Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please tell me what is > the > > false nature ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the heart of wisdom... > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > changes nothing... > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and shields... > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has been around for > aeons. > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > even the word " true " is a concept... > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and just dies... > and no more spells are there to fix... > ...iietsa > iietsa, Your original post was about true nature and not about the usage of concepts. Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how could you know that true nature. And in my understanding it is only possible because you know your false nature. And so I asked you to tell me more about your false nature. Therefore again: Please tell me more about your false nature. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 False nature is my speciality, look at all the people in the world, all are your false selves, there is but one true self, yourself. Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please tell me what is > > the > > > false nature ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the heart of wisdom... > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > changes nothing... > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and shields... > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has been around for > > aeons. > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and just dies... > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > ...iietsa > > > > > iietsa, > > Your original post was about true nature and not about the usage of > concepts. > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how could you know > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only possible because > you know your false nature. > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false nature. > > Therefore again: > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 So tell me zen, how can all the others be your wrong selves, when there is no one wrong? I quote: " you must not seek the light for it is darkness blending you, you must not seek the self, for it is a mirror blending you, instead you must seek your next, regard your next as self, and you will see how erroneus it is to believe in the self " . no machine Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > False nature is my speciality, > look at all the people in the world, > all are your false selves, > there is but one true self, > yourself. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please tell me what > is > > > the > > > > false nature ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the heart of > wisdom... > > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > > changes nothing... > > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and shields... > > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has been around > for > > > aeons. > > > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and just > dies... > > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > iietsa, > > > > Your original post was about true nature and not about the usage of > > concepts. > > > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how could you > know > > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only possible > because > > you know your false nature. > > > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false nature. > > > > Therefore again: > > > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > > > Werner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Simple ironie. Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > So tell me zen, > how can all the others be your wrong selves, > when there is no one wrong? > > I quote: > > " you must not seek the light for it is darkness blending you, you > must not seek the self, for it is a mirror blending you, instead you > must seek your next, regard your next as self, and you will see how > erroneus it is to believe in the self " . > > no machine > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > look at all the people in the world, > > all are your false selves, > > there is but one true self, > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please tell me > what > > is > > > > the > > > > > false nature ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the heart of > > wisdom... > > > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > > > changes nothing... > > > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and shields... > > > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has been > around > > for > > > > aeons. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and just > > dies... > > > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, > > > > > > Your original post was about true nature and not about the usage > of > > > concepts. > > > > > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how could you > > know > > > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only possible > > because > > > you know your false nature. > > > > > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > Therefore again: > > > > > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > So tell me zen, > how can all the others be your wrong selves, > when there is no one wrong? > > I quote: > > " you must not seek the light for it is darkness blending you, you > must not seek the self, for it is a mirror blending you, instead you > must seek your next, regard your next as self, and you will see how > erroneus it is to believe in the self " . > > no machine > Great, Zen, Tomorrow I will tell this to my grandma, she will like it because she won't understand it. But now to that " self " . What is called the self, the ego or the soul which in Greek it is called psyche. And there are professions dealing with that psyche like psychologists, psychoanalysts, psychotherapists, not to forget all those priests, reverends, bishops and popes and all those gurus and spiritual teachers. And there are also neurologists, neuropathologists, neuroscientist, neurotherapists etc. And they all believe in that self and earn money with it. Something must be wrong here. What could that be ? Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > look at all the people in the world, > > all are your false selves, > > there is but one true self, > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please tell me > what > > is > > > > the > > > > > false nature ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the heart of > > wisdom... > > > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > > > changes nothing... > > > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and shields... > > > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has been > around > > for > > > > aeons. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and just > > dies... > > > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, > > > > > > Your original post was about true nature and not about the usage > of > > > concepts. > > > > > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how could you > > know > > > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only possible > > because > > > you know your false nature. > > > > > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > Therefore again: > > > > > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> wrote: > > > > So tell me zen, > > how can all the others be your wrong selves, > > when there is no one wrong? > > > > I quote: > > > > " you must not seek the light for it is darkness blending you, you > > must not seek the self, for it is a mirror blending you, instead you > > must seek your next, regard your next as self, and you will see how > > erroneus it is to believe in the self " . > > > > no machine > > > > > Great, Zen, > > Tomorrow I will tell this to my grandma, she will like it because she > won't understand it. > > But now to that " self " . > > What is called the self, the ego or the soul which in Greek it is > called psyche. > > And there are professions dealing with that psyche like psychologists, > psychoanalysts, psychotherapists, not to forget all those priests, > reverends, bishops and popes and all those gurus and spiritual teachers. > > And there are also neurologists, neuropathologists, neuroscientist, > neurotherapists etc. And they all believe in that self and earn money > with it. > > Something must be wrong here. What could that be ? > > > > Werner easy as pie wernie poo.. what's wrong here is that you aren't funny at all. probably why you can't earn money with that self of yours too. at least the other comics you mention earn their bread. and you don't even understand their jokes. figures. LOL! ..b b.b. ....................................................................... > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > > look at all the people in the world, > > > all are your false selves, > > > there is but one true self, > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please tell me > > what > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > false nature ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the heart of > > > wisdom... > > > > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > > > > changes nothing... > > > > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and shields... > > > > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has been > > around > > > for > > > > > aeons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > > > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > > > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > > > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and just > > > dies... > > > > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, > > > > > > > > Your original post was about true nature and not about the usage > > of > > > > concepts. > > > > > > > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how could you > > > know > > > > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only possible > > > because > > > > you know your false nature. > > > > > > > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > Therefore again: > > > > > > > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 The self is wlong, the self thinks it is the self, while in fact the self is nothing but a millol. there is no difference between the self of a cow and the self of a psychopath, both are equal selves, wlong selves, both are millols, when they look in the millol, they see themselves. So the self is leally a millol. it's leally simple, look at the cow and think it is your self, than tell me, is the cow yourself, no. So why should yourself be yourself. if the cow is not. Or look at your grandma, and think she is yourself, then tell me is she yourself, no. so why should yourself be yourself, if your grandma is not. hahahah in other words, the self is not the self, as special and unique this self may appear. Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> wrote: > > > > So tell me zen, > > how can all the others be your wrong selves, > > when there is no one wrong? > > > > I quote: > > > > " you must not seek the light for it is darkness blending you, you > > must not seek the self, for it is a mirror blending you, instead you > > must seek your next, regard your next as self, and you will see how > > erroneus it is to believe in the self " . > > > > no machine > > > > > Great, Zen, > > Tomorrow I will tell this to my grandma, she will like it because she > won't understand it. > > But now to that " self " . > > What is called the self, the ego or the soul which in Greek it is > called psyche. > > And there are professions dealing with that psyche like psychologists, > psychoanalysts, psychotherapists, not to forget all those priests, > reverends, bishops and popes and all those gurus and spiritual teachers. > > And there are also neurologists, neuropathologists, neuroscientist, > neurotherapists etc. And they all believe in that self and earn money > with it. > > Something must be wrong here. What could that be ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > > look at all the people in the world, > > > all are your false selves, > > > there is but one true self, > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please