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I have been watching this list for some time now...

and most postings are done in the name of stone-trowing...

....some posters are so possessed in this activity...

that it has taken over their so called lives...

they are running down that road blindly...

its not hard to see this clearly if one is honest in ones looking...

 

what one really wants is the water to be pure...

the light to shine clearly...

but this is not possible as long as there is polluting the water...

 

so instead of starting a new or continuing an old stone-trowing

business...just stop it...dont be part of it no more...

I know this can be a new way for some...or a no-way...

just lay aside all judgeing...all reactioning...

and just stay in the stillness...

without grasping the moving mind with all its business...

 

what happens then ?

nothing happens !

what appears to happen will continue or not...

but that is not important...that is like garbage...

what is important is the silent stillness behind the garbage...

stay there and be clean as the sun itself...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> I have been watching this list for some time now...

> and most postings are done in the name of stone-trowing...

> ...some posters are so possessed in this activity...

> that it has taken over their so called lives...

> they are running down that road blindly...

> its not hard to see this clearly if one is honest in ones looking...

>

> what one really wants is the water to be pure...

> the light to shine clearly...

> but this is not possible as long as there is polluting the water...

>

> so instead of starting a new or continuing an old stone-trowing

> business...just stop it...dont be part of it no more...

> I know this can be a new way for some...or a no-way...

> just lay aside all judgeing...all reactioning...

> and just stay in the stillness...

> without grasping the moving mind with all its business...

>

> what happens then ?

> nothing happens !

> what appears to happen will continue or not...

> but that is not important...that is like garbage...

> what is important is the silent stillness behind the garbage...

> stay there and be clean as the sun itself...

> ...iietsa

 

 

nice judging here on your part.

 

it's comforting to know that 'someone' watches...

 

and that 'someone' makes judgments about the judgments of 'others'.

 

some someones (like you iietsa) are possessed by this kind of thing.

 

when someone really wants the water to be pure.

 

that 'someone' should lay off judging....

 

and quit reacting to others' posts...

 

that someone should stop his stone throwing..

 

because that's just garbage iietsa.

 

your mind dear child is too busy moving over everyone else.

 

if you want to get anywhere..

 

know yourself first..

 

you are a philistine and don't know it.

 

cut the bullshit son.

 

the judgments you make are all about yourself.

 

but you're so blind that you can't see the forest for the trees.

 

and you can't see how illogical and obtuse your statements are.

 

who the hell do you think you are?

 

you want to believe that you have the right and the ability..

 

to make correct judgments about others' intents and meanings.

 

grow up my child.

 

this lecturing of yours reminds me of the baptist minister..

 

who talks incessantly about the sins of others..

 

all the while drinking booze and fucking the little congregates.

 

you are a joke son...get a life.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > I have been watching this list for some time now...

> > and most postings are done in the name of stone-trowing...

> > ...some posters are so possessed in this activity...

> > that it has taken over their so called lives...

> > they are running down that road blindly...

> > its not hard to see this clearly if one is honest in ones

looking...

> >

> > what one really wants is the water to be pure...

> > the light to shine clearly...

> > but this is not possible as long as there is polluting the

water...

> >

> > so instead of starting a new or continuing an old stone-trowing

> > business...just stop it...dont be part of it no more...

> > I know this can be a new way for some...or a no-way...

> > just lay aside all judgeing...all reactioning...

> > and just stay in the stillness...

> > without grasping the moving mind with all its business...

> >

> > what happens then ?

> > nothing happens !

> > what appears to happen will continue or not...

> > but that is not important...that is like garbage...

> > what is important is the silent stillness behind the garbage...

> > stay there and be clean as the sun itself...

> > ...iietsa

>

>

> nice judging here on your part.

>

> it's comforting to know that 'someone' watches...

>

> and that 'someone' makes judgments about the judgments of 'others'.

>

> some someones (like you iietsa) are possessed by this kind of

thing.

>

> when someone really wants the water to be pure.

>

> that 'someone' should lay off judging....

>

> and quit reacting to others' posts...

>

> that someone should stop his stone throwing..

>

> because that's just garbage iietsa.

>

> your mind dear child is too busy moving over everyone else.

>

> if you want to get anywhere..

>

> know yourself first..

>

> you are a philistine and don't know it.

>

> cut the bullshit son.

>

> the judgments you make are all about yourself.

>

> but you're so blind that you can't see the forest for the trees.

>

> and you can't see how illogical and obtuse your statements are.

>

> who the hell do you think you are?

>

> you want to believe that you have the right and the ability..

>

> to make correct judgments about others' intents and meanings.

>

> grow up my child.

>

> this lecturing of yours reminds me of the baptist minister..

>

> who talks incessantly about the sins of others..

>

> all the while drinking booze and fucking the little congregates.

>

> you are a joke son...get a life.

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

the earlier post was not supposed to be a trap...

it was supposed to be a sign saying " beware of the trap " ...

but lets try again...

 

there is a difference between observing what is and judging what

is...

when one for an example sees a lion eating a gasell, and one say, I

saw a lion eat a gasell...

this is putting into words just to comunicate what one has

observed...for the sake of comunication...

but if one continues and say that this is bad or wrong then that is

judging what one has seen...

I dont make judgements over others...

as far as I am concerned there are no other...only appearances...

but I see some perfect examples above on the subject of judgement...

so I quote one of them here:

" 'someone'(like you iietsa) makes judgments about the judgments

of 'others' and are possessed by this kind of thing. "

I dont judge sayings,this one or anyone...I watch them come and go...

and sometimes words are put together to comunicate what is

observed...thats all...

 

I remeber telling you earlier that there is really no need to swing

that goast-sword of anymore...put it back where it belongs...you

will only make a fool out of yourself until you mastering it fully...

 

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have been watching this list for some time now...

> > > and most postings are done in the name of stone-trowing...

> > > ...some posters are so possessed in this activity...

> > > that it has taken over their so called lives...

> > > they are running down that road blindly...

> > > its not hard to see this clearly if one is honest in ones

> looking...

> > >

> > > what one really wants is the water to be pure...

> > > the light to shine clearly...

> > > but this is not possible as long as there is polluting the

> water...

> > >

> > > so instead of starting a new or continuing an old stone-trowing

> > > business...just stop it...dont be part of it no more...

> > > I know this can be a new way for some...or a no-way...

> > > just lay aside all judgeing...all reactioning...

> > > and just stay in the stillness...

> > > without grasping the moving mind with all its business...

> > >

> > > what happens then ?

> > > nothing happens !

> > > what appears to happen will continue or not...

> > > but that is not important...that is like garbage...

> > > what is important is the silent stillness behind the garbage...

> > > stay there and be clean as the sun itself...

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> > nice judging here on your part.

> >

> > it's comforting to know that 'someone' watches...

> >

> > and that 'someone' makes judgments about the judgments of 'others'.

