Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Ever notice that there are times when you feel as if time stands still? Time seems to stand still during the exquisite moments of our lives: when we see a breathtaking sunset or bask in the glow of completing a project or watching a child at play. Have you noticed that time seems more expansive when you are vacation? Can time, as we understand it, collapse? David Bohm, a theoretical physicist, suggests that time can only be something [that] happens in the present and now, in spite of our artificial constructs of past and future, we are really beings who live in a lot of parallel concurrent nows. Time has no beginning and " the past " is actually concurrent with now. Bohm's central thesis is that the world and everything in it is a vast ocean of energy. What we perceive as separate parts — you, me, the chair, the dog, the trees, the air we breathe, the atmosphere surrounding the planet, and the stars in the next galaxy — are all part of a seamless whole (holomovement) that is pulsing with life and intelligence. He calls his ocean of living energy the implicate order because it cannot be seen or measured, except mathematically, only inferred. Organizing this high-energy pool into various structures is the superimplicate order, a superinformation field that surrounds, interpenetrates, and underlies the implicate order, directing its unfolding into the relatively stable forms we perceive with our everyday senses — the stuff of the world as we know it (the explicate order). In this sea of pure energy, there are no particles, no space or time. Space and time are properties of the three-dimensional world of the explicate order. By the rules of quantum mechanics, space and time cannot exist without someone there to measure them. We inhabit a universe that is a seamless, coherent whole. The separation of objects is an attribute of the explicit order, as are space and time. We actually inhabit a universe where every point is interpenetrated by every other point. This universe is made up of the implicate order, a vast ocean of living, conscious, intelligent energy underlying, surrounding, overlaying, and interpenetrating the ordinary world of our experience. And embedded in this implicate order is the superimplicate order, a vast — in fact infinite — information field, a protointelligence organizing and directing the energy of the implicate order and enfolded within it. From the implicate and superimplicate orders (of which there are an infinite number in an infinite array or spectrum) is derived the manifest world of our experience. The world appears solid and three-dimensional, but, because it is born of the implicate and superimplicate orders, it really pulsates with intelligence that is nonlocal — everywhere at once — and that holds all of time in a co-present fashion. Since hierarchies, structures, and grids — not to mention years, days, and minutes — don't exist at this level of subtlety, things just are, embedded within one another, with past and future events happening now. From Your Sixth Sense: Unlocking the Power of Your Intuition (pages 96-102) Belleruth Naparstek now that's science! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Ever notice that there are times when you feel as if time stands > still? Time seems to stand still during the exquisite moments of our > lives: when we see a breathtaking sunset or bask in the glow of > completing a project or watching a child at play. Have you noticed > that time seems more expansive when you are vacation? Can time, as we > understand it, collapse? > > David Bohm, a theoretical physicist, suggests that time can only be > something [that] happens in the present and now, in spite of our > artificial constructs of past and future, we are really beings who > live in a lot of parallel concurrent nows. Time has no beginning and > " the past " is actually concurrent with now. > > Bohm's central thesis is that the world and everything in it is a vast > ocean of energy. What we perceive as separate parts — you, me, the > chair, the dog, the trees, the air we breathe, the atmosphere > surrounding the planet, and the stars in the next galaxy — are all > part of a seamless whole (holomovement) that is pulsing with life and > intelligence. He calls his ocean of living energy the implicate order > because it cannot be seen or measured, except mathematically, only > inferred. > > Organizing this high-energy pool into various structures is the > superimplicate order, a superinformation field that surrounds, > interpenetrates, and underlies the implicate order, directing its > unfolding into the relatively stable forms we perceive with our > everyday senses — the stuff of the world as we know it (the explicate > order). In this sea of pure energy, there are no particles, no space > or time. > > Space and time are properties of the three-dimensional world of the > explicate order. By