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J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " :

 

When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back to

that person which also means that one no longer is learning anything

of and about that person.

 

But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one

starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This

looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the

beginning of learning again about the other, observing and watching is

starting and one is opening again.

 

And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is

the ending of respect.

 

In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for

respect.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

 

J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " :

 

When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back to

that person which also means that one no longer is learning anything

of and about that person.

 

But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one

starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This

looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the

beginning of learning again about the other, observing and watching is

starting and one is opening again.

 

And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is

the ending of respect.

 

In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for

respect.

 

Werner

 

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " :

>

> When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back to

> that person which also means that one no longer is learning anything

> of and about that person.

>

> But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one

> starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This

> looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the

> beginning of learning again about the other, observing and watching is

> starting and one is opening again.

>

> And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is

> the ending of respect.

>

> In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for

> respect.

>

> Werner

>

 

Respect is a tricky word, Werner, it depends on who is asking for it

and who is getting it, most importantly; who defines it.

 

Anna

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " :

> >

> > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back to

> > that person which also means that one no longer is learning anything

> > of and about that person.

> >

> > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one

> > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This

> > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the

> > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and watching is

> > starting and one is opening again.

> >

> > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is

> > the ending of respect.

> >

> > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for

> > respect.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

> Respect is a tricky word, Werner, it depends on who is asking for it

> and who is getting it, most importantly; who defines it.

>

> Anna

 

 

and the phantom which believes that 'it' is 'giving' 'respect'..

 

to anything or anyone..

 

tells the biggest tale of all.

 

all for no one.

 

..b b.b.

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Sir

 

With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a

special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning

to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but

according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the word

respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or

esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one

agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I am

going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one else

knows?

 

v h

 

 

 

 

In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " :

>

> When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back

to

> that person which also means that one no longer is learning

anything

> of and about that person.

>

> But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one

> starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This

> looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the

> beginning of learning again about the other, observing and

watching is

> starting and one is opening again.

>

> And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is

> the ending of respect.

>

> In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for

> respect.

>

> Werner

>

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Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred wrote:

>

> Sir

>

> With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a

> special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning

> to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but

> according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the word

> respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or

> esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one

> agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I am

> going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one else

> knows?

>

> v h

 

 

 

one has to respect that notion.

 

as far as one must respect any notion.

 

no matter how unreal or how so 'so what?' about that notion.

 

it can even be an emotion of a notion..

 

if the light reflects, one must respect.

 

with deference,

 

..b b.b.

 

 

p.s.

 

PLEASE LEAVE O.J. ALONE!

 

he is only trying to live a normal life.

 

Please respect this plea for a wonderful American Idol.

 

(Fans of the Fabulous)

 

 

 

*****************************NNB**************************************

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " :

> >

> > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back

> to

> > that person which also means that one no longer is learning

> anything

> > of and about that person.

> >

> > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one

> > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This

> > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the

> > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and

> watching is

> > starting and one is opening again.

> >

> > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is

> > the ending of respect.

> >

> > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for

> > respect.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred wrote:

>

> Sir

>

> With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a

> special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning

> to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but

> according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the word

> respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or

> esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one

> agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I am

> going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one else

> knows?

>

> v h

 

 

And now v h,

 

please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word

respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel high

esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all people or

for none ?

 

If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in

your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ?

 

Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the same

coin ?

 

Werner

 

 

>

>

>

>

> In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " :

> >

> > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back

> to

> > that person which also means that one no longer is learning

> anything

> > of and about that person.

> >

> > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one

> > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This

> > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the

> > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and

> watching is

> > starting and one is opening again.

> >

> > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is

> > the ending of respect.

> >

> > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for

> > respect.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

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To continue werner

When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or

views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid provoking

or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to.

 

When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think that

this is a proper use to the word.

 

When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its opposite.

 

Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or

anyone, one should simply look objectively.

 

v h

 

In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@>

wrote:

> >

> > Sir

> >

> > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a

> > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning

> > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but

> > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the

word

> > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or

> > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one

> > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I

am

> > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one

else

> > knows?

> >

> > v h

>

>

> And now v h,

>

> please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word

> respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel

high

> esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all

people or

> for none ?

>

> If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in

> your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ?

>

> Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the

same

> coin ?

>

> Werner

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the

word " respect " :

> > >

> > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's

back

> > to

> > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning

> > anything

> > > of and about that person.

> > >

> > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while

one

> > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This

> > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is

the

> > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and

> > watching is

> > > starting and one is opening again.

> > >

> > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way

which is

> > > the ending of respect.

> > >

> > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need

for

> > > respect.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote:

>

> To continue werner

> When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or

> views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid provoking

> or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to.

>

> When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think that

> this is a proper use to the word.

>

> When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its opposite.

>

> Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or

> anyone, one should simply look objectively.

>

> v h

 

 

 

when there is saying that one should or should not...

 

whether it's about crossing lines..

 

or avoiding doing anything...

 

there is judging...