> >

> > some someones (like you iietsa) are possessed by this kind of

> thing.

> >

> > when someone really wants the water to be pure.

> >

> > that 'someone' should lay off judging....

> >

> > and quit reacting to others' posts...

> >

> > that someone should stop his stone throwing..

> >

> > because that's just garbage iietsa.

> >

> > your mind dear child is too busy moving over everyone else.

> >

> > if you want to get anywhere..

> >

> > know yourself first..

> >

> > you are a philistine and don't know it.

> >

> > cut the bullshit son.

> >

> > the judgments you make are all about yourself.

> >

> > but you're so blind that you can't see the forest for the trees.

> >

> > and you can't see how illogical and obtuse your statements are.

> >

> > who the hell do you think you are?

> >

> > you want to believe that you have the right and the ability..

> >

> > to make correct judgments about others' intents and meanings.

> >

> > grow up my child.

> >

> > this lecturing of yours reminds me of the baptist minister..

> >

> > who talks incessantly about the sins of others..

> >

> > all the while drinking booze and fucking the little congregates.

> >

> > you are a joke son...get a life.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> >

> the earlier post was not supposed to be a trap...

> it was supposed to be a sign saying " beware of the trap " ...

> but lets try again...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well it was a self set trap and it successfully trapped you..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> there is a difference between observing what is and judging what

> is...

> when one for an example sees a lion eating a gasell, and one say, I

> saw a lion eat a gasell...

> this is putting into words just to comunicate what one has

> observed...for the sake of comunication...

> but if one continues and say that this is bad or wrong then that is

> judging what one has seen...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oh...so if someone were to say..

 

" I have been watching this list for some time now...and most postings

are done in the name of stone-trowing... " "

 

 

that's NOT judging the reasons and implications of those postings?

 

are you fucking nuts?

 

or just so self possessed that you can't see the paradox?

 

it's one or the other my dear child.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> I dont make judgements over others...

> as far as I am concerned there are no other...only appearances...

> but I see some perfect examples above on the subject of judgement...

> so I quote one of them here:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

before we go on..

 

if all that is...is not others but 'your' appearances..

 

you are the judging entity.

 

judge that my little cabbage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> " 'someone'(like you iietsa) makes judgments about the judgments

> of 'others' and are possessed by this kind of thing. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how 'bout:

 

" some posters are so possessed in this activity...that it has taken

over their so called lives...they are running down that road blindly...

 

you're such a phony little bastard iietsa.

 

i admit to judging and yet i judge not.

 

you deny judging...and are thereby judged.

 

how dense are you kid?

 

you don't understand the most fundamental aspects of spiritual life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> I dont judge sayings,this one or anyone...I watch them come and go...

> and sometimes words are put together to comunicate what is

> observed...thats all...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

read the above..slowly and carefully.

 

try and understand how much of a fool you are making of yourself.

 

you talk out of both sides of your mouth..

 

you want it both ways..

 

you want to declare others as 'those who judge'..

 

and yet can't see that you are judging big time by that statement.

 

i'd say 'doctor heal thyself'...

 

but youngster..you ain't no doctor.

 

your just a bewildered child trying hard to impress..

 

ok..

 

i'm impressed with the fact that you understand jack shit.

 

you can't even see what the hell it is you are trying to say.

 

your laughable kiddo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> I remeber telling you earlier that there is really no need to swing

> that goast-sword of anymore...put it back where it belongs...you

> will only make a fool out of yourself until you mastering it fully...

>

> ...iietsa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oh shit son...

 

you're watching too much star wars.

 

again....i admit when i call you a fool..

 

i'm judging...and i mean what i say and stand by my judgment.

 

you're the little un-masterful child swinging his impotent tongue.

 

get some time in studying reading comprehension..

 

you're way out of your little league game...

 

you're like the 'gee i'm the smart little piggie'...

 

who can't see he's just a little porker being fed for the fattening..

 

being set up to be set on the table.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have been watching this list for some time now...

> > > > and most postings are done in the name of stone-trowing...

> > > > ...some posters are so possessed in this activity...

> > > > that it has taken over their so called lives...

> > > > they are running down that road blindly...

> > > > its not hard to see this clearly if one is honest in ones

> > looking...

> > > >

> > > > what one really wants is the water to be pure...

> > > > the light to shine clearly...

> > > > but this is not possible as long as there is polluting the

> > water...

> > > >

> > > > so instead of starting a new or continuing an old stone-

trowing

> > > > business...just stop it...dont be part of it no more...

> > > > I know this can be a new way for some...or a no-way...

> > > > just lay aside all judgeing...all reactioning...

> > > > and just stay in the stillness...

> > > > without grasping the moving mind with all its business...

> > > >

> > > > what happens then ?

> > > > nothing happens !

> > > > what appears to happen will continue or not...

> > > > but that is not important...that is like garbage...

> > > > what is important is the silent stillness behind the

garbage...

> > > > stay there and be clean as the sun itself...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > >

> > > nice judging here on your part.

> > >

> > > it's comforting to know that 'someone' watches...

> > >

> > > and that 'someone' makes judgments about the judgments

of 'others'.

> > >

> > > some someones (like you iietsa) are possessed by this kind of

> > thing.

> > >

> > > when someone really wants the water to be pure.

> > >

> > > that 'someone' should lay off judging....

> > >

> > > and quit reacting to others' posts...

> > >

> > > that someone should stop his stone throwing..

> > >

> > > because that's just garbage iietsa.

> > >

> > > your mind dear child is too busy moving over everyone else.

> > >

> > > if you want to get anywhere..

> > >

> > > know yourself first..

> > >

> > > you are a philistine and don't know it.

> > >

> > > cut the bullshit son.

> > >

> > > the judgments you make are all about yourself.

> > >

> > > but you're so blind that you can't see the forest for the

trees.

> > >

> > > and you can't see how illogical and obtuse your statements are.

> > >

> > > who the hell do you think you are?

> > >

> > > you want to believe that you have the right and the ability..

> > >

> > > to make correct judgments about others' intents and meanings.

> > >

> > > grow up my child.

> > >

> > > this lecturing of yours reminds me of the baptist minister..

> > >

> > > who talks incessantly about the sins of others..

> > >

> > > all the while drinking booze and fucking the little

congregates.

> > >

> > > you are a joke son...get a life.

> > >

> > > LOL!

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

>

> >

> > the earlier post was not supposed to be a trap...

> > it was supposed to be a sign saying " beware of the trap " ...

> > but lets try again...

>

well it was a self set trap and it successfully trapped you..

>

>

>

>

> there is a difference between observing what is and judging what

> > is...

> > when one for an example sees a lion eating a gasell, and one

say, I

> > saw a lion eat a gasell...

> > this is putting into words just to comunicate what one has

> > observed...for the sake of comunication...

> > but if one continues and say that this is bad or wrong then that

is

> > judging what one has seen...

