Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 not to achieve enlightenment... or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. or to find happiness, peace or liberation. I have been looking for a guru who can teach me... 'how to live'. I have tried studying Tolle. He does try to tell something. According to him, we are [i am] here to bring new dimension of consciousness into this world. We are [i am] here to create " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance and enjoyment are three modes through which we could relate to this world. And, at many moment, 'what we bring into the act', what mode of consciousness we bring into the world, is more important than what we do. I have tried studying Katie and she seems to say we are not the doer, we are not the thinker, thinking just happens when we become stressful, we can investigate into our thinking to discover love again. Our true nature is love. I have tried studying Ramana. He seem to say that we should Abide as Self and Meditation is our real nature. I have tried studying Adyashanti and he seem to talk about asking every moment and asking " how can I serve enlightenment? " . I have tried studying Islam and it seems to talk about firm faith and firm discipline. I have tried studying Christianity and it seems to talk about love, forgiveness and service. I have tried studying Gita and it seems to talk about following our [my] nature and doing the right thing [what seems natural, peaceful and effortless] without any motive and without attachment to the fruits of actions. I have also tried studying Hawkins and he seems to talk about noble power and evil forces and he talks about quantum leap towards noble powers of Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love through Courage and Reason. He talks about serving the " truth " and making our [my] body [kinesiology] as the guide to decide between what is true and false. Tolle too talks about listening to the body, keeping some attention in the body and using that as a guide. Katie too talks about 'listening' to the body and to do investigation whenever we find ourselves [myself] stressed. All of these have some merits and I have tried pretty much all of them. But, I am yet to have a real, " documented " 'life philosophy' that I can [and do] religiously follow. I think I am still looking for that " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed Silent. I have asked Self, it just smiles and says it has got nothing to do with what " I " do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > try to tell something. According to > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > dimension of consciousness into this > world. We are [i am] here to create > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > and enjoyment are three modes through > which we could relate to this > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > bring into the act', what mode of > consciousness we bring into the world, > is more important than what we do. > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > seems to say we are not the doer, we > are not the thinker, thinking just > happens when we become stressful, we > can investigate into our thinking to > discover love again. Our true nature is > love. > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > to say that we should Abide as Self > and Meditation is our real nature. > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > he seem to talk about asking every > moment and asking " how can I serve > enlightenment? " . > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > discipline. > > I have tried studying Christianity and > it seems to talk about love, > forgiveness and service. > > I have tried studying Gita and it > seems to talk about following our [my] > nature and doing the right thing [what > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > without any motive and without > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > he seems to talk about noble power and > evil forces and he talks about quantum > leap towards noble powers of > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > through Courage and Reason. He talks > about serving the " truth " and making > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > guide to decide between what is true > and false. Tolle too talks about > listening to the body, keeping some > attention in the body and using that as > a guide. Katie too talks about > 'listening' to the body and to do > investigation whenever we find > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > All of these have some merits and I > have tried pretty much all of them. > But, I am yet to have a real, > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > can [and do] religiously follow. I > think I am still looking for that > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > smiles and says it has got nothing to > do with what " I " do. have you tried Hugh Hefner? ....or Alfred E. Newman? no more worries... they know how to live.. as for dying.. what a way to go! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 [...] > have you tried Hugh Hefner? Yes, I have tried that too. Not that " great " , I must say. It sounded and looked that " great " only when I saw/heard/read someone else 'doing' it! When I 'did' it, it wasn't that 'special' or 'exta ordinary' - just a dog chewing the bone, just a 'mind' imagining all sorts of 'pleasures' that it had imagined [ and taught through media] to find be there. Many times, it was just some sweat, some friction and little later a little aching back... > > ...or Alfred E. Newman? I don't know who he is. > > no more worries... > > they know how to live.. > > as for dying.. > > what a way to go! > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 [...] > I am yet to have a real, > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > can [and do] religiously follow. I > think I am still looking for that > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > smiles and says it has got nothing to > do with what " I " do. > I have asked " the world " - and, it told me one thousand things - most of them contradicting and fighting with each other. Without greed and fear, what guides the action? Without 'wanting to get something', what can act a motivator? Without a real " purpose " , what drives life? If world is ultimately not at all " real " and just a thought based imaginary creation, what is the meaning of 'service' and to whom does one 'serve'? If my spouse, my kids, my parents, my friends and everyone else have the same soul, same liberation, same happiness, same love, same joy, same completion, same freedom, same moksha, same enlightenment within; one which they can " choose " any moment, they choose... whom do I serve and what for? Isn't the concept of service too just a 'self created' 'illusion' then? I think my real problem is... I have been looking for a " God " ... yet, I have always ended up with mySelf! I have been looking for " God " who could give me 'commandments', who can decide sins and salvation, god and bad, who can tell me 'what to do'... but, I have always ended up with Self which just smiles and stays Silent. I am an uprooted 'ego' that the Self refuses to " plant " again! ....and, that doen't console me at all. My " hope " was [and is] that even after I see the [un]reality of the 'person'... I can still continue to be a " good person " . But, I have seen the reality of " good " too and I have seen how that is just " my " creation and that has left " me " [also known as 'ego'] without any " roots " . I guess I am looking for a new 'home'. PS: Who is 'your' guru? What does he/she/it tells you about... 'how to live'??