Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " : When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back to that person which also means that one no longer is learning anything of and about that person. But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the beginning of learning again about the other, observing and watching is starting and one is opening again. And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is the ending of respect. In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for respect. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " : When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back to that person which also means that one no longer is learning anything of and about that person. But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the beginning of learning again about the other, observing and watching is starting and one is opening again. And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is the ending of respect. In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for respect. Werner --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " : > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back to > that person which also means that one no longer is learning anything > of and about that person. > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and watching is > starting and one is opening again. > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is > the ending of respect. > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for > respect. > > Werner > Respect is a tricky word, Werner, it depends on who is asking for it and who is getting it, most importantly; who defines it. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " : > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back to > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning anything > > of and about that person. > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and watching is > > starting and one is opening again. > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is > > the ending of respect. > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for > > respect. > > > > Werner > > > > Respect is a tricky word, Werner, it depends on who is asking for it > and who is getting it, most importantly; who defines it. > > Anna and the phantom which believes that 'it' is 'giving' 'respect'.. to anything or anyone.. tells the biggest tale of all. all for no one. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Sir With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the word respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I am going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one else knows? v h In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " : > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back to > that person which also means that one no longer is learning anything > of and about that person. > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and watching is > starting and one is opening again. > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is > the ending of respect. > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for > respect. > > Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred wrote: > > Sir > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the word > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I am > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one else > knows? > > v h one has to respect that notion. as far as one must respect any notion. no matter how unreal or how so 'so what?' about that notion. it can even be an emotion of a notion.. if the light reflects, one must respect. with deference, ..b b.b. p.s. PLEASE LEAVE O.J. ALONE! he is only trying to live a normal life. Please respect this plea for a wonderful American Idol. (Fans of the Fabulous) *****************************NNB************************************** > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " : > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back > to > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning > anything > > of and about that person. > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and > watching is > > starting and one is opening again. > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is > > the ending of respect. > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for > > respect. > > > > Werner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred wrote: > > Sir > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the word > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I am > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one else > knows? > > v h And now v h, please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel high esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all people or for none ? If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ? Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the same coin ? Werner > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " : > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back > to > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning > anything > > of and about that person. > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and > watching is > > starting and one is opening again. > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is > > the ending of respect. > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for > > respect. > > > > Werner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 To continue werner When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid provoking or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to. When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think that this is a proper use to the word. When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its opposite. Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or anyone, one should simply look objectively. v h In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@> wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the word > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I am > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one else > > knows? > > > > v h > > > And now v h, > > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel high > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all people or > for none ? > > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ? > > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the same > coin ? > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the word " respect " : > > > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's back > > to > > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning > > anything > > > of and about that person. > > > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while one > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is the > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and > > watching is > > > starting and one is opening again. > > > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way which is > > > the ending of respect. > > > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need for > > > respect. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote: > > To continue werner > When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or > views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid provoking > or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to. > > When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think that > this is a proper use to the word. > > When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its opposite. > > Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or > anyone, one should simply look objectively. > > v h when there is saying that one should or should not... whether it's about crossing lines.. or avoiding doing anything... there is judging... a looking down or a looking up. if there is a looking of this nature going on at all.. objectivity doesn't dwell there. this may seem to be a terrible trap... but you get what you gets. if there is looking...there is a 'somewhat' which is looking.. and by that very looking..there is judging. Lose the 'looker' and lose all considerations of: whether 'you' have been done wrong.. whether 'you' have a 'reason' to jump up in anger or resentment.. 