Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote: > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the in- > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous life is > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > any " control " from that person. > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is aware > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after- > death " , the bardo. when nothing has ever been...how can it die? did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'? 'before birth'? i don't think so. but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t). not that that means anything. she's dead you know. bardot in the bardo so to speak. ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 If you have, like Ramana and Nisargadatta, " killed " the ego and are constantly in Awareness, then you are right. But I don't think there are that many " Ramana " around. Thus, once this body dies, you are still in ignorance, and still in illusion and like a leaf blown in the wind. Knowing intellectually isn't BEING I AM. At the core, we are ALL the nature of the Buddha, I AM. Then are we all awaked to I AM because we read about it? If not then, in the bardo, you are still under the wheel of karma. Buddha spooke about this and I can't remember Ramana and Nisargadatta elaborate about this. Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@> wrote: > > > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the in- > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous life is > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > > any " control " from that person. > > > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is aware > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after- > > death " , the bardo. > > > > > > when nothing has ever been...how can it die? > > did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'? > > 'before birth'? > > i don't think so. > > but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t). > > not that that means anything. > > she's dead you know. > > bardot in the bardo so to speak. > > .b bobji baba > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote: > > If you have, like Ramana and Nisargadatta, " killed " the ego and are > constantly in Awareness, then you are right. But I don't think there > are that many " Ramana " around. Thus, once this body dies, you are > still in ignorance, and still in illusion and like a leaf blown in > the wind. > > Knowing intellectually isn't BEING I AM. > > At the core, we are ALL the nature of the Buddha, I AM. Then are we > all awaked to I AM because we read about it? > > If not then, in the bardo, you are still under the wheel of karma. > > Buddha spooke about this and I can't remember Ramana and Nisargadatta > elaborate about this. there was no need to talk about the nonexistent. there is no 'ego'. that's just misplaced and disjointed dreaming conceit. 'we' are nothing.. from the beginning. nothing does not 'become' something. an illusory 'point-of-view'(ego) is conceptual deception. yet there is no one to be deceived.. no one to be born... no one to die... no before during nor after. no one who 'reads'... no one which 'knows' intellectually... that's all nonsense. only 'THAT'.........'IS'. and even saying that about 'THAT' is a lie. there is no core...nor outer place. no where to run...nowhere to hide. fear not for 'THAT AM' is: with you... through you...in you...timelessly. without place or space. and it IS without meaning. meaning is a sucker's refuge. do not look for meaning. THAT which IS...is without reason, explanation, necessity. UNCAUSED CAUSE.. and 'YOU' and ALL things, notions, beliefs..etc.... are THAT. this is the INNER DARKNESS that DAZZLES. all comment (including this) is but the weeping and gnashing of teeth. in the OUTER DARKNESS that is yet not two with THAT DAZZLING DARKNESS. AWAKEN! after all it's a Holiday. ..b b.b. ********************************NNB*********************************** > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@> > wrote: > > > > > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the > in- > > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous > life is > > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > > > any " control " from that person. > > > > > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is > aware > > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > > > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > > > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about > the " after- > > > death " , the bardo. > > > > > > > > > > > > when nothing has ever been...how can it die? > > > > did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'? > > > > 'before birth'? > > > > i don't think so. > > > > but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t). > > > > not that that means anything. > > > > she's dead you know. > > > > bardot in the bardo so to speak. > > > > .b bobji baba > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote: > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the in- > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous life is > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > any " control " from that person. > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is aware > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after- > death " , the bardo. > I don't know if they ever said anything about the afterdeath state but I will bet if they did it went something like this: " Why do you fret about that jive? You will never be anyplace but here and now. Check that out. " Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Then my friend you are presently a Buddha, a Jesus... I agree with everything you wrote. But that is not my question. Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@> wrote: > > > > If you have, like Ramana and Nisargadatta, " killed " the ego and are > > constantly in Awareness, then you are right. But I don't think there > > are that many " Ramana " around. Thus, once this body dies, you are > > still in ignorance, and still in illusion and like a leaf blown in > > the wind. > > > > Knowing intellectually isn't BEING I AM. > > > > At the core, we are ALL the nature of the Buddha, I AM. Then are we > > all awaked to I AM because we read about it? > > > > If not then, in the bardo, you are still under the wheel of karma. > > > > Buddha spooke about this and I can't remember Ramana and Nisargadatta > > elaborate about this. > there was no need to talk about the nonexistent. > > there is no 'ego'. > > that's just misplaced and disjointed dreaming conceit. > > 'we' are nothing.. > > from the beginning. > > nothing does not 'become' something. > > an illusory 'point-of-view'(ego) is conceptual deception. > > yet there is no one to be deceived.. > > no one to be born... > > no one to die... > > no before during nor after. > > no one who 'reads'... > > no one which 'knows' intellectually... > > that's all nonsense. > > only 'THAT'.........'IS'. > > and even saying that about 'THAT' is a lie. > > there is no core...nor outer place. > > no where to run...nowhere to hide. > > fear not for 'THAT AM' is: > > with you... through you...in you...timelessly. > > without place or space. > > and it IS without meaning. > > meaning is a sucker's refuge. > > do not look for meaning. > > THAT which IS...is without reason, explanation, necessity. > > UNCAUSED CAUSE.. > > and 'YOU' and ALL things, notions, beliefs..etc.... > > are THAT. > > this is the INNER DARKNESS that DAZZLES. > > all comment (including this) is but the weeping and gnashing of teeth. > > in the OUTER DARKNESS that is yet not two with THAT DAZZLING DARKNESS. > > AWAKEN! > > after all it's a Holiday. > > > .b b.b. > > > ********************************NNB*********************************** > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the > > in- > > > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous > > life is > > > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > > > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > > > > any " control " from that person. > > > > > > > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is > > aware > > > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > > > > > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > > > > > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about > > the " after- > > > > death " , the bardo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when nothing has ever been...how can it die? > > > > > > did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'? > > > > > > 'before birth'? > > > > > > i don't think so. > > > > > > but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t). > > > > > > not that that means anything. > > > > > > she's dead you know. > > > > > > bardot in the bardo so to speak. > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote: > > Then my friend you are presently a Buddha, a Jesus... > > I agree with everything you wrote. But that is not my question. good. because where there is no need of answers.. there is no need of a question. just like all answers.. let that question be blowin' in the wind. let it be. ..b b.b. ********************************NNB*********************************** > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@> > wrote: > > > > > > If you have, like Ramana and Nisargadatta, " killed " the ego and > are > > > constantly in Awareness, then you are right. But I don't think > there > > > are that many " Ramana " around. Thus, once this body dies, you are > > > still in ignorance, and still in illusion and like a leaf blown > in > > > the wind. > > > > > > Knowing intellectually isn't BEING I AM. > > > > > > At the core, we are ALL the nature of the Buddha, I AM. Then are > we > > > all awaked to I AM because we read about it? > > > > > > If not then, in the bardo, you are still under the wheel of karma. > > > > > > Buddha spooke about this and I can't remember Ramana and > Nisargadatta > > > elaborate about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there was no need to talk about the nonexistent. > > > > there is no 'ego'. > > > > that's just misplaced and disjointed dreaming conceit. > > > > 'we' are nothing.. > > > > from the beginning. > > > > nothing does not 'become' something. > > > > an illusory 'point-of-view'(ego) is conceptual deception. > > > > yet there is no one to be deceived.. > > > > no one to be born... > > > > no one to die... > > > > no before during nor after. > > > > no one who 'reads'... > > > > no one which 'knows' intellectually... > > > > that's all nonsense. > > > > only 'THAT'.........'IS'. > > > > and even saying that about 'THAT' is a lie. > > > > there is no core...nor outer place. > > > > no where to run...nowhere to hide. > > > > fear not for 'THAT AM' is: > > > > with you... through you...in you...timelessly. > > > > without place or space. > > > > and it IS without meaning. > > > > meaning is a sucker's refuge. > > > > do not look for meaning. > > > > THAT which IS...is without reason, explanation, necessity. > > > > UNCAUSED CAUSE.. > > > > and 'YOU' and ALL things, notions, beliefs..etc.... > > > > are THAT. > > > > this is the INNER DARKNESS that DAZZLES. > > > > all comment (including this) is but the weeping and gnashing of > teeth. > > > > in the OUTER DARKNESS that is yet not two with THAT DAZZLING > DARKNESS. > > > > AWAKEN! > > > > after all it's a Holiday. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > ********************************NNB*********************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or > the > > > in- > > > > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his > previous > > > life is > > > > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then > the > > > > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > > > > > any " control " from that person. > > > > > > > > > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one > is > > > aware > > > > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > > > > > > > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about > > > the " after- > > > > > death " , the bardo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when nothing has ever been...how can it die? > > > > > > > > did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'? > > > > > > > > 'before birth'? > > > > > > > > i don't think so. > > > > > > > > but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t). > > > > > > > > not that that means anything. > > > > > > > > she's dead you know. > > > > > > > > bardot in the bardo so to speak. > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Right! But neither fretting about life will get you anywhere. There's nowhere to go, nothing to attain. The eye cannot see itself. Maybe you are never in duality, and you see through the illusion. Then you are another Jean Klein, Ramana...etc. Buddha talked a lot about the afterdeath state, the six realms. The point I'm asking about, is that when you have not realized your true Being, you are still involved in illusion, in duality. Even if you have a perfect knowledge about being I AM. Knowledge isn't realization. One can talk for years about what he is, I AM, and still be engrossed in duality. If that's the case, then death is like awakening from a dream. And you forget very rapidly what you dreamth about. Thus in that case you wouldn't even remember being I AM in the bardo, death. Now, I fully understand that we are all the Ultimate I AM, problem is there are not that many of us fully realized, awakened, illuminated. The Tibetan book of the Dead goes in depth in this, and it is based on the teaching of Buddha. I'm just asking if Ramana, Nisargadatta did the same. Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@> wrote: > > > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the in- > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous life is > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > > any " control " from that person. > > > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is aware > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after- > > death " , the bardo. > > > > I don't know if they ever said anything about the afterdeath state but > I will bet if they did it went something like this: " Why do you fret > about that jive? You will never be anyplace but here and now. Check > that out. " Z > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote: > > Right! But neither fretting about life will get you anywhere. There's > nowhere to go, nothing to attain. The eye cannot see itself. > > Maybe you are never in duality, and you see through the illusion. > Then you are another Jean Klein, Ramana...etc. > > Buddha talked a lot about the afterdeath state, the six realms. The > point I'm asking about, is that when you have not realized your true > Being, you are still involved in illusion, in duality. Even if you > have a perfect knowledge about being I AM. Knowledge isn't > realization. One can talk for years about what he is, I AM, and still > be engrossed in duality. > > If that's the case, then death is like awakening from a dream. And > you forget very rapidly what you dreamth about. Thus in that case you > wouldn't even remember being I AM in the bardo, death. > > Now, I fully understand that we are all the Ultimate I AM, problem is > there are not that many of us fully realized, awakened, illuminated. > > The Tibetan book of the Dead goes in depth in this, and it is based > on the teaching of Buddha. I'm just asking if Ramana, Nisargadatta > did the same. if i may interject... if in a world there is even one unrealized...none are Realized. if even one is in chains...not one is free. pick up your pallet and follow 'Me'(no-self) the Way, Truth. Life. it's no-man's'land. whereby and wherein ALL are Free, Easy, and Awake. just like one-two-three. in CLARITY there is no one who is not 'THERE'. it is CAPACITY that contains all 'things' but is contained by none. just so. ..b b.b. ******************************nnb************************************* > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@> > wrote: > > > > > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the > in- > > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous > life is > > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > > > any " control " from that person. > > > > > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is > aware > > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > > > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > > > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about > the " after- > > > death " , the bardo. > > > > > > > I don't know if they ever said anything about the afterdeath state > but > > I will bet if they did it went something like this: " Why do you fret > > about that jive? You will never be anyplace but here and now. Check > > that out. " Z > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 i remember once Osho talked about the desire to be reborn and acquire a body and how when it becomes so intense, it looks for a couple making the love act and insinuates itself to enter in order to be reborn. v h Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote: > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the in- > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous life is > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > any " control " from that person. > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is aware > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after- > death " , the bardo. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote: > > i remember once Osho talked about the desire to be reborn and acquire > > a body and how when it becomes so intense, it looks for a couple > > making the love act and insinuates itself to enter in order to be > > reborn. > > v h LOL! that's fucking interesting. literally. ..b b.b. > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@> > wrote: > > > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the > in- > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous > life is > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > > any " control " from that person. > > > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is > aware > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after- > > death " , the bardo. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 lolroberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: Nisargadatta , "Virgil" <v.halbred wrote:>> i remember once Osho talked about the desire to be reborn and acquire> > a body and how when it becomes so intense, it looks for a couple > > making the love act and insinuates itself to enter in order to be > > reborn.> > v hLOL!that's fucking interesting.literally..b b.b.> Nisargadatta , "inneriself" <gerdeslan@> > wrote:> >> > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the "bardo" or the > in-> > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous > life is> > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the> > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without> > any "control" from that person.> > > > If one has "awakened" to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is > aware> > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.> > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.> > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the "after-> > death", the bardo.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 This topic is not in tune with the teachings of Maharaj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote: > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the in- > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous life is > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without > any " control " from that person. > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is aware > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma. > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind. > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after- > death " , the bardo. it's only possible to talk about such subject..... when there are imaginary people listening....who are already/still death.......without knowing about Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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