>

>

oh...so if someone were to say..

>

> " I have been watching this list for some time now...and most

postings

> are done in the name of stone-trowing... " "

>

>

> that's NOT judging the reasons and implications of those postings?

 

its only for comunicating what is going on...

to lighten up the obvious...

 

> are you fucking nuts?

>

> or just so self possessed that you can't see the paradox?

 

it can seem paradoxal from a limited point of view only...

never from whole seeing...

 

> it's one or the other my dear child.

>

>

>

> I dont make judgements over others...

> > as far as I am concerned there are no other...only appearances...

> > but I see some perfect examples above on the subject of

judgement...

> > so I quote one of them here:

>

before we go on..

>

> if all that is...is not others but 'your' appearances..

>

> you are the judging entity.

>

> judge that my little cabbage.

>

 

 

it is just appearances...

it is not others...and it is not mine...

there is not a judging entity...there is only what appears as

judging...

 

>

>

>

>

>

> > " 'someone'(like you iietsa) makes judgments about the judgments

> > of 'others' and are possessed by this kind of thing. "

>

>

>

how 'bout:

>

> " some posters are so possessed in this activity...that it has taken

> over their so called lives...they are running down that road

blindly...

>

 

one identifies with what one is not...

this is often refered to as ignorance or darkness...

above only different words have been used " their so called

lives " ... " posters " ... " running blindly " ...

its all ignorance or darkness...

 

> you're such a phony little bastard iietsa.

 

I told you before, iietsa is just a word...I am beyond words...

and that word " iietsa " means nothing to me...but it may mean a whole

lot to you ?

 

> i admit to judging and yet i judge not.

>

> you deny judging...and are thereby judged.

 

I am nothing that can ever be judged...

only the victim of the goast-sword suffers...

 

> how dense are you kid?

>

> you don't understand the most fundamental aspects of spiritual

life.

>

 

>

>

>

> > I dont judge sayings,this one or anyone...I watch them come and

go...

> > and sometimes words are put together to comunicate what is

> > observed...thats all...

>

>

>

read the above..slowly and carefully.

>

> try and understand how much of a fool you are making of yourself.

>

> you talk out of both sides of your mouth..

>

> you want it both ways..

>

> you want to declare others as 'those who judge'..

 

again....there is no others...it is just darkness not yet being

lightened up...

 

> and yet can't see that you are judging big time by that statement.

>

> i'd say 'doctor heal thyself'...

 

there is no one who is sick...so there is really no problem...

problems are only in duality to the owner of the goast-sword...

it is as said before only ignorance...

 

> but youngster..you ain't no doctor.

 

perfectly right...

 

> your just a bewildered child trying hard to impress..

 

again, there are no others...so the part where you think somebody is

trying to impress...thats just a dirty mirror...clean it and you

will see...no others...

 

> ok..

>

> i'm impressed with the fact that you understand jack shit.

>

> you can't even see what the hell it is you are trying to say.

>

> your laughable kiddo.

>

>

>

>

>

> > I remeber telling you earlier that there is really no need to

swing

> > that goast-sword of anymore...put it back where it belongs...you

> > will only make a fool out of yourself until you mastering it

fully...

> >

> > ...iietsa

>

>

oh shit son...

>

> you're watching too much star wars.

>

> again....i admit when i call you a fool..

 

you can call me any name...but thats where you are trapped...in

words...

 

> i'm judging...and i mean what i say and stand by my judgment.

 

then you are saying out load that you are lost in confusion...

 

>

> you're the little un-masterful child swinging his impotent tongue.

 

thats where you go blind again...I am not what you think me to be...

 

> get some time in studying reading comprehension..

>

> you're way out of your little league game...

>

> you're like the 'gee i'm the smart little piggie'...

>

> who can't see he's just a little porker being fed for the

fattening..

>

> being set up to be set on the table.

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

you give me all these names...but I am not these...

I am only bringing some light into that closed room of yours...

 

your eyes are all turned out...on the appearant objects of the

world...that you appear to judge...then you appear to react, and it

becomes a whole chain of reactions...and so you are lost in a

vicious circle...appearently...

 

all I am saying is this...I am not that garbage...and you are not

that garbage...leave it alone for just one moment and see what

happens...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been watching this list for some time now...

> > > > > and most postings are done in the name of stone-trowing...

> > > > > ...some posters are so possessed in this activity...

> > > > > that it has taken over their so called lives...

> > > > > they are running down that road blindly...

> > > > > its not hard to see this clearly if one is honest in ones

> > > looking...

> > > > >

> > > > > what one really wants is the water to be pure...

> > > > > the light to shine clearly...

> > > > > but this is not possible as long as there is polluting the

> > > water...

> > > > >

> > > > > so instead of starting a new or continuing an old stone-

> trowing

> > > > > business...just stop it...dont be part of it no more...

> > > > > I know this can be a new way for some...or a no-way...

> > > > > just lay aside all judgeing...all reactioning...

> > > > > and just stay in the stillness...

> > > > > without grasping the moving mind with all its business...

> > > > >

> > > > > what happens then ?

> > > > > nothing happens !

> > > > > what appears to happen will continue or not...

> > > > > but that is not important...that is like garbage...

> > > > > what is important is the silent stillness behind the

> garbage...

> > > > > stay there and be clean as the sun itself...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > nice judging here on your part.

> > > >

> > > > it's comforting to know that 'someone' watches...

> > > >

> > > > and that 'someone' makes judgments about the judgments

> of 'others'.

> > > >

> > > > some someones (like you iietsa) are possessed by this kind of

> > > thing.

> > > >

> > > > when someone really wants the water to be pure.

> > > >

> > > > that 'someone' should lay off judging....

> > > >

> > > > and quit reacting to others' posts...

> > > >

> > > > that someone should stop his stone throwing..

> > > >

> > > > because that's just garbage iietsa.

> > > >

> > > > your mind dear child is too busy moving over everyone else.

> > > >

> > > > if you want to get anywhere..

> > > >

> > > > know yourself first..

> > > >

> > > > you are a philistine and don't know it.

> > > >

> > > > cut the bullshit son.

> > > >

> > > > the judgments you make are all about yourself.

> > > >

> > > > but you're so blind that you can't see the forest for the

> trees.

> > > >

> > > > and you can't see how illogical and obtuse your statements are.

> > > >

> > > > who the hell do you think you are?

> > > >

> > > > you want to believe that you have the right and the ability..

> > > >

> > > > to make correct judgments about others' intents and meanings.

> > > >

> > > > grow up my child.

> > > >

> > > > this lecturing of yours reminds me of the baptist minister..

> > > >

> > > > who talks incessantly about the sins of others..

> > > >

> > > > all the while drinking booze and fucking the little

> congregates.

> > > >

> > > > you are a joke son...get a life.

> > > >

> > > > LOL!

