Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 why is that? why ask: 'why that is'? why ask: 'why ask why that is'? why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? 'why' is bullshit. 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': BE CAUSE. being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. because CAUSE is all that IS. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <> BE CAUSE. > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > .b b.b. > Yes. As we now know, the gnat's wing started Andrew, andCleo, and Katrina etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <> BE CAUSE. > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Yes. As we now know, the gnat's wing started Andrew, andCleo, and > Katrina etc. so.... 'what' started the gnat's wing? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 nothing.. uncaused ? dianaroberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: Nisargadatta , "tom" <jeusisbuen wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "roberibus111" <> BE CAUSE.> > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'..> > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE.> > > > because CAUSE is all that IS.> > > > .b b.b.> >> Yes. As we now know, the gnat's wing started Andrew, andCleo, and > Katrina etc.so....'what' started the gnat's wing?.b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > nothing.. uncaused ? diana if there is a gnats wing in 'your' reality.. 'you' started the gnats wing. in 'Life as lived' all that can be known is at CAUSE.. by the living one. if 'i' told 'you': " today ten butterfly species will be annihilated.. because of lousy industrialization " .. what would that have as an EFFECT in your life? if it's not part of your EXPERIENCE it is unreal. better still: what is the sound of a tree falling in the forest if no one if there? answer: the sound of a tree falling in a forest without 'me' being there IS.. the sound of a tree falling etc. ditto ditto ditto........ 'you' are CAUSE... 'you' being any and all 'yous'. NO ONE can DO anything to you. hard as hell to 'get' or believe but... we each and every MUST take responsibility for our world. 'we' CREATE it! how about war? if you are in a war, hear about a war, fear war... it is your own 'doing'. if you don't want war in your life.. DON'T. " hey you..sitting in a battle zone..why did you do that to you? you could have said no. you might go to jail..you might be called crazy.. but for you there is no war. the 'answer' to any question is what 'you' decide. if you asked me the time of day.. and i went out on a tractor and ployed the back 40... without ever saying a 'word' that does not make it a non answer.. maybe an unreasonable answer but an answer nonetheless. LOOK at 'reason' and 'reasons' and REALLY see what they do for you. life is not reasonable.. life does not have reasons and causes and wherefores. all those 'things' do for 'you' is let you throw off responsibility. THEY " RE at fault because 'i' didn't DO anything.. WRONG. YOU DO IT ALL. YOU SET UP THE GAME. IT IS YOUR PROVINCE and DOMAIN. IT used to be " they say....whatever " IT could be " it IS because it IS for and by 'me'. when we say " they say " .. the fact eludes the 'reasonable mind'.. that 'you' are fast becoming the 'they' of 'they say'. get it? NO ONE ELSE IS DOING,SAYING,EXPERIENCING... the Father and Son are SINGULAR. pax vobiscum. ..b b.b. > roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <> BE CAUSE. > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Yes. As we now know, the gnat's wing started Andrew, andCleo, and > > Katrina etc. > > so.... > > 'what' started the gnat's wing? > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 ok so the me not me called b.b.b. created an answer for the me not me called diana?roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellamwrote:>> nothing.. uncaused ? dianaif there is a gnats wing in 'your' reality..'you' started the gnats wing.in 'Life as lived' all that can be known is at CAUSE..by the living one.if 'i' told 'you':"today ten butterfly species will be annihilated..because of lousy industrialization"..what would that have as an EFFECT in your life?if it's not part of your EXPERIENCE it is unreal.better still:what is the sound of a tree falling in the forest if no one if there?answer:the sound of a tree falling in a forest without 'me' being there IS..the sound of a tree falling etc.ditto ditto ditto........'you' are CAUSE...'you' being any and all 'yous'.NO ONE can DO anything to you.hard as hell to 'get' or believe but...we each and every MUST take responsibility for our world.'we' CREATE it!how about war?if you are in a war, hear about a war, fear war...it is your own 'doing'.if you don't want war in your life..DON'T."hey you..sitting in a battle zone..why did you do that to you?you could have said no.you might go to jail..you might be called crazy..but for you there is no war.the 'answer' to any question is what 'you' decide.if you asked me the time of day..and i went out on a tractor and ployed the back 40...without ever saying a 'word'that does not make it a non answer..maybe an unreasonable answer but an answer nonetheless.LOOK at 'reason' and 'reasons' and REALLY see what they do for you.life is not reasonable..life does not have reasons and causes and wherefores.all those 'things' do for 'you' is let you throw off responsibility.THEY"RE at fault because 'i' didn't DO anything..WRONG.YOU DO IT ALL.YOU SET UP THE GAME.IT IS YOUR PROVINCE and DOMAIN.IT used to be "they say....whatever"IT could be "it IS because it IS for and by 'me'.when we say "they say"..the fact eludes the 'reasonable mind'..that 'you' are fast becoming the 'they' of 'they say'.get it?NO ONE ELSE IS DOING,SAYING,EXPERIENCING...the Father and Son are SINGULAR.pax vobiscum..b b.b.> roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- InNisargadatta , "tom" <jeusisbuen@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "roberibus111" <> BE CAUSE.> > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'..> > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE.> > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS.> > > > > > .b b.b.> > >> > Yes. As we now know, the gnat's wing started Andrew, andCleo, and > > Katrina etc.> > so....> > 'what' started the gnat's wing?> > .b b.b.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > ok so the me not me called b.b.b. created an answer for the me not me called diana? let us just say it was an ensemble production. we can share the royalties. hows that for fair! :-) ..b b.b. *******************************nnb************************************ > roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > wrote: > > > > nothing.. uncaused ? diana > > if there is a gnats wing in 'your' reality.. > > 'you' started the gnats wing. > > in 'Life as lived' all that can be known is at CAUSE.. > > by the living one. > > if 'i' told 'you': > > " today ten butterfly species will be annihilated.. > > because of lousy industrialization " .. > > what would that have as an EFFECT in your life? > > if it's not part of your EXPERIENCE it is unreal. > > better still: > > what is the sound of a tree falling in the forest if no one if there? > > answer: > > the sound of a tree falling in a forest without 'me' being there IS.. > > the sound of a tree falling etc. > > ditto ditto ditto........ > > 'you' are CAUSE... > > 'you' being any and all 'yous'. > > NO ONE can DO anything to you. > > hard as hell to 'get' or believe but... > > we each and every MUST take responsibility for our world. > > 'we' CREATE it! > > how about war? > > if you are in a war, hear about a war, fear war... > > it is your own 'doing'. > > if you don't want war in your life.. > > DON'T. > > " hey you..sitting in a battle zone..why did you do that to you? > > you could have said no. > > you might go to jail..you might be called crazy.. > > but for you there is no war. > > the 'answer' to any question is what 'you' decide. > > if you asked me the time of day.. > > and i went out on a tractor and ployed the back 40... > > without ever saying a 'word' > > that does not make it a non answer.. > > maybe an unreasonable answer but an answer nonetheless. > > LOOK at 'reason' and 'reasons' and REALLY see what they do for you. > > life is not reasonable.. > > life does not have reasons and causes and wherefores. > > all those 'things' do for 'you' is let you throw off responsibility. > > THEY " RE at fault because 'i' didn't DO anything.. > > WRONG. > > YOU DO IT ALL. > > YOU SET UP THE GAME. > > IT IS YOUR PROVINCE and DOMAIN. > > IT used to be " they say....whatever " > > IT could be " it IS because it IS for and by 'me'. > > when we say " they say " .. > > the fact eludes the 'reasonable mind'.. > > that 'you' are fast becoming the 'they' of 'they say'. > > get it? > > NO ONE ELSE IS DOING,SAYING,EXPERIENCING... > > the Father and Son are SINGULAR. > > pax vobiscum. > > .b b.b. > > > > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote: --- In > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <> BE CAUSE. > > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Yes. As we now know, the gnat's wing started Andrew, andCleo, and > > > Katrina etc. > > > > so.... > > > > 'what' started the gnat's wing? > > > > .b b.b. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 seems fair to me roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellamwrote:>> ok so the me not me called b.b.b. created an answer for the me notme called diana?let us just say it was an ensemble production.we can share the royalties.hows that for fair!:-).b b.b.