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Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote:

>

> In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the in-

> between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous life is

> also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the

> preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> any " control " from that person.

>

> If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is aware

> in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

>

> Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

>

> Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after-

> death " , the bardo.

 

 

 

 

 

when nothing has ever been...how can it die?

 

did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'?

 

'before birth'?

 

i don't think so.

 

but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t).

 

not that that means anything.

 

she's dead you know.

 

bardot in the bardo so to speak.

 

..b bobji baba

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If you have, like Ramana and Nisargadatta, " killed " the ego and are

constantly in Awareness, then you are right. But I don't think there

are that many " Ramana " around. Thus, once this body dies, you are

still in ignorance, and still in illusion and like a leaf blown in

the wind.

 

Knowing intellectually isn't BEING I AM.

 

At the core, we are ALL the nature of the Buddha, I AM. Then are we

all awaked to I AM because we read about it?

 

If not then, in the bardo, you are still under the wheel of karma.

 

Buddha spooke about this and I can't remember Ramana and Nisargadatta

elaborate about this.

 

 

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@>

wrote:

> >

> > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the

in-

> > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous

life is

> > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the

> > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> > any " control " from that person.

> >

> > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is

aware

> > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

> >

> > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

> >

> > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about

the " after-

> > death " , the bardo.

>

>

>

>

>

> when nothing has ever been...how can it die?

>

> did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'?

>

> 'before birth'?

>

> i don't think so.

>

> but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t).

>

> not that that means anything.

>

> she's dead you know.

>

> bardot in the bardo so to speak.

>

> .b bobji baba

>

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Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote:

>

> If you have, like Ramana and Nisargadatta, " killed " the ego and are

> constantly in Awareness, then you are right. But I don't think there

> are that many " Ramana " around. Thus, once this body dies, you are

> still in ignorance, and still in illusion and like a leaf blown in

> the wind.

>

> Knowing intellectually isn't BEING I AM.

>

> At the core, we are ALL the nature of the Buddha, I AM. Then are we

> all awaked to I AM because we read about it?

>

> If not then, in the bardo, you are still under the wheel of karma.

>

> Buddha spooke about this and I can't remember Ramana and Nisargadatta

> elaborate about this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there was no need to talk about the nonexistent.

 

there is no 'ego'.

 

that's just misplaced and disjointed dreaming conceit.

 

'we' are nothing..

 

from the beginning.

 

nothing does not 'become' something.

 

an illusory 'point-of-view'(ego) is conceptual deception.

 

yet there is no one to be deceived..

 

no one to be born...

 

no one to die...

 

no before during nor after.

 

no one who 'reads'...

 

no one which 'knows' intellectually...

 

that's all nonsense.

 

only 'THAT'.........'IS'.

 

and even saying that about 'THAT' is a lie.

 

there is no core...nor outer place.

 

no where to run...nowhere to hide.

 

fear not for 'THAT AM' is:

 

with you... through you...in you...timelessly.

 

without place or space.

 

and it IS without meaning.

 

meaning is a sucker's refuge.

 

do not look for meaning.

 

THAT which IS...is without reason, explanation, necessity.

 

UNCAUSED CAUSE..

 

and 'YOU' and ALL things, notions, beliefs..etc....

 

are THAT.

 

this is the INNER DARKNESS that DAZZLES.

 

all comment (including this) is but the weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

in the OUTER DARKNESS that is yet not two with THAT DAZZLING DARKNESS.

 

AWAKEN!

 

after all it's a Holiday.

 

 

..b b.b.

 

 

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the

> in-

> > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous

> life is

> > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the

> > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> > > any " control " from that person.

> > >

> > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is

> aware

> > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

> > >

> > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

> > >

> > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about

> the " after-

> > > death " , the bardo.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > when nothing has ever been...how can it die?

> >

> > did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'?

> >

> > 'before birth'?

> >

> > i don't think so.

> >

> > but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t).

> >

> > not that that means anything.

> >

> > she's dead you know.

> >

> > bardot in the bardo so to speak.

> >

> > .b bobji baba

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote:

>

> In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the in-

> between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous life is

> also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the

> preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> any " control " from that person.