tell me > > what > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > false nature ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the heart of > > > wisdom... > > > > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > > > > changes nothing... > > > > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and shields... > > > > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has been > > around > > > for > > > > > aeons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > > > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > > > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > > > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and just > > > dies... > > > > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, > > > > > > > > Your original post was about true nature and not about the usage > > of > > > > concepts. > > > > > > > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how could you > > > know > > > > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only possible > > > because > > > > you know your false nature. > > > > > > > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > Therefore again: > > > > > > > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > The self is wlong, > the self thinks it is the self, > while in fact the self is nothing but a millol. > > there is no difference between the self of a cow and the self of a > psychopath, both are equal selves, wlong selves, both are millols, > when they look in the millol, they see themselves. > > So the self is leally a millol. > > it's leally simple, look at the cow and think it is your self, > than tell me, is the cow yourself, no. > > So why should yourself be yourself. > if the cow is not. > > Or look at your grandma, and think she is yourself, > then tell me is she yourself, no. > so why should yourself be yourself, > if your grandma is not. > > > hahahah > > in other words, the self is not the self, > as special and unique this self may appear. > > You see, Zen, I love Zen because of its philosophy: If you understand Zen or not, it either will kill you or you will stay alive. Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > > > So tell me zen, > > > how can all the others be your wrong selves, > > > when there is no one wrong? > > > > > > I quote: > > > > > > " you must not seek the light for it is darkness blending you, > you > > > must not seek the self, for it is a mirror blending you, instead > you > > > must seek your next, regard your next as self, and you will see > how > > > erroneus it is to believe in the self " . > > > > > > no machine > > > > > > > > > Great, Zen, > > > > Tomorrow I will tell this to my grandma, she will like it because > she > > won't understand it. > > > > But now to that " self " . > > > > What is called the self, the ego or the soul which in Greek it is > > called psyche. > > > > And there are professions dealing with that psyche like > psychologists, > > psychoanalysts, psychotherapists, not to forget all those priests, > > reverends, bishops and popes and all those gurus and spiritual > teachers. > > > > And there are also neurologists, neuropathologists, neuroscientist, > > neurotherapists etc. And they all believe in that self and earn > money > > with it. > > > > Something must be wrong here. What could that be ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > > > look at all the people in the world, > > > > all are your false selves, > > > > there is but one true self, > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please tell me > > > what > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > false nature ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the heart of > > > > wisdom... > > > > > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > > > > > changes nothing... > > > > > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and > shields... > > > > > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has been > > > around > > > > for > > > > > > aeons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > > > > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > > > > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > > > > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and > just > > > > dies... > > > > > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, > > > > > > > > > > Your original post was about true nature and not about the > usage > > > of > > > > > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how could > you > > > > know > > > > > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only possible > > > > because > > > > > you know your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore again: > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 zen can not be killed, for I am dead already. this life is but a living dream in a dead mirror, I agree, there's no much zen in my argumentation, what is my argumentation, that we're all unique, and that in this uniqueness we're all the same. So really I want to break into your minds, into your heads, into your hearts and souls, and realize that I am you. , that you are me. Not my silly words, not my silly arguments, but the presence that dwells inside my brain, the consciousness that is looking out of these eyes. zen Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> wrote: > > > > The self is wlong, > > the self thinks it is the self, > > while in fact the self is nothing but a millol. > > > > there is no difference between the self of a cow and the self of a > > psychopath, both are equal selves, wlong selves, both are millols, > > when they look in the millol, they see themselves. > > > > So the self is leally a millol. > > > > it's leally simple, look at the cow and think it is your self, > > than tell me, is the cow yourself, no. > > > > So why should yourself be yourself. > > if the cow is not. > > > > Or look at your grandma, and think she is yourself, > > then tell me is she yourself, no. > > so why should yourself be yourself, > > if your grandma is not. > > > > > > hahahah > > > > in other words, the self is not the self, > > as special and unique this self may appear. > > > > > > > You see, Zen, > > I love Zen because of its philosophy: If you understand Zen or