*******************************nnb************************************> roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- InNisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@>> wrote:> >> > nothing.. uncaused ? diana> > if there is a gnats wing in 'your' reality..> > 'you' started the gnats wing.> > in 'Life as lived' all that can be known is at CAUSE..> > by the living one.> > if 'i' told 'you':> > "today ten butterfly species will be annihilated..> > because of lousy industrialization"..> > what would that have as an EFFECT in your life?> > if it's not part of your EXPERIENCE it is unreal.> > better still:> > what is the sound of a tree falling in the forest if no one if there?> > answer:> > the sound of a tree falling in a forest without 'me' being there IS..> > the sound of a tree falling etc.> > ditto ditto ditto........> > 'you' are CAUSE...> > 'you' being any and all 'yous'.> > NO ONE can DO anything to you.> > hard as hell to 'get' or believe but...> > we each and every MUST take responsibility for our world.> > 'we' CREATE it!> > how about war?> > if you are in a war, hear about a war, fear war...> > it is your own 'doing'.> > if you don't want war in your life..> > DON'T.> > "hey you..sitting in a battle zone..why did you do that to you?> > you could have said no.> > you might go to jail..you might be called crazy..> > but for you there is no war.> > the 'answer' to any question is what 'you' decide.> > if you asked me the time of day..> > and i went out on a tractor and ployed the back 40...> > without ever saying a 'word'> > that does not make it a non answer..> > maybe an unreasonable answer but an answer nonetheless.> > LOOK at 'reason' and 'reasons' and REALLY see what they do for you.> > life is not reasonable..> > life does not have reasons and causes and wherefores.> > all those 'things' do for 'you' is let you throw off responsibility.> > THEY"RE at fault because 'i' didn't DO anything..> > WRONG.> > YOU DO IT ALL.> > YOU SET UP THE GAME.> > IT IS YOUR PROVINCE and DOMAIN.> > IT used to be "they say....whatever"> > IT could be "it IS because it IS for and by 'me'.> > when we say "they say"..> > the fact eludes the 'reasonable mind'..> > that 'you' are fast becoming the 'they' of 'they say'.> > get it?> > NO ONE ELSE IS DOING,SAYING,EXPERIENCING...> > the Father and Son are SINGULAR.> > pax vobiscum.> > .b b.b.> > > > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote: --- In> Nisargadatta , "tom" <jeusisbuen@> wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "roberibus111" <> BE CAUSE.> > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'..> > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE.> > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS.> > > > > > > > .b b.b.> > > >> > > Yes. As we now know, the gnat's wing started Andrew, andCleo, and > > > Katrina etc.> > > > so....> > > > 'what' started the gnat's wing?> > > > .b b.b.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > why is that? > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > 'why' is bullshit. > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > BE CAUSE. > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > .b b.b. > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than CAUSE is a concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of the other '1001' illusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > why is that? > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > .b b.b. > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than CAUSE is a > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of the > other '1001' illusions. nope. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > why is that? > > > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than CAUSE is a > > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of the > > other '1001' illusions. > > > nope. > > .b b.b. words are marks on paper, air molecules in motion when spoken. what causes 'you' to 'think' they are concepts? words are scribbles, lies about that to which they point. what causes you to assume what they point to? YOU ARE AT CAUSE. the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. it is not a concept. YOU CAUSE IT TO BE A CONCEPT. nothing is real until and only when YOU CAUSE IT TO BE REAL. if you move air molecules in a motion that is designating a word.. that is nothing but air molecules moving on about nothing. ONLY CAUSE EXISTS. you are at EFFECT in believing that saying words are concepts. they are nothing at all until YOU CAUSE THEM TO BE SOMETHING MORE. 'you' here of course is the universal designation for any 'i'. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > why is that? > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > 'why' is bullshit. > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > BE CAUSE. > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > .b b.b. why? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > why is that? > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > .b b.b. > > > why? > > LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > why is that? > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than CAUSE is a > > > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of the > > > other '1001' illusions. > > > > > > nope. > > > > .b b.b. > > > words are marks on paper, air molecules in motion when spoken. > > what causes 'you' to 'think' they are concepts? > > words are scribbles, lies about that to which they point. > > what causes you to assume what they point to? > > YOU ARE AT CAUSE. > > the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > it is not a concept. > > YOU CAUSE IT TO BE A CONCEPT. > > nothing is real until and only when YOU CAUSE IT TO BE REAL. > > if you move air molecules in a motion that is designating a word.. > > that is nothing but air molecules moving on about nothing. > > ONLY CAUSE EXISTS. > > you are at EFFECT in believing that saying words are concepts. > > they are nothing at all until YOU CAUSE THEM TO BE SOMETHING MORE. > > 'you' here of course is the universal designation for any 'i'. > > .b b.b. > " the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. -Cause didn't invent cause, WE did. In our minds, in our dictionaries, and at school. Of course, cause doesn't have a live of its own. We bring it to life if we play games on forums like this one. Even if cause is seen as an abstract or psychological 'thing' presuppossing the concious mind it would still need to classify the event or entity with a name in order to memorize it, to understand it and finally trying to explain it. (And that's where most of the trouble is found, trying to explain the unexplainable.) Alas a concept/illusion is born. No witness, no cause, no nothing! No sound of falling trees in a forest without a witness, remember? And that is way too much causing a stir, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > why is that? > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > > > > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > > > > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than CAUSE is > a > > > > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of the > > > > other '1001' illusions. > > > > > > > > > nope. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > words are marks on paper, air molecules in motion when spoken. > > > > what causes 'you' to 'think' they are concepts? > > > > words are scribbles, lies about that to which they point. > > > > what causes you to assume what they point to? > > > > YOU ARE AT CAUSE. > > > > the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > it is not a concept. > > > > YOU CAUSE IT TO BE A CONCEPT. > > > > nothing is real until and only when YOU CAUSE IT TO BE REAL. > > > > if you move air molecules in a motion that is designating a word.. > > > > that is nothing but air molecules moving on about nothing. > > > > ONLY CAUSE EXISTS. > > > > you are at EFFECT in believing that saying words are concepts. > > > > they are nothing at all until YOU CAUSE THEM TO BE SOMETHING MORE. > > > > 'you' here of course is the universal designation for any 'i'. > > > > .b b.b. > > > " the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > -Cause didn't invent cause, WE did. In our minds, in our > dictionaries, and at school. all that is delusion and illusion. > Of course, cause doesn't have a live of its own. We bring it to life > if we play games on forums like this one. that's a joke. CAUSE is prior to, extant during, and will continue long 'after' 'we' or 'life' as you understand it. CAUSE is outside of time. Cause is Indifferent to your opinion or thought. > Even if cause is seen as an abstract or psychological 'thing' it's not seen. CAUSE CAN'T be 'seen', 'thought' nor 'thought about'. you're writing shadows on the wall. of course that's just what can be expected of a phantom.. frightened by TRUTH. your beliefs are 'churchy'. they comfort you. that's ok. but not you, me, them, or all those thoughts amount to anything. they are not original nor significant. they are derivative and silly. only CAUSE IS. > presuppossing the concious mind it would still need to classify the > event or entity with a name in order to memorize it, to understand > it and finally trying to explain it. oh bullshit! WHO 'presupposes'? what 'presupposition'? 