Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 [...] > That is when I started looking towards a > religion. > I discovered that in life, we do need make choices and decisions and if hormones and selfishness were all that we had to 'guide' us - the results could be quite chaotic and disastrous. In my experience, living this way, was a life lacking in peace and harmony. It was true that a lot of what religions taught was illogical. It was also true that religions have many times, directly resulted in pain, torture, violence and killings. Yet, I was intrigued by the phenomenon that almost every region in the world that has made great progress and had advanced spiritually, mentally and materialistically - had a strong religion. Whereas, in places, where there was no common, systematic, well defined religion... the progress, both mental and material, had been very slow. I reasoned that perhaps, having a 'common' set of values, principles and rules made 'living together' easier and it prompted greater trust among people, which is required for any 'collective undertaking'. This reasoning made me respect religions, find their values and feel grateful for how they helped progress. I did some study of Christianity, Islam, Sikkhsim, Buddhism and Hinduism. I considered Christianity, Islam, Sikkhsim modern religions and Buddhism and Hinduism ancient ones. I saw that while Hinduism [especially with Advaita and likes] and Buddhism put great practices and knowledge to find Ultimate Reality and to realize Inner Peace and happiness... they taught very little on how to live in the world. I reasoned that perhaps, pioneers of these philosophies, considered everyone 'equal to them' and thus, capable of discovering these values on their own. Christianity and Islam on the other hand, worked to kind of 'hide' the ultimate reality by t 'surrounding' them behind elaborate symbols and put their emphasis on 'how to live' in this world. I reasoned that perhaps, they learned from the failure/success of ancient religions and discovered that only very intelligent and evolved humans were really eligible to discover the ultimate reality, for rest, [and also for the evolved one,] it was necessary to teach a common set of values and principles. And, the pioneers of these religion considered these adherence to these 'common' values so important that they found it acceptable to 'lure' people in doing that by the 'promise' of eternal heaven or salvation. I thought that perhaps, a modern human religion, which, each of us might need to find on our own, might combine the both and it would include... doing the noble thing and knowing that the eternal heaven, salvation, nirvana and moksha is only within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > That is when I started looking towards a > > religion. > > > > > I discovered that in life, we do need > make choices and decisions and if > hormones and selfishness were all that > we had to 'guide' us - the results > could be quite chaotic and disastrous. > In my experience, living this way, was > a life lacking in peace and harmony. > > > > It was true that a lot of what > religions taught was illogical. It was > also true that religions have many > times, directly resulted in pain, > torture, violence and killings. Yet, I > was intrigued by the phenomenon that > almost every region in the world that > has made great progress and had > advanced spiritually, mentally and > materialistically - had a strong > religion. > > Whereas, in places, where > there was no common, systematic, well > defined religion... the progress, both > mental and material, had been very > slow. > > > I reasoned that perhaps, having a > 'common' set of values, principles and > rules made 'living together' easier > and it prompted greater trust among > people, which is required for any > 'collective undertaking'. This > reasoning made me respect religions, > find their values and feel grateful for > how they helped progress. > > > > I did some study of Christianity, > Islam, Sikkhsim, Buddhism and Hinduism. > I considered Christianity, Islam, > Sikkhsim modern religions and Buddhism > and Hinduism ancient ones. I saw that > while Hinduism [especially with Advaita > and likes] and Buddhism put great > practices and knowledge to find > Ultimate Reality and to realize Inner > Peace and happiness... they taught very > little on how to live in the world. > > I reasoned that perhaps, pioneers of > these philosophies, considered everyone > 'equal to them' and thus, capable of > discovering these values on their own. > > > > Christianity and Islam on the other > hand, worked to kind of 'hide' the > ultimate reality by t 'surrounding' > them behind elaborate symbols and put > their emphasis on 'how to live' in this > world. I reasoned that perhaps, they > learned from the failure/success of > ancient religions and discovered that > only very intelligent and evolved > humans were really eligible to discover > the ultimate reality, for rest, [and > also for the evolved one,] it was > necessary to teach a common set of > values and principles. Namaste, I think you have your head firmly up your arse still, pull it out and smell the shit in India! Most of Indian Hinduism is just as dualistic and manipulative as any other religion Christian or Muslim or whatever. Within India as in other countries there are teaching by realised or semi realised beings, most of which is overwhelmed by superstition. Today westerners are even reintroducing vedanta to India..........Tony] And vedanta is superstition also as practised, worshipping sankara and believing he is an incarnation siva and other rubbish. Advait only progresses to saguna which is unreal..........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > That is when I started looking towards a > > > religion. > > > > > > > > > I discovered that in life, we do need > > make choices and decisions and if > > hormones and selfishness were all that > > we had to 'guide' us - the results > > could be quite chaotic and disastrous. > > In my experience, living this way, was > > a life lacking in peace and harmony. > > > > > > > > It was true that a lot of what > > religions taught was illogical. It was > > also true that religions have many > > times, directly resulted in pain, > > torture, violence and killings. Yet, I > > was intrigued by the phenomenon that > > almost every region in the world that > > has made great progress and had > > advanced spiritually, mentally and > > materialistically - had a strong > > religion. > > > > Whereas, in places, where > > there was no common, systematic, well > > defined religion... the progress, both > > mental and material, had been very > > slow. > > > > > > I reasoned that perhaps, having a > > 'common' set of values, principles and > > rules made 'living together' easier > > and it prompted greater trust among > > people, which is required for any > > 'collective undertaking'. This > > reasoning made me respect religions, > > find their values and feel grateful for > > how they helped progress. > > > > > > > > I did some study of Christianity, > > Islam, Sikkhsim, Buddhism and Hinduism. > > I considered Christianity, Islam, > > Sikkhsim modern religions and Buddhism > > and Hinduism ancient ones. I saw that > > while Hinduism [especially with Advaita > > and likes] and Buddhism put great > > practices and knowledge to find > > Ultimate Reality and to realize Inner > > Peace and happiness... they taught very > > little on how to live in the world. > > > > I reasoned that perhaps, pioneers of > > these philosophies, considered everyone > > 'equal to them' and thus, capable of > > discovering these values on their own. > > > > > > > > Christianity and Islam on the other > > hand, worked to kind of 'hide' the > > ultimate reality by t 'surrounding' > > them behind elaborate symbols and put > > their emphasis on 'how to live' in this > > world. I reasoned that perhaps, they > > learned from the failure/success of > > ancient religions and discovered that > > only very intelligent and evolved > > humans were really eligible to discover > > the ultimate reality, for rest, [and > > also for the evolved one,] it was > > necessary to teach a common set of > > values and principles. > > Namaste, > > I think you have your head firmly up your arse still, pull it out and > smell the shit in India! > Most of Indian Hinduism is just as dualistic and manipulative as any > other religion Christian or Muslim or whatever. Within India as in > other countries there are teaching by realised or semi realised > beings, most of which is overwhelmed by superstition. Today > westerners are even reintroducing vedanta to India..........Tony] > And vedanta is superstition also as practised, worshipping sankara > and believing he is an incarnation siva and other rubbish. Advait > only progresses to saguna which is unreal.......... fucking right on. it's them japs that's got it straight with their zen shit. it goes way beyond that saguna tuna crap. but mostly it's the Baptists that got it right on the money. anyone for giving a donation to save their souls? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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