>

> If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is aware

> in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

>

> Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

>

> Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after-

> death " , the bardo.

>

 

I don't know if they ever said anything about the afterdeath state but

I will bet if they did it went something like this: " Why do you fret

about that jive? You will never be anyplace but here and now. Check

that out. " Z

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Then my friend you are presently a Buddha, a Jesus...

 

I agree with everything you wrote. But that is not my question.

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@>

wrote:

> >

> > If you have, like Ramana and Nisargadatta, " killed " the ego and

are

> > constantly in Awareness, then you are right. But I don't think

there

> > are that many " Ramana " around. Thus, once this body dies, you are

> > still in ignorance, and still in illusion and like a leaf blown

in

> > the wind.

> >

> > Knowing intellectually isn't BEING I AM.

> >

> > At the core, we are ALL the nature of the Buddha, I AM. Then are

we

> > all awaked to I AM because we read about it?

> >

> > If not then, in the bardo, you are still under the wheel of karma.

> >

> > Buddha spooke about this and I can't remember Ramana and

Nisargadatta

> > elaborate about this.

>

there was no need to talk about the nonexistent.

>

> there is no 'ego'.

>

> that's just misplaced and disjointed dreaming conceit.

>

> 'we' are nothing..

>

> from the beginning.

>

> nothing does not 'become' something.

>

> an illusory 'point-of-view'(ego) is conceptual deception.

>

> yet there is no one to be deceived..

>

> no one to be born...

>

> no one to die...

>

> no before during nor after.

>

> no one who 'reads'...

>

> no one which 'knows' intellectually...

>

> that's all nonsense.

>

> only 'THAT'.........'IS'.

>

> and even saying that about 'THAT' is a lie.

>

> there is no core...nor outer place.

>

> no where to run...nowhere to hide.

>

> fear not for 'THAT AM' is:

>

> with you... through you...in you...timelessly.

>

> without place or space.

>

> and it IS without meaning.

>

> meaning is a sucker's refuge.

>

> do not look for meaning.

>

> THAT which IS...is without reason, explanation, necessity.

>

> UNCAUSED CAUSE..

>

> and 'YOU' and ALL things, notions, beliefs..etc....

>

> are THAT.

>

> this is the INNER DARKNESS that DAZZLES.

>

> all comment (including this) is but the weeping and gnashing of

teeth.

>

> in the OUTER DARKNESS that is yet not two with THAT DAZZLING

DARKNESS.

>

> AWAKEN!

>

> after all it's a Holiday.

>

>

> .b b.b.

>

>

>

********************************NNB***********************************

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or

the

> > in-

> > > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his

previous

> > life is

> > > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then

the

> > > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> > > > any " control " from that person.

> > > >

> > > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one

is

> > aware

> > > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

> > > >

> > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

> > > >

> > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about

> > the " after-

> > > > death " , the bardo.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > when nothing has ever been...how can it die?

> > >

> > > did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'?

> > >

> > > 'before birth'?

> > >

> > > i don't think so.

> > >

> > > but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t).

> > >

> > > not that that means anything.

> > >

> > > she's dead you know.

> > >

> > > bardot in the bardo so to speak.

> > >

> > > .b bobji baba

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote:

>

> Then my friend you are presently a Buddha, a Jesus...

>

> I agree with everything you wrote. But that is not my question.

 

 

 

good.

 

because where there is no need of answers..

 

there is no need of a question.

 

just like all answers..

 

let that question be blowin' in the wind.

 

let it be.

 

 

..b b.b.

 

 

 

 

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > If you have, like Ramana and Nisargadatta, " killed " the ego and

> are

> > > constantly in Awareness, then you are right. But I don't think

> there

> > > are that many " Ramana " around. Thus, once this body dies, you are

> > > still in ignorance, and still in illusion and like a leaf blown

> in

> > > the wind.

> > >

> > > Knowing intellectually isn't BEING I AM.

> > >

> > > At the core, we are ALL the nature of the Buddha, I AM. Then are

> we

> > > all awaked to I AM because we read about it?

> > >

> > > If not then, in the bardo, you are still under the wheel of karma.

> > >

> > > Buddha spooke about this and I can't remember Ramana and

> Nisargadatta

> > > elaborate about this.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > there was no need to talk about the nonexistent.