'memorizing', 'understanding', 'explaining'.. are 'games' of alarmed children, and useless tricks.. that deceive and comfort insignificant nonentities. even a more 'advanced' civilization than this barbaric planet.. would laugh at that statement. CAUSE doesn't entertain such foolishness. Cause is not part of your foolish game of thinking... notions that 'thought' is some sort of 'evolved and important 'thing'. are undeserved and foolishly conceited.. that can only be laughed at. it's sophomoric to believe that you have an 'answer'. CAUSE needs NO answers. IT IS. answers are needed only by the enslaved clowns of reason. reason is a game to give 'meaning. there is no meaning to THAT WHICH IS. IT just IS. without reasons, thought, understanding, condition etc. (And that's where most of the > trouble is found, trying to explain the unexplainable.) Alas a > concept/illusion is born. that's just exactly what you're up to here. an illusion believing an illusion. a joke. that's not trouble.. who could that be trouble for? alas and alack and all is vanity. 'trouble'? ..........puleeze! > No witness, no cause, no nothing! No sound of falling trees in a > forest without a witness, remember? CAUSE IS the ONLY witness. the witnessed cannot witness. can 'you' get a witness? oh ho ho! any witnessing done by silly monkeys is wishful 'thinking'. > And that is way too much causing a stir, I believe. CAUSE remains unmoved by any of 'this'. CAUSE could not care less. CAUSE does NOT care at all. CAUSE is INDIFFERENT. nothing is stirring not even a mouse. Happy Day of the Turkeys. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > why is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > > > > > > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than CAUSE is > > a > > > > > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of the > > > > > other '1001' illusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > nope. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > words are marks on paper, air molecules in motion when spoken. > > > > > > what causes 'you' to 'think' they are concepts? > > > > > > words are scribbles, lies about that to which they point. > > > > > > what causes you to assume what they point to? > > > > > > YOU ARE AT CAUSE. > > > > > > the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > it is not a concept. > > > > > > YOU CAUSE IT TO BE A CONCEPT. > > > > > > nothing is real until and only when YOU CAUSE IT TO BE REAL. > > > > > > if you move air molecules in a motion that is designating a word.. > > > > > > that is nothing but air molecules moving on about nothing. > > > > > > ONLY CAUSE EXISTS. > > > > > > you are at EFFECT in believing that saying words are concepts. > > > > > > they are nothing at all until YOU CAUSE THEM TO BE SOMETHING MORE. > > > > > > 'you' here of course is the universal designation for any 'i'. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > " the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > -Cause didn't invent cause, WE did. In our minds, in our > > dictionaries, and at school. > > > all that is delusion and illusion. > > Of course, cause doesn't have a live of its own. We bring it to life > > if we play games on forums like this one. > > > that's a joke. > > CAUSE is prior to, extant during, and will continue long 'after' 'we' > > or 'life' as you understand it. > > CAUSE is outside of time. > > Cause is Indifferent to your opinion or thought. > > > > Even if cause is seen as an abstract or psychological 'thing' > > > > it's not seen. > > CAUSE CAN'T be 'seen', 'thought' nor 'thought about'. > > you're writing shadows on the wall. > > of course that's just what can be expected of a phantom.. > > frightened by TRUTH. > > your beliefs are 'churchy'. > > they comfort you. > > that's ok. > > but not you, me, them, or all those thoughts amount to anything. > > they are not original nor significant. > > they are derivative and silly. > > only CAUSE IS. > > > > > > > > presuppossing the concious mind it would still need to classify the > > event or entity with a name in order to memorize it, to understand > > it and finally trying to explain it. > > > > oh bullshit! > > WHO 'presupposes'? > > what 'presupposition'? > > 'memorizing', 'understanding', 'explaining'.. > > are 'games' of alarmed children, and useless tricks.. > > that deceive and comfort insignificant nonentities. > > even a more 'advanced' civilization than this barbaric planet.. > > would laugh at that statement. > > CAUSE doesn't entertain such foolishness. > > Cause is not part of your foolish game of thinking... > > notions that 'thought' is some sort of 'evolved and important 'thing'. > > are undeserved and foolishly conceited.. > > that can only be laughed at. > > it's sophomoric to believe that you have an 'answer'. > > CAUSE needs NO answers. > > IT IS. > > answers are needed only by the enslaved clowns of reason. > > reason is a game to give 'meaning. > > there is no meaning to THAT WHICH IS. > > IT just IS. > > without reasons, thought, understanding, condition etc. > > > > > > (And that's where most of the > > trouble is found, trying to explain the unexplainable.) Alas a > > concept/illusion is born. > > > > that's just exactly what you're up to here. > > an illusion believing an illusion. > > a joke. > > that's not trouble.. > > who could that be trouble for? > > alas and alack and all is vanity. > > 'trouble'? > > .........puleeze! > > > > > No witness, no cause, no nothing! No sound of falling trees in a > > forest without a witness, remember? > > > > > > CAUSE IS the ONLY witness. > > the witnessed cannot witness. > > can 'you' get a witness? > > oh ho ho! > > any witnessing done by silly monkeys is wishful 'thinking'. > > > > > > And that is way too much causing a stir, I believe. > CAUSE remains unmoved by any of 'this'. > > CAUSE could not care less. > > CAUSE does NOT care at all. > > CAUSE is INDIFFERENT. > > nothing is stirring not even a mouse. > IT definitely CAUSED you to move to some action. How come? Fear! Gone comfortable routine of having to confirm your existence EVERY MOMENT of the day. Loss of identity, concepts, and our most favorite we like to hang on to...illusions. Oh those Turkeys > Happy Day of the Turkeys. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than > CAUSE is > > > a > > > > > > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of the > > > > > > other '1001' illusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > words are marks on paper, air molecules in motion when spoken. > > > > > > > > what causes 'you' to 'think' they are concepts? > > > > > > > > words are scribbles, lies about that to which they point. > > > > > > > > what causes you to assume what they point to? > > > > > > > > YOU ARE AT CAUSE. > > > > > > > > the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > > > it is not a concept. > > > > > > > > YOU CAUSE IT TO BE A CONCEPT. > > > > > > > > nothing is real until and only when YOU CAUSE IT TO BE REAL. > > > > > > > > if you move air molecules in a motion that is designating a > word.. > > > > > > > > that is nothing but air molecules moving on about nothing. > > > > > > > > ONLY CAUSE EXISTS. > > > > > > > > you are at EFFECT in believing that saying words are concepts. > > > > > > > > they are nothing at all until YOU CAUSE THEM TO BE SOMETHING > MORE. > > > > > > > > 'you' here of course is the universal designation for any 'i'. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > " the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > -Cause didn't invent cause, WE did. In our minds, in our > > > dictionaries, and at school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all that is delusion and illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, cause doesn't have a live of its own. We bring it to > life > > > if we play games on forums like this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a joke. > > > > CAUSE is prior to, extant during, and will continue > long 'after' 'we' > > > > or 'life' as you understand it. > > > > CAUSE is outside of time. > > > > Cause is Indifferent to your opinion or thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if cause is seen as an abstract or psychological 'thing' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not seen. > > > > CAUSE CAN'T be 'seen', 'thought' nor 'thought about'. > > > > you're writing shadows on the wall. > > > > of course that's just what can be expected of a phantom.. > > > > frightened by TRUTH. > > > > your beliefs are 'churchy'. > > > > they comfort you. > > > > that's ok. > > > > but not you, me, them, or all those thoughts amount to anything. > > > > they are not original nor significant. > > > > they are derivative and silly. > > > > only CAUSE IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presuppossing the concious mind it would still need to classify > the > > > event or entity with a name in order to memorize it, to > understand > > > it and finally trying to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit! > > > > WHO 'presupposes'? > > > > what 'presupposition'? > > > > 'memorizing', 'understanding', 'explaining'.. > > > > are 'games' of alarmed children, and useless tricks.. > > > > that deceive and comfort insignificant nonentities. > > > > even a more 'advanced' civilization than this barbaric planet.. > > > > would laugh at that statement. > > > > CAUSE doesn't entertain such foolishness. > > > > Cause is not part of your foolish game of thinking... > > > > notions that 'thought' is some sort of 'evolved and > important 'thing'. > > > > are undeserved and foolishly conceited.. > > > > that can only be laughed at. > > > > it's sophomoric to believe that you have an 'answer'. > > > > CAUSE needs NO answers. > > > > IT IS. > > > > answers are needed only by the enslaved clowns of reason. > > > > reason is a game to give 'meaning. > > > > there is no meaning to THAT WHICH IS. > > > > IT just IS. > > > > without reasons, thought, understanding, condition etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (And that's where most of the > > > trouble is found, trying to explain the unexplainable.) Alas a > > > concept/illusion is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just exactly what you're up to here. > > > > an illusion believing an illusion. > > > > a joke. > > > > that's not trouble.. > > > > who could that be trouble for? > > > > alas and alack and all is vanity. > > > > 'trouble'? > > > > .........puleeze! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No witness, no cause, no nothing! No sound of falling trees in a > > > forest without a witness, remember? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE IS the ONLY witness. > > > > the witnessed cannot witness. > > > > can 'you' get a witness? > > > > oh ho ho! > > > > any witnessing done by silly monkeys is wishful 'thinking'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is way too much causing a stir, I believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE remains unmoved by any of 'this'. > > > > CAUSE could not care less. > > > > CAUSE does NOT care at all. > > > > CAUSE is INDIFFERENT. > > > > nothing is stirring not even a mouse. > > > > > IT definitely CAUSED you to move to some action. that doesn't move 'me'. that is not significant. > How come? you still haven't learned. there is no reason for anything. you are still afraid to realize that NOTHING has significance. the word FUCK is just 4 letters strung together. your thoughts, feelings, considerations 'et alia' are: unimportant, meaningless, trivial. the U.S.A., your mother, your children.. none have meaning unless it's put there by 'you'. > Fear! that is projection typically done by timorous and trepid tots are you in such dire straits? is desperation bothering you? try some Ovaltine. > Gone comfortable routine of having to confirm your existence EVERY > MOMENT of the day. there are neither 'moments' nor 'days. routines are routinely done by the fearful. is that what's bothering you? existence has no significance. throw off your willies.. they avail 'you' nothing. > Loss of identity, concepts, and our most favorite we like to hang on > to...illusions. there is no identity to hold onto. resistance is futile. neither grasping nor letting-go can help. embrace the hopelessness. take a good look and see what hope has done for you. nothing. > Oh those Turkeys which ones? the large gallinaceous birds with fan-shaped tails... widely domesticated for food? or.. the people who do something thoughtless or annoying? or.. the eurasian republic in asia minor and the balkans x 2? it really doesn't natter. All 'r One. ..b b.b. > > Happy Day of the Turkeys. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than > > CAUSE is > > > > a > > > > > > > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of the > > > > > > > other '1001' illusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are marks on paper, air molecules in motion when spoken. > > > > > > > > > > what causes 'you' to 'think' they are concepts? > > > > > > > > > > words are scribbles, lies about that to which they point. > > > > > > > > > > what causes you to assume what they point to? > > > > > > > > > > YOU ARE AT CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > > > > > it is not a concept. > > > > > > > > > > YOU CAUSE IT TO BE A CONCEPT. > > > > > > > > > > nothing is real until and only when YOU CAUSE IT TO BE REAL. > > > > > > > > > > if you move air molecules in a motion that is designating a > > word.. > > > > > > > > > > that is nothing but air molecules moving on about nothing. > > > > > > > > > > ONLY CAUSE EXISTS. > > > > > > > > > > you are at EFFECT in believing that saying words are concepts. > > > > > > > > > > they are nothing at all until YOU CAUSE THEM TO BE SOMETHING > > MORE. > > > > > > > > > > 'you' here of course is the universal designation for any 'i'. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > " the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > > > -Cause didn't invent cause, WE did. In our minds, in our > > > > dictionaries, and at school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all that is delusion and illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, cause doesn't have a live of its own. We bring it to > > life > > > > if we play games on forums like this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a joke. > > > > > > CAUSE is prior to, extant during, and will continue > > long 'after' 'we' > > > > > > or 'life' as you understand it. > > > > > > CAUSE is outside of time. > > > > > > Cause is Indifferent to your opinion or thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if cause is seen as an abstract or psychological 'thing' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not seen. > > > > > > CAUSE CAN'T be 'seen', 'thought' nor 'thought about'. > > > > > > you're writing shadows on the wall. > > > > > > of course that's just what can be expected of a phantom.. > > > > > > frightened by TRUTH. > > > > > > your beliefs are 'churchy'. > > > > > > they comfort you. > > > > > > that's ok. > > > > > > but not you, me, them, or all those thoughts amount to anything. > > > > > > they are not original nor significant. > > > > > > they are derivative and silly. > > > > > > only CAUSE IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presuppossing the concious mind it would still need to classify > > the > > > > event or entity with a name in order to memorize it, to > > understand > > > > it and finally trying to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit! > > > > > > WHO 'presupposes'? > > > > > > what 'presupposition'? > > > > > > 'memorizing', 'understanding', 'explaining'.. > > > > > > are 'games' of alarmed children, and useless tricks.. > > > > > > that deceive and comfort insignificant nonentities. > > > > > > even a more 'advanced' civilization than this barbaric planet.. > > > > > > would laugh at that statement. > > > > > > CAUSE doesn't entertain such foolishness. > > > > > > Cause is not part of your foolish game of thinking... > > > > > > notions that 'thought' is some sort of 'evolved and > > important 'thing'. > > > > > > are undeserved and foolishly conceited.. > > > > > > that can only be laughed at. > > > > > > it's sophomoric to believe that you have an 'answer'. > > > > > > CAUSE needs NO answers. > > > > > > IT IS. > > > > > > answers are needed only by the enslaved clowns of reason. > > > > > > reason is a game to give 'meaning. > > > > > > there is no meaning to THAT WHICH IS. > > > > > > IT just IS. > > > > > > without reasons, thought, understanding, condition etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (And that's where most of the > > > > trouble is found, trying to explain the unexplainable.) Alas a > > > > concept/illusion is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just exactly what you're up to here. > > > > > > an illusion believing an illusion. > > > > > > a joke. > > > > > > that's not trouble.. > > > > > > who could that be trouble for? > > > > > > alas and alack and all is vanity. > > > > > > 'trouble'? > > > > > > .........puleeze! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No witness, no cause, no nothing! No sound of falling trees in a > > > > forest without a witness, remember? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE IS the ONLY witness. > > > > > > the witnessed cannot witness. > > > > > > can 'you' get a witness? > > > > > > oh ho ho! > > > > > > any witnessing done by silly monkeys is wishful 'thinking'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is way too much causing a stir, I believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE remains unmoved by any of 'this'. > > > > > > CAUSE could not care less. > > > > > > CAUSE does NOT care at all. > > > > > > CAUSE is INDIFFERENT. > > > > > > nothing is stirring not even a mouse. > > > > > > > > > IT definitely CAUSED you to move to some action. > > > > > > that doesn't move 'me'. > > that is not significant. Here again. > > > > > How come? > > > > > you still haven't learned. > > there is no reason for anything. > > you are still afraid to realize that NOTHING has significance. > > the word FUCK is just 4 letters strung together. > > your thoughts, feelings, considerations 'et alia' are: > > unimportant, meaningless, trivial. > > the U.S.A., your mother, your children.. > > none have meaning unless it's put there by 'you'. With due respect; What is your motivation, your urge/need having to reply to every single post on this forum? What is holding you back from just being, nothing more, nothing less, sitting back smiling, living the cause of your life, instead of repeating the same OPINION on every message over and over again? Why are you so concerned over something that isn't there. > Fear! > > > > > that is projection typically done by timorous and trepid tots > > are you in such dire straits? > > is desperation bothering you? > > try some Ovaltine. Beautiful self-reflection Milo, Ovaltine, apparently you're looking for something better. Sorry have no suggestions. > > > > > Gone comfortable routine of having to confirm your existence EVERY > > MOMENT of the day. there are neither 'moments' nor 'days. Proof it!! > > routines are routinely done by the fearful. Once again, beautiful self-reflection. > > is that what's bothering you? > > existence has no significance. > > throw off your willies.. > > they avail 'you' nothing. > > > > > > Loss of identity, concepts, and our most favorite we like to hang on > > to...illusions. > > > > > there is no identity to hold onto. > > resistance is futile. > > neither grasping nor letting-go can help. > > embrace the hopelessness. > > take a good look and see what hope has done for you. > > nothing. Hope-and or-less-and or-ness may have given you some comfort, it certainly doesn't mean anything to me, for its relying a tat or two too much on the future. > > > > Oh those Turkeys > > > > which ones? > > the large gallinaceous birds with fan-shaped tails... > > widely domesticated for food? > > or.. > > the people who do something thoughtless or annoying? > > or.. > > the eurasian republic in asia minor and the balkans x 2? You chose. > > it really doesn't natter. > > All 'r One. Proof it!! No sorry, agree, all 's Dust. > > > .b b.b. > > Happy Day of the Turkeys. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than > > > CAUSE is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of > the > > > > > > > > other '1001' illusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are marks on paper, air molecules in motion when > spoken. > > > > > > > > > > > > what causes 'you' to 'think' they are concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > words are scribbles, lies about that to which they point. > > > > > > > > > > > > what causes you to assume what they point to? > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU ARE AT CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU CAUSE IT TO BE A CONCEPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is real until and only when YOU CAUSE IT TO BE > REAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you move air molecules in a motion that is designating > a > > > word.. > > > > > > > > > > > > that is nothing but air molecules moving on about nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > ONLY CAUSE EXISTS. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are at EFFECT in believing that saying words are > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > they are nothing at all until YOU CAUSE THEM TO BE > SOMETHING > > > MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'you' here of course is the universal designation for > any 'i'. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > " the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > > > > > -Cause didn't invent cause, WE did. In our minds, in our > > > > > dictionaries, and at school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all that is delusion and illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, cause doesn't have a live of its own. We bring it > to > > > life > > > > > if we play games on forums like this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a joke. > > > > > > > > CAUSE is prior to, extant during, and will continue > > > long 'after' 'we' > > > > > > > > or 'life' as you understand it. > > > > > > > > CAUSE is outside of time. > > > > > > > > Cause is Indifferent to your opinion or thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if cause is seen as an abstract or psychological 'thing' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not seen. > > > > > > > > CAUSE CAN'T be 'seen', 'thought' nor 'thought about'. > > > > > > > > you're writing shadows on the wall. > > > > > > > > of course that's just what can be expected of a phantom.. > > > > > > > > frightened by TRUTH. > > > > > > > > your beliefs are 'churchy'. > > > > > > > > they comfort you. > > > > > > > > that's ok. > > > > > > > > but not you, me, them, or all those thoughts amount to > anything. > > > > > > > > they are not original nor significant. > > > > > > > > they are derivative and silly. > > > > > > > > only CAUSE IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presuppossing the concious mind it would still need to > classify > > > the > > > > > event or entity with a name in order to memorize it, to > > > understand > > > > > it and finally trying to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit! > > > > > > > > WHO 'presupposes'? > > > > > > > > what 'presupposition'? > > > > > > > > 'memorizing', 'understanding', 'explaining'.. > > > > > > > > are 'games' of alarmed children, and useless tricks.. > > > > > > > > that deceive and comfort insignificant nonentities. > > > > > > > > even a more 'advanced' civilization than this barbaric planet.. > > > > > > > > would laugh at that statement. > > > > > > > > CAUSE doesn't entertain such foolishness. > > > > > > > > Cause is not part of your foolish game of thinking... > > > > > > > > notions that 'thought' is some sort of 'evolved and > > > important 'thing'. > > > > > > > > are undeserved and foolishly conceited.. > > > > > > > > that can only be laughed at. > > > > > > > > it's sophomoric to believe that you have an 'answer'. > > > > > > > > CAUSE needs NO answers. > > > > > > > > IT IS. > > > > > > > > answers are needed only by the enslaved clowns of reason. > > > > > > > > reason is a game to give 'meaning. > > > > > > > > there is no meaning to THAT WHICH IS. > > > > > > > > IT just IS. > > > > > > > > without reasons, thought, understanding, condition etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (And that's where most of the > > > > > trouble is found, trying to explain the unexplainable.) Alas > a > > > > > concept/illusion is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just exactly what you're up to here. > > > > > > > > an illusion believing an illusion. > > > > > > > > a joke. > > > > > > > > that's not trouble.. > > > > > > > > who could that be trouble for? > > > > > > > > alas and alack and all is vanity. > > > > > > > > 'trouble'? > > > > > > > > .........puleeze! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No witness, no cause, no nothing! No sound of falling trees > in a > > > > > forest without a witness, remember? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE IS the ONLY witness. > > > > > > > > the witnessed cannot witness. > > > > > > > > can 'you' get a witness? > > > > > > > > oh ho ho! > > > > > > > > any witnessing done by silly monkeys is wishful 'thinking'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is way too much causing a stir, I believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE remains unmoved by any of 'this'. > > > > > > > > CAUSE could not care less. > > > > > > > > CAUSE does NOT care at all. > > > > > > > > CAUSE is INDIFFERENT. > > > > > > > > nothing is stirring not even a mouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT definitely CAUSED you to move to some action. > > > > > > > > > > > > that doesn't move 'me'. > > > > that is not significant. > > > > Here again. again? oh skybie! there was never a before. how can there be an again? all is NOW child. > > > How come? > > > > > > > > > > you still haven't learned. > > > > there is no reason for anything. > > > > you are still afraid to realize that NOTHING has significance. > > > > the word FUCK is just 4 letters strung together. > > > > your thoughts, feelings, considerations 'et alia' are: > > > > unimportant, meaningless, trivial. > > > > the U.S.A., your mother, your children.. > > > > none have meaning unless it's put there by 'you'. > > > With due respect; > What is your motivation, your urge/need having to reply to every > single post on this forum? What is holding you back from just being, > nothing more, nothing less, sitting back smiling, living the cause > of your life, instead of repeating the same OPINION on every message > over and over again? > Why are you so concerned over something that isn't there. with absolutely no respect that that statement calls for sky guy.. your begging for the replies. this seems to be an incurable dis-ease of yours. i will of course continue to help... i always help the needy. > > > Fear! > > > > > > > > > > that is projection typically done by timorous and trepid tots > > > > are you in such dire straits? > > > > is desperation bothering you? > > > > try some Ovaltine. > > > Beautiful self-reflection > Milo, Ovaltine, apparently you're looking for something better. > Sorry have no suggestions. no intelligence either. very typical of the sky guy. LOL! > > > Gone comfortable routine of having to confirm your existence > EVERY > > > MOMENT of the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are neither 'moments' nor 'days. > > > Proof it!! i don't need to 'proof' anything. it's perfect the first time at all times. what are you trying to prove? that you can't spell? good job! > > routines are routinely done by the fearful. > > > Once again, beautiful self-reflection. you are so full of shit skyzie. are you lonesome? i can understand the CAUSE of that. and of course YOU are the cause and condition of your aloneness.. in isolation. you should get some fresh air in the ruins of the hood. > > is that what's bothering you? > > > > existence has no significance. > > > > throw off your willies.. > > > > they avail 'you' nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of identity, concepts, and our most favorite we like to > hang on > > > to...illusions. > > > > > > > > > > there is no identity to hold onto. > > > > resistance is futile. > > > > neither grasping nor letting-go can help. > > > > embrace the hopelessness. > > > > take a good look and see what hope has done for you. > > > > nothing. > > > Hope-and or-less-and or-ness may have given you some comfort, it > certainly doesn't mean anything to me, for its relying a tat or two > too much on the future. you protest too much amigo.. what you just said about hope and hopelessness.. was what was stated. can't you read.. or is comprehension the problem. or is projection..and even projecting you projections.. your dilemma? buck up peanut..suck it up. you can do that my little one. i'm cheering for you son. > > > Oh those Turkeys > > > > > > > > which ones? > > > > the large gallinaceous birds with fan-shaped tails... > > > > widely domesticated for food? > > > > or.. > > > > the people who do something thoughtless or annoying? > > > > or.. > > > > the eurasian republic in asia minor and the balkans x 2? > > > > You chose. that's 'choose' that you mean. but then you had no choice but to have used the past tense. that's where you are stuck. fishing for pictures in the past that you can think justify your error choice? there is no such animal. take a look at choice and tell me where you believe you have one. you have no choice. see here how you are sucked into MY game? it's beyond your power to have a choice in the matter. > > it really doesn't natter. > > > > All 'r One. > > Proof it!! No sorry, agree, all 's Dust. you DO have a hang up on the wrong use of the word 'proof'.. and i don't have to prove that.. you give the proof every time you try and write the word. OK dusty.. enough lessons for now. keep 'em coming though. the children's hour amuses me so much! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of life': > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, than > > > > CAUSE is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one of > > the > > > > > > > > > other '1001' illusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are marks on paper, air molecules in motion when > > spoken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what causes 'you' to 'think' they are concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are scribbles, lies about that to which they point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what causes you to assume what they point to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU ARE AT CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU CAUSE IT TO BE A CONCEPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is real until and only when YOU CAUSE IT TO BE > > REAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you move air molecules in a motion that is designating > > a > > > > word.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is nothing but air molecules moving on about nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ONLY CAUSE EXISTS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are at EFFECT in believing that saying words are > > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are nothing at all until YOU CAUSE THEM TO BE > > SOMETHING > > > > MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'you' here of course is the universal designation for > > any 'i'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Cause didn't invent cause, WE did. In our minds, in our > > > > > > dictionaries, and at school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all that is delusion and illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, cause doesn't have a live of its own. We bring it > > to > > > > life > > > > > > if we play games on forums like this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a joke. > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE is prior to, extant during, and will continue > > > > long 'after' 'we' > > > > > > > > > > or 'life' as you understand it. > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE is outside of time. > > > > > > > > > > Cause is Indifferent to your opinion or thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if cause is seen as an abstract or psychological 'thing' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not seen. > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE CAN'T be 'seen', 'thought' nor 'thought about'. > > > > > > > > > > you're writing shadows on the wall. > > > > > > > > > > of course that's just what can be expected of a phantom.. > > > > > > > > > > frightened by TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > your beliefs are 'churchy'. > > > > > > > > > > they comfort you. > > > > > > > > > > that's ok. > > > > > > > > > > but not you, me, them, or all those thoughts amount to > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > they are not original nor significant. > > > > > > > > > > they are derivative and silly. > > > > > > > > > > only CAUSE IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presuppossing the concious mind it would still need to > > classify > > > > the > > > > > > event or entity with a name in order to memorize it, to > > > > understand > > > > > > it and finally trying to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit! > > > > > > > > > > WHO 'presupposes'? > > > > > > > > > > what 'presupposition'? > > > > > > > > > > 'memorizing', 'understanding', 'explaining'.. > > > > > > > > > > are 'games' of alarmed children, and useless tricks.. > > > > > > > > > > that deceive and comfort insignificant nonentities. > > > > > > > > > > even a more 'advanced' civilization than this barbaric planet.. > > > > > > > > > > would laugh at that statement. > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE doesn't entertain such foolishness. > > > > > > > > > > Cause is not part of your foolish game of thinking... > > > > > > > > > > notions that 'thought' is some sort of 'evolved and > > > > important 'thing'. > > > > > > > > > > are undeserved and foolishly conceited.. > > > > > > > > > > that can only be laughed at. > > > > > > > > > > it's sophomoric to believe that you have an 'answer'. > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE needs NO answers. > > > > > > > > > > IT IS. > > > > > > > > > > answers are needed only by the enslaved clowns of reason. > > > > > > > > > > reason is a game to give 'meaning. > > > > > > > > > > there is no meaning to THAT WHICH IS. > > > > > > > > > > IT just IS. > > > > > > > > > > without reasons, thought, understanding, condition etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (And that's where most of the > > > > > > trouble is found, trying to explain the unexplainable.) Alas > > a > > > > > > concept/illusion is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just exactly what you're up to here. > > > > > > > > > > an illusion believing an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > a joke. > > > > > > > > > > that's not trouble.. > > > > > > > > > > who could that be trouble for? > > > > > > > > > > alas and alack and all is vanity. > > > > > > > > > > 'trouble'? > > > > > > > > > > .........puleeze! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No witness, no cause, no nothing! No sound of falling trees > > in a > > > > > > forest without a witness, remember? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE IS the ONLY witness. > > > > > > > > > > the witnessed cannot witness. > > > > > > > > > > can 'you' get a witness? > > > > > > > > > > oh ho ho! > > > > > > > > > > any witnessing done by silly monkeys is wishful 'thinking'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is way too much causing a stir, I believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE remains unmoved by any of 'this'. > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE could not care less. > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE does NOT care at all. > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE is INDIFFERENT. > > > > > > > > > > nothing is stirring not even a mouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT definitely CAUSED you to move to some action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that doesn't move 'me'. > > > > > > that is not significant. > > > > > > > > > > Here again. again? > > oh skybie! > > there was never a before. > > how can there be an again? > > all is NOW child. > > > > > > > > > > > How come? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you still haven't learned. > > > > > > there is no reason for anything. > > > > > > you are still afraid to realize that NOTHING has significance. > > > > > > the word FUCK is just 4 letters strung together. > > > > > > your thoughts, feelings, considerations 'et alia' are: > > > > > > unimportant, meaningless, trivial. > > > > > > the U.S.A., your mother, your children.. > > > > > > none have meaning unless it's put there by 'you'. > > > > > > > > With due respect; > > What is your motivation, your urge/need having to reply to every > > single post on this forum? What is holding you back from just being, > > nothing more, nothing less, sitting back smiling, living the cause > > of your life, instead of repeating the same OPINION on every message > > over and over again? > > Why are you so concerned over something that isn't there. > with absolutely no respect that that statement calls for sky guy.. > > your begging for the replies. > > this seems to be an incurable dis-ease of yours. > > i will of course continue to help... > > i always help the needy. > > > > > > > > Fear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is projection typically done by timorous and trepid tots > > > > > > are you in such dire straits? > > > > > > is desperation bothering you? > > > > > > try some Ovaltine. > > > > > > Beautiful self-reflection > > Milo, Ovaltine, apparently you're looking for something better. > > Sorry have no suggestions. > > > > no intelligence either. > > very typical of the sky guy. > > LOL! > > > Gone comfortable routine of having to confirm your existence > > EVERY > > > > MOMENT of the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are neither 'moments' nor 'days. > > > > > > > > > Proof it!! > > > i don't need to 'proof' anything. > > it's perfect the first time at all times. > > what are you trying to prove? > > that you can't spell? > > good job! > > > > > routines are routinely done by the fearful. > > > > > > > > > Once again, beautiful self-reflection. > > > > > > you are so full of shit