not, > it either will kill you or you will stay alive. > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > So tell me zen, > > > > how can all the others be your wrong selves, > > > > when there is no one wrong? > > > > > > > > I quote: > > > > > > > > " you must not seek the light for it is darkness blending you, > > you > > > > must not seek the self, for it is a mirror blending you, instead > > you > > > > must seek your next, regard your next as self, and you will see > > how > > > > erroneus it is to believe in the self " . > > > > > > > > no machine > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great, Zen, > > > > > > Tomorrow I will tell this to my grandma, she will like it because > > she > > > won't understand it. > > > > > > But now to that " self " . > > > > > > What is called the self, the ego or the soul which in Greek it is > > > called psyche. > > > > > > And there are professions dealing with that psyche like > > psychologists, > > > psychoanalysts, psychotherapists, not to forget all those priests, > > > reverends, bishops and popes and all those gurus and spiritual > > teachers. > > > > > > And there are also neurologists, neuropathologists, neuroscientist, > > > neurotherapists etc. And they all believe in that self and earn > > money > > > with it. > > > > > > Something must be wrong here. What could that be ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > > > > look at all the people in the world, > > > > > all are your false selves, > > > > > there is but one true self, > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > > > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please tell me > > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > false nature ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > > > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the heart of > > > > > wisdom... > > > > > > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > > > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > > > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > > > > > > changes nothing... > > > > > > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > > > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and > > shields... > > > > > > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has been > > > > around > > > > > for > > > > > > > aeons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > > > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > > > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > > > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > > > > > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > > > > > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > > > > > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and > > just > > > > > dies... > > > > > > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your original post was about true nature and not about the > > usage > > > > of > > > > > > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how could > > you > > > > > know > > > > > > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only possible > > > > > because > > > > > > you know your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore again: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > You see, Zen, > > I love Zen because of its philosophy: If you understand Zen or not, > it either will kill you or you will stay alive. > > Werner zen is not... nor does it have.... a 'philosophy'. you dummy! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 zen is a god and god is a mirror, and the dummy philosophy for all zen god mirrors, is simple, we all share the same identity, the identity of no one but death. Nisargadatta , "roberibus111" <Roberibus111 wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "Werner Woehr" wwoehr@ wrote:> > > You see, Zen,> > > > I love Zen because of its philosophy: If you understand Zen or not,> > it either will kill you or you will stay alive.> > > > Werner> > > > > zen is not... nor does it have.... a 'philosophy'.> > you dummy!> > .b b.b.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 that's dumb. but it probably keeps children amused. i don't think it would 'wow' them though. they'd just giggle at that. smart children! ..b b.b. ..Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > > zen is a god and god is a mirror, > and the dummy philosophy for all zen god mirrors, > is simple, we all share the same identity, > > the identity of no one but death. <http://www.lookingglasswars.com/imagination-folder/imagina3d.html> > <http://www.lookingglasswars.com/curiosity-folder/rollercoaster1.html> > <http://www.lookingglasswars.com/teaser-folder/lgw-teaser/teaser-lgw.htm\ > l> > > > > > <http://www.lookingglasswars.com/music-folder/mp3-html/source/WhoIsAlyss\ > .htm> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " wwoehr@ wrote: > > > > > You see, Zen, > > > > > > I love Zen because of its philosophy: If you understand Zen or not, > > > it either will kill you or you will stay alive. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > zen is not... nor does it have.... a 'philosophy'. > > > > you dummy! > > > > .b b.b. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > zen can not be killed, > for I am dead already. > this life is but a living dream in a dead mirror, Ok, ok, Zen, Next time you are badly suffering from tooth ache and you visit your dentist then tell him: " I know I am already dead and this life is but a living dream in a dead mirror, but I decided better to visit you and let check my aching tooth " . > I agree, there's no much zen in my argumentation, , > what is my argumentation, > that we're all unique, > and that in this uniqueness we're all the same. Sorry, but the above is just a nice popular concept, rather New Agian. But my Grandma would jubilate if you told her because she is a Christian socialist. > > So really I want to break into your minds, > into your heads, into your hearts and souls, > and realize that I am you. > > , that you are me. Be warned, if you go on telling me such pious cotton candy then I will remove you and better stay without you. > > Not my silly words, not my silly arguments, > but the presence that dwells inside my brain Surely, I