the rules of quantum mechanics, space and time > cannot exist without someone there to measure them. > > We inhabit a universe that is a seamless, coherent whole. The > separation of objects is an attribute of the explicit order, as are > space and time. We actually inhabit a universe where every point is > interpenetrated by every other point. > > This universe is made up of the implicate order, a vast ocean of > living, conscious, intelligent energy underlying, surrounding, > overlaying, and interpenetrating the ordinary world of our experience. > And embedded in this implicate order is the superimplicate order, a > vast — in fact infinite — information field, a protointelligence > organizing and directing the energy of the implicate order and > enfolded within it. From the implicate and superimplicate orders (of > which there are an infinite number in an infinite array or spectrum) > is derived the manifest world of our experience. > > The world appears solid and three-dimensional, but, because it is born > of the implicate and superimplicate orders, it really pulsates with > intelligence that is nonlocal — everywhere at once — and that holds > all of time in a co-present fashion. Since hierarchies, structures, > and grids — not to mention years, days, and minutes — don't exist at > this level of subtlety, things just are, embedded within one another, > with past and future events happening now. > > > From Your Sixth Sense: Unlocking the Power of Your Intuition > > (pages 96-102) > > Belleruth Naparstek > > > now that's science! > > .b b.b. > funny yeah? we see the aging process as proof of time, but it is such an illusion. the birth and death of human is no differant than that of an ant's life. both simply energy forms in the process of burning out. we measure this ego life in years and give it a path or a purpose we choose. but that is only mind creating. because in truth there is simply consciousness aware of itself in this moment. nothing else. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Ever notice that there are times when you feel as if time stands > > still? Time seems to stand still during the exquisite moments of our > > lives: when we see a breathtaking sunset or bask in the glow of > > completing a project or watching a child at play. Have you noticed > > that time seems more expansive when you are vacation? Can time, as > we > > understand it, collapse? > > > > David Bohm, a theoretical physicist, suggests that time can only be > > something [that] happens in the present and now, in spite of our > > artificial constructs of past and future, we are really beings who > > live in a lot of parallel concurrent nows. Time has no beginning and > > " the past " is actually concurrent with now. > > > > Bohm's central thesis is that the world and everything in it is a > vast > > ocean of energy. What we perceive as separate parts — you, me, the > > chair, the dog, the trees, the air we breathe, the atmosphere > > surrounding the planet, and the stars in the next galaxy — are all > > part of a seamless whole (holomovement) that is pulsing with life > and > > intelligence. He calls his ocean of living energy the implicate > order > > because it cannot be seen or measured, except mathematically, only > > inferred. > > > > Organizing this high-energy pool into various structures is the > > superimplicate order, a superinformation field that surrounds, > > interpenetrates, and underlies the implicate order, directing its > > unfolding into the relatively stable forms we perceive with our > > everyday senses — the stuff of the world as we know it (the > explicate > > order). In this sea of pure energy, there are no particles, no space > > or time. > > > > Space and time are properties of the three-dimensional world of the > > explicate order. By the rules of quantum mechanics, space and time > > cannot exist without someone there to measure them. > > > > We inhabit a universe that is a seamless, coherent whole. The > > separation of objects is an attribute of the explicit order, as are > > space and time. We actually inhabit a universe where every point is > > interpenetrated by every other point. > > > > This universe is made up of the implicate order, a vast ocean of > > living, conscious, intelligent energy underlying, surrounding, > > overlaying, and interpenetrating the ordinary world of our > experience. > > And embedded in this implicate order is the superimplicate order, a > > vast — in fact infinite — information field, a protointelligence > > organizing and directing the energy of the implicate order and > > enfolded within it. From the implicate and superimplicate orders (of > > which there are an infinite number in an infinite array or spectrum) > > is derived the manifest world of our experience. > > > > The world appears solid and three-dimensional, but, because it is > born > > of the implicate and superimplicate orders, it really pulsates