Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 advaitajnana , " Not Really " <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > 4th January, 1937 > > > > A disciple remarks that Sri Bhagavan often says that > > maya and Reality are the same. How can that be? > Bh. Shankara was criticised for his views on Maya without > understanding him. > > > > He said that > > (1) Brahman is real, > (2) The universe is unreal, and > > (3) Brahman is the universe. > > > > He did not stop at the second, because the third > explains the other two. It signifies that the universe is > real if perceived as the Self, and unreal if perceived apart > from the Self. Hence Maya and Reality are one and the > same. > > > > Guru Ramana - Memories & Notes, S.S. Cohen > Namaste IMHO, Yes this is true Brahman is all, but it is NirGuna Brahman that is all and the rest never happened not even the appearance, which can only come f.rom mind..........ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > advaitajnana , " Not Really " > <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > > > 4th January, 1937 > > > > > > > > A disciple remarks that Sri Bhagavan often says that > > > > maya and Reality are the same. How can that be? > > Bh. Shankara was criticised for his views on Maya without > > understanding him. > > > > > > > > He said that > > > > (1) Brahman is real, > > (2) The universe is unreal, and > > > > (3) Brahman is the universe. > > > > > > > > He did not stop at the second, because the third > > explains the other two. It signifies that the universe is > > real if perceived as the Self, and unreal if perceived apart > > from the Self. Hence Maya and Reality are one and the > > same. > > > > > > > > Guru Ramana - Memories & Notes, S.S. Cohen > > > Namaste IMHO, > > Yes this is true Brahman is all, but it is NirGuna Brahman that is > all and the rest never happened not even the appearance, which can > only come f.rom mind..........ONS...> How many Brahmans are there? Not Really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 advaitajnana , " Not Really " <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > wrote: > > > > advaitajnana , " Not Really " > > <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > > > > > 4th January, 1937 > > > > > > > > > > > > A disciple remarks that Sri Bhagavan often says that > > > > > > maya and Reality are the same. How can that be? > > > Bh. Shankara was criticised for his views on Maya without > > > understanding him. > > > > > > > > > > > > He said that > > > > > > (1) Brahman is real, > > > (2) The universe is unreal, and > > > > > > (3) Brahman is the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > He did not stop at the second, because the third > > > explains the other two. It signifies that the universe is > > > real if perceived as the Self, and unreal if perceived apart > > > from the Self. Hence Maya and Reality are one and the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru Ramana - Memories & Notes, S.S. Cohen > > > > > Namaste IMHO, > > > > Yes this is true Brahman is all, but it is NirGuna Brahman that is > > all and the rest never happened not even the appearance, which can > > only come f.rom mind..........ONS...> > > > How many Brahmans are there? > > Not Really > Namaste, There is only one Brahman ---NirGuna and that isn't...........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: advaitajnana , "Not Really" <itneverreallyhappened> wrote:>> advaitajnana , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > wrote:> >> > advaitajnana , "Not Really" > > <itneverreallyhappened> wrote:> > >> > > 4th January, 1937> > > > > > > > > > > > A disciple remarks that Sri Bhagavan often says that> > > > > > maya and Reality are the same. How can that be?> > > Bh. Shankara was criticised for his views on Maya without > > > understanding him.> > > > > > > > > > > > He said that > > > > > > (1) Brahman is real,> > > (2) The universe is unreal, and> > > > > > (3) Brahman is the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > He did not stop at the second, because the third> > > explains the other two. It signifies that the universe is> > > real if perceived as the Self, and unreal if perceived apart> > > from the Self. Hence Maya and Reality are one and the> > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > Guru Ramana - Memories & Notes, S.S. Cohen> > >> > Namaste IMHO,> > > > Yes this is true Brahman is all, but it is NirGuna Brahman that is > > all and the rest never happened not even the appearance, which can > > only come f.rom mind..........ONS...Tony> >> > How many Brahmans are there?