 

a looking down or a looking up.

 

if there is a looking of this nature going on at all..

 

objectivity doesn't dwell there.

 

this may seem to be a terrible trap...

 

but you get what you gets.

 

if there is looking...there is a 'somewhat' which is looking..

 

and by that very looking..there is judging.

 

Lose the 'looker' and lose all considerations of:

 

whether 'you' have been done wrong..

 

whether 'you' have a 'reason' to jump up in anger or resentment..

 

'you' are then at CAUSE..

 

and no longer at effect and 'being done' by someone or something else.

 

it's but an invocation to grow up.

 

that's it and THAT is All.

 

..b b.b.

 

*******************************nnb************************************

 

 

 

 

 

> In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir

> > >

> > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a

> > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning

> > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but

> > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the

> word

> > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or

> > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one

> > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I

> am

> > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one

> else

> > > knows?

> > >

> > > v h

> >

> >

> > And now v h,

> >

> > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word

> > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel

> high

> > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all

> people or

> > for none ?

> >

> > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in

> > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ?

> >

> > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the

> same

> > coin ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the

> word " respect " :

> > > >

> > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's

> back

> > > to

> > > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning

> > > anything

> > > > of and about that person.

> > > >

> > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while

> one

> > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This

> > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is

> the

> > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and

> > > watching is

> > > > starting and one is opening again.

> > > >

> > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way

> which is

> > > > the ending of respect.

> > > >

> > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need

> for

> > > > respect.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred@> wrote:

> >

> > To continue werner

> > When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or

> > views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid

provoking

> > or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to.

> >

> > When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think

that

> > this is a proper use to the word.

> >

> > When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its

opposite.

> >

> > Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or

> > anyone, one should simply look objectively.

> >

> > v h

>

>

>

> when there is saying that one should or should not...

>

> whether it's about crossing lines..

>

> or avoiding doing anything...

>

> there is judging...

>

> a looking down or a looking up.

>

> if there is a looking of this nature going on at all..

>

> objectivity doesn't dwell there.

>

> this may seem to be a terrible trap...

>

> but you get what you gets.

>

> if there is looking...there is a 'somewhat' which is looking..

>

> and by that very looking..there is judging.

>

> Lose the 'looker' and lose all considerations of:

>

> whether 'you' have been done wrong..

>

> whether 'you' have a 'reason' to jump up in anger or resentment..

>

> 'you' are then at CAUSE..

>

> and no longer at effect and 'being done' by someone or something

else.

>

> it's but an invocation to grow up.

>

> that's it and THAT is All.

>

> .b b.b.

>

>

*******************************nnb***********************************

*

>

>

>

>

>

> > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir

> > > >

> > > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin

a

> > > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning

> > > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one,

but

> > > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of

the

> > word

> > > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high

regard or

> > > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every

one

> > > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words?

if I

> > am

> > > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no

one

> > else

> > > > knows?

> > > >

> > > > v h

> > >

> > >

> > > And now v h,

> > >

> > > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word

> > > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you

feel

> > high

> > > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all

> > people or

> > > for none ?

> > >

> > > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt

sitting in

> > > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high

esteem ?

> > >

> > > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of

the

> > same

> > > coin ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the

> > word " respect " :

> > > > >

> > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig

one's

> > back

> > > > to

> > > > > that person which also means that one no longer is

learning

> > > > anything

> > > > > of and about that person.

> > > > >

> > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a

while

> > one

> > > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person.

This

> > > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also

is

> > the

> > > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and

> > > > watching is

> > > > > starting and one is opening again.

> > > > >

> > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way

> > which is

> > > > > the ending of respect.

> > > > >

> > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no

need

> > for

> > > > > respect.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

There is a look without the one that looks, there is a seeing

without a seer, there is a hearing without a hearer,...etc.

 

There is a judging without the one that judges in the form of this

is water not wine, this perfume and not stinch.

 

To remove all limitations means to experience aloness as Jk would

say, this is a freedom man has to use wisely and depending on the

circumstances, he might appear to be nice or bad, no gain and no

loss, no harm and no good, this is action and not reaction.

 

v h

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Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred@> wrote:

> > >

> > > To continue werner

> > > When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or

> > > views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid

> provoking

> > > or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to.

> > >

> > > When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think

> that

> > > this is a proper use to the word.

> > >

> > > When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its

> opposite.

> > >

> > > Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or

> > > anyone, one should simply look objectively.

> > >

> > > v h

> >

> >

> >

> > when there is saying that one should or should not...

> >

> > whether it's about crossing lines..

> >

> > or avoiding doing anything...

> >

> > there is judging...

> >

> > a looking down or a looking up.

> >

> > if there is a looking of this nature going on at all..

> >

> > objectivity doesn't dwell there.

> >

> > this may seem to be a terrible trap...

> >

> > but you get what you gets.

> >

> > if there is looking...there is a 'somewhat' which is looking..

> >

> > and by that very looking..there is judging.