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > the earlier post was not supposed to be a trap...

> > > it was supposed to be a sign saying " beware of the trap " ...

> > > but lets try again...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > well it was a self set trap and it successfully trapped you..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > there is a difference between observing what is and judging what

> > > is...

> > > when one for an example sees a lion eating a gasell, and one

> say, I

> > > saw a lion eat a gasell...

> > > this is putting into words just to comunicate what one has

> > > observed...for the sake of comunication...

> > > but if one continues and say that this is bad or wrong then that

> is

> > > judging what one has seen...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > oh...so if someone were to say..

> >

> > " I have been watching this list for some time now...and most

> postings

> > are done in the name of stone-trowing... " "

> >

> >

> > that's NOT judging the reasons and implications of those postings?

>

> its only for comunicating what is going on...

> to lighten up the obvious...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oh bullshit.

 

then everyone else is just communicating too.

 

cut the crap youngster.

 

you JUDGE!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> > are you fucking nuts?

> >

> > or just so self possessed that you can't see the paradox?

>

> it can seem paradoxal from a limited point of view only...

> never from whole seeing...

 

 

 

 

 

 

it is still paradoxical.

 

even as seen by the whole.

 

besides...

 

you're too busy making judgments to ever see in a whole way.

 

little iietsa playing guru again.

 

i gotta say kid, you're the funniest little mouse!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..

 

>

> > it's one or the other my dear child.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I dont make judgements over others...

> > > as far as I am concerned there are no other...only appearances...

> > > but I see some perfect examples above on the subject of

> judgement...

> > > so I quote one of them here:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > before we go on..

> >

> > if all that is...is not others but 'your' appearances..

> >

> > you are the judging entity.

> >

> > judge that my little cabbage.

> >

>

>

> it is just appearances...

> it is not others...and it is not mine...

> there is not a judging entity...there is only what appears as

> judging...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that's bullshit too.

 

you not only read like a phony..

 

you talk like a phony.

 

to whom do the appearances appear?

 

why?

 

why even the 'appearance' of 'judging'?

 

what gives you little boy iietsa..

 

the right to say when judging is what it is... and when it's not?

 

grow the fuck up kid you talk like a two year old.

 

and you lie, then try to say that you said something else.

 

you need a spanking.

 

LOL!

 

 

 

 

> > > " 'someone'(like you iietsa) makes judgments about the judgments

> > > of 'others' and are possessed by this kind of thing. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > how 'bout:

> >

> > " some posters are so possessed in this activity...that it has taken

> > over their so called lives...they are running down that road

> blindly...

> >

>

> one identifies with what one is not...

> this is often refered to as ignorance or darkness...

> above only different words have been used " their so called

> lives " ... " posters " ... " running blindly " ...

> its all ignorance or darkness...

 

 

 

 

 

everything you just iterated is often referred to as ignorance..

 

in broad daylight too.

 

use the right words and don't fall back on lame excuses.

 

you are such a lying little phony iietsa.

 

you can't even keep your own stories straight.

 

what a fucking loser!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> > you're such a phony little bastard iietsa.

>

> I told you before, iietsa is just a word...I am beyond words...

> and that word " iietsa " means nothing to me...but it may mean a whole

> lot to you ?

 

 

 

 

 

iietsa means nothing to me.

 

nothing means anything to me.

 

you should know that by now kiddo.

 

you are such a slow learner.

 

you are NOT beyond words my child.

 

you are a dummy.

 

is that a good enough word for you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> > i admit to judging and yet i judge not.

> >

> > you deny judging...and are thereby judged.

>

> I am nothing that can ever be judged...

> only the victim of the goast-sword suffers...

 

 

 

 

 

what the fuck is a 'goast'?

 

and you are wrong again little lulu..

 

you are an insignificant turd that is judged by it's stink.

 

and you stink ,not to high heaven, but to low ground..

 

like cow pies to anyone who reads your crap.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> > how dense are you kid?

> >

> > you don't understand the most fundamental aspects of spiritual

> life.

> >

>

> >

> >

> >

> > > I dont judge sayings,this one or anyone...I watch them come and

> go...

> > > and sometimes words are put together to comunicate what is

> > > observed...thats all...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > read the above..slowly and carefully.

> >

> > try and understand how much of a fool you are making of yourself.

> >

> > you talk out of both sides of your mouth..

> >

> > you want it both ways..

> >

> > you want to declare others as 'those who judge'..

>

> again....there is no others...it is just darkness not yet being

> lightened up...

>

> > and yet can't see that you are judging big time by that statement.

> >

> > i'd say 'doctor heal thyself'...

 

 

 

 

 

 

> there is no one who is sick...so there is really no problem...

 

 

 

sorry sicko..you're in denial and i cqn understand..

 

but you have a dis-ease..

 

and you're full of shit.

 

you need an enema and a good nights sleep.

 

that'll fix your holy little ass right up.

 

 

 

 

> problems are only in duality to the owner of the goast-sword...

> it is as said before only ignorance...

 

 

 

 

 

if something is in duality..

 

it's also in nonduality.

 

where the fuck did you learn advaita?

 

ronald mcdonald's school of 'learn to be great'?

 

oh jesus you're nutzoid, boy.

 

 

 

> > but youngster..you ain't no doctor.

>

> perfectly right...

 

 

 

no shit?

 

 

 

> > your just a bewildered child trying hard to impress..

>

> again, there are no others...so the part where you think somebody is

> trying to impress...thats just a dirty mirror...clean it and you

> will see...no others...

 

 

 

 

then why the hell are you posting back to me?

 

you're either a fool or you're nuts.

 

why are you talking to me and saying what i should do?

 

there are no others remember?

 

take your advise and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

if you're so full of light...

 

you might be able to evaporate your own crap.

 

you know..

 

one can't remain full of shit if one is full of light.

 

and that's just how i know you're a phony ass wanna-be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> > ok..

> >

> > i'm impressed with the fact that you understand jack shit.

> >

> > you can't even see what the hell it is you are trying to say.

> >

> > your laughable kiddo.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I remeber telling you earlier that there is really no need to

> swing

> > > that goast-sword of anymore...put it back where it belongs...you

> > > will only make a fool out of yourself until you mastering it

> fully...

> > >

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > oh shit son...

> >

> > you're watching too much star wars.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> > again....i admit when i call you a fool..

>

> you can call me any name...but thats where you are trapped...in

> words...

 

 

 

and you're not?

 

puleeeeze!

 

who you trying to kid?

 

yourself?

 

keep trying.

 

if you believed what you say about yourself..

 

you wouldn't say what you say about yourself.

 

did you graduate high school yet?

 

weren't you taught any basic logic?

 

c'mon kid...there got to be an excuse for this nonsense of yours.

 

tell daddy all about it and lose that lying load you carry.

 

there's a good boy!

 

 

 

> > i'm judging...and i mean what i say and stand by my judgment.