believe that dwells in your mind. If I would tell you what all is dwelling in my mind, you instanty would send me to a psychiatrist. > the consciousness that is looking out of these eyes. > The seeing, the see-er and the seen is one and the same and no one and nothing is looking out of your eyes. Werner > zen > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > > > The self is wlong, > > > the self thinks it is the self, > > > while in fact the self is nothing but a millol. > > > > > > there is no difference between the self of a cow and the self of > a > > > psychopath, both are equal selves, wlong selves, both are > millols, > > > when they look in the millol, they see themselves. > > > > > > So the self is leally a millol. > > > > > > it's leally simple, look at the cow and think it is your self, > > > than tell me, is the cow yourself, no. > > > > > > So why should yourself be yourself. > > > if the cow is not. > > > > > > Or look at your grandma, and think she is yourself, > > > then tell me is she yourself, no. > > > so why should yourself be yourself, > > > if your grandma is not. > > > > > > > > > hahahah > > > > > > in other words, the self is not the self, > > > as special and unique this self may appear. > > > > > > > > > > > > You see, Zen, > > > > I love Zen because of its philosophy: If you understand Zen or not, > > it either will kill you or you will stay alive. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So tell me zen, > > > > > how can all the others be your wrong selves, > > > > > when there is no one wrong? > > > > > > > > > > I quote: > > > > > > > > > > " you must not seek the light for it is darkness blending > you, > > > you > > > > > must not seek the self, for it is a mirror blending you, > instead > > > you > > > > > must seek your next, regard your next as self, and you will > see > > > how > > > > > erroneus it is to believe in the self " . > > > > > > > > > > no machine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great, Zen, > > > > > > > > Tomorrow I will tell this to my grandma, she will like it > because > > > she > > > > won't understand it. > > > > > > > > But now to that " self " . > > > > > > > > What is called the self, the ego or the soul which in Greek it > is > > > > called psyche. > > > > > > > > And there are professions dealing with that psyche like > > > psychologists, > > > > psychoanalysts, psychotherapists, not to forget all those > priests, > > > > reverends, bishops and popes and all those gurus and spiritual > > > teachers. > > > > > > > > And there are also neurologists, neuropathologists, > neuroscientist, > > > > neurotherapists etc. And they all believe in that self and earn > > > money > > > > with it. > > > > > > > > Something must be wrong here. What could that be ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " > <zen_mirror@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > > > > > look at all the people in the world, > > > > > > all are your false selves, > > > > > > there is but one true self, > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > > > > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please > tell me > > > > > what > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > false nature ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the > heart of > > > > > > wisdom... > > > > > > > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > > > > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > > > > > > > changes nothing... > > > > > > > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > > > > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and > > > shields... > > > > > > > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has > been > > > > > around > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > aeons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > > > > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > > > > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > > > > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > > > > > > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > > > > > > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > > > > > > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and > > > just > > > > > > dies... > > > > > > > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your original post was about true nature and not about > the > > > usage > > > > > of > > > > > > > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how > could > > > you > > > > > > know > > > > > > > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only > possible > > > > > > because > > > > > > > you know your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false > nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore again: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 In that we are the same no one, nothing is seeing itself. Is your grandma online? Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> wrote: > > > > zen can not be killed, > > for I am dead already. > > this life is but a living dream in a dead mirror, > > > Ok, ok, Zen, > > Next time you are badly suffering from tooth ache and you visit your > dentist then tell him: > > " I know I am already dead and this life is but a living dream in a > dead mirror, but I decided better to visit you and let check my aching > tooth " . > > > > I agree, there's no much zen in my argumentation, , > > what is my argumentation, > > that we're all unique, > > and that in this uniqueness we're all the same. > > > Sorry, but the above is just a nice popular concept, rather New Agian. > > But my Grandma would jubilate if you told her because she is a > Christian socialist. > > > > > > So really I want to break into your minds, > > into your heads, into your hearts and souls, > > and realize that I am you. > > > > , that you are me. > > > Be warned, if you go on telling me such pious cotton candy then I will > remove you and better stay without you. > > > > > > Not my silly words, not my silly arguments, > > but the presence that dwells inside my brain > > > Surely, I believe that dwells in your mind. If I would tell you what > all is dwelling in my mind, you instanty would send me to a psychiatrist. > > > > the consciousness that is