> >

> > Lose the 'looker' and lose all considerations of:

> >

> > whether 'you' have been done wrong..

> >

> > whether 'you' have a 'reason' to jump up in anger or resentment..

> >

> > 'you' are then at CAUSE..

> >

> > and no longer at effect and 'being done' by someone or something

> else.

> >

> > it's but an invocation to grow up.

> >

> > that's it and THAT is All.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> >

> *******************************nnb***********************************

> *

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir

> > > > >

> > > > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin

> a

> > > > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning

> > > > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one,

> but

> > > > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of

> the

> > > word

> > > > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high

> regard or

> > > > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every

> one

> > > > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words?

> if I

> > > am

> > > > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no

> one

> > > else

> > > > > knows?

> > > > >

> > > > > v h

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > And now v h,

> > > >

> > > > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word

> > > > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you

> feel

> > > high

> > > > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all

> > > people or

> > > > for none ?

> > > >

> > > > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt

> sitting in

> > > > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high

> esteem ?

> > > >

> > > > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of

> the

> > > same

> > > > coin ?

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the

> > > word " respect " :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig

> one's

> > > back

> > > > > to

> > > > > > that person which also means that one no longer is

> learning

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > of and about that person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a

> while

> > > one

> > > > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person.

> This

> > > > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and

> > > > > watching is

> > > > > > starting and one is opening again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way

> > > which is

> > > > > > the ending of respect.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no

> need

> > > for

> > > > > > respect.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> There is a look without the one that looks, there is a seeing

> without a seer, there is a hearing without a hearer,...etc.

>

> There is a judging without the one that judges in the form of this

> is water not wine, this perfume and not stinch.

>

> To remove all limitations means to experience aloness as Jk would

> say, this is a freedom man has to use wisely and depending on the

> circumstances, he might appear to be nice or bad, no gain and no

> loss, no harm and no good, this is action and not reaction.

>

> v h

 

 

that's 'being' the 'result' of, and the 'subject' of, an 'other'...

 

whether that 'other' is conceived as a 'person' or 'thing'.

 

that is being at EFFECT.

 

that's NOT living..that's killing time.

 

that is not Being at Cause.

 

that is being as reactionary as it gets.

 

when there is a judger, seer, looker, thinker, taster, hearer...

 

toucher, smeller, taster, experiencer..etc.

 

there is delusion and misguided belief structure.

 

that's looking into the past for pictures of experiences gone by..

 

as the causes of one's state.

 

that is bullshit.

 

all that does is keep the essence trapped in the illusionary.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote:

>

> To continue werner

> When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or

> views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid provoking

> or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to.

>

> When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think that

> this is a proper use to the word.

>

> When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its

opposite.

>

> Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or

> anyone, one should simply look objectively.

>

> v h

>

> In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir

> > >

> > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a

> > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning

> > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but

> > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the

> word

> > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard

or

> > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every

one

> > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I

> am

> > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one

> else

> > > knows?

> > >

> > > v h

> >

> >

> > And now v h,

> >

> > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word

> > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel

> high

> > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all

> people or

> > for none ?

> >

> > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in

> > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ?

> >

> > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the

> same

> > coin ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the

> word " respect " :

> > > >

> > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's

> back

> > > to

> > > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning

> > > anything

> > > > of and about that person.

> > > >

> > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while

> one

> > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person.

This

> > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is

> the

> > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and

> > > watching is

> > > > starting and one is opening again.

> > > >

> > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way

> which is

> > > > the ending of respect.

> > > >

> > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no

need

> for

> > > > respect.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

I reckon if Nis were alive he would be flaming worse than the b. man

does.

if you wants to be respected as a person. . .join a church.

if you want what you say to be respected and heard take your poor

fragile ego out the equation and speak from the heart and allow all

to be said back.

ARRRRHG! I think Nis rolled over in his grave.

Joe.

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Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote:

>

> To continue werner

> When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or

> views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid provoking

> or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to.

>

> When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think that

> this is a proper use to the word.

 

 

No, vh. he did not use the word re-inspect. That is your

interpretation.

 

Werner

 

 

>

> When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its

opposite.

>

> Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or

> anyone, one should simply look objectively.

>

> v h

>

> In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir

> > >

> > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a

> > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning

> > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but

> > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the

> word

> > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard

or

> > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every

one

> > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I

> am

> > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one

> else

> > > knows?

> > >

> > > v h

> >

> >

> > And now v h,

> >

> > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word

> > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel

> high

> > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all

> people or

> > for none ?

> >

> > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in

> > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ?

> >

> > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the

> same

> > coin ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the

> word " respect " :

> > > >

> > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's

> back

> > > to

> > > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning

> > > anything

> > > > of and about that person.

> > > >

> > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while

> one

> > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person.

This

> > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is

> the

> > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and

> > > watching is

> > > > starting and one is opening again.

> > > >

> > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way

> which is

> > > > the ending of respect.

> > > >

> > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no

need

> for

> > > > respect.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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