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > have you tried Hugh Hefner? > > Yes, I have tried that too. > > Not that " great " , I must say. > > It sounded and looked that " great " > only when I saw/heard/read someone else 'doing' it! > When I 'did' it, it wasn't that 'special' > or 'exta ordinary' - just a dog chewing the bone, > just a 'mind' imagining all sorts of 'pleasures' > that it had imagined [ and taught through > media] to find be there. Many times, > it was just some sweat, some friction and little > later a little aching back... hmmm... Herr Freud would have a field day with that. and Niz's wife would be shocked. shocked i say! > > ...or Alfred E. Newman? > > I don't know who he is. that's ok...nobody does. you had to read mad magazine or be there i guess. Alfred was the goofy looking " what me worry? " kid. again...you gotta see it to 'get' it. let's just leave the bottom as is.... as a postscript. which said postscript is oftentimes.... the most remarkable and weighty notion.... among and within it's surroundings and interior relations... sort of in the 'midst' of it all 'thing'. ..b b.b. > > no more worries... > > > > they know how to live.. > > > > as for dying.. > > > > what a way to go! > > > > .b b.b. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 > > All of these have some merits and I > have tried pretty much all of them. > But, I am yet to have a real, > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > can [and do] religiously follow. I > think I am still looking for that > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > smiles and says it has got nothing to > do with what " I " do. > Friend, how long have hyou been watching your life? A long time? 5 years maybe? Maybe 10? And you still think you can follow anybody? Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > All of these have some merits and I > > have tried pretty much all of them. > > But, I am yet to have a real, > > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > > can [and do] religiously follow. I > > think I am still looking for that > > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > > smiles and says it has got nothing to > > do with what " I " do. > > > > Friend, how long have hyou been watching your life? A long time? 5 > years maybe? Maybe 10? And you still think you can follow anybody? You called me a 'friend', I hope you mean it What guides your actions, Tom? What guides your day? Why are you here [meaning... 'living' in the world] for... I mean other than 'being born into it'? What is your " purpose " ? What is your 'guide'? When presented with a multitude of options, on what basis, do you make a decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > try to tell something. According to > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > dimension of consciousness into this > world. We are [i am] here to create > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > and enjoyment are three modes through > which we could relate to this > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > bring into the act', what mode of > consciousness we bring into the world, > is more important than what we do. > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > seems to say we are not the doer, we > are not the thinker, thinking just > happens when we become stressful, we > can investigate into our thinking to > discover love again. Our true nature is > love. > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > to say that we should Abide as Self > and Meditation is our real nature. > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > he seem to talk about asking every > moment and asking " how can I serve > enlightenment? " . > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > discipline. > > I have tried studying Christianity and > it seems to talk about love, > forgiveness and service. > > I have tried studying Gita and it > seems to talk about following our [my] > nature and doing the right thing [what > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > without any motive and without > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > he seems to talk about noble power and > evil forces and he talks about quantum > leap towards noble powers of > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > through Courage and Reason. He talks > about serving the " truth " and making > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > guide to decide between what is true > and false. Tolle too talks about > listening to the body, keeping some > attention in the body and using that as > a guide. Katie too talks about > 'listening' to the body and to do > investigation whenever we find > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > All of these have some merits and I > have tried pretty much all of them. > But, I am yet to have a real, > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > can [and do] religiously follow. I > think I am still looking for that > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > smiles and says it has got nothing to > do with what " I " do. > " Finding the Truth " can be achieved by reading all the books from those great Teachers once again in a pitch black cellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > > try to tell something. According to > > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > > dimension of consciousness into this > > world. We are [i am] here to create > > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > > and enjoyment are three modes through > > which we could relate to this > > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > > bring into the act', what mode of > > consciousness we bring into the world, > > is more important than what we do. > > > > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > > seems to say we are not the doer, we > > are not the thinker, thinking just > > happens when we become stressful, we > > can investigate into our thinking to > > discover love again. Our true nature is > > love. > > > > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > > to say that we should Abide as Self > > and Meditation is our real nature. > > > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > > he seem to talk about asking every > > moment and asking " how can I serve > > enlightenment? " . > > > > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > > discipline. > > > > I have tried studying Christianity and > > it seems to talk about love, > > forgiveness and service. > > > > I have tried studying Gita and it > > seems to talk about following our [my] > > nature and doing the right thing [what > > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > > without any motive and without > > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > > he seems to talk about noble power and > > evil forces and he talks about quantum > > leap towards noble powers of > > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > > through Courage and Reason. He talks > > about serving the " truth " and making > > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > > guide to decide between what is true > > and false. Tolle too talks about > > listening to the body, keeping some > > attention in the body and using that as > > a guide. Katie too talks about > > 'listening' to the body and to do > > investigation whenever we find > > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > > > All of these have some merits and I > > have tried pretty much all of them. > > But, I am yet to have a real, > > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > > can [and do] religiously follow. I > > think I am still looking for that > > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > > smiles and says it has got nothing to > > do with what " I " do. > > > > " Finding the Truth " can be achieved by reading all the books from > those great Teachers once again in a pitch black cellar. how did i know that's where you must do all of your reading? home sweet home, eh sky. you've obviously learned everything you know down in there. of course that's not saying much... but than again...it says a lot. and you told us so. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 > > When presented with a multitude of options, > on what basis, do you make a decision? > I am never--and neither is anybody else--ever presented with a multitude of options--what you call options present themselves one at a time and one at a time they fall away.If one of them is acted upon, then that action arises spontaneously. /The same happens with everyone and with you too. If you look you will see.So who needs a guide?And what good would one do you if you found one. A perfect fifth wheel and nothing else. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > try to tell something. According to > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > dimension of consciousness into this > world. We are [i am] here to create > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > and enjoyment are three modes through > which we could relate to this > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > bring into the act', what mode of > consciousness we bring into the world, > is more important than what we do. > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > seems to say we are not the doer, we > are not the thinker, thinking just > happens when we become stressful, we > can investigate into our thinking to > discover love again. Our true nature is > love. > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > to say that we should Abide as Self > and Meditation is our real nature. > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > he seem to talk about asking every > moment and asking " how can I serve > enlightenment? " . > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > discipline. > > I have tried studying Christianity and > it seems to talk about love, > forgiveness and service. > > I have tried studying Gita and it > seems to talk about following our [my] > nature and doing the right thing [what > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > without any motive and without > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > he seems to talk about noble power and > evil forces and he talks about quantum > leap towards noble powers of > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > through Courage and Reason. He talks > about serving the " truth " and making > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > guide to decide between what is true > and false. Tolle too talks about > listening to the body, keeping some > attention in the body and using that as > a guide. Katie too talks about > 'listening' to the body and to do > investigation whenever we find > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > All of these have some merits and I > have tried pretty much all of them. > But, I am yet to have a real, > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > can [and do] religiously follow. I > think I am still looking for that > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > smiles and says it has got nothing to > do with what " I " do. > Looking for a guide in the path is the most important step -just as you said. The problem of not finding a guide resides in me in my arrogance. I want to have a guide or a Guru according to my standards. My Guru has to be approved by every one, he has to be a Nis or a Ramana and not Osho -for what was said about him. My Guru or guide has to be learned -by my standards- not necessarily educated with a phD, but he has to be learned. My Guru or guide cannot be a Carpenter or the milk man that delivers the milk to my door every morning. If I put aside my standards, I will stumble in my guide or my Guru. I will mention a sufi story about a man callled Al Ghazaly -a great sufi master. When Al Ghazaly was looking for guidance he kept on traveling to near by areas -he was in Egypt at that time. During his travelings he went to a small village and it was noon so he was walking on the shore of a small canal, the weather was hot and humid. AlGhazaly saw a man streching under a tree. He approached the man and asked him: Al Ghazaly: Do you happen to know a near by mosque because it is prayer time. Man: Pray here with me. They prayed their noon prayer together. Al Ghazaly noticed that the man did not pray as he was taught to pray in Al Azhar -Al Azhar is an Islamic Institute very famous and well known up till now. Al Ghazaly told the man that your prayer is not going to be accepted by God because it is not done properly according to the standards of Al Azhar. The man told him, ok. Can you show me how. Al Ghazaly showed him how. The man in return told Al Ghazaly, your experience of enlightenment will not happen here but in Mecca. Al Ghazaly: what about my guide? man: You will find him. Al Ghazaly: How will I know him. man: When you meat him and look at him in the eye fire will come out of his eyes. Al Ghazaly left to Mecca and remained for seven years, not finding anything, but has seen an enlightening experience. Al Ghazaly went back to Egypt and went to a the small village where he met the man. Al Ghazaly found the man streching under the tree. Al Ghazaly approached the man very slowly, the man could not sense that AlGhazaly was approaching. All of a sudden the man sensed that some one was approaching so he turned around all of a sudden, so he became face to face with Al Ghazaly, Al Ghazaly was taken by syeprise, their eyes met. AlChazaly saw that fire was coming out of the man's eyes. AlGhazaly new that this man is his guide. AlGhazaly: you are my guide. man: Yes. AlGhazaly: Why you did not tell me? man: You were not prepared to accept me. v h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > try to tell something. According to > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > dimension of consciousness into this > world. We are [i am] here to create > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > and enjoyment are three modes through > which we could relate to this > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > bring into the act', what mode of > consciousness we bring into the world, > is more important than what we do. > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > seems to say we are not the doer, we > are not the thinker, thinking just > happens when we become stressful, we > can investigate into our thinking to > discover love again. Our true nature is > love. > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > to say that we should Abide as Self > and Meditation is our real nature. > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > he seem to talk about asking every > moment and asking " how can I serve > enlightenment? " . > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > discipline. > > I have tried studying Christianity and > it seems to talk about love, > forgiveness and service. > > I have tried studying Gita and it > seems to talk about following our [my] > nature and doing the right thing [what > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > without any motive and without > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > he seems to talk about noble power and > evil forces and he talks about quantum > leap towards noble powers of > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > through Courage and Reason. He talks > about serving the " truth " and making > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > guide to decide between what is true > and false. Tolle too talks about > listening to the body, keeping some > attention in the body and using that as > a guide. Katie too talks about > 'listening' to the body and to do > investigation whenever we find > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > All of these have some merits and I > have tried pretty much all of them. > But, I am yet to have a real, > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > can [and do] religiously follow. I > think I am still looking for that > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > smiles and says it has got nothing to > do with what " I " do. > If one is on the spiritual quest, one can only find the guru in every person, place or thing s/he meets--has the 'experience' of. All these experiences ultimately take the seeker on " higher' spirals of truth and love until the Silent Mind awakens and the heart falls in love with its own emptiness, now the seeker re-awakens to make real his/her own 'authentic' Self. There is nothing else; this realization takes the seeker into unknown dimensions of ecstatic union with the cosmos. The 'game of god' awakening as the individuated conscious-awareness. If one is not on this quest, one finds reasons for and reasons against. Desires and aversions fill the mind and heart. This too, is a search, however, in this search nothing will be ever be 'found'. The holy grail ever out of reach. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 > > If one is on the spiritual quest, one can > only find the guru in every person, place or thing > s/he meets--has the 'experience' of. All these > experiences ultimately take the seeker on " higher' > spirals of truth and love until the Silent Mind awakens > and the heart falls in love with its own emptiness, > now the seeker re-awakens to make real his/her own > 'authentic' Self. There is nothing else; this realization > takes the seeker into unknown dimensions of ecstatic union > with the cosmos. The 'game of god' awakening as the > individuated conscious-awareness. > > If one is not on this quest, one finds reasons for and > reasons against. Desires and aversions fill the mind and > heart. This too, is a search, however, in this search nothing > will be ever be 'found'. The holy grail ever out of reach. > > > Anna > Hello Anna: You are in rare form tonight, I see, and flying high.Reading this and comparing it with the accounts I have read of certain attainees of the non-personal I can not recognize a similarity at all. They talk about crashing and burning and constant fear and apin.And UPHEAVAL.This dying of the self is a really bloody business and hurts bad.It is a real death--as in LOTS OF PAIN. Trungpa called it the ultimate disappointment.Most folks don't want that at all--they just want pink pancakes in the sky forever.haha Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > If one is on the spiritual quest, one can > > only find the guru in every person, place or thing > > s/he meets--has the 'experience' of. All these > > experiences ultimately take the seeker on " higher' > > spirals of truth and love until the Silent Mind awakens > > and the heart falls in love with its own emptiness, > > now the seeker re-awakens to make real his/her own > > 'authentic' Self. There is nothing else; this realization > > takes the seeker into unknown dimensions of ecstatic union > > with the cosmos. The 'game of god' awakening as the > > individuated conscious-awareness. > > > > If one is not on this quest, one finds reasons for and > > reasons against. Desires and aversions fill the mind and > > heart. This too, is a search, however, in this search nothing > > will be ever be 'found'. The holy grail ever out of reach. > > Th> > > > Anna > > > Hello Anna: You are in rare form tonight, I see, and flying > high.Reading this and comparing it with the accounts I have read of > certain attainees of the non-personal I can not recognize a > similarity at all. They talk about crashing and burning and constant > fear and apin.And UPHEAVAL.This dying of the self is a really bloody > business and hurts bad.It is a real death--as in LOTS OF PAIN. > Trungpa called it the ultimate disappointment.Most folks don't want > that at all--they just want pink pancakes in the sky forever.haha Z > Tom, the dark nights of the Soul IS at the beginning of every spiral. How that appears is different for every being. It's a given. And if everyone is honest in their assessment of their own lives, it is absolutely full of " crash and burn, fear and spin " . Most folks never want to go into it deeply enough and seek to anesthetize themselves. We've all been there. The Spirituality Search was one of the most difficult to 'cure'. Peace, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > > > > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > > > > > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > > > > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > > > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > > > try to tell something. According to > > > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > > > dimension of consciousness into this > > > world. We are [i am] here to create > > > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > > > and enjoyment are three modes through > > > which we could relate to this > > > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > > > bring into the act', what mode of > > > consciousness we bring into the world, > > > is more important than what we do. > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > > > seems to say we are not the doer, we > > > are not the thinker, thinking just > > > happens when we become stressful, we > > > can investigate into our thinking to > > > discover love again. Our true nature is > > > love. > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > > > to say that we should Abide as Self > > > and Meditation is our real nature. > > > > > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > > > he seem to talk about asking every > > > moment and asking " how can I serve > > > enlightenment? " . > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > > > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > > > discipline. > > > > > > I have tried studying Christianity and > > > it seems to talk about love, > > > forgiveness and service. > > > > > > I have tried studying Gita and it > > > seems to talk about following our [my] > > > nature and doing the right thing [what > > > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > > > without any motive and without > > > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > > > > > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > > > he seems to talk about noble power and > > > evil forces and he talks about quantum > > > leap towards noble powers of > > > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > > > through Courage and Reason. He talks > > > about serving the " truth " and making > > > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > > > guide to decide between what is true > > > and false. Tolle too talks about > > > listening to the body, keeping some > > > attention in the body and using that as > > > a guide. Katie too talks about > > > 'listening' to the body and to do > > > investigation whenever we find > > > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > > > > > All of these have some merits and I > > > have tried pretty much all of them. > > > But, I am yet to have a real, > > > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > > > can [and do] religiously follow. I > > > think I am still looking for that > > > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > > > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > > > smiles and says it has got nothing to > > > do with what " I " do. > > > > > > > " Finding the Truth " can be achieved by reading all the books from > > those great Teachers once again in a pitch black cellar. > > > > > > how did i know that's where you must do all of your reading? > > home sweet home, eh sky. > > you've obviously learned everything you know down in there. > > of course that's not saying much... > > but than again...it says a lot. > > and you told us so. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > Nothing is more exciting than given so much attention without a desired result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > When presented with a multitude of options, > > on what basis, do you make a decision? > > > I am never--and neither is anybody else--ever presented with a > multitude of options--what you call options present themselves one at a > time and one at a time they fall away.If one of them is acted upon, > then that action arises spontaneously. /The same happens with everyone > and with you too. If you look you will see.So who needs a guide? And > what good would one do you if you found one. A perfect fifth wheel and > nothing else. Z > Ok one more try: How do you choose between being faithful to your wife and falling for an attractive young lady who expresses immediate intimate interest in you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > > > > > > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > > > > > > > > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > > > > > > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > > > > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > > > > try to tell something. According to > > > > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > > > > dimension of consciousness into this > > > > world. We are [i am] here to create > > > > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > > > > and enjoyment are three modes through > > > > which we could relate to this > > > > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > > > > bring into the act', what mode of > > > > consciousness we bring into the world, > > > > is more important than what we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > > > > seems to say we are not the doer, we > > > > are not the thinker, thinking just > > > > happens when we become stressful, we > > > > can investigate into our thinking to > > > > discover love again. Our true nature is > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > > > > to say that we should Abide as Self > > > > and Meditation is our real nature. > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > > > > he seem to talk about asking every > > > > moment and asking " how can I serve > > > > enlightenment? " . > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > > > > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > > > > discipline. > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Christianity and > > > > it seems to talk about love, > > > > forgiveness and service. > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Gita and it > > > > seems to talk about following our [my] > > > > nature and doing the right thing [what > > > > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > > > > without any motive and without > > > > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > > > > he seems to talk about noble power and > > > > evil forces and he talks about quantum > > > > leap towards noble powers of > > > > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > > > > through Courage and Reason. He talks > > > > about serving the " truth " and making > > > > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > > > > guide to decide between what is true > > > > and false. Tolle too talks about > > > > listening to the body, keeping some > > > > attention in the body and using that as > > > > a guide. Katie too talks about > > > > 'listening' to the body and to do > > > > investigation whenever we find > > > > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > > > > > > > All of these have some merits and I > > > > have tried pretty much all of them. > > > > But, I am yet to have a real, > > > > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > > > > can [and do] religiously follow. I > > > > think I am still looking for that > > > > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > > > > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > > > > smiles and says it has got nothing to > > > > do with what " I " do. > > > > > > > > > > " Finding the Truth " can be achieved by reading all the books from > > > those great Teachers once again in a pitch black cellar. > > > > > > > > > > > > how did i know that's where you must do all of your reading? > > > > home sweet home, eh sky. > > > > you've obviously learned everything you know down in there. > > > > of course that's not saying much... > > > > but than again...it says a lot. > > > > and you told us so. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Nothing is more exciting than given so much attention without a > desired result. ROFLMAO! no no... that's exactly the result i desired. Ha ha ah haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! you're such a dummy. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > When presented with a multitude of options, > > > on what basis, do you make a decision? > > > > > I am never--and neither is anybody else--ever presented with a > > multitude of options--what you call options present themselves one > at a > > time and one at a time they fall away.If one of them is acted > upon, > > then that action arises spontaneously. /The same happens with > everyone > > and with you too. If you look you will see.So who needs a guide? > And > > what good would one do you if you found one. A perfect fifth wheel > and > > nothing else. Z > > > > > Ok one more try: > > How do you choose between being > faithful to your wife and falling > for an attractive young lady who > expresses immediate intimate > interest in you? i'm not quite sure i understand the question. but as with most questions... the answer is definitely sex. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 > > > Tom, the dark nights of the Soul IS at the beginning of every spiral. > > How that appears is different for every being. It's a given. And if > everyone is honest in their assessment of their own lives, it is > absolutely full of " crash and burn, fear and spin " . Most folks never > want to go into it deeply enough and seek to anesthetize themselves. > We've all been there. > > The Spirituality Search was one of the most difficult to 'cure'. > > Peace, > Anna >The Dark Night! God have mercy! There's a name for it then! I feel like the guy who found out what he'd been speaking all his life, just as naturally as a singing bird was, in truth, nothing less than what learned grammarians call prose! Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > > > > > > > > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > > > > > > > > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > > > > > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > > > > > try to tell something. According to > > > > > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > > > > > dimension of consciousness into this > > > > > world. We are [i am] here to create > > > > > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > > > > > and enjoyment are three modes through > > > > > which we could relate to this > > > > > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > > > > > bring into the act', what mode of > > > > > consciousness we bring into the world, > > > > > is more important than what we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > > > > > seems to say we are not the doer, we > > > > > are not the thinker, thinking just > > > > > happens when we become stressful, we > > > > > can investigate into our thinking to > > > > > discover love again. Our true nature is > > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > > > > > to say that we should Abide as Self > > > > > and Meditation is our real nature. > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > > > > > he seem to talk about asking every > > > > > moment and asking " how can I serve > > > > > enlightenment? " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > > > > > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > > > > > discipline. > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Christianity and > > > > > it seems to talk about love, > > > > > forgiveness and service. > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Gita and it > > > > > seems to talk about following our [my] > > > > > nature and doing the right thing [what > > > > > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > > > > > without any motive and without > > > > > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > > > > > he seems to talk about noble power and > > > > > evil forces and he talks about quantum > > > > > leap towards noble powers of > > > > > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > > > > > through Courage and Reason. He talks > > > > > about serving the " truth " and making > > > > > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > > > > > guide to decide between what is true > > > > > and false. Tolle too talks about > > > > > listening to the body, keeping some > > > > > attention in the body and using that as > > > > > a guide. Katie too talks about > > > > > 'listening' to the body and to do > > > > > investigation whenever we find > > > > > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > > > > > > > > > All of these have some merits and I > > > > > have tried pretty much all of them. > > > > > But, I am yet to have a real, > > > > > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > > > > > can [and do] religiously follow. I > > > > > think I am still looking for that > > > > > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > > > > > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > > > > > smiles and says it has got nothing to > > > > > do with what " I " do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Finding the Truth " can be achieved by reading all the books from > > > > those great Teachers once again in a pitch black cellar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did i know that's where you must do all of your reading? > > > > > > home sweet home, eh sky. > > > > > > you've obviously learned everything you know down in there. > > > > > > of course that's not saying much... > > > > > > but than again...it says a lot. > > > > > > and you told us so. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Nothing is more exciting than given so much attention without a > > desired result. > > > ROFLMAO! > > no no... > > that's exactly the result i desired. > > Ha ha ah haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! > > you're such a dummy. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > Sooo predictable, so primordial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > > > > > > > > > > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > > > > > > > > > > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > > > > > > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > > > > > > try to tell something. According to > > > > > > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > > > > > > dimension of consciousness into this > > > > > > world. We are [i am] here to create > > > > > > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > > > > > > and enjoyment are three modes through > > > > > > which we could relate to this > > > > > > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > > > > > > bring into the act', what mode of > > > > > > consciousness we bring into the world, > > > > > > is more important than what we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > > > > > > seems to say we are not the doer, we > > > > > > are not the thinker, thinking just > > > > > > happens when we become stressful, we > > > > > > can investigate into our thinking to > > > > > > discover love again. Our true nature is > > > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > > > > > > to say that we should Abide as Self > > > > > > and Meditation is our real nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > > > > > > he seem to talk about asking every > > > > > > moment and asking " how can I serve > > > > > > enlightenment? " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > > > > > > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > > > > > > discipline. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Christianity and > > > > > > it seems to talk about love, > > > > > > forgiveness and service. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Gita and it > > > > > > seems to talk about following our [my] > > > > > > nature and doing the right thing [what > > > > > > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > > > > > > without any motive and without > > > > > > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > > > > > > he seems to talk about noble power and > > > > > > evil forces and he talks about quantum > > > > > > leap towards noble powers of > > > > > > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > > > > > > through Courage and Reason. He talks > > > > > > about serving the " truth " and making > > > > > > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > > > > > > guide to decide between what is true > > > > > > and false. Tolle too talks about > > > > > > listening to the body, keeping some > > > > > > attention in the body and using that as > > > > > > a guide. Katie too talks about > > > > > > 'listening' to the body and to do > > > > > > investigation whenever we find > > > > > > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > All of these have some merits and I > > > > > > have tried pretty much all of them. > > > > > > But, I am yet to have a real, > > > > > > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > > > > > > can [and do] religiously follow. I > > > > > > think I am still looking for that > > > > > > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > > > > > > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > > > > > > smiles and says it has got nothing to > > > > > > do with what " I " do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Finding the Truth " can be achieved by reading all the books > from > > > > > those great Teachers once again in a pitch black cellar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did i know that's where you must do all of your reading? > > > > > > > > home sweet home, eh sky. > > > > > > > > you've obviously learned everything you know down in there. > > > > > > > > of course that's not saying much... > > > > > > > > but than again...it says a lot. > > > > > > > > and you told us so. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is more exciting than given so much attention without a > > > desired result. > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > no no... > > > > that's exactly the result i desired. > > > > Ha ha ah haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! > > > > you're such a dummy. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Sooo predictable, so primordial. sure sure skyzie. you're at a loss for words.. as usual. typical too. funny how you just say the same thing that i posted. but the upside is: that's exactly the result i desired. you can't help but expose your freeloading style. you're a begging bum that way. but sweetie...we've been over and over that one. it's inevitable that you make an ass of yourself.. over and over and over and over.. like the energizer bunny.. except i bet you have to borrow the energy too. you are such an impotent dumbass. ROFLMAO! your boss who you can't resist, ..b bobji baba (he who MUST be obeyed) heeeeee heeee!