>

> then you are saying out load that you are lost in confusion...

 

 

 

 

no..i'm saying what i said.

 

do you have difficulty understanding what is written.

 

do you only see what you want to see?

 

do you see only what you need to see..

 

in order to justify your judgmental shit?

 

poor child!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> > you're the little un-masterful child swinging his impotent tongue.

>

> thats where you go blind again...I am not what you think me to be...

 

 

 

 

 

 

that's where you remain blind kiddo.

 

you don't know who the fuck you are.

 

and you do not know what i think..about you or anyone or anything.

 

the only things you know about me are from what i write.

 

and you get that all fucked up anyway.

 

as i said..

 

you know jack shit.

 

 

 

> > get some time in studying reading comprehension..

> >

> > you're way out of your little league game...

> >

> > you're like the 'gee i'm the smart little piggie'...

> >

> > who can't see he's just a little porker being fed for the

> fattening..

> >

> > being set up to be set on the table.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> you give me all these names...but I am not these...

> I am only bringing some light into that closed room of yours...

 

 

 

 

oh cut the crap sunshine.

 

you ain't got the stuff child.

 

" bringing some light into that closed room of yours " ..

 

ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaha ha ah haaaaaa!

 

yes swami...right swami...eat shiot swami..

 

LOL!

 

 

 

 

> your eyes are all turned out...on the appearant objects of the

> world...that you appear to judge...then you appear to react, and it

> becomes a whole chain of reactions...and so you are lost in a

> vicious circle...appearently...

>

> all I am saying is this...I am not that garbage...and you are not

> that garbage...leave it alone for just one moment and see what

> happens...

> ...iietsa

 

 

 

leave the crap of trying to sound like mother theresa alone..

 

and see what happens..

 

people may begin to take you seriously.

 

but with all your holier than thou bullshit..

 

you will remain the butt of a whole lot of jokes..

 

your position puts you in place as a laughingstock.

 

 

..b b.b.

 

 

p.s.

 

thanks for playing my game.

 

you fall right into it every time.

 

you react and write so predictably...

 

that i can predict with certainty just what you'll do and say.

 

and it's always to reply with more of your bullshit.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

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> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been watching this list for some time now...

> > > > > > and most postings are done in the name of stone-

trowing...

> > > > > > ...some posters are so possessed in this activity...

> > > > > > that it has taken over their so called lives...

> > > > > > they are running down that road blindly...

> > > > > > its not hard to see this clearly if one is honest in

ones

> > > > looking...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what one really wants is the water to be pure...

> > > > > > the light to shine clearly...

> > > > > > but this is not possible as long as there is polluting

the

> > > > water...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so instead of starting a new or continuing an old stone-

> > trowing

> > > > > > business...just stop it...dont be part of it no more...

> > > > > > I know this can be a new way for some...or a no-way...

> > > > > > just lay aside all judgeing...all reactioning...

> > > > > > and just stay in the stillness...

> > > > > > without grasping the moving mind with all its business...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what happens then ?

> > > > > > nothing happens !

> > > > > > what appears to happen will continue or not...

> > > > > > but that is not important...that is like garbage...

> > > > > > what is important is the silent stillness behind the

> > garbage...

> > > > > > stay there and be clean as the sun itself...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > nice judging here on your part.

> > > > >

> > > > > it's comforting to know that 'someone' watches...

> > > > >

> > > > > and that 'someone' makes judgments about the judgments

> > of 'others'.

> > > > >

> > > > > some someones (like you iietsa) are possessed by this kind

of

> > > > thing.

> > > > >

> > > > > when someone really wants the water to be pure.

> > > > >

> > > > > that 'someone' should lay off judging....

> > > > >

> > > > > and quit reacting to others' posts...

> > > > >

> > > > > that someone should stop his stone throwing..

> > > > >

> > > > > because that's just garbage iietsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > your mind dear child is too busy moving over everyone else.

> > > > >

> > > > > if you want to get anywhere..

> > > > >

> > > > > know yourself first..

> > > > >

> > > > > you are a philistine and don't know it.

> > > > >

> > > > > cut the bullshit son.

> > > > >

> > > > > the judgments you make are all about yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > but you're so blind that you can't see the forest for the

> > trees.

> > > > >

> > > > > and you can't see how illogical and obtuse your statements

are.

> > > > >

> > > > > who the hell do you think you are?

> > > > >

> > > > > you want to believe that you have the right and the

ability..

> > > > >

> > > > > to make correct judgments about others' intents and

meanings.

> > > > >

> > > > > grow up my child.

> > > > >

> > > > > this lecturing of yours reminds me of the baptist

minister..

> > > > >

> > > > > who talks incessantly about the sins of others..

> > > > >

> > > > > all the while drinking booze and fucking the little

> > congregates.

> > > > >

> > > > > you are a joke son...get a life.

> > > > >

> > > > > LOL!

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > the earlier post was not supposed to be a trap...

> > > > it was supposed to be a sign saying " beware of the trap " ...

> > > > but lets try again...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > well it was a self set trap and it successfully trapped you..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > there is a difference between observing what is and judging

what

> > > > is...

> > > > when one for an example sees a lion eating a gasell, and one

> > say, I

> > > > saw a lion eat a gasell...

> > > > this is putting into words just to comunicate what one has

> > > > observed...for the sake of comunication...

> > > > but if one continues and say that this is bad or wrong then

that

> > is

> > > > judging what one has seen...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > oh...so if someone were to say..

> > >

> > > " I have been watching this list for some time now...and most

> > postings

> > > are done in the name of stone-trowing... " "

> > >

> > >

> > > that's NOT judging the reasons and implications of those

postings?

> >

> > its only for comunicating what is going on...

> > to lighten up the obvious...

>

oh bullshit.

>

> then everyone else is just communicating too.

>

> cut the crap youngster.

>

> you JUDGE!

>

> > are you fucking nuts?

> > >

> > > or just so self possessed that you can't see the paradox?

> >

> > it can seem paradoxal from a limited point of view only...

> > never from whole seeing...

it is still paradoxical.

>

> even as seen by the whole.

>

> besides...

>

> you're too busy making judgments to ever see in a whole way.

>

> little iietsa playing guru again.

>

> i gotta say kid, you're the funniest little mouse!

>

.

>

> >

> > > it's one or the other my dear child.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > I dont make judgements over others...

> > > > as far as I am concerned there are no other...only

appearances...

> > > > but I see some perfect examples above on the subject of

> > judgement...

> > > > so I quote one of them here:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > before we go on..

> > >

> > > if all that is...is not others but 'your' appearances..

> > >

> > > you are the judging entity.

> > >

> > > judge that my little cabbage.

> > >

> >

> >

> > it is just appearances...

> > it is not others...and it is not mine...

> > there is not a judging entity...there is only what appears as

> > judging...

>

that's bullshit too.

>

> you not only read like a phony..