> > Not Really>Namaste,There is only one Brahman ---NirGuna and that isn't...........TonyI see. So the Saguna Brahman that you so often write about isn't Brahman; but it is just blah, blah, blah...? Yeah? Not Really What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 advaitajnana , Not Really <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > > > Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote: --- In advaitajnana , " Not Really " > <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > > > advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > > > > advaitajnana , " Not Really " > > > <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > > > > > > > 4th January, 1937 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A disciple remarks that Sri Bhagavan often says that > > > > > > > > maya and Reality are the same. How can that be? > > > > Bh. Shankara was criticised for his views on Maya without > > > > understanding him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He said that > > > > > > > > (1) Brahman is real, > > > > (2) The universe is unreal, and > > > > > > > > (3) Brahman is the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did not stop at the second, because the third > > > > explains the other two. It signifies that the universe is > > > > real if perceived as the Self, and unreal if perceived apart > > > > from the Self. Hence Maya and Reality are one and the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru Ramana - Memories & Notes, S.S. Cohen > > > > > > > Namaste IMHO, > > > > > > Yes this is true Brahman is all, but it is NirGuna Brahman that > is > > > all and the rest never happened not even the appearance, which > can > > > only come f.rom mind..........ONS...> > > > > > > How many Brahmans are there? > > > > Not Really > > > Namaste, > > There is only one Brahman ---NirGuna and that isn't...........> > > > I see. So the Saguna Brahman that you so often write about isn't Brahman; but it is just blah, blah, blah...? Yeah? > > Not Really Namaste, Saguna Brahman or 'with attributes' is just a way of explaining the association with 'creation', so it is as real as 'Creation' which seemingly it is supposed to project---it never happened........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > advaitajnana , Not Really > <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote: --- In > advaitajnana , " Not Really " > > <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > > > > > advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " > <aoclery> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > advaitajnana , " Not Really " > > > > <itneverreallyhappened> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 4th January, 1937 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A disciple remarks that Sri Bhagavan often says that > > > > > > > > > > maya and Reality are the same. How can that be? > > > > > Bh. Shankara was criticised for his views on Maya without > > > > > understanding him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He said that > > > > > > > > > > (1) Brahman is real, > > > > > (2) The universe is unreal, and > > > > > > > > > > (3) Brahman is the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did not stop at the second, because the third > > > > > explains the other two. It signifies that the universe is > > > > > real if perceived as the Self, and unreal if perceived apart > > > > > from the Self. Hence Maya and Reality are one and the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru Ramana - Memories & Notes, S.S. Cohen > > > > > > > > > Namaste IMHO, > > > > > > > > Yes this is true Brahman is all, but it is NirGuna Brahman > that > > is > > > > all and the rest never happened not even the appearance, which > > can > > > > only come f.rom mind..........ONS...> > > > > > > > > > How many Brahmans are there? > > > > > > Not Really > > > > > Namaste, > > > > There is only one Brahman ---NirGuna and that isn't...........> > > > > > > > I see. So the Saguna Brahman that you so often write about isn't > Brahman; but it is just blah, blah, blah...? Yeah? > > > > Not Really > > Namaste, > > Saguna Brahman or 'with attributes' is just a way of explaining the > association with 'creation', so it is as real as 'Creation' which > seemingly it is supposed to project---it never happened........> Not Really It didn't really happen. Not really??? Not Really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Brahman has nothing in common with " the world " ... but all there is...and ever could appear to be....within " the world " .....is because of Brahman nothing but Brahman could be the cause of the world.... the one who live in complete harmony an peace within an appearing world (with him/herself).....know " God " ... and so is aware of Brahman or...when there is complete awareness of Brahman....then there is no more any individual being or other appearances....(even no " God " ) Marc Ps: " I am that " is one of the first steps....of such described awareness.......of a spiritual being....who wish to get out of illusions ....and therefore make some " experiences " ....and get some " understanding " ......and so on......on the path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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