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M: Surely, the memory of an event cannot pass for the event itself. Nor

can the anticipation. There is something exceptional, unique, about the

present event, which the previous, or the coming do not have. There is

a livingness about it, an actuality; it stands out as if illuminated.

There is the `stamp of reality' on the actual, which the past and the

future do not have.

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Sorry, beloved Ramana. But the " actual " is a myth. And you know it!!!

Divine seducer ;-)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

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>M: Surely, the memory of an event cannot pass for the event itself. Nor

>can the anticipation. There is something exceptional, unique, about the

>present event, which the previous, or the coming do not have. There is

>a livingness about it, an actuality; it stands out as if illuminated.

>There is the `stamp of reality' on the actual, which the past and the

>future do not have.

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Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

>M: Surely, the memory of an event cannot pass for the event itself. Nor

>can the anticipation. There is something exceptional, unique, about the

>present event, which the previous, or the coming do not have. There is

>a livingness about it, an actuality; it stands out as if illuminated.

>There is the `stamp of reality' on the actual, which the past and the

>future do not have.

 

And the dialogue continues like this:

 

Q: What gives the present that 'stamp of reality'?

 

M: There is nothing peculiar in the present event to make it different

from the past and future. For a moment the past was actual and the

future will become so. What makes the present so different? Obviously,

my presence.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote:

> >M: Surely, the memory of an event cannot pass for the event itself.

Nor

> >can the anticipation. There is something exceptional, unique, about

the

> >present event, which the previous, or the coming do not have. There is

> >a livingness about it, an actuality; it stands out as if illuminated.

> >There is the `stamp of reality' on the actual, which the past and the

> >future do not have.

>

> And the dialogue continues like this:

>

> Q: What gives the present that 'stamp of reality'?

>

> M: There is nothing peculiar in the present event to make it different

> from the past and future. For a moment the past was actual and the

> future will become so. What makes the present so different? Obviously,

> my presence.

>

 

 

Yes, M,

 

And what makes the past so different ? Obviously, my past.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

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> Sorry, beloved Ramana. But the " actual " is a myth. And you know it!!!

> Divine seducer ;-)

 

How wonderful is this age we are living in when so many people abound

who know more than the one in a billion sages of 100 years ago! Z

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Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry, beloved Ramana. But the " actual " is a myth. And you know it!!!

> > Divine seducer ;-)

>

> How wonderful is this age we are living in when so many people abound

> who know more than the one in a billion sages of 100 years ago! Z

 

 

 

 

 

there are so many of the age who know more because..

 

sages of 100 years ago didn't know anything.

 

there was no one there to know anything...anyone...anyhow...any way.

 

a few whippersnappers even NOW..are already gone.

 

and laugh at all the 'things' the 'whos' and 'whiches'..'know'.

 

they are made worshipers..

 

and the beat goes on.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

>Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

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>> Sorry, beloved Ramana. But the " actual " is a myth. And you know

>>it!!! Divine seducer ;-)

>

>How wonderful is this age we are living in when so many people abound

>who know more than the one in a billion sages of 100 years ago! Z

 

100 years? Not quite. Tom, I do not know if you have directed this to

me, and if the sarcasm that I feel in your remark is actually meant.

But in any case, please believe me: I know nothing. And I do not

think that there is anything special about our age in this regard.

Maybe you did not get the fine print in my posting. I have the

highest respect for Maharaj.

 

Words can be placed in so many ways... and can also be understood in

so many ways. A real master is a verbal seducer, it was always like

this... in a long tradition of darshanas.

 

As I have already said: the mind tends to create beliefs out of

everything. Maharaj was not talking to us to give us new beliefs. A

master has really nothing to say, he only talks to catch our

attention. Then it is easier for him to kill our beliefs. His task is

to kill us. To quote a master out of context has nothing to do with

the event that has happened. When you read the whole talk it may shine

in a different light, maybe.

 

No, it is not about knowledge. It is not about right or wrong. The

reason he asks us to look into the " actual " is: it forces you to look

at yourself. The actual, the presence, is in the one who looks, it can

never be in the objects. This is the whole lalalum. He sayd it just in

the next sentence, interestingly.

 

It always ends at: look at the space from where you are looking. Now,

who has already tried this? I am not talking about theories here,

everything can instantly be tested.

 

Stefan

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