Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " jonasabraxas " <bill wrote: > > To Naropa, Tilopa taught about the " six words of advice " . > > 1st short literal Later long explanatory Tibetan > > 1 Don't recall Let go of what has passed mi mno > 2 Don't imagine Let go of what may come mi bsam > 3 Don't think Let go of what is happening now mi shes > 4 Don't examine Don't try to figure anything out mi dpyod > 5 Don't control Don't try to make anything happen mi sgom > 6 Rest Relax, right now, and rest rang sar bzhag > when one says " do not do not certain things " like recalling and thinking and examining.etc.etc. Watch out! thaat is resistance and that is mind runamuck. Why not do whatever shows up and " practice " rule #6 exclusively? Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 > > > when one says " do not do not certain things " like recalling and > thinking and examining.etc.etc. Watch out! thaat is resistance and that > is mind runamuck. > Why not do whatever shows up and " practice " rule #6 exclusively? > Joe. > You can't even do " whatever shows up " because you are part of that which just shows up.It wuld be like telling one leaf in a stream to do something to another leaf in the stream.Hey, they are both in the same fix. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " jonasabraxas " <bill wrote: > > To Naropa, Tilopa taught about the " six words of advice " . > > 1st short literal Later long explanatory Tibetan > > 1 Don't recall Let go of what has passed mi mno > 2 Don't imagine Let go of what may come mi bsam > 3 Don't think Let go of what is happening now mi shes > 4 Don't examine Don't try to figure anything out mi dpyod > 5 Don't control Don't try to make anything happen mi sgom > 6 Rest Relax, right now, and rest rang sar bzhag > what can one possibly do...if one is really letting go of all... ....nothing ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > > when one says " do not do not certain things " like recalling and > > thinking and examining.etc.etc. Watch out! thaat is resistance and > that > > is mind runamuck. > > Why not do whatever shows up and " practice " rule #6 exclusively? > > Joe. > > > You can't even do " whatever shows up " because you are part of that > which just shows up.It wuld be like telling one leaf in a stream to do > something to another leaf in the stream.Hey, they are both in the same > fix. Z > Tom, The intent is what matters here,not the words chosen to speak that intent. " do " is duality, these bodies and minds live in duality,but that is not who you are. So, no, you are not a part,you are what shows up. You are both leaves and the stream . And you are the fix that you think you are in. Separation is illusion. Chasing that tail again. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jonasabraxas " <bill@> wrote: > > > > To Naropa, Tilopa taught about the " six words of advice " . > > > > 1st short literal Later long explanatory Tibetan > > > > 1 Don't recall Let go of what has passed mi mno > > 2 Don't imagine Let go of what may come mi bsam > > 3 Don't think Let go of what is happening now mi shes > > 4 Don't examine Don't try to figure anything out mi > dpyod > > 5 Don't control Don't try to make anything happen mi sgom > > 6 Rest Relax, right now, and rest rang sar bzhag > > > > > what can one possibly do...if one is really letting go of all... > ...nothing > ...iietsa > indeed, but you can be #6. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > when one says " do not do not certain things " like recalling and > > > thinking and examining.etc.etc. Watch out! thaat is resistance > and > > that > > > is mind runamuck. > > > Why not do whatever shows up and " practice " rule #6 exclusively? > > > Joe. > > > > > You can't even do " whatever shows up " because you are part of that > > which just shows up.It wuld be like telling one leaf in a stream to > do > > something to another leaf in the stream.Hey, they are both in the > same > > fix. Z > > > Tom, > The intent is what matters here,not the words chosen to speak that > intent. " do " is duality, these bodies and minds live in duality,but > that is not who you are. > So, no, you are not a part,you are what shows up. You are both leaves > and the stream . And you are the fix that you think you are in. > Separation is illusion. Chasing that tail again. > Joe. > What possibly is to be remembered here, is that there appears to be a certain reactivity to the 6 words of advice, like they are the 10 commandments. It is good to be doubtful about the fact advice from one person to another is not necessarily right for you, or everyone, but possibly perfect and expedient (upaya) for Naropa. Nisargadatta did not treat every one exactly the same way, or give the exact same advice, it was all just a pure expression of the non-grasping and happy in the face of the seekers of the West. The context for Naropa, is he was a University Professor who knew it all, and realized much, undefeatable in Buddhist debate about definitions. One day he was reading some scriptures and an old lady came up to him and asked if he understood what he was reading. He said yes. Then she asked if he understood the essence. He said yes, but then she started crying. It wore on Naropa for sometime, thinking about the old lady and her question, and he realized he needed a teacher, and fild a wild Yogi, Tilopa. So now possibly you understand these 6 words were excellent advice for Naropa, and upaya, or expediency, at a certain juncture. Tilopa also hit Naropa on the head with a Sandal, and he went into Samadhi, so yes, it is beyond words. Is there really any argument here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jonasabraxas " <bill@> wrote: > > > > To Naropa, Tilopa taught about the " six words of advice " . > > > > 1st short literal Later long explanatory Tibetan > > > > 1 Don't recall Let go of what has passed mi mno > > 2 Don't imagine Let go of what may come mi bsam > > 3 Don't think Let go of what is happening now mi shes > > 4 Don't examine Don't try to figure