with > > intelligence that is nonlocal — everywhere at once — and that holds > > all of time in a co-present fashion. Since hierarchies, structures, > > and grids — not to mention years, days, and minutes — don't exist at > > this level of subtlety, things just are, embedded within one > another, > > with past and future events happening now. > > > > > > From Your Sixth Sense: Unlocking the Power of Your Intuition > > > > (pages 96-102) > > > > Belleruth Naparstek > > > > > > now that's science! > > > > .b b.b. > > > funny yeah? we see the aging process as proof of time, but it is such > an illusion. > the birth and death of human is no differant than > that of an ant's life. both simply energy forms in the process of > burning out. > we measure this ego life in years and give it a path or a purpose we > choose. but that is only mind creating. > because in truth there is simply consciousness aware of itself in > this moment. nothing else. > Joe. good stuff Joe. i like your take on it. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Ever notice that there are times when you feel as if time stands > > > still? Time seems to stand still during the exquisite moments of our > > > lives: when we see a breathtaking sunset or bask in the glow of > > > completing a project or watching a child at play. Have you noticed > > > that time seems more expansive when you are vacation? Can time, as > > we > > > understand it, collapse? > > > > > > David Bohm, a theoretical physicist, suggests that time can only be > > > something [that] happens in the present and now, in spite of our > > > artificial constructs of past and future, we are really beings who > > > live in a lot of parallel concurrent nows. Time has no beginning and > > > " the past " is actually concurrent with now. > > > > > > Bohm's central thesis is that the world and everything in it is a > > vast > > > ocean of energy. What we perceive as separate parts — you, me, the > > > chair, the dog, the trees, the air we breathe, the atmosphere > > > surrounding the planet, and the stars in the next galaxy — are all > > > part of a seamless whole (holomovement) that is pulsing with life > > and > > > intelligence. He calls his ocean of living energy the implicate > > order > > > because it cannot be seen or measured, except mathematically, only > > > inferred. > > > > > > Organizing this high-energy pool into various structures is the > > > superimplicate order, a superinformation field that surrounds, > > > interpenetrates, and underlies the implicate order, directing its > > > unfolding into the relatively stable forms we perceive with our > > > everyday senses — the stuff of the world as we know it (the > > explicate > > > order). In this sea of pure energy, there are no particles, no space > > > or time. > > > > > > Space and time are properties of the three-dimensional world of the > > > explicate order. By the rules of quantum mechanics, space and time > > > cannot exist without someone there to measure them. > > > > > > We inhabit a universe that is a seamless, coherent whole. The > > > separation of objects is an attribute of the explicit order, as are > > > space and time. We actually inhabit a universe where every point is > > > interpenetrated by every other point. > > > > > > This universe is made up of the implicate order, a vast ocean of > > > living, conscious, intelligent energy underlying, surrounding, > > > overlaying, and interpenetrating the ordinary world of our > > experience. > > > And embedded in this implicate order is the superimplicate order, a > > > vast — in fact infinite — information field, a protointelligence > > > organizing and directing the energy of the implicate order and > > > enfolded within it. From the implicate and superimplicate orders (of > > > which there are an infinite number in an infinite array or spectrum) > > > is derived the manifest world of our experience. > > > > > > The world appears solid and three-dimensional, but, because it is > > born > > > of the implicate and superimplicate orders, it really pulsates with > > > intelligence that is nonlocal — everywhere at once — and that holds > > > all of time in a co-present fashion. Since hierarchies, structures, > > > and grids — not to mention years, days, and minutes — don't exist at > > > this level of subtlety, things just are, embedded within one > > another, > > > with past and future events happening now. > > > > > > > > > From Your Sixth Sense: Unlocking the Power of Your Intuition > > > > > > (pages 96-102) > > > > > > Belleruth Naparstek > > > > > > > > > now that's science! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > funny yeah? we see the aging process as proof of time, but it is such > > an illusion. > > the birth and death of human is no differant than > > that of an ant's life. both simply energy forms in the process of > > burning out. > > we measure this ego life in years and give it a path or a purpose we > > choose. but that is only mind creating. > > because in truth there is simply consciousness aware of itself in > > this moment. nothing else. > > Joe. > > > good stuff Joe. > > i like your take on it. > > .b b.b. > back at you b. you keep this forum grounded in truth,it is so refreshing. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ever notice that there are times when you feel as if time stands > > > > still? Time seems to stand still during the exquisite moments > of our > > > > lives: when we see a breathtaking sunset or bask in the glow of > > > > completing a project or watching a child at play. Have you > noticed > > > > that time seems more expansive when you are vacation? Can time, > as > > > we > > > > understand it, collapse? > > > > > > > > David Bohm, a theoretical physicist, suggests that time can > only be > > > > something [that] happens in the present and now, in spite of our > > > > artificial constructs of past and future, we are really beings > who > > > > live in a lot of parallel concurrent nows. Time has no > beginning and > > > > " the past " is actually concurrent with now. > > > > > > > > Bohm's central thesis is that the world and everything in it is > a > > > vast > > > > ocean of energy. What we perceive as separate parts — you, me, > the > > > > chair, the dog, the trees, the air we breathe, the atmosphere > > > > surrounding the planet, and the stars in the next galaxy — are > all > > > > part of a seamless whole (holomovement) that is pulsing with > life > > > and > > > > intelligence. He calls his ocean of living energy the implicate > > > order > > > > because it cannot be seen or measured, except mathematically, > only > > > > inferred. > > > > > > > > Organizing this high-energy pool into various structures is the > > > > superimplicate order, a superinformation field that surrounds, > > > > interpenetrates, and underlies the implicate order, directing > its > > > > unfolding into the relatively stable forms we perceive with our > > > > everyday senses — the stuff of the world as we know it (the > > > explicate > > > > order). In this sea of pure energy, there are no particles, no > space > > > > or time. > > > > > > > > Space and time are properties of the three-dimensional world of > the > > > > explicate order. By the rules of quantum mechanics, space and > time > > > > cannot exist without someone there to measure them. > > > > > > > > We inhabit a universe that is a seamless, coherent whole. The > > > > separation of objects is an attribute of the explicit order, as > are > > > > space and time. We actually inhabit a universe where every > point is > > > > interpenetrated by every other point. > > > > > > > > This universe is made up of the implicate order, a vast ocean of > > > > living, conscious, intelligent energy underlying, surrounding, > > > > overlaying, and interpenetrating the ordinary world of our > > > experience. > > > > And embedded in this implicate order is the superimplicate > order, a > > > > vast — in fact infinite — information field, a protointelligence > > > > organizing and directing the energy of the implicate order and > > > > enfolded within it. From the implicate and superimplicate > orders (of > > > > which there are an infinite number in an infinite array or > spectrum) > > > > is derived the manifest world of our experience. > > > > > > > > The world appears solid and three-dimensional, but, because it > is > > > born > > > > of the implicate and superimplicate orders, it really pulsates > with > > > > intelligence that is nonlocal — everywhere at once — and that > holds > > > > all of time in a co-present fashion. Since hierarchies, > structures, > > > > and grids — not to mention years, days, and minutes — don't > exist at > > > > this level of subtlety, things just are, embedded within one > > > another, > > > > with past and future events happening now. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Your Sixth Sense: Unlocking the Power of Your Intuition > > > > > > > > (pages 96-102) > > > > > > > > Belleruth Naparstek > > > > > > > > > > > > now that's science! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > funny yeah? we see the aging process as proof of time, but it is > such > > > an illusion. > > > the birth and death of human is no differant than > > > that of an ant's life. both simply energy forms in the process of > > > burning out. > > > we measure this ego life in years and give it a path or a purpose > we > > > choose. but that is only mind creating. > > > because in truth there is simply consciousness aware of itself in > > > this moment. nothing else. > > > Joe. > > > > > > good stuff Joe. > > > > i like your take on it. > > > > .b b.b. > > > back at you b. you keep this forum grounded in truth,it is so > refreshing. > Joe hey! thanks Joe! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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