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > try to tell something. According to > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > dimension of consciousness into this > world. We are [i am] here to create > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > and enjoyment are three modes through > which we could relate to this > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > bring into the act', what mode of > consciousness we bring into the world, > is more important than what we do. > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > seems to say we are not the doer, we > are not the thinker, thinking just > happens when we become stressful, we > can investigate into our thinking to > discover love again. Our true nature is > love. > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > to say that we should Abide as Self > and Meditation is our real nature. > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > he seem to talk about asking every > moment and asking " how can I serve > enlightenment? " . > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > discipline. > > I have tried studying Christianity and > it seems to talk about love, > forgiveness and service. > > I have tried studying Gita and it > seems to talk about following our [my] > nature and doing the right thing [what > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > without any motive and without > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > he seems to talk about noble power and > evil forces and he talks about quantum > leap towards noble powers of > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > through Courage and Reason. He talks > about serving the " truth " and making > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > guide to decide between what is true > and false. Tolle too talks about > listening to the body, keeping some > attention in the body and using that as > a guide. Katie too talks about > 'listening' to the body and to do > investigation whenever we find > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > All of these have some merits and I > have tried pretty much all of them. > But, I am yet to have a real, > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > can [and do] religiously follow. I > think I am still looking for that > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > smiles and says it has got nothing to > do with what " I " do. > I cannot have a philosophy that I will apply to life. Life will always behave and act opposite my philosophy and I will suffer. I cannot make Life coform to my philosophy. I conform to Life to enjoy Peace. I cannot make Life follow me. I will follow Life. m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mourad " <mourad_shamel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > > try to tell something. According to > > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > > dimension of consciousness into this > > world. We are [i am] here to create > > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > > and enjoyment are three modes through > > which we could relate to this > > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > > bring into the act', what mode of > > consciousness we bring into the world, > > is more important than what we do. > > > > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > > seems to say we are not the doer, we > > are not the thinker, thinking just > > happens when we become stressful, we > > can investigate into our thinking to > > discover love again. Our true nature is > > love. > > > > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > > to say that we should Abide as Self > > and Meditation is our real nature. > > > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > > he seem to talk about asking every > > moment and asking " how can I serve > > enlightenment? " . > > > > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > > discipline. > > > > I have tried studying Christianity and > > it seems to talk about love, > > forgiveness and service. > > > > I have tried studying Gita and it > > seems to talk about following our [my] > > nature and doing the right thing [what > > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > > without any motive and without > > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > > he seems to talk about noble power and > > evil forces and he talks about quantum > > leap towards noble powers of > > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > > through Courage and Reason. He talks > > about serving the " truth " and making > > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > > guide to decide between what is true > > and false. Tolle too talks about > > listening to the body, keeping some > > attention in the body and using that as > > a guide. Katie too talks about > > 'listening' to the body and to do > > investigation whenever we find > > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > > > All of these have some merits and I > > have tried pretty much all of them. > > But, I am yet to have a real, > > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > > can [and do] religiously follow. I > > think I am still looking for that > > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > > smiles and says it has got nothing to > > do with what " I " do. > > > > I cannot have a philosophy that I will > > apply to life. Life will always behave and act > > opposite my philosophy and I will suffer. > > I cannot make Life coform to my > > philosophy. I conform to Life to enjoy Peace. > > I cannot make Life follow me. > > I will follow Life. > > m 'you' and 'life' are synonymous. not following nor leading. it's what it is. it blows where it will. and 'you' are that. there is no reason. philosophy, theology, and all wondering.. are phantom games. played by no one at any time or place. if a 'lifetime' were spent on these endeavors.. to what would that avail? and to or for whom? be yourself and know life. these are not two. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mourad " <mourad_shamel@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > > > > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > > > > > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > > > > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > > > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > > > try to tell something. According to > > > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > > > dimension of consciousness into this > > > world. We are [i am] here to create > > > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > > > and enjoyment are three modes through > > > which we could relate to this > > > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > > > bring into the act', what mode of > > > consciousness we bring into the world, > > > is more important than what we do. > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > > > seems to say we are not the doer, we > > > are not the thinker, thinking just > > > happens when we become stressful, we > > > can investigate into our thinking to > > > discover love again. Our true nature is > > > love. > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > > > to say that we should Abide as Self > > > and Meditation is our real nature. > > > > > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > > > he seem to talk about asking every > > > moment and asking " how can I serve > > > enlightenment? " . > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > > > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > > > discipline. > > > > > > I have tried studying Christianity and > > > it seems to talk about love, > > > forgiveness and service. > > > > > > I have tried studying Gita and it > > > seems to talk about following our [my] > > > nature and doing the right thing [what > > > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > > > without any motive and without > > > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > > > > > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > > > he seems to talk about noble power and > > > evil forces and he talks about quantum > > > leap towards noble powers of > > > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > > > through Courage and Reason. He talks > > > about serving the " truth " and making > > > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > > > guide to decide between what is true > > > and false. Tolle too talks about > > > listening to the body, keeping some > > > attention in the body and using that as > > > a guide. Katie too talks about > > > 'listening' to the body and to do > > > investigation whenever we find > > > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > > > > > All of these have some merits and I > > > have tried pretty much all of them. > > > But, I am yet to have a real, > > > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > > > can [and do] religiously follow. I > > > think I am still looking for that > > > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > > > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > > > smiles and says it has got nothing to > > > do with what " I " do. > > > > > > > I cannot have a philosophy that I will > > > > apply to life. Life will always behave and act > > > > opposite my philosophy and I will suffer. > > > > I cannot make Life coform to my > > > > philosophy. I conform to Life to enjoy Peace. > > > > I cannot make Life follow me. > > > > I will follow Life. > > > > m > > > 'you' and 'life' are synonymous. > > not following nor leading. > > it's what it is. > > it blows where it will. > > and 'you' are that. > > there is no reason. > > philosophy, theology, and all wondering.. > > are phantom games. > > played by no one at any time or place. > > if a 'lifetime' were spent on these endeavors.. > > to what would that avail? > > and to or for whom? > > be yourself and know life. > > these are not two. > > .b b.b. > True. Well said, There is only one thing Never two. but what I said was regarding the last paragraph; " All of these have some merits and I have tried pretty much all of them. But, I am yet to have a real, " documented " 'life philosophy' that I can [and do] religiously follow. I think I am still looking for that " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed Silent. I have asked Self, it just smiles and says it has got nothing to do with what " I " do. " Sometimes it is difficult -for me- to neglect the original post! Nevertheless, THERE IS ONLY ONE NEVER TWO. m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mourad " <mourad_shamel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mourad " <mourad_shamel@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to achieve enlightenment... > > > > > > > > or moksha, nirvana, salvation, heavens or mukti > > > > > > > > > > > > or to know the truth, some secret or mysteries. > > > > > > > > or to find happiness, peace or liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a guru who can > > > > teach me... 'how to live'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Tolle. He does > > > > try to tell something. According to > > > > him, we are [i am] here to bring new > > > > dimension of consciousness into this > > > > world. We are [i am] here to create > > > > " new earth " and enthusiasm, acceptance > > > > and enjoyment are three modes through > > > > which we could relate to this > > > > world. And, at many moment, 'what we > > > > bring into the act', what mode of > > > > consciousness we bring into the world, > > > > is more important than what we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Katie and she > > > > seems to say we are not the doer, we > > > > are not the thinker, thinking just > > > > happens when we become stressful, we > > > > can investigate into our thinking to > > > > discover love again. Our true nature is > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Ramana. He seem > > > > to say that we should Abide as Self > > > > and Meditation is our real nature. > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Adyashanti and > > > > he seem to talk about asking every > > > > moment and asking " how can I serve > > > > enlightenment? " . > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Islam and it > > > > seems to talk about firm faith and firm > > > > discipline. > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Christianity and > > > > it seems to talk about love, > > > > forgiveness and service. > > > > > > > > I have tried studying Gita and it > > > > seems to talk about following our [my] > > > > nature and doing the right thing [what > > > > seems natural, peaceful and effortless] > > > > without any motive and without > > > > attachment to the fruits of actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also tried studying Hawkins and > > > > he seems to talk about noble power and > > > > evil forces and he talks about quantum > > > > leap towards noble powers of > > > > Enlightenment, Peace, Joy and Love > > > > through Courage and Reason. He talks > > > > about serving the " truth " and making > > > > our [my] body [kinesiology] as the > > > > guide to decide between what is true > > > > and false. Tolle too talks about > > > > listening to the body, keeping some > > > > attention in the body and using that as > > > > a guide. Katie too talks about > > > > 'listening' to the body and to do > > > > investigation whenever we find > > > > ourselves [myself] stressed. > > > > > > > > All of these have some merits and I > > > > have tried pretty much all of them. > > > > But, I am yet to have a real, > > > > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > > > > can [and do] religiously follow. I > > > > think I am still looking for that > > > > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > > > > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > > > > smiles and says it has got nothing to > > > > do with what " I " do. > > > > > > > > > > I cannot have a philosophy that I will > > > > > > apply to life. Life will always behave and act > > > > > > opposite my philosophy and I will suffer. > > > > > > I cannot make Life coform to my > > > > > > philosophy. I conform to Life to enjoy Peace. > > > > > > I cannot make Life follow me. > > > > > > I will follow Life. > > > > > > m > > > > > > 'you' and 'life' are synonymous. > > > > not following nor leading. > > > > it's what it is. > > > > it blows where it will. > > > > and 'you' are that. > > > > there is no reason. > > > > philosophy, theology, and all wondering.. > > > > are phantom games. > > > > played by no one at any time or place. > > > > if a 'lifetime' were spent on these endeavors.. > > > > to what would that avail? > > > > and to or for whom? > > > > be yourself and know life. > > > > these are not two. > > > > .b b.b. > > > True. > > Well said, There is only one thing > > Never two. > > but what I said was regarding > > the last paragraph; > > " All of these have some merits and I > have tried pretty much all of them. > But, I am yet to have a real, > " documented " 'life philosophy' that I > can [and do] religiously follow. I > think I am still looking for that > " guru " . I have asked 'God', it stayed > Silent. I have asked Self, it just > smiles and says it has got nothing to > do with what " I " do. " > > Sometimes it is difficult -for me- > > to neglect the original post! > > Nevertheless, THERE IS ONLY ONE > > NEVER TWO. > > m i understand. i just found that the posting to which you were responding... is so self involved... that as far as actual Awareness is concerned.. it is just silly and irrelevant. your post IS relevant and not at all silly. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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