anything out mi > dpyod > > 5 Don't control Don't try to make anything happen mi sgom > > 6 Rest Relax, right now, and rest rang sar bzhag > > > > > what can one possibly do...if one is really letting go of all... > ...nothing > ...iietsa > ....so it seems, everything is in perfect working order here.... Carry on.... Ta ta. Anna (wink) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jonasabraxas " <bill@> wrote: > > > > > > To Naropa, Tilopa taught about the " six words of advice " . > > > > > > 1st short literal Later long explanatory Tibetan > > > > > > 1 Don't recall Let go of what has passed mi mno > > > 2 Don't imagine Let go of what may come mi bsam > > > 3 Don't think Let go of what is happening now mi shes > > > 4 Don't examine Don't try to figure anything out mi > > dpyod > > > 5 Don't control Don't try to make anything happen mi sgom > > > 6 Rest Relax, right now, and rest rang sar bzhag > > > > > > > > > what can one possibly do...if one is really letting go of all... > > ...nothing > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ...so it seems, everything is in perfect working order here.... Carry > on.... > > Ta ta. > > Anna > > (wink) > I say let Nis sum it up then, because you all got it bassackwards. It is not what you do, but what you stop doing that matters. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jonasabraxas " <bill@> wrote: > > > > > > > > To Naropa, Tilopa taught about the " six words of advice " . > > > > > > > > 1st short literal Later long explanatory > Tibetan > > > > > > > > 1 Don't recall Let go of what has passed mi mno > > > > 2 Don't imagine Let go of what may come mi > bsam > > > > 3 Don't think Let go of what is happening now > mi shes > > > > 4 Don't examine Don't try to figure anything out > mi > > > dpyod > > > > 5 Don't control Don't try to make anything happen > mi sgom > > > > 6 Rest Relax, right now, and rest rang > sar bzhag > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can one possibly do...if one is really letting go of all... > > > ...nothing > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > ...so it seems, everything is in perfect working order here.... > Carry > > on.... > > > > Ta ta. > > > > Anna > > > > (wink) > > > I say let Nis sum it up then, because you all got it bassackwards. > > It is not what you do, but what you stop doing that matters. > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > Gosh, thanks, I think I'm going to stop quoting others who give advice, as even a kind of way of giving advice myself, or saying that others are wrong. In fact stopping posting in internet forums is an excellent idea for me. Woops, rest, now, what idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <> > You can't even do " whatever shows up " because you are part of that > > which just shows up.It wuld be like telling one leaf in a stream to > do > > something to another leaf in the stream.Hey, they are both in the > same > > fix. Z > > > Tom, > The intent is what matters here,not the words chosen to speak that > intent. " do " is duality, these bodies and minds live in duality,but > that is not who you are. > So, no, you are not a part,you are what shows up. You are both leaves > and the stream . And you are the fix that you think you are in. > Separation is illusion. Chasing that tail again. > Joe. > Joe: the you in my post should have been enclosed in quotation marks. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <> > You can't > even do " whatever shows up " because you are part of that > > > which just shows up.It wuld be like telling one leaf in a stream to > > do > > > something to another leaf in the stream.Hey, they are both in the > > same > > > fix. Z > > > > > Tom, > > The intent is what matters here,not the words chosen to speak that > > intent. " do " is duality, these bodies and minds live in duality,but > > that is not who you are. > > So, no, you are not a part,you are what shows up. You are both leaves > > and the stream . And you are the fix that you think you are in. > > Separation is illusion. Chasing that tail again. > > Joe. > > > Joe: the you in my post should have been enclosed in quotation marks. Z > tom you ain't for real now are you? joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <> > You > can't > > even do " whatever shows up " because you are part of that > > > > which just shows up.It wuld be like telling one leaf in a > stream to > > > do > > > > something to another leaf in the stream.Hey, they are both in > the > > > same > > > > fix. Z > > > > > > > Tom, > > > The intent is what matters here,not the words chosen to speak > that > > > intent. " do " is duality, these bodies and minds live in > duality,but > > > that is not who you are. > > > So, no, you are not a part,you are what shows up. You are both > leaves > > > and the stream . And you are the fix that you think you are in. > > > Separation is illusion. Chasing that tail again. > > > Joe. > > > > > Joe: the you in my post should have been enclosed in quotation > marks. Z > > > tom > you ain't for real now are you? > joe. > Joe: When I say " you just show up like all the rest of the stuff " I mean the thought-cluster, image-cluster that most of us call by our names.If you are talking about something else when you say you, the " BIG YOU " then I want to ask: Since when have you been able to describe it?To get to know it? It is dark darkness.It is not everything because everything is the known. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <> > You > > can't > > > even do " whatever shows up " because you are part of that > > > > > which just shows up.It wuld be like telling one leaf in a > > stream to > > > > do > > > > > something to another leaf in the stream.Hey, they are both in > > the > > > > same > > > > > fix. Z > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > The intent is what matters here,not the words chosen to speak > > that > > > > intent. " do " is duality, these bodies and minds live in > > duality,but > > > > that is not who you are. > > > > So, no, you are not a part,you are what shows up. You are both > > leaves > > > > and the stream . And you are the fix that you think you are in. > > > > Separation is illusion. Chasing that tail again. > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > Joe: the you in my post should have been enclosed in quotation > > marks. Z > > > > > tom > > you ain't for real now are you? > > joe. > > > Joe: When I say " you just show up like all the rest of the stuff " I > mean the thought-cluster, image-cluster that most of us call by our > names.If you are talking about something else when you say you, > the " BIG YOU " then I want to ask: Since when have you been able to > describe it?To get to know it? It is dark darkness.It is not > everything because everything is the known. Z > Tom, you are gonna have to run that one by me again. know what? dark darkness? I do not know what you are talking about. But I do know know that everything is nothing Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Nisargadatta , " jonasabraxas " <bill wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > when one says " do not do not certain things " like recalling and > > > > thinking and examining.etc.etc. Watch out! thaat is resistance > > and > > > that > > > > is mind runamuck. > > > > Why not do whatever shows up and " practice " rule #6 exclusively? > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > You can't even do " whatever shows up " because you are part of that > > > which just shows up.It wuld be like telling one leaf in a stream to > > do > > > something to another leaf in the stream.Hey, they are both in the > > same > > > fix. Z > > > > > Tom, > > The intent is what matters here,not the words chosen to speak that > > intent. " do " is duality, these bodies and minds live in duality,but > > that is not who you are. > > So, no, you are not a part,you are what shows up. You are both leaves > > and the stream . And you are the fix that you think you are in. > > Separation is illusion. Chasing that tail again. > > Joe. > > > > What possibly is to be remembered here, is that there appears to be a > certain reactivity to the 6 words of advice, like they are the 10 > commandments. It is good to be doubtful about the fact advice from > one person to another is not necessarily right for you, or everyone, > but possibly perfect and expedient (upaya) for Naropa. > > Nisargadatta did not treat every one exactly the same way, or give the > exact same advice, it was all just a pure expression of the > non-grasping and happy in the face of the seekers of the West. > > The context for Naropa, is he was a University Professor who knew it > all, and realized much, undefeatable in Buddhist debate about > definitions. One day he was reading some scriptures and an old lady > came up to him and asked if he understood what he was reading. He > said yes. Then she asked if he understood the essence. He said yes, > but then she started crying. It wore on Naropa for sometime, thinking > about the old lady and her question, and he realized he needed a > teacher, and fild a wild Yogi, Tilopa. > > So now possibly you understand these 6 words were excellent advice for > Naropa, and upaya, or expediency, at a certain juncture. > > Tilopa also hit Naropa on the head with a Sandal, and he went into > Samadhi, so yes, it is beyond words. > > Is there really any argument here? argument? none! that sandal Tilopa used to slam Naropa's head was a special: a Designer Stuart Weitzman calls them " CINDERELLA SLIPPERS " and why not the hefty price tag of the sandals is meant for deserving celebrities or queens from fairy tails who can afford to drop $2 million, earning the pride in return for owing the world's most expensive sandals. Designer aims at delivering fantasy sandals and this one fits his collection. Tall as 4½-inch, these stiletto sandals are encrusted with 565 platinum-set Kwiat diamonds including 55 carats of clear diamonds along with a huge 5-carat stone. ...if Niropa didn't go into Samadhi with that, laughing his head off... there'd never be a more respectable moment... nor repeatable. life's beautiful that way.. and unique! it's hard to find a comparable. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jonasabraxas " <bill@> wrote: > > > > To Naropa, Tilopa taught about the " six words of advice " . > > > > 1st short literal Later long explanatory Tibetan > > > > 1 Don't recall Let go of what has passed mi mno > > 2 Don't imagine Let go of what may come mi bsam > > 3 Don't think Let go of what is happening now mi shes > > 4 Don't examine Don't try to figure anything out mi > dpyod > > 5 Don't control Don't try to make anything happen mi sgom > > 6 Rest Relax, right now, and rest rang sar bzhag > > > > > what can one possibly do...if one is really letting go of all... > ...nothing > ...iietsa > Don't ask " what can one possibly do " . Just do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " liminchangbrsn " <liminchangbrsn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jonasabraxas " <bill@> wrote: > > > > > > To Naropa, Tilopa taught about the " six words of advice " . > > > > > > 1st short literal Later long explanatory Tibetan > > > > > > 1 Don't recall Let go of what has passed mi mno > > > 2 Don't imagine Let go of what may come mi bsam > > > 3 Don't think Let go of what is happening now mi shes > > > 4 Don't examine Don't try to figure anything out mi > > dpyod > > > 5 Don't control Don't try to make anything happen mi sgom > > > 6 Rest Relax, right now, and rest rang sar bzhag > > > > > > > > > what can one possibly do...if one is really letting go of all... > > ...nothing > > ...iietsa > > > > Don't ask " what can one possibly do " . > > Just do. Done! as it always has been... as it is being done now... and... as it always will be doing. until..... time drops out along with the doer and the done-ee. that's already done and the case by any matters or minds. christus is born! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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