>

> you talk like a phony.

>

> to whom do the appearances appear?

>

> why?

>

> why even the 'appearance' of 'judging'?

>

> what gives you little boy iietsa..

>

> the right to say when judging is what it is... and when it's not?

>

> grow the fuck up kid you talk like a two year old.

>

> and you lie, then try to say that you said something else.

>

> you need a spanking.

>

> LOL!

>

>

>

>

> > > > " 'someone'(like you iietsa) makes judgments about the

judgments

> > > > of 'others' and are possessed by this kind of thing. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > how 'bout:

> > >

> > > " some posters are so possessed in this activity...that it has

taken

> > > over their so called lives...they are running down that road

> > blindly...

> > >

> >

> > one identifies with what one is not...

> > this is often refered to as ignorance or darkness...

> > above only different words have been used " their so called

> > lives " ... " posters " ... " running blindly " ...

> > its all ignorance or darkness...

>

>

>

>

>

> everything you just iterated is often referred to as ignorance..

>

> in broad daylight too.

>

> use the right words and don't fall back on lame excuses.

>

> you are such a lying little phony iietsa.

>

> you can't even keep your own stories straight.

>

> what a fucking loser!

>

> > you're such a phony little bastard iietsa.

> >

> > I told you before, iietsa is just a word...I am beyond words...

> > and that word " iietsa " means nothing to me...but it may mean a

whole

> > lot to you ?

>

>

>

>

>

> iietsa means nothing to me.

>

> nothing means anything to me.

>

> you should know that by now kiddo.

>

> you are such a slow learner.

>

> you are NOT beyond words my child.

>

> you are a dummy.

>

> is that a good enough word for you?

>

>

> > i admit to judging and yet i judge not.

> > >

> > > you deny judging...and are thereby judged.

> >

> > I am nothing that can ever be judged...

> > only the victim of the goast-sword suffers...

>

>

>

>

>

> what the fuck is a 'goast'?

>

> and you are wrong again little lulu..

>

> you are an insignificant turd that is judged by it's stink.

>

> and you stink ,not to high heaven, but to low ground..

>

> like cow pies to anyone who reads your crap.

>

>

>

> > how dense are you kid?

> > >

> > > you don't understand the most fundamental aspects of spiritual

> > life.

> > >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > I dont judge sayings,this one or anyone...I watch them come

and

> > go...

> > > > and sometimes words are put together to comunicate what is

> > > > observed...thats all...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > read the above..slowly and carefully.

> > >

> > > try and understand how much of a fool you are making of

yourself.

> > >

> > > you talk out of both sides of your mouth..

> > >

> > > you want it both ways..

> > >

> > > you want to declare others as 'those who judge'..

> >

> > again....there is no others...it is just darkness not yet being

> > lightened up...

> >

> > > and yet can't see that you are judging big time by that

statement.

> > >

> > > i'd say 'doctor heal thyself'...

> there is no one who is sick...so there is really no problem...

>

>

>

> sorry sicko..you're in denial and i cqn understand..

>

> but you have a dis-ease..

>

> and you're full of shit.

>

> you need an enema and a good nights sleep.

>

> that'll fix your holy little ass right up.

>

>

>

>

> > problems are only in duality to the owner of the goast-sword...

> > it is as said before only ignorance...

>

>

>

>

>

> if something is in duality..

>

> it's also in nonduality.

>

> where the fuck did you learn advaita?

>

> ronald mcdonald's school of 'learn to be great'?

>

> oh jesus you're nutzoid, boy.

>

>

>

> > > but youngster..you ain't no doctor.

> >

> > perfectly right...

>

>

>

> no shit?

>

>

>

> > > your just a bewildered child trying hard to impress..

> >

> > again, there are no others...so the part where you think

somebody is

> > trying to impress...thats just a dirty mirror...clean it and you

> > will see...no others...

>

>

>

>

> then why the hell are you posting back to me?

>

> you're either a fool or you're nuts.

>

> why are you talking to me and saying what i should do?

>

> there are no others remember?

>

> take your advise and shove it where the sun don't shine.

>

> if you're so full of light...

>

> you might be able to evaporate your own crap.

>

> you know..

>

> one can't remain full of shit if one is full of light.

>

> and that's just how i know you're a phony ass wanna-be.

>

> > ok..

> > >

> > > i'm impressed with the fact that you understand jack shit.

> > >

> > > you can't even see what the hell it is you are trying to say.

> > >

> > > your laughable kiddo.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I remeber telling you earlier that there is really no need

to

> > swing

> > > > that goast-sword of anymore...put it back where it

belongs...you

> > > > will only make a fool out of yourself until you mastering it

> > fully...

> > > >

> > > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > oh shit son...

> > >

> > > you're watching too much star wars.

>

>

> > again....i admit when i call you a fool..

> >

> > you can call me any name...but thats where you are trapped...in

> > words...

>

>

>

> and you're not?

>

> puleeeeze!

>

> who you trying to kid?

>

> yourself?

>

> keep trying.

>

> if you believed what you say about yourself..

>

> you wouldn't say what you say about yourself.

>

> did you graduate high school yet?

>

> weren't you taught any basic logic?

>

> c'mon kid...there got to be an excuse for this nonsense of yours.

>

> tell daddy all about it and lose that lying load you carry.

>

> there's a good boy!

>

>

>

> > > i'm judging...and i mean what i say and stand by my judgment.

> >

> > then you are saying out load that you are lost in confusion...

>

>

>

>

> no..i'm saying what i said.

>

> do you have difficulty understanding what is written.

>

> do you only see what you want to see?

>

> do you see only what you need to see..

>

> in order to justify your judgmental shit?

>

> poor child!

>

> > you're the little un-masterful child swinging his impotent

tongue.

> >

> > thats where you go blind again...I am not what you think me to

be...

that's where you remain blind kiddo.

>

> you don't know who the fuck you are.

>

> and you do not know what i think..about you or anyone or anything.

>

> the only things you know about me are from what i write.

>

> and you get that all fucked up anyway.

>

> as i said..

>

> you know jack shit.

>

>

>

> > > get some time in studying reading comprehension..

> > >

> > > you're way out of your little league game...

> > >

> > > you're like the 'gee i'm the smart little piggie'...

> > >

> > > who can't see he's just a little porker being fed for the

> > fattening..

> > >

> > > being set up to be set on the table.

> > >

> > > LOL!

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> > you give me all these names...but I am not these...

> > I am only bringing some light into that closed room of yours...

>

>

>

>

> oh cut the crap sunshine.

>

> you ain't got the stuff child.

>

> " bringing some light into that closed room of yours " ..

>

> ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaha ha ah haaaaaa!

>

> yes swami...right swami...eat shiot swami..

>

> LOL!

>

>

>

>

> > your eyes are all turned out...on the appearant objects of the

> > world...that you appear to judge...then you appear to react, and

it

> > becomes a whole chain of reactions...and so you are lost in a

> > vicious circle...appearently...