> >

> > there is no 'ego'.

> >

> > that's just misplaced and disjointed dreaming conceit.

> >

> > 'we' are nothing..

> >

> > from the beginning.

> >

> > nothing does not 'become' something.

> >

> > an illusory 'point-of-view'(ego) is conceptual deception.

> >

> > yet there is no one to be deceived..

> >

> > no one to be born...

> >

> > no one to die...

> >

> > no before during nor after.

> >

> > no one who 'reads'...

> >

> > no one which 'knows' intellectually...

> >

> > that's all nonsense.

> >

> > only 'THAT'.........'IS'.

> >

> > and even saying that about 'THAT' is a lie.

> >

> > there is no core...nor outer place.

> >

> > no where to run...nowhere to hide.

> >

> > fear not for 'THAT AM' is:

> >

> > with you... through you...in you...timelessly.

> >

> > without place or space.

> >

> > and it IS without meaning.

> >

> > meaning is a sucker's refuge.

> >

> > do not look for meaning.

> >

> > THAT which IS...is without reason, explanation, necessity.

> >

> > UNCAUSED CAUSE..

> >

> > and 'YOU' and ALL things, notions, beliefs..etc....

> >

> > are THAT.

> >

> > this is the INNER DARKNESS that DAZZLES.

> >

> > all comment (including this) is but the weeping and gnashing of

> teeth.

> >

> > in the OUTER DARKNESS that is yet not two with THAT DAZZLING

> DARKNESS.

> >

> > AWAKEN!

> >

> > after all it's a Holiday.

> >

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> >

> >

> ********************************NNB***********************************

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or

> the

> > > in-

> > > > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his

> previous

> > > life is

> > > > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then

> the

> > > > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> > > > > any " control " from that person.

> > > > >

> > > > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one

> is

> > > aware

> > > > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about

> > > the " after-

> > > > > death " , the bardo.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > when nothing has ever been...how can it die?

> > > >

> > > > did niz and ram talk about 'after' 'death'?

> > > >

> > > > 'before birth'?

> > > >

> > > > i don't think so.

> > > >

> > > > but it's rumored 'they' were fans of bridgette bardo(t).

> > > >

> > > > not that that means anything.

> > > >

> > > > she's dead you know.

> > > >

> > > > bardot in the bardo so to speak.

> > > >

> > > > .b bobji baba

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Right! But neither fretting about life will get you anywhere. There's

nowhere to go, nothing to attain. The eye cannot see itself.

 

Maybe you are never in duality, and you see through the illusion.

Then you are another Jean Klein, Ramana...etc.

 

Buddha talked a lot about the afterdeath state, the six realms. The

point I'm asking about, is that when you have not realized your true

Being, you are still involved in illusion, in duality. Even if you

have a perfect knowledge about being I AM. Knowledge isn't

realization. One can talk for years about what he is, I AM, and still

be engrossed in duality.

 

If that's the case, then death is like awakening from a dream. And

you forget very rapidly what you dreamth about. Thus in that case you

wouldn't even remember being I AM in the bardo, death.

 

Now, I fully understand that we are all the Ultimate I AM, problem is

there are not that many of us fully realized, awakened, illuminated.

 

The Tibetan book of the Dead goes in depth in this, and it is based

on the teaching of Buddha. I'm just asking if Ramana, Nisargadatta

did the same.

 

 

Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@>

wrote:

> >

> > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the

in-

> > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous

life is

> > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the

> > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> > any " control " from that person.

> >

> > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is

aware

> > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

> >

> > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

> >

> > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about

the " after-

> > death " , the bardo.

> >

>

> I don't know if they ever said anything about the afterdeath state

but

> I will bet if they did it went something like this: " Why do you fret

> about that jive? You will never be anyplace but here and now. Check

> that out. " Z

>

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Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote:

>

> Right! But neither fretting about life will get you anywhere. There's

> nowhere to go, nothing to attain. The eye cannot see itself.

>

> Maybe you are never in duality, and you see through the illusion.

> Then you are another Jean Klein, Ramana...etc.

