Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 tell us to be earnest, to be honest? when he knows there is nothing we can do about either honesty or earnestness?If they come they come, if not then not. Well, why would you--who surely knows that he or she has no real say in the matter--why would you tell your child or your lover to avoid smoking cigarettes or to please quit drinking so much? Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > tell us to be earnest, to be honest? when he knows there is nothing we > can do about either honesty or earnestness?If they come they come, if > not then not. Well, why would you--who surely knows that he or she has > no real say in the matter--why would you tell your child or your lover > to avoid smoking cigarettes or to please quit drinking so much? Z > I hate to tell you this Tom because it seems you got this fatalistic thing going on here, but you already are doing the earntest thing very well. Any body that writes as many posts as you write is certainly earnest. The earnestness Nis speaks to is to keep telling the truth until you become who you are. It is a prayer to always tell the truth. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 > I hate to tell you this Tom because it seems you got this fatalistic > thing going on here, but you already are doing the earntest thing very > well. Any body that writes as many posts as you write is certainly > earnest. The earnestness Nis speaks to is to keep telling the truth > until you become who you are. It is a prayer to always tell the truth. > Joe. > Earnestness is a function of energy--see how earnest your are about anything other than food when you have not eaten in 2 or three days.I read an account by an austrian journalist who had spent 15 or 20 years in a soviet prison camp.He had been a rabid communist in the 1930's.He ran afoul of Stalin and was put on trial.He was so gung ho on party unity that he confessed that he had committed crimes he hadn't because he felt it was for the party's good. They sent him to Siberia.It did not take too long in that environment--little food, hard work, great cold, no support--for all his interest in the party to evaporate.He had only one alligeance then--survival. I am getting off the track--what I want to say is earnestness is dependent on energy and who are you or I--being nothing but clusters of thoughts-- to think we can create so much as one watt's worth of that?I mean, it is a thing, a physical entity, it is like a bird flying across the sky. Go create a robin. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > I hate to tell you this Tom because it seems you got this > fatalistic > > thing going on here, but you already are doing the earntest thing > very > > well. Any body that writes as many posts as you write is certainly > > earnest. The earnestness Nis speaks to is to keep telling the truth > > until you become who you are. It is a prayer to always tell the > truth. > > Joe. > > > Earnestness is a function of energy--see how earnest your are about > anything other than food when you have not eaten in 2 or three days.I > read an account by an austrian journalist who had spent 15 or 20 > years in a soviet prison camp.He had been a rabid communist in the > 1930's.He ran afoul of Stalin and was put on trial.He was so gung ho > on party unity that he confessed that he had committed crimes he > hadn't because he felt it was for the party's good. They sent him to > Siberia.It did not take too long in that environment--little food, > hard work, great cold, no support--for all his interest in the party > to evaporate.He had only one alligeance then--survival. I am getting > off the track--what I want to say is earnestness is dependent on > energy and who are you or I--being nothing but clusters of thoughts- - > to think we can create so much as one watt's worth of that?I mean, > it is a thing, a physical entity, it is like a bird flying across the > sky. Go create a robin. Z > when you are dying from starvation consciousness will be present before during and after the body dies. I think you confuse " the during " as being real. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 > > > when you are dying from starvation consciousness will be present > before during and after the body dies. > I think you confuse " the during " as being real. > Joe > Please let me know when you are planning to starve yourself--and having to carry a full load of work at the same time--so I can be there to admire your steadfast holding-to-truth.I am not saying it can't be done, but there are many fewer who can actually do it than there are who thimk they can.You may be one of the fortunate former.I fear I am of the latter breed.Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > > when you are dying from starvation consciousness will be present > > before during and after the body dies. > > I think you confuse " the during " as being real. > > Joe > > > Please let me know when you are planning to starve yourself--and having > to carry a full load of work at the same time--so I can be there to > admire your steadfast holding-to-truth.I am not saying it can't be > done, but there are many fewer who can actually do it than there are > who thimk they can.You may be one of the fortunate former.I fear I am > of the latter breed.Z > concsiousness is not a belief to hold onto, rather " it " holds that belief to be thought. so say that you believe you cannot be earnest when starvation is at hand. would the outcome be any less horrific if you could? your demise is at hand. all beliefs(including this one) will die but the background it appears in and disappears in is who you are. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > <snipped> > > > when you are dying from starvation consciousness will be present > before during and after the body dies. > I think you confuse " the during " as being real. > Joe > the problem being, there is no 'you' to prove it. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > <snipped> > > > > > when you are dying from starvation consciousness will be present > > before during and after the body dies. > > I think you confuse " the during " as being real. > > Joe > > > > the problem being, there is no 'you' to prove it. > > Anna > and what will proof give you? serenity of mind? the cat is chasing it's own tail. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 > > > > > Please let me know when you are planning to starve yourself--and > having > > to carry a full load of work at the same time--so I can be there to > > admire your steadfast holding-to-truth.I am not saying it can't be > > done, but there are many fewer who can actually do it than there are > > who thimk they can.You may be one of the fortunate former.I fear I am > > of the latter breed.Z > > > concsiousness is not a belief to hold onto, > rather " it " holds that belief to be thought. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > > > > Please let me know when you are planning to starve yourself-- and > > having > > > to carry a full load of work at the same time--so I can be there to > > > admire your steadfast holding-to-truth.I am not saying it can't be > > > done, but there are many fewer who can actually do it than there > are > > > who thimk they can.You may be one of the fortunate former.I fear I > am > > > of the latter breed.Z > > > > > concsiousness is not a belief to hold onto, > > rather " it " holds that belief to be thought. > > > > >Joe: I did not say saything about belief in my post.Holding-to-truth means being the gap between two beliefs.The gap behind all beliefs.The gap knows it has no hold or control on anyuthing in the world of beliefs. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know when you are planning to starve yourself-- > and > > > having > > > > to carry a full load of work at the same time--so I can be > there to > > > > admire your steadfast holding-to-truth.I am not saying it can't > be > > > > done, but there are many fewer who can actually do it than > there > > are > > > > who thimk they can.You may be one of the fortunate former.I > fear I > > am > > > > of the latter breed.Z > > > > > > > concsiousness is not a belief to hold onto, > > > rather " it " holds that belief to be thought. > > > > > > > >Joe: I did not say saything about belief in my post.Holding-to- truth > means being the gap between two beliefs.The gap behind all > beliefs.The gap knows it has no hold or control on anyuthing in the > world of beliefs. Z > Yes, rendering all thoughts, ideas and beliefs not only irrelevant but untrue. leaving only consciousness as reality. yes? Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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