

> > > > one absolut reality " (Shankara)

> > > >

> > > > ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer

> only....or

> > > > only seeing....or only seen....:)

> > > >

> > > > Marc "

> > > >

> > > > I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've

come away

> > > with from asking this question in a few of these groups.

> > > >

> > > > " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too

much

> > > > brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the

> moon is

> > > > seperated to earth.....

> > > >

> > > > would say....funny dreaming kids.... "

> > > >

> > > > I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi

I was

> > > more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld

show,

> > > than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I was

> > > getting hostile or something.

> > > >

> > > > Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and

play

> > > that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking

> > > about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling

> > > through this process and in no way am an authority on anything

but my

> > > own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs

since my

> > > freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the

> > > tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in

> > > their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the

> > > subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the

> > > actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart

> > > sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a

> > > book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in

> > > with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little

people'

> > > of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone

> > > who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of

their

> > > posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who thinks

this

> > > either.

> > > >

> > > > To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats

> > > just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone but

> > > 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to

> > > think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and

> > > make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us

> > > ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You are making assumptions about reflections within your personal

> > > memory......You are watching your own personal kaleidoscopic

sideshow.

> > >

> > >

> > > They are merely echoes from within your own accumulation of mnemonic

> > > detritus.

> > >

> > >

> > > Your assumptions are as meaningless as speculating about the deeper

> > > reality of the people in your dream last night....as are mine.

> > >

> > > ...............But only one of us knows that.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> >

> > Oh......one more thing:

> >

> >

> > Any response that you can come up with to defend your position will

> > have to originate from within that same accumulation of misinformation

> > that you call " me " .

> >

> > It will merely be the self......protecting its personal dream.

> >

> That is all that needs to be seen to break the trance.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

seems like a terribly lot of work...

 

don't leave HOME.

 

'you' never have anyway.

 

what trance?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Sol K " <solyata wrote:

>

> " Ps: " there is neither seer, seeing, nor seen....there is nothing

but

> one absolut reality " (Shankara)

>

> ...maybe then you don't get (easily) lost....into the seer

only....or

> only seeing....or only seen....:)

>

> Marc "

>

> I missed this before... That pretty much sums up what I've come

away with from asking this question in a few of these groups.

>

> " nondual nazis?....lol......but yes, without heart.....and too much

> brain...... " nonduality " is as seperated to themself....as the moon

is

> seperated to earth.....

>

> would say....funny dreaming kids.... "

>

> I dunno, I think I'm a funny dreaming kid, haha... And by nazi I

was more likening them to the soup nazi, from that terrible Seinfeld

show, than actual nazi's... Just in case anyone may have thought I

was getting hostile or something.

>

> Its tough for me to believe that the guys who come on here and play

that semantics game have much of an idea of what they are talking

about. On a side note I hope I'm getting across that I'm bumbling

through this process and in no way am an authority on anything but my

own experience on this path... But, being involved in politcs since

my freshman year of college 10ish years ago... You get to know the

tactics people use, not always consciously, to hide weakpoints in

their arguements, lack of confidence or lack of a solid grasp on the

subject. Going after the usage of words instead of speaking to the

actual subject, or ignoring questions they dont have anything smart

sounding to respond with, just makes me wonder if they just read a

book or few on Zen, memorized a few knee jerk arguements that fit in

with their self image of being smarter than all of us 'little people'

of the world... And then jumped on the net to prove it to anyone

who'll listen. From the way other people have reacted to some of

their posts I've seen, it doesnt look like I'm the only one who

thinks this either.

>

> To be crystal clear, I'm not saying the above is the case, thats

just how they're presenting themselves and if they want anyone

but 'the choir' to listen to what they have to say they might want to

think about working on their presentation. Or keep on keepin' on and

make it easier for those who disgree with them to win over us

ignorant, blind and unawakened masses, heheh.

 

 

....yes.....some are presenting themselves.....as

fabulous/fanatic/great.....reader of other

fabulous/fanatic/great....writer.....and so on....

 

funny dreaming kids....always need " other " funny dreaming

kids.....around......

in order to stay being.....funny dreaming kids....

 

means......always funny dreaming kids.....not very far away from a

funny dreaming kid....

 

.....

 

the need each other.....on same way....like a baby need the

mother.....

 

.....

 

 

therefore......they appear to react allergic.....sometimes.....when

it come to real free and independent living beings.....as for example

some real Gurus who don't need anybody to " confirm " their happyness

of Being

 

.....

 

 

don't worry........they will never " win over us ignorant, blind and

unawakened masses " ......

 

....

 

even if they imagine to do so....

 

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: must be not easy ....for a non-dualist..... " confirming " a great

job as politician....?......:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

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