> >

> > all I am saying is this...I am not that garbage...and you are

not

> > that garbage...leave it alone for just one moment and see what

> > happens...

> > ...iietsa

>

>

>

> leave the crap of trying to sound like mother theresa alone..

>

> and see what happens..

>

> people may begin to take you seriously.

>

> but with all your holier than thou bullshit..

>

> you will remain the butt of a whole lot of jokes..

>

> your position puts you in place as a laughingstock.

>

>

> .b b.b.

>

>

> p.s.

>

> thanks for playing my game.

>

> you fall right into it every time.

>

> you react and write so predictably...

>

> that i can predict with certainty just what you'll do and say.

>

> and it's always to reply with more of your bullshit.

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

how do think you can see clearly what is,

when every thought around runs away with your eyes,

like they where a pair of socks on a crazy horse...

 

again it is not my garbage...

carry on with it as you like...

as I said before...its not my business...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been watching this list for some time now...

> > > > > > > and most postings are done in the name of stone-

> trowing...

> > > > > > > ...some posters are so possessed in this activity...

> > > > > > > that it has taken over their so called lives...

> > > > > > > they are running down that road blindly...

> > > > > > > its not hard to see this clearly if one is honest in

> ones

> > > > > looking...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what one really wants is the water to be pure...

> > > > > > > the light to shine clearly...

> > > > > > > but this is not possible as long as there is polluting

> the

> > > > > water...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so instead of starting a new or continuing an old stone-

> > > trowing

> > > > > > > business...just stop it...dont be part of it no more...

> > > > > > > I know this can be a new way for some...or a no-way...

> > > > > > > just lay aside all judgeing...all reactioning...

> > > > > > > and just stay in the stillness...

> > > > > > > without grasping the moving mind with all its business...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what happens then ?

> > > > > > > nothing happens !

> > > > > > > what appears to happen will continue or not...

> > > > > > > but that is not important...that is like garbage...

> > > > > > > what is important is the silent stillness behind the

> > > garbage...

> > > > > > > stay there and be clean as the sun itself...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nice judging here on your part.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's comforting to know that 'someone' watches...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and that 'someone' makes judgments about the judgments

> > > of 'others'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some someones (like you iietsa) are possessed by this kind

> of

> > > > > thing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when someone really wants the water to be pure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that 'someone' should lay off judging....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and quit reacting to others' posts...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that someone should stop his stone throwing..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > because that's just garbage iietsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your mind dear child is too busy moving over everyone else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you want to get anywhere..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > know yourself first..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you are a philistine and don't know it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > cut the bullshit son.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the judgments you make are all about yourself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but you're so blind that you can't see the forest for the

> > > trees.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and you can't see how illogical and obtuse your statements

> are.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who the hell do you think you are?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you want to believe that you have the right and the

> ability..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to make correct judgments about others' intents and

> meanings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > grow up my child.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this lecturing of yours reminds me of the baptist

> minister..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who talks incessantly about the sins of others..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all the while drinking booze and fucking the little

> > > congregates.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you are a joke son...get a life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LOL!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > the earlier post was not supposed to be a trap...

> > > > > it was supposed to be a sign saying " beware of the trap " ...

> > > > > but lets try again...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > well it was a self set trap and it successfully trapped you..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > there is a difference between observing what is and judging

> what

> > > > > is...

> > > > > when one for an example sees a lion eating a gasell, and one

> > > say, I

> > > > > saw a lion eat a gasell...

> > > > > this is putting into words just to comunicate what one has

> > > > > observed...for the sake of comunication...

> > > > > but if one continues and say that this is bad or wrong then

> that

> > > is

> > > > > judging what one has seen...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > oh...so if someone were to say..

> > > >

> > > > " I have been watching this list for some time now...and most

> > > postings

> > > > are done in the name of stone-trowing... " "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > that's NOT judging the reasons and implications of those

> postings?

> > >

> > > its only for comunicating what is going on...

> > > to lighten up the obvious...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > oh bullshit.

> >

> > then everyone else is just communicating too.

> >

> > cut the crap youngster.

> >

> > you JUDGE!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > are you fucking nuts?

> > > >

> > > > or just so self possessed that you can't see the paradox?

> > >

> > > it can seem paradoxal from a limited point of view only...

> > > never from whole seeing...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > it is still paradoxical.

> >

> > even as seen by the whole.

> >

> > besides...

> >

> > you're too busy making judgments to ever see in a whole way.

> >

> > little iietsa playing guru again.

> >

> > i gotta say kid, you're the funniest little mouse!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> > >

> > > > it's one or the other my dear child.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I dont make judgements over others...

> > > > > as far as I am concerned there are no other...only

> appearances...

> > > > > but I see some perfect examples above on the subject of

> > > judgement...

> > > > > so I quote one of them here:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > before we go on..

> > > >

> > > > if all that is...is not others but 'your' appearances..

> > > >

> > > > you are the judging entity.

> > > >

> > > > judge that my little cabbage.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > it is just appearances...

> > > it is not others...and it is not mine...

> > > there is not a judging entity...there is only what appears as

> > > judging...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > that's bullshit too.

> >

> > you not only read like a phony..

> >

> > you talk like a phony.

> >

> > to whom do the appearances appear?

> >

> > why?

> >

> > why even the 'appearance' of 'judging'?

> >

> > what gives you little boy iietsa..

> >

> > the right to say when judging is what it is... and when it's not?

> >

> > grow the fuck up kid you talk like a two year old.

> >

> > and you lie, then try to say that you said something else.

> >

> > you need a spanking.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > " 'someone'(like you iietsa) makes judgments about the

> judgments

> > > > > of 'others' and are possessed by this kind of thing. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > how 'bout:

> > > >

> > > > " some posters are so possessed in this activity...that it has

> taken

> > > > over their so called lives...they are running down that road

> > > blindly...

> > > >

> > >

> > > one identifies with what one is not...

> > > this is often refered to as ignorance or darkness...

> > > above only different words have been used " their so called

> > > lives " ... " posters " ... " running blindly " ...

> > > its all ignorance or darkness...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > everything you just iterated is often referred to as ignorance..

> >

> > in broad daylight too.

> >

> > use the right words and don't fall back on lame excuses.

> >

> > you are such a lying little phony iietsa.

> >

> > you can't even keep your own stories straight.

> >

> > what a fucking loser!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > you're such a phony little bastard iietsa.

> > >

> > > I told you before, iietsa is just a word...I am beyond words...

> > > and that word " iietsa " means nothing to me...but it may mean a

> whole

> > > lot to you ?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > iietsa means nothing to me.

> >

> > nothing means anything to me.

> >

> > you should know that by now kiddo.

> >

> > you are such a slow learner.

> >

> > you are NOT beyond words my child.

