Ramana.

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> > Adithya

 

> > Thanks for your comments. You say

you have experienced wakeful sleep many

times. Wouldn't this be a state that

comes and goes, since you don't always

experience it?

 

 

Yes. It comes and goes same way that the

'clear' sky comes and goes with the

coming and going of clouds.

 

 

> > I am trying to

understand the idea that Awareness is

ALWAYS present, even in deep sleep.

Perhaps it is something that can

only be inferred. I guess I was

looking for a deeper way to understand

this, a non-inferential way.

 

> > Mark

 

 

I have great respect and trust

for Ramana's statement that

the 'reality' of 'deep sleep'

can be verified in the 'deep sleep'

alone. Rest all is just speculation.

 

 

I doubt that when Ramana talked about

the 'deep sleep', he was only 'speculating'

about it. Perhaps, 'awake sleep' was

more a continuity for him than it

has been for me. Frankly, perhaps,

because of not being used to it, the

memory of 'awake sleep' has been kind

of disorienting for me, and, I haven't

wished for it to be an unbroken reality.

I would rather be [or just think that I am]

'unconscious' sometimes, than be always

aware even in 'sleep'. I find that prospect

frightening for some reason. Maybe, because,

it means end of all 'hopes'! When in mental

pain and agony, I have always 'assumed',

'imagined' and 'hoped' that 'sleep'

and 'death' is end of 'all of this' - but,

what if it wasn't? By being 'awake' all

the time will break that 'hope' - and, I

don't think I am yet, ready for it! I would

rather 'dream' that the death is the 'end'.

 

 

For that reason, I find the experience of

'awake sleep' once in a while, fine, " cool "

And 'enlightening'; but, I find the possibility

of its unbroken continuity rather frightening.

But, then, Ramana was a very different kind

of person and his 'priorities' were far different

and his 'dedication' Far More Real. He left his

home, he didn't form a man-woman relationship,

he felt no need to run after women, money,

power or fame, he lead a life of ascetic...

I am so different in so many ways.

Death and life, pleasure and pain were

far more equal to him than it is to me.

 

 

Q: If Self is Always Present, why don't I realize in

my sleep?

 

Ramana: Ask that question in your sleep!

 

(Paraphrasing based on my recollection)

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <>

>>

! When in mental

> pain and agony, I have always 'assumed',

> 'imagined' and 'hoped' that 'sleep'

> and 'death' is end of 'all of this' - but,

> what if it wasn't? By being 'awake' all

> the time will break that 'hope' - and, I

> don't think I am yet, ready for it! I would

> rather 'dream' that the death is the 'end'.

>

>

>When you are deeply asleep the sensory energy is withdrawn into the

spine.You can't feel physical pain in that state.You can't even feel

mental pain in that state. No thoughts. Z