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Nature only let you be conscious of what

you need to see. So consciousness is not

everything, it's just what your brain let you see.

 

A frog sees only movement. It doesn't see

things that are still. A bug perched on a

branch is invisible to a frog, but the moment

that the bug takes flight, it seems to materialize

out of nowhere for the frog.

 

There is a woman in Germany who can't see

movement, only things that are still. To her

a moving car is invisible, so she can't cross

a busy street.

 

Suppose this woman would dance in front

of a wall to wall mirror. She would become

invisible to herself, and only see her image

here and there as materializing out of nowhere

as she briefly pauses in her dance.

 

That constant appearing and vanishing would

be confusing enough, but imagine that she

also has lost the ability to recognize her own

face. To her then, dancing in front of a mirror

would seem to conjure a room full of strangers

constantly appearing and disappearing.

 

We can use the above as an analogy of how

the whole sees itself as multiple instead of

as one.

 

enlightenedfiction

 

Pete

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> Nature only let you be conscious of what

> you need to see. So consciousness is not

> everything, it's just what your brain let you see.

>

> A frog sees only movement. It doesn't see

> things that are still. A bug perched on a

> branch is invisible to a frog, but the moment

> that the bug takes flight, it seems to materialize

> out of nowhere for the frog.

>

> There is a woman in Germany who can't see

> movement, only things that are still. To her

> a moving car is invisible, so she can't cross

> a busy street.

>

> Suppose this woman would dance in front

> of a wall to wall mirror. She would become

> invisible to herself, and only see her image

> here and there as materializing out of nowhere

> as she briefly pauses in her dance.

>

> That constant appearing and vanishing would

> be confusing enough, but imagine that she

> also has lost the ability to recognize her own

> face. To her then, dancing in front of a mirror

> would seem to conjure a room full of strangers

> constantly appearing and disappearing.

>

> We can use the above as an analogy of how

> the whole sees itself as multiple instead of

> as one.

>

> enlightenedfiction

>

> Pete

>

 

 

Thanks Pete,

 

Consciousness is subjective. Each being in its own way, the frog, the

German woman, you, and me. And so for each being consciousness is all

there is.

 

The object is the subject.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nature only let you be conscious of what

> > you need to see. So consciousness is not

> > everything, it's just what your brain let you see.

> >

> > A frog sees only movement. It doesn't see

> > things that are still. A bug perched on a

> > branch is invisible to a frog, but the moment

> > that the bug takes flight, it seems to materialize

> > out of nowhere for the frog.

> >

> > There is a woman in Germany who can't see

> > movement, only things that are still. To her

> > a moving car is invisible, so she can't cross

> > a busy street.

> >

> > Suppose this woman would dance in front

> > of a wall to wall mirror. She would become

> > invisible to herself, and only see her image

> > here and there as materializing out of nowhere

> > as she briefly pauses in her dance.

> >

> > That constant appearing and vanishing would

> > be confusing enough, but imagine that she

> > also has lost the ability to recognize her own

> > face. To her then, dancing in front of a mirror

> > would seem to conjure a room full of strangers

> > constantly appearing and disappearing.

> >

> > We can use the above as an analogy of how

> > the whole sees itself as multiple instead of

> > as one.

> >

> > enlightenedfiction

> >

> > Pete

> >

>

>

> Thanks Pete,

>

> Consciousness is subjective. Each being in its own way, the frog, the

> German woman, you, and me. And so for each being consciousness is all

> there is.

>

> The object is the subject.

>

> Werner

 

P: " Consciousness is al there is. " " The object is the subject. " Those

are nice soothing spiritual slogans. They give the appearance of

containing a great truth, but in reality, they say very little. By

saying consciousness is all thre is, consciousness is not explained

in any way. So, what the statement really says is: All there is, is all

there is. It's the same with the " The object is the subject. " It doesn't

explain what object or subject are. It only speaks of their identity.

Both slogans are jst different ways of saying what every nondualist

already knows, but doesn't really get: Not two.

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nature only let you be conscious of what

> > > you need to see. So consciousness is not

> > > everything, it's just what your brain let you see.

> > >

> > > A frog sees only movement. It doesn't see

> > > things that are still. A bug perched on a

> > > branch is invisible to a frog, but the moment

> > > that the bug takes flight, it seems to materialize

> > > out of nowhere for the frog.

> > >

> > > There is a woman in Germany who can't see

> > > movement, only things that are still. To her

> > > a moving car is invisible, so she can't cross

> > > a busy street.

> > >

> > > Suppose this woman would dance in front

> > > of a wall to wall mirror. She would become

> > > invisible to herself, and only see her image

> > > here and there as materializing out of nowhere

> > > as she briefly pauses in her dance.

> > >

> > > That constant appearing and vanishing would

> > > be confusing enough, but imagine that she

> > > also has lost the ability to recognize her own

> > > face. To her then, dancing in front of a mirror

> > > would seem to conjure a room full of strangers

> > > constantly appearing and disappearing.

> > >

> > > We can use the above as an analogy of how

> > > the whole sees itself as multiple instead of

> > > as one.

> > >

> > > enlightenedfiction

> > >

> > > Pete

> > >

> >

> >

> > Thanks Pete,

> >

> > Consciousness is subjective. Each being in its own way, the frog,

the

> > German woman, you, and me. And so for each being consciousness is

all

> > there is.

