Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 From " Beyond Freedom " : Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj V: But I do not know who I am, that is my reality. M: As long as you are coming here, your search is not over. You are here because the search has not ended. Try to find out why. What is That which you are searching for? There is nothing there, only the process of seeking. You might be anybody in this world, even Brahma or Vishnu, but you do not have the power to do anything. Your life is your existence. It is made up of the five elements and it is dependent only on these five elements. Consciousness is an orphan without parents or source. It has no need of anyone. What you understand of the objective world is all duality. Your objective world is composed of relationships. You have to depend all the time on someone else – friend, husband, wife, etc. In the objective world there is only dependence, whereas in your true state there is always independence. Existence without identity, which is your true nature, is independent. The time is halfpast eleven at present, it cannot be twelve now. It will be twelve half an hour later. We don't have any control over it; the time has to pass. That means you are always dependent on something. You cannot live independently of time, space, or the elements. Everyone is helpless. Only Consciousness is independent. The state of bliss or joy is Poornabrahman or Nirvana. One who does not need anybody for entertainment is niranjan. The ever-present is nitya. That state never changes at all. As long as you are conscious of your body and its needs, you cannot be totally independent. Consciousness does not need light and it does not need darkness. It does not need rest. It is the Truth and there is no change in it. When I was young, I had the power to squeeze a piece of metal and pull it back into shape. Now I am old and require help from somebody to move around. Where has the power gone? It has not remained with me at all. All of these things in the objective world are inseparable from their attributes. An attribute by its very nature depends upon something. That knowledge, " I Am, " is also an attribute. Therefore, the " I Amness, " one way or another, also has to depend on something. " You are the Paramatma. " This is what my Guru told me when he was going into Mahasamadhi. His words had so much force that they were implanted and embedded in me, and I became That. There was so much power and force behind his utterances that whatever he said came true. V: Were you constantly doing the sacred mantra, which your Guru had given you? M: I was not doing it. I was constantly listening to it. The power of the mantra depends upon the intensity of the faith you have. V: Is there any cause for this faith? M: Yes, there is a primary cause, the big cause, which is the knowledge " I Am. " This is the cause behind the faith. The `Awareness of my Being' happened automatically. It just happens. The sprouting of this knowledge " I Am " is prior to the formation of the five elements. The Ultimate Consciousness, the Absolute, is not even aware of Itself or of any happening. Consciousness was One, but two people of different sexes were created and the love between them created this world. This sound and this awareness are not one, but two. Consciousness is just a speck, and this illusion has come out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Jeo " <josongeorge5 wrote: > > From " Beyond Freedom " : > Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > V: But I do not know who I am, that is my reality. > M: As long as you are coming here, your search is not over. > You are here because the search has not ended. Try to find > out why. What is That which you are searching for? There is > nothing there, only the process of seeking. > You might be anybody in this world, even Brahma or > Vishnu, but you do not have the power to do anything. Your > life is your existence. It is made up of the five elements and > it is dependent only on these five elements. > > Consciousness is an orphan without parents or source. > It has no need of anyone. What you understand of the > objective world is all duality. Your objective world is > composed of relationships. You have to depend all the time > on someone else – friend, husband, wife, etc. In the objective > world there is only dependence, whereas in your true state > there is always independence. Existence without identity, > which is your true nature, is independent. The time is halfpast > eleven at present, it cannot be twelve now. It will be > twelve half an hour later. We don't have any control over it; > the time has to pass. That means you are always dependent > on something. You cannot live independently of time, space, > or the elements. Everyone is helpless. Only Consciousness > is independent. > > The state of bliss or joy is Poornabrahman or Nirvana. > One who does not need anybody for entertainment is niranjan. > The ever-present is nitya. That state never changes at all. > As long as you are conscious of your body and its needs, you > cannot be totally independent. Consciousness does not need > light and it does not need darkness. It does not need rest. > It is the Truth and there is no change in it. > > When I was young, I had the power to squeeze a piece of > metal and pull it back into shape. Now I am old and require > help from somebody to move around. Where has the power > gone? It has not remained with me at all. > > All of these things in the objective world are inseparable > from their attributes. An attribute by its very nature depends > upon something. That knowledge, " I Am, " is also an attribute. > Therefore, the " I Amness, " one way or another, also has to > depend on something. > > " You are the Paramatma. " This is what my Guru told me > when he was going into Mahasamadhi. His words had so > much force that they were implanted and embedded in me, > and I became That. There was so much power and force > behind his utterances that whatever he said came true. > > V: Were you constantly doing the sacred mantra, which your Guru > had given you? > M: I was not doing it. I was constantly listening to it. The > power of the mantra depends upon the intensity of the faith > you have. > > V: Is there any cause for this faith? > M: Yes, there is a primary cause, the big cause, which is > the knowledge " I Am. " This is the cause behind the faith. > The `Awareness of my Being' happened automatically. It > just happens. The sprouting of this knowledge " I Am " is > prior to the formation of the five elements. The Ultimate > Consciousness, the Absolute, is not even aware of Itself > or of any happening. Consciousness was One, but two > people of different sexes were created and the love between > them created this world. This sound and this awareness > are not one, but two. Consciousness is just a speck, and > this illusion has come out of it. > I must read more of this book. " As long as you are coming here, your search is not over. You are here because the search has not ended. Try to find out why. What is That which you are searching for? There is nothing there, only the process of seeking " . . . What an incredible statement. " Try to find out why. " Gosh Nis, I don't know I guess cause I am too scared or because my egoic mind will have none of it. Nothing stands alone, I do not exist. .. . . " composed of relationships. You have to depend all the time > on someone else – friend, husband, wife, etc. In the objective > world there is only dependence, whereas in your true state > there is always independence. Existence without identity, > which is your true nature, is independent. Exsistence without identity. How often has that truth has been questioned on this forum? Question away to your heart's content, no sensorship intended but Nisargadatta speaks the truth that any idenity is lie. But to question that truth on a forum named in honor of Nisargadatta calls for it to be exposed as bullshit. " The Ultimate Consciousness, the Absolute, is not even aware of Itself " How could it be? The glory when ONE realizes the absolute is all there is, even the awareness of it Thanks for this quote Jeo. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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