>

> Buddha talked a lot about the afterdeath state, the six realms. The

> point I'm asking about, is that when you have not realized your true

> Being, you are still involved in illusion, in duality. Even if you

> have a perfect knowledge about being I AM. Knowledge isn't

> realization. One can talk for years about what he is, I AM, and still

> be engrossed in duality.

>

> If that's the case, then death is like awakening from a dream. And

> you forget very rapidly what you dreamth about. Thus in that case you

> wouldn't even remember being I AM in the bardo, death.

>

> Now, I fully understand that we are all the Ultimate I AM, problem is

> there are not that many of us fully realized, awakened, illuminated.

>

> The Tibetan book of the Dead goes in depth in this, and it is based

> on the teaching of Buddha. I'm just asking if Ramana, Nisargadatta

> did the same.

 

 

if i may interject...

 

if in a world there is even one unrealized...none are Realized.

 

if even one is in chains...not one is free.

 

pick up your pallet and follow 'Me'(no-self)

 

the Way, Truth. Life.

 

it's no-man's'land.

 

whereby and wherein ALL are Free, Easy, and Awake.

 

just like one-two-three.

 

in CLARITY there is no one who is not 'THERE'.

 

it is CAPACITY that contains all 'things' but is contained by none.

 

just so.

 

..b b.b.

 

 

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> Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the

> in-

> > > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous

> life is

> > > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the

> > > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> > > any " control " from that person.

> > >

> > > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is

> aware

> > > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

> > >

> > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

> > >

> > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about

> the " after-

> > > death " , the bardo.

> > >

> >

> > I don't know if they ever said anything about the afterdeath state

> but

> > I will bet if they did it went something like this: " Why do you fret

> > about that jive? You will never be anyplace but here and now. Check

> > that out. " Z

> >

>

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i remember once Osho talked about the desire to be reborn and acquire

 

a body and how when it becomes so intense, it looks for a couple

 

making the love act and insinuates itself to enter in order to be

 

reborn.

 

v h

 

 

Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan

wrote:

>

> In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the

in-

> between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous

life is

> also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the

> preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> any " control " from that person.

>

> If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is

aware

> in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

>

> Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

>

> Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after-

> death " , the bardo.

>

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Nisargadatta , " Virgil " <v.halbred wrote:

>

> i remember once Osho talked about the desire to be reborn and acquire

>

> a body and how when it becomes so intense, it looks for a couple

>

> making the love act and insinuates itself to enter in order to be

>

> reborn.

>

> v h

 

 

 

 

 

LOL!

 

that's fucking interesting.

 

literally.

 

..b b.b.

 

 

 

 

> Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan@>

> wrote:

> >

> > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the

> in-

> > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous

> life is

> > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the

> > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> > any " control " from that person.

> >

> > If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is

> aware

> > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

> >

> > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

> >

> > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after-

> > death " , the bardo.

> >

>

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lolroberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: Nisargadatta , "Virgil" <v.halbred wrote:>> i remember once Osho talked about the desire to be reborn and acquire> > a body and how when it becomes so intense, it looks for a couple > > making the love act and insinuates itself to enter in order to be > > reborn.> > v hLOL!that's fucking

interesting.literally..b b.b.> Nisargadatta , "inneriself" <gerdeslan@> > wrote:> >> > In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the "bardo" or the > in-> > between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous > life is> > also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the> > preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without> > any "control" from that person.> > > > If one has "awakened" to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is > aware> > in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.> > > > Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.> > > > Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the "after-> > death", the bardo.>

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Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <gerdeslan wrote:

>

> In Tibetan Buddhist, when one dies, he enters the " bardo " or the in-

> between state before reincarnating. The memory of his previous life is

> also forgotten, similar to the awakening from a dream. Then the

> preparation for the next reincarnation is under way, without

> any " control " from that person.

>

> If one has " awakened " to I AM, the disolving of the ego, one is aware

> in the bardo, and out of the weel of Karma.

>

> Otherwise one is like a leaf blown by the wind.

>

> Did Ramana or Nisargadatta speak more extensively about the " after-

> death " , the bardo.

 

 

it's only possible to talk about such subject.....

 

when there are imaginary people listening....who are already/still

death.......without knowing about

 

 

Marc

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