> >

> > The object is the subject.

> >

> > Werner

>

> P: " Consciousness is al there is. " " The object is the subject. "

Those

> are nice soothing spiritual slogans.

 

 

Yes, Pete,

 

These are slogans, it is so obvious.

 

But to reply your post with two slogans in no way was meant to offend

you. I love these two slogans, they tell in a very simple and

compressed way non-duality. But why calling them spiritual ? I not at

all can see that.

 

 

> They give the appearance of

> containing a great truth, but in reality, they say very little. By

> saying consciousness is all thre is, consciousness is not explained

> in any way. So, what the statement really says is: All there is, is

allot

> there is. It's the same with the " The object is the subject. " It

doesn't

> explain what object or subject are. It only speaks of their

identity.

> Both slogans are jst different ways of saying what every nondualist

> already knows, but doesn't really get: Not two.

 

 

Yes, not two. And now everything is said and we can go to bed.

 

:)

 

Werner

 

 

> >

>

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>

> Yes, Pete,

>

> These are slogans, it is so obvious.

>

> But to reply your post with two slogans in no way was meant to offend

> you. I love these two slogans, they tell in a very simple and

> compressed way non-duality. But why calling them spiritual ? I not at

> all can see that.

 

P: Did I seem offended to you? I called them spiritual because

the category for this group is spirituality. You wouldn't

find those slogans mentioned in politics, or science, or even

entertainment.

 

>

>

> > They give the appearance of

> > containing a great truth, but in reality, they say very little. By

> > saying consciousness is all thre is, consciousness is not explained

> > in any way. So, what the statement really says is: All there is, is

> allot

> > there is. It's the same with the " The object is the subject. " It

> doesn't

> > explain what object or subject are. It only speaks of their

> identity.

> > Both slogans are jst different ways of saying what every nondualist

> > already knows, but doesn't really get: Not two.

>

>

> Yes, not two. And now everything is said and we can go to bed.

>

> :)

>

> Werner

>

>

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

 

>We can use the above as an analogy of how

>the whole sees itself as multiple instead of

>as one.

 

Hi Pete,

 

Nice image, yes.

All we see is ourselves!

Shattered into pieces.

 

But to accept this

Means to accept not only

That I am all alone

But also:

That I am not.

 

Because when I am everything

Then there is no ground

On which " I " could exist.

 

Stefan

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> >

> There is a woman in Germany who can't see

> movement, only things that are still. To her

> a moving car is invisible, so she can't cross

> a busy street.

>

> Suppose this woman would dance in front

> of a wall to wall mirror. She would become

> invisible to herself, and only see her image

> here and there as materializing out of nowhere

> as she briefly pauses in her dance.

>

> That constant appearing and vanishing would

> be confusing enough, but imagine that she

> also has lost the ability to recognize her own

> face. To her then, dancing in front of a mirror

> would seem to conjure a room full of strangers

> constantly appearing and disappearing.

>

> We can use the above as an analogy of how

> the whole sees itself as multiple instead of

> as one.

>

> enlightenedfiction

>

> Pete

>

Imagine that the woman regained both the abiltiy to see moving

images and to recognize faces--the situation would not be materially

changed at all: it would still be a case of things being known

somehow by nothing--which must be what it means to say: the knower,

the knowing and the known are one. Z

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

>

> >We can use the above as an analogy of how

> >the whole sees itself as multiple instead of

> >as one.

>

> Hi Pete,

>

> Nice image, yes.

> All we see is ourselves!

> Shattered into pieces.

>

> But to accept this

> Means to accept not only

> That I am all alone

> But also:

> That I am not.

>

> Because when I am everything

> Then there is no ground

> On which " I " could exist.

>

> Stefan

 

 

....there is neither an " everything " .....nor somebody (Stevie)......to

whom such ideas belong to....

 

Marc

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

 

>there is neither an " everything " nor somebody (Stevie) to

>whom such ideas belong to....

>Marc

 

Yes, there is only " Marc " , the underwriter

And author of those highly intelligent ideas

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Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

 

>Imagine that the woman regained both the abiltiy to see moving

>images and to recognize faces--the situation would not be materially

>changed at all: it would still be a case of things being known

>somehow by nothing--which must be what it means to say: the knower,

>the knowing and the known are one. Z

 

Yes, true. And this also means it is futile

To collect those shattered pieces

Gradually broaden the horizon of consciousness

And finally reach enlightenment.

 

Stefan

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

>

> >there is neither an " everything " nor somebody (Stevie) to

> >whom such ideas belong to....

> >Marc

>

> Yes, there is only " Marc " , the underwriter

> And author of those highly intelligent ideas

 

 

lol

 

....coming out of concepts?

 

:)

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

>

> >We can use the above as an analogy of how

> >the whole sees itself as multiple instead of

> >as one.

>

> Hi Pete,

>

> Nice image, yes.

> All we see is ourselves!

> Shattered into pieces.

>

> But to accept this

> Means to accept not only

> That I am all alone

> But also:

> That I am not.

>

> Because when I am everything

> Then there is no ground

> On which " I " could exist.

>

> Stefan

 

P: Exactly. Then the " I " is only used in

social dealings, not as the subjective

owner of experiences.

 

>

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