'you' are then at CAUSE.. and no longer at effect and 'being done' by someone or something else. it's but an invocation to grow up. that's it and THAT is All. ..b b.b. *******************************nnb************************************ > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@> > wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a > > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning > > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but > > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the > word > > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or > > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one > > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I > am > > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one > else > > > knows? > > > > > > v h > > > > > > And now v h, > > > > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word > > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel > high > > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all > people or > > for none ? > > > > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in > > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ? > > > > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the > same > > coin ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the > word " respect " : > > > > > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's > back > > > to > > > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning > > > anything > > > > of and about that person. > > > > > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while > one > > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is > the > > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and > > > watching is > > > > starting and one is opening again. > > > > > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way > which is > > > > the ending of respect. > > > > > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need > for > > > > respect. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred@> wrote: > > > > To continue werner > > When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or > > views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid provoking > > or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to. > > > > When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think that > > this is a proper use to the word. > > > > When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its opposite. > > > > Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or > > anyone, one should simply look objectively. > > > > v h > > > > when there is saying that one should or should not... > > whether it's about crossing lines.. > > or avoiding doing anything... > > there is judging... > > a looking down or a looking up. > > if there is a looking of this nature going on at all.. > > objectivity doesn't dwell there. > > this may seem to be a terrible trap... > > but you get what you gets. > > if there is looking...there is a 'somewhat' which is looking.. > > and by that very looking..there is judging. > > Lose the 'looker' and lose all considerations of: > > whether 'you' have been done wrong.. > > whether 'you' have a 'reason' to jump up in anger or resentment.. > > 'you' are then at CAUSE.. > > and no longer at effect and 'being done' by someone or something else. > > it's but an invocation to grow up. > > that's it and THAT is All. > > .b b.b. > > *******************************nnb*********************************** * > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a > > > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning > > > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but > > > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the > > word > > > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or > > > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one > > > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I > > am > > > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one > > else > > > > knows? > > > > > > > > v h > > > > > > > > > And now v h, > > > > > > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word > > > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel > > high > > > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all > > people or > > > for none ? > > > > > > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in > > > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ? > > > > > > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the > > same > > > coin ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the > > word " respect " : > > > > > > > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's > > back > > > > to > > > > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning > > > > anything > > > > > of and about that person. > > > > > > > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while > > one > > > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > > > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is > > the > > > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and > > > > watching is > > > > > starting and one is opening again. > > > > > > > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way > > which is > > > > > the ending of respect. > > > > > > > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need > > for > > > > > respect. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a look without the one that looks, there is a seeing without a seer, there is a hearing without a hearer,...etc. There is a judging without the one that judges in the form of this is water not wine, this perfume and not stinch. To remove all limitations means to experience aloness as Jk would say, this is a freedom man has to use wisely and depending on the circumstances, he might appear to be nice or bad, no gain and no loss, no harm and no good, this is action and not reaction. v h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred@> wrote: > > > > > > To continue werner > > > When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or > > > views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid > provoking > > > or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to. > > > > > > When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think > that > > > this is a proper use to the word. > > > > > > When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its > opposite. > > > > > > Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or > > > anyone, one should simply look objectively. > > > > > > v h > > > > > > > > when there is saying that one should or should not... > > > > whether it's about crossing lines.. > > > > or avoiding doing anything... > > > > there is judging... > > > > a looking down or a looking up. > > > > if there is a looking of this nature going on at all.. > > > > objectivity doesn't dwell there. > > > > this may seem to be a terrible trap... > > > > but you get what you gets. > > > > if there is looking...there is a 'somewhat' which is looking.. > > > > and by that very looking..there is judging. > > > > Lose the 'looker' and lose all considerations of: > > > > whether 'you' have been done wrong.. > > > > whether 'you' have a 'reason' to jump up in anger or resentment.. > > > > 'you' are then at CAUSE.. > > > > and no longer at effect and 'being done' by someone or something > else. > > > > it's but an invocation to grow up. > > > > that's it and THAT is All. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > *******************************nnb*********************************** > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin > a > > > > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning > > > > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, > but > > > > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of > the > > > word > > > > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high > regard or > > > > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every > one > > > > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? > if I > > > am > > > > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no > one > > > else > > > > > knows? > > > > > > > > > > v h > > > > > > > > > > > > And now v h, > > > > > > > > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word > > > > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you > feel > > > high > > > > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all > > > people or > > > > for none ? > > > > > > > > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt > sitting in > > > > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high > esteem ? > > > > > > > > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of > the > > > same > > > > coin ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the > > > word " respect " : > > > > > > > > > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig > one's > > > back > > > > > to > > > > > > that person which also means that one no longer is > learning > > > > > anything > > > > > > of and about that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a > while > > > one > > > > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. > This > > > > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also > is > > > the > > > > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and > > > > > watching is > > > > > > starting and one is opening again. > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way > > > which is > > > > > > the ending of respect. > > > > > > > > > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no > need > > > for > > > > > > respect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a look without the one that looks, there is a seeing > without a seer, there is a hearing without a hearer,...etc. > > There is a judging without the one that judges in the form of this > is water not wine, this perfume and not stinch. > > To remove all limitations means to experience aloness as Jk would > say, this is a freedom man has to use wisely and depending on the > circumstances, he might appear to be nice or bad, no gain and no > loss, no harm and no good, this is action and not reaction. > > v h that's 'being' the 'result' of, and the 'subject' of, an 'other'... whether that 'other' is conceived as a 'person' or 'thing'. that is being at EFFECT. that's NOT living..that's killing time. that is not Being at Cause. that is being as reactionary as it gets. when there is a judger, seer, looker, thinker, taster, hearer... toucher, smeller, taster, experiencer..etc. there is delusion and misguided belief structure. that's looking into the past for pictures of experiences gone by.. as the causes of one's state. that is bullshit. all that does is keep the essence trapped in the illusionary. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote: > > To continue werner > When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or > views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid provoking > or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to. > > When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think that > this is a proper use to the word. > > When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its opposite. > > Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or > anyone, one should simply look objectively. > > v h > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@> > wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a > > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning > > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but > > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the > word > > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or > > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one > > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I > am > > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one > else > > > knows? > > > > > > v h > > > > > > And now v h, > > > > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word > > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel > high > > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all > people or > > for none ? > > > > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in > > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ? > > > > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the > same > > coin ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the > word " respect " : > > > > > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's > back > > > to > > > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning > > > anything > > > > of and about that person. > > > > > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while > one > > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is > the > > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and > > > watching is > > > > starting and one is opening again. > > > > > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way > which is > > > > the ending of respect. > > > > > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need > for > > > > respect. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > I reckon if Nis were alive he would be flaming worse than the b. man does. if you wants to be respected as a person. . .join a church. if you want what you say to be respected and heard take your poor fragile ego out the equation and speak from the heart and allow all to be said back. ARRRRHG! I think Nis rolled over in his grave. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote: > > To continue werner > When two people are discussing a subject or exchangine ideas or > views there is a line which neither should cross to avoid provoking > or insulting each other. This is the respect I am referring to. > > When Jk used the word respect as to re-inspect I do not think that > this is a proper use to the word. No, vh. he did not use the word re-inspect. That is your interpretation. Werner > > When esteem is used instead of respect then contempt is its opposite. > > Truly, one should neither look high or look down at anything or > anyone, one should simply look objectively. > > v h > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " v.halbred " <v.halbred@> > wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > With all due respect to JK, it looks that JK wanted to coin a > > > special meaning to the word respect ( with the meaning > > > to " reconsider " ) to drive a certain point home to some one, but > > > according to the dictionary, we all know the proper use of the > word > > > respect. Respect means to consider desrving with high regard or > > > esteem. It is always better -for me- to use words that every one > > > agrees to its meaning, otherwise what is the use of words? if I > am > > > going to use a word that I give my special meaning that no one > else > > > knows? > > > > > > v h > > > > > > And now v h, > > > > please go a bit further and ponder the " proper use " of the word > > respect. What lies hidden behind " high esteem ? Why do you feel > high > > esteem for one person but not for the other, why not for all > people or > > for none ? > > > > If there no longer is left the least amount of contempt sitting in > > your psyche, in your mind, can your then still feel high esteem ? > > > > Do you see that contempt and high esteem are the two sides of the > same > > coin ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti once explained the meaning of the > word " respect " : > > > > > > > > When one feels contempt towards a person, one is turnig one's > back > > > to > > > > that person which also means that one no longer is learning > > > anything > > > > of and about that person. > > > > > > > > But if there is enough time for pondering then after a while > one > > > > starts looking behind one's shoulder backt to that person. This > > > > looking back over one's shoulder is " re-spect " which also is > the > > > > beginning of learning again about the other, observing and > > > watching is > > > > starting and one is opening again. > > > > > > > > And finally one totally turns to the other in an open way > which is > > > > the ending of respect. > > > > > > > > In short: When there is no contempt then there is also no need > for > > > > respect. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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