looking out of these eyes. > > > > > The seeing, the see-er and the seen is one and the same and no one and > nothing is looking out of your eyes. > > Werner > > > > zen > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The self is wlong, > > > > the self thinks it is the self, > > > > while in fact the self is nothing but a millol. > > > > > > > > there is no difference between the self of a cow and the self of > > a > > > > psychopath, both are equal selves, wlong selves, both are > > millols, > > > > when they look in the millol, they see themselves. > > > > > > > > So the self is leally a millol. > > > > > > > > it's leally simple, look at the cow and think it is your self, > > > > than tell me, is the cow yourself, no. > > > > > > > > So why should yourself be yourself. > > > > if the cow is not. > > > > > > > > Or look at your grandma, and think she is yourself, > > > > then tell me is she yourself, no. > > > > so why should yourself be yourself, > > > > if your grandma is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > hahahah > > > > > > > > in other words, the self is not the self, > > > > as special and unique this self may appear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You see, Zen, > > > > > > I love Zen because of its philosophy: If you understand Zen or not, > > > it either will kill you or you will stay alive. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So tell me zen, > > > > > > how can all the others be your wrong selves, > > > > > > when there is no one wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > I quote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " you must not seek the light for it is darkness blending > > you, > > > > you > > > > > > must not seek the self, for it is a mirror blending you, > > instead > > > > you > > > > > > must seek your next, regard your next as self, and you will > > see > > > > how > > > > > > erroneus it is to believe in the self " . > > > > > > > > > > > > no machine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great, Zen, > > > > > > > > > > Tomorrow I will tell this to my grandma, she will like it > > because > > > > she > > > > > won't understand it. > > > > > > > > > > But now to that " self " . > > > > > > > > > > What is called the self, the ego or the soul which in Greek it > > is > > > > > called psyche. > > > > > > > > > > And there are professions dealing with that psyche like > > > > psychologists, > > > > > psychoanalysts, psychotherapists, not to forget all those > > priests, > > > > > reverends, bishops and popes and all those gurus and spiritual > > > > teachers. > > > > > > > > > > And there are also neurologists, neuropathologists, > > neuroscientist, > > > > > neurotherapists etc. And they all believe in that self and earn > > > > money > > > > > with it. > > > > > > > > > > Something must be wrong here. What could that be ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " > > <zen_mirror@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > > > > > > look at all the people in the world, > > > > > > > all are your false selves, > > > > > > > there is but one true self, > > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one can never lose ones true nature... > > > > > > > > > > > just as one can never gain it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know so much about true nature then please > > tell me > > > > > > what > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > false nature ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words changes nothing... > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter if they are spoken from the > > heart of > > > > > > > wisdom... > > > > > > > > > > > or they come from the king of ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > to stick with some words or ideas... > > > > > > > > > > > as if they were better or higher... > > > > > > > > > > > changes nothing... > > > > > > > > > > > the men that holds some thoughts as higher... > > > > > > > > > > > is always ready to fight a war...with swords and > > > > shields... > > > > > > > > > > > ...and this is the army of the ignorant king has > > been > > > > > > around > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > aeons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know some swords are already swinging... > > > > > > > > > > > but there is really nothing to hit... > > > > > > > > > > > and becase there is nothing to hit... > > > > > > > > > > > what good is swords and shields... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither " true " nor " false " ... > > > > > > > > > but one could say that concepts, is the false... > > > > > > > > > even the word " true " is a concept... > > > > > > > > > when one sees this it somehow loses its magic power and > > > > just > > > > > > > dies... > > > > > > > > > and no more spells are there to fix... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your original post was about true nature and not about > > the > > > > usage > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore I wondered when you mentioned true nature how > > could > > > > you > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > that true nature. And in my understanding it is only > > possible > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > you know your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so I asked you to tell me more about your false > > nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore again: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me more about your false nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Believe it or not, it helps, to ease the pain. Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Ok, ok, Zen, > > Next time you are badly suffering from tooth ache and you visit your > dentist then tell him: > > " I know I am already dead and this life is but a living dream in a > dead mirror, but I decided better to visit you and let check my aching > tooth " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Sorry, but I could not find a single new agian who would approve of that concept. zen wrote: > > what is my argumentation, > > that we're all unique, > > and that in this uniqueness we're all the same. " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Sorry, but the above is just a nice popular concept, rather New Agian. > But my Grandma would jubilate if you told her because she is a > Christian socialist. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > Sorry, but I could not find a single new agian who would approve of > that concept. > Zen, You have to look for " rather new agaians " the you will succeed. Werner > > zen wrote: > > > > what is my argumentation, > > > that we're all unique, > > > and that in this uniqueness we're all the same. > > " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > Sorry, but the above is just a nice popular concept, rather New > Agian. > > > > > > But my Grandma would jubilate if you told her because she is a > > Christian socialist. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Werner wrote: The seeing, the see-er and the seen is one and the same and no one andnothing is looking out of your eyes. I am that nothing. Surely, I believe that dwells in your mind. If I would tell you whatall is dwelling in my mind, you instanty would send me to a psychiatrist. Nothing absolutely nothing dwells inside your mind, the same nothing that dwells in mine, the same nothing that looks out of my eyes dwells inside your mind. that nothing is consciousness that it is looking out of these my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 rather new agian sounds funny, but where to look for rather new agians? Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> wrote: > > > > Sorry, but I could not find a single new agian who would approve of > > that concept. > > > > > Zen, > > You have to look for " rather new agaians " the you will succeed. > > Werner > > > > > > zen wrote: > > > > > > what is my argumentation, > > > > that we're all unique, > > > > and that in this uniqueness we're all the same. > > > > " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > Sorry, but the above is just a nice popular concept, rather New > > Agian. > > > > > > > > > > > But my Grandma would jubilate if you told her because she is a > > > Christian socialist. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Actually I think it sounds more like a Nisargadatta prose. " You and I we are the same one, I know it and you don't that's all the difference " ... " There are no others, the others are you. " Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > rather new agian sounds funny, > but where to look for rather new agians? > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, but I could not find a single new agian who would approve > of > > > that concept. > > > > > > > > > Zen, > > > > You have to look for " rather new agaians " the you will succeed. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > zen wrote: > > > > > > > > what is my argumentation, > > > > > that we're all unique, > > > > > and that in this uniqueness we're all the same. > > > > > > " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry, but the above is just a nice popular concept, rather New > > > Agian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But my Grandma would jubilate if you told her because she is a > > > > Christian socialist. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > > Werner wrote: > > The seeing, the see-er and the seen is one and the same and no one and > nothing is looking out of your eyes. > > I am that nothing. > > Surely, I believe that dwells in your mind. If I would tell you what > all is dwelling in my mind, you instanty would send me to a > psychiatrist. > > > Nothing absolutely nothing dwells inside your mind, the same nothing > that dwells in mine, > > the same nothing that looks out of my eyes dwells inside your mind. > > that nothing is consciousness that it is looking out of these my eyes. you two don't have minds for nothing to dwell in. besides nothing doesn't dwell anywhere. jesus! use some fucking common sense. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > False nature is my speciality, > look at all the people in the world, > all are your false selves, > there is but one true self, > yourself. > > why look at all...into the false people and world ideas... why not just be who one is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > look at all the people in the world, > > all are your false selves, > > there is but one true self, > > yourself. > > > > > > why look at all...into the false people and world ideas... > why not just be who one is... who's gonna look.. and at what is it that it's gonna look at.. is the looker the looked at? if so..forget the stupid advise.. if there is 'looking'.. of any kind.. you are lost... still lost my son. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > > look at all the people in the world, > > > all are your false selves, > > > there is but one true self, > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > why look at all...into the false people and world ideas... > > why not just be who one is... > > > > > who's gonna look.. > > and at what is it that it's gonna look at.. > > is the looker the looked at? > > if so..forget the stupid advise.. > > if there is 'looking'.. > > of any kind.. > > you are lost... > > still lost my son. > > .b b.b. but then you aren't looking.. you're just 'being'.. same deal.. if you are caught up in 'being'.. you are even more lost than the 'looker'. 'being' is such a trite idea. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > False nature is my speciality, > > > look at all the people in the world, > > > all are your false selves, > > > there is but one true self, > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > why look at all...into the false people and world ideas... > > why not just be who one is... > > > > > who's gonna look.. > > and at what is it that it's gonna look at.. > > is the looker the looked at? > > if so..forget the stupid advise.. > > if there is 'looking'.. > > of any kind.. > > you are lost... > > still lost my son. > > .b b.b. > lets put it another way... why not just be who one is... and dont care at all about if there is or there is not mumbo-jumbo ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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