skyzie. > > are you lonesome? > > i can understand the CAUSE of that. > > and of course YOU are the cause and condition of your aloneness.. > > in isolation. > > you should get some fresh air in the ruins of the hood. > > > > > > is that what's bothering you? > > > > > > existence has no significance. > > > > > > throw off your willies.. > > > > > > they avail 'you' nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of identity, concepts, and our most favorite we like to > > hang on > > > > to...illusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no identity to hold onto. > > > > > > resistance is futile. > > > > > > neither grasping nor letting-go can help. > > > > > > embrace the hopelessness. > > > > > > take a good look and see what hope has done for you. > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > Hope-and or-less-and or-ness may have given you some comfort, it > > certainly doesn't mean anything to me, for its relying a tat or two > > too much on the future. > > > > > > you protest too much amigo.. > > what you just said about hope and hopelessness.. > > was what was stated. > > can't you read.. > > or is comprehension the problem. > > or is projection..and even projecting you projections.. > > your dilemma? > > buck up peanut..suck it up. > > you can do that my little one. > > i'm cheering for you son. > > > Oh those Turkeys > > > > > > > > > > > > which ones? > > > > > > the large gallinaceous birds with fan-shaped tails... > > > > > > widely domesticated for food? > > > > > > or.. > > > > > > the people who do something thoughtless or annoying? > > > > > > or.. > > > > > > the eurasian republic in asia minor and the balkans x 2? > > > > > > > > You chose. that's 'choose' that you mean. > > but then you had no choice but to have used the past tense. > > that's where you are stuck. > > fishing for pictures in the past that you can think justify your error > > choice? > > there is no such animal. > > take a look at choice and tell me where you believe you have one. > > you have no choice. > > see here how you are sucked into MY game? > > it's beyond your power to have a choice in the matter. > > > > it really doesn't natter. > > > > > > All 'r One. > > > > Proof it!! No sorry, agree, all 's Dust. > > > > > you DO have a hang up on the wrong use of the word 'proof'.. > > and i don't have to prove that.. > > you give the proof every time you try and write the word. > > OK dusty.. > > enough lessons for now. > > keep 'em coming though. > > the children's hour amuses me so much! > > LOL! > > > .b b.b. > Whatever you say, its very comforting to know tho that the only traces of your existence of someone like you are found on this forum...mere scribbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask: 'why ask why ask why ask why that is'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why is an endless loop feeding on itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answer to all the whys in the 'world of > life': > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BE CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being at EFFECT of anything 'other'.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not being TRUE to CAUSE which THOU ARE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because CAUSE is all that IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree on that that words are concepts, > than > > > > > CAUSE is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > concept. And unfortunately than, cause is just one > of > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other '1001' illusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are marks on paper, air molecules in motion when > > > spoken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what causes 'you' to 'think' they are concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are scribbles, lies about that to which they > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what causes you to assume what they point to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU ARE AT CAUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU CAUSE IT TO BE A CONCEPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is real until and only when YOU CAUSE IT TO BE > > > REAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you move air molecules in a motion that is > designating > > > a > > > > > word.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is nothing but air molecules moving on about > nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ONLY CAUSE EXISTS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are at EFFECT in believing that saying words are > > > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are nothing at all until YOU CAUSE THEM TO BE > > > SOMETHING > > > > > MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'you' here of course is the universal designation for > > > any 'i'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the word 'cause' doesn't MEAN anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Cause didn't invent cause, WE did. In our minds, in our > > > > > > > dictionaries, and at school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all that is delusion and illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, cause doesn't have a live of its own. We > bring it > > > to > > > > > life > > > > > > > if we play games on forums like this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a joke. > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE is prior to, extant during, and will continue > > > > > long 'after' 'we' > > > > > > > > > > > > or 'life' as you understand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE is outside of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cause is Indifferent to your opinion or thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if cause is seen as an abstract or > psychological 'thing' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE CAN'T be 'seen', 'thought' nor 'thought about'. > > > > > > > > > > > > you're writing shadows on the wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > of course that's just what can be expected of a phantom.. > > > > > > > > > > > > frightened by TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > > > your beliefs are 'churchy'. > > > > > > > > > > > > they comfort you. > > > > > > > > > > > > that's ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > but not you, me, them, or all those thoughts amount to > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not original nor significant. > > > > > > > > > > > > they are derivative and silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > only CAUSE IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presuppossing the concious mind it would still need to > > > classify > > > > > the > > > > > > > event or entity with a name in order to memorize it, to > > > > > understand > > > > > > > it and finally trying to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit! > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO 'presupposes'? > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'presupposition'? > > > > > > > > > > > > 'memorizing', 'understanding', 'explaining'.. > > > > > > > > > > > > are 'games' of alarmed children, and useless tricks.. > > > > > > > > > > > > that deceive and comfort insignificant nonentities. > > > > > > > > > > > > even a more 'advanced' civilization than this barbaric > planet.. > > > > > > > > > > > > would laugh at that statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE doesn't entertain such foolishness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cause is not part of your foolish game of thinking... > > > > > > > > > > > > notions that 'thought' is some sort of 'evolved and > > > > > important 'thing'. > > > > > > > > > > > > are undeserved and foolishly conceited.. > > > > > > > > > > > > that can only be laughed at. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's sophomoric to believe that you have an 'answer'. > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE needs NO answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > IT IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > answers are needed only by the enslaved clowns of reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > reason is a game to give 'meaning. > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no meaning to THAT WHICH IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > IT just IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > without reasons, thought, understanding, condition etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (And that's where most of the > > > > > > > trouble is found, trying to explain the unexplainable.) > Alas > > > a > > > > > > > concept/illusion is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just exactly what you're up to here. > > > > > > > > > > > > an illusion believing an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > a joke. > > > > > > > > > > > > that's not trouble.. > > > > > > > > > > > > who could that be trouble for? > > > > > > > > > > > > alas and alack and all is vanity. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'trouble'? > > > > > > > > > > > > .........puleeze! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No witness, no cause, no nothing! No sound of falling > trees > > > in a > > > > > > > forest without a witness, remember? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE IS the ONLY witness. > > > > > > > > > > > > the witnessed cannot witness. > > > > > > > > > > > > can 'you' get a witness? > > > > > > > > > > > > oh ho ho! > > > > > > > > > > > > any witnessing done by silly monkeys is wishful 'thinking'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is way too much causing a stir, I believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE remains unmoved by any of 'this'. > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE could not care less. > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE does NOT care at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUSE is INDIFFERENT. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is stirring not even a mouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT definitely CAUSED you to move to some action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that doesn't move 'me'. > > > > > > > > that is not significant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again? > > > > oh skybie! > > > > there was never a before. > > > > how can there be an again? > > > > all is NOW child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you still haven't learned. > > > > > > > > there is no reason for anything. > > > > > > > > you are still afraid to realize that NOTHING has significance. > > > > > > > > the word FUCK is just 4 letters strung together. > > > > > > > > your thoughts, feelings, considerations 'et alia' are: > > > > > > > > unimportant, meaningless, trivial. > > > > > > > > the U.S.A., your mother, your children.. > > > > > > > > none have meaning unless it's put there by 'you'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect; > > > What is your motivation, your urge/need having to reply to every > > > single post on this forum? What is holding you back from just > being, > > > nothing more, nothing less, sitting back smiling, living the > cause > > > of your life, instead of repeating the same OPINION on every > message > > > over and over again? > > > Why are you so concerned over something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with absolutely no respect that that statement calls for sky guy.. > > > > your begging for the replies. > > > > this seems to be an incurable dis-ease of yours. > > > > i will of course continue to help... > > > > i always help the needy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is projection typically done by timorous and trepid tots > > > > > > > > are you in such dire straits? > > > > > > > > is desperation bothering you? > > > > > > > > try some Ovaltine. > > > > > > > > > Beautiful self-reflection > > > Milo, Ovaltine, apparently you're looking for something better. > > > Sorry have no suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no intelligence either. > > > > very typical of the sky guy. > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gone comfortable routine of having to confirm your existence > > > EVERY > > > > > MOMENT of the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are neither 'moments' nor 'days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proof it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't need to 'proof' anything. > > > > it's perfect the first time at all times. > > > > what are you trying to prove? > > > > that you can't spell? > > > > good job! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > routines are routinely done by the fearful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, beautiful self-reflection. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are so full of shit skyzie. > > > > are you lonesome? > > > > i can understand the CAUSE of that. > > > > and of course YOU are the cause and condition of your aloneness.. > > > > in isolation. > > > > you should get some fresh air in the ruins of the hood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is that what's bothering you? > > > > > > > > existence has no significance. > > > > > > > > throw off your willies.. > > > > > > > > they avail 'you' nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of identity, concepts, and our most favorite we like to > > > hang on > > > > > to...illusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no identity to hold onto. > > > > > > > > resistance is futile. > > > > > > > > neither grasping nor letting-go can help. > > > > > > > > embrace the hopelessness. > > > > > > > > take a good look and see what hope has done for you. > > > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > > > Hope-and or-less-and or-ness may have given you some comfort, it > > > certainly doesn't mean anything to me, for its relying a tat or > two > > > too much on the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > you protest too much amigo.. > > > > what you just said about hope and hopelessness.. > > > > was what was stated. > > > > can't you read.. > > > > or is comprehension the problem. > > > > or is projection..and even projecting you projections.. > > > > your dilemma? > > > > buck up peanut..suck it up. > > > > you can do that my little one. > > > > i'm cheering for you son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh those Turkeys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which ones? > > > > > > > > the large gallinaceous birds with fan-shaped tails... > > > > > > > > widely domesticated for food? > > > > > > > > or.. > > > > > > > > the people who do something thoughtless or annoying? > > > > > > > > or.. > > > > > > > > the eurasian republic in asia minor and the balkans x 2? > > > > > > > > > > > > You chose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'choose' that you mean. > > > > but then you had no choice but to have used the past tense. > > > > that's where you are stuck. > > > > fishing for pictures in the past that you can think justify your > error > > > > choice? > > > > there is no such animal. > > > > take a look at choice and tell me where you believe you have one. > > > > you have no choice. > > > > see here how you are sucked into MY game? > > > > it's beyond your power to have a choice in the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it really doesn't natter. > > > > > > > > All 'r One. > > > > > > Proof it!! No sorry, agree, all 's Dust. > > > > > > > > > > you DO have a hang up on the wrong use of the word 'proof'.. > > > > and i don't have to prove that.. > > > > you give the proof every time you try and write the word. > > > > OK dusty.. > > > > enough lessons for now. > > > > keep 'em coming though. > > > > the children's hour amuses me so much! > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > Whatever you say, its very comforting to know tho that the only > traces of your existence of someone like you are found on this > forum...mere scribbles. are you lonesome tonight girl? ha ha ha haaaaaaaa! " ...its very comforting to know tho that the only traces of your existence of someone like you are found on this forum. " ...oh my god! haaaaaaaaaaarggghhhhhhh! the only traces of my existence.... OF someone like me??????? what the fuck are you trying to say? did you spend a day trying to come up with something... and than THIS is the nonsensical shit you can come up with? oh sky...sober up.... or quit charli dreaming. she's not coming back and you will never be a poet or wit. everything is discomforting to you that is above your head.. and that means most adult conversation must piss you off. poor freeloader. try and get a life and stop crying in the corner swish~.. ~LOL! ~.b b.b. hooooooooooooooo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: GuruRatings , " adithya_comming " > > > Ramana taught 'Who am I'?..Why? > > because no-one can advise anybody > > else spiritually that's why. > > Ok. > > > > Ramana described Saguna Brahman > > as sat-cit-ananda, but he also said > > that they were 'qualities', indicating > > saguna not nirguna. > > I guess, with 'body'... saguna. > > Without 'body'... nirguna. > > > > > > My advice is to find your own way by > > asking the question and doing > > some meditation.....Tony O. > > > I have sincerely tried many times, > and, have received no answers. All > I hear when I meditate is... Silence! > > I have tried to made up some answers > using ego/mind and I have read some > answers in the books by Tolle, Ramana, > Hawkins, that's all I have for answers. > > That is why I ask and the question, I > guess, I am really asking is - 'What > guides your life?', and how did you > arrive at that 'principle? I ask that > thinking that maybe, I can consider > using that in my own life. > > > Gratefully, > ego Namaste, Well its a long story, starting with an interest in Vedanta, everything from Ramakrishna onwards,then a fraud pedophile criminal guru, and on the way I started reading 'Be as you are'..David Godman on Ramana. I had to read it several times to grasp it. It was then that I realised the answer was within and nobody could help me, anymore than they could do my dying for me. Meditation is supposed to be silent........that's good. It may take time to meditate properly, it took me years. I would suggest preparation, some deep relaxation exercises and background spiritual music or sounds.....even Bhajans will do. Then learn how to concentrate, on either the sounds or a japamala or even a candle. When you feel totally relaxed and concentrated, concentrate on the space between the nose and lip and observe the breath and eventually you will slip into meditation, if ideas keep coming up then keep bringing your mind back to the space until you can fix it there...Rome wasn't built in a day. Eventually you will forget about the concept 'God' for the universe is only karma and prana and that's it. Meditation like deep sleep takes you above the mundane...........regards Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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