> >

> > you are a dummy.

> >

> > is that a good enough word for you?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > i admit to judging and yet i judge not.

> > > >

> > > > you deny judging...and are thereby judged.

> > >

> > > I am nothing that can ever be judged...

> > > only the victim of the goast-sword suffers...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > what the fuck is a 'goast'?

> >

> > and you are wrong again little lulu..

> >

> > you are an insignificant turd that is judged by it's stink.

> >

> > and you stink ,not to high heaven, but to low ground..

> >

> > like cow pies to anyone who reads your crap.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > how dense are you kid?

> > > >

> > > > you don't understand the most fundamental aspects of spiritual

> > > life.

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I dont judge sayings,this one or anyone...I watch them come

> and

> > > go...

> > > > > and sometimes words are put together to comunicate what is

> > > > > observed...thats all...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > read the above..slowly and carefully.

> > > >

> > > > try and understand how much of a fool you are making of

> yourself.

> > > >

> > > > you talk out of both sides of your mouth..

> > > >

> > > > you want it both ways..

> > > >

> > > > you want to declare others as 'those who judge'..

> > >

> > > again....there is no others...it is just darkness not yet being

> > > lightened up...

> > >

> > > > and yet can't see that you are judging big time by that

> statement.

> > > >

> > > > i'd say 'doctor heal thyself'...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > there is no one who is sick...so there is really no problem...

> >

> >

> >

> > sorry sicko..you're in denial and i cqn understand..

> >

> > but you have a dis-ease..

> >

> > and you're full of shit.

> >

> > you need an enema and a good nights sleep.

> >

> > that'll fix your holy little ass right up.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > problems are only in duality to the owner of the goast-sword...

> > > it is as said before only ignorance...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > if something is in duality..

> >

> > it's also in nonduality.

> >

> > where the fuck did you learn advaita?

> >

> > ronald mcdonald's school of 'learn to be great'?

> >

> > oh jesus you're nutzoid, boy.

> >

> >

> >

> > > > but youngster..you ain't no doctor.

> > >

> > > perfectly right...

> >

> >

> >

> > no shit?

> >

> >

> >

> > > > your just a bewildered child trying hard to impress..

> > >

> > > again, there are no others...so the part where you think

> somebody is

> > > trying to impress...thats just a dirty mirror...clean it and you

> > > will see...no others...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > then why the hell are you posting back to me?

> >

> > you're either a fool or you're nuts.

> >

> > why are you talking to me and saying what i should do?

> >

> > there are no others remember?

> >

> > take your advise and shove it where the sun don't shine.

> >

> > if you're so full of light...

> >

> > you might be able to evaporate your own crap.

> >

> > you know..

> >

> > one can't remain full of shit if one is full of light.

> >

> > and that's just how i know you're a phony ass wanna-be.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > ok..

> > > >

> > > > i'm impressed with the fact that you understand jack shit.

> > > >

> > > > you can't even see what the hell it is you are trying to say.

> > > >

> > > > your laughable kiddo.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I remeber telling you earlier that there is really no need

> to

> > > swing

> > > > > that goast-sword of anymore...put it back where it

> belongs...you

> > > > > will only make a fool out of yourself until you mastering it

> > > fully...

> > > > >

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > oh shit son...

> > > >

> > > > you're watching too much star wars.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > again....i admit when i call you a fool..

> > >

> > > you can call me any name...but thats where you are trapped...in

> > > words...

> >

> >

> >

> > and you're not?

> >

> > puleeeeze!

> >

> > who you trying to kid?

> >

> > yourself?

> >

> > keep trying.

> >

> > if you believed what you say about yourself..

> >

> > you wouldn't say what you say about yourself.

> >

> > did you graduate high school yet?

> >

> > weren't you taught any basic logic?

> >

> > c'mon kid...there got to be an excuse for this nonsense of yours.

> >

> > tell daddy all about it and lose that lying load you carry.

> >

> > there's a good boy!

> >

> >

> >

> > > > i'm judging...and i mean what i say and stand by my judgment.

> > >

> > > then you are saying out load that you are lost in confusion...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > no..i'm saying what i said.

> >

> > do you have difficulty understanding what is written.

> >

> > do you only see what you want to see?

> >

> > do you see only what you need to see..

> >

> > in order to justify your judgmental shit?

> >

> > poor child!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > you're the little un-masterful child swinging his impotent

> tongue.

> > >

> > > thats where you go blind again...I am not what you think me to

> be...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > that's where you remain blind kiddo.

> >

> > you don't know who the fuck you are.

> >

> > and you do not know what i think..about you or anyone or anything.

> >

> > the only things you know about me are from what i write.

> >

> > and you get that all fucked up anyway.

> >

> > as i said..

> >

> > you know jack shit.

> >

> >

> >

> > > > get some time in studying reading comprehension..

> > > >

> > > > you're way out of your little league game...

> > > >

> > > > you're like the 'gee i'm the smart little piggie'...

> > > >

> > > > who can't see he's just a little porker being fed for the

> > > fattening..

> > > >

> > > > being set up to be set on the table.

> > > >

> > > > LOL!

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > > you give me all these names...but I am not these...

> > > I am only bringing some light into that closed room of yours...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > oh cut the crap sunshine.

> >

> > you ain't got the stuff child.

> >

> > " bringing some light into that closed room of yours " ..

> >

> > ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaha ha ah haaaaaa!

> >

> > yes swami...right swami...eat shiot swami..

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > your eyes are all turned out...on the appearant objects of the

> > > world...that you appear to judge...then you appear to react, and

> it

> > > becomes a whole chain of reactions...and so you are lost in a

> > > vicious circle...appearently...

> > >

> > > all I am saying is this...I am not that garbage...and you are

> not

> > > that garbage...leave it alone for just one moment and see what

> > > happens...

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> >

> > leave the crap of trying to sound like mother theresa alone..

> >

> > and see what happens..

> >

> > people may begin to take you seriously.

> >

> > but with all your holier than thou bullshit..

> >

> > you will remain the butt of a whole lot of jokes..

> >

> > your position puts you in place as a laughingstock.

> >

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> >

> > p.s.

> >

> > thanks for playing my game.

> >

> > you fall right into it every time.

> >

> > you react and write so predictably...

> >

> > that i can predict with certainty just what you'll do and say.

> >

> > and it's always to reply with more of your bullshit.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> how do think you can see clearly what is,

> when every thought around runs away with your eyes,

> like they where a pair of socks on a crazy horse...

 

 

 

 

 

that's self-representation my dear child.

 

 

 

 

 

> again it is not my garbage...

> carry on with it as you like...

> as I said before...its not my business...

> ...iietsa

 

 

 

 

 

good deal space cadet.

 

hey..did you get your Captain Marvel decoder ring yet?

 

even if you have you should stay unconscious..

 

re-entry into Actuality will be more comfortable for you that way.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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