Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj in teaching and degree of spiritual realization. Peter Nielsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 The people on this list are my living gurus, all inclusive, wheter indian or mirrorian. zen Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen wrote: > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj in > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > Peter Nielsen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen wrote: > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj in > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > Peter Nielsen good question..... i know the teachings of Nisargadatta Maharaj.....mostly only through some of his " students/fellowers " in here..... analysing statements and words of some of this people...... one would say that Nis. is/was the ideal Guru for simple minded ego- fanatics.... but let's wait for some answers... Marc Ps: personally i don't believe that Nis. was (remaining) in love for his little imaginary self.....but for the self..... .....that self that Ramana as for example told about... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen wrote: > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj in > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > Peter Nielsen there are too many to name. and there is no one to name. you ask about yourself... wherever you are. if this were not so.. you wouldn't wonder. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > The people on this list are my living gurus, > all inclusive, wheter indian or mirrorian. > > zen who are the dead gurus? is that even a possibility? the non answer to a non question is moot and mute. reflected nowhere. there's nothing to reflect 'that' which is not. reflect on that. ..b b.b. > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen@> wrote: > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj in > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen wrote: > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj in > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > Peter Nielsen > I don't know the answer but Maharaj's student Ramesh Balsekar is still giving daily talks in Bombay. Don't expect the same style though...Ramesh's teaching is different and has its own flavor. The advaita.org site has info for the visitors: http://advaita.org/rameshadvice.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen wrote: > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj in > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > Peter Nielsen > the question is moot. prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. look within As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to awaken self, there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in anything or anybody even if it is about nothing is a lie. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen@> wrote: > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj in > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > the question is moot. > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > look within > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to awaken self, > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in anything or anybody > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > Joe. cows....and ..... trees.... ........also clouds....and birds.... .....a lie?..... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen@> > wrote: > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj > in > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > the question is moot. > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > look within > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to awaken > self, > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in anything or > anybody > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > Joe. > > > cows....and > .... > trees.... > .......also clouds....and > > birds.... > > ....a lie?..... > > > > Marc Ps: forgot to mention Gurus....and also cats.... and brothers....and... sisters... friends..... and oranges.... apples and mangos... presidents and monkeys..... and.... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen@> > wrote: > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta Maharaj > in > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > the question is moot. > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > look within > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to awaken > self, > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in anything or > anybody > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > Joe. > > > cows....and > .... > trees.... > .......also clouds....and > > birds.... > > ....a lie?..... > > > > Marc > > > what, too harsh? how about the truth once removed then? Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be the > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta > Maharaj > > in > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > look within > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to awaken > > self, > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in anything or > > anybody > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > Joe. > > > > > > cows....and > > .... > > trees.... > > .......also clouds....and > > > > birds.... > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > what, too harsh? > how about the truth once removed then? > Joe. it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own body included....and also Gurus.....included.... there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is thinking/moving mind existing.... .....always one need a " window " ....to see through the appearent world..... to see truth.... a Guru represent such window/door...... .... Marc Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within the appearence of the world.... even if it's own identity.... ..... one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in darkness..... means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the fullest..... but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... within all there is...... and ever has been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen <pnielsen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be > the > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta > > Maharaj > > > in > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > look within > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to > awaken > > > self, > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in anything or > > > anybody > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > .... > > > trees.... > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > how about the truth once removed then? > > Joe. > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own body > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is thinking/moving > mind existing.... > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the appearent > world..... > > to see truth.... > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > ... > > Marc > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within the > appearence of the world.... > > even if it's own identity.... > > .... > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in darkness..... > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the fullest..... > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > within all there is...... > > and ever has been > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not precise. . .my bsd. perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real. the guru can take you to the edge but no further. I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion to play out as it will. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > <pnielsen@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be > > the > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta > > > Maharaj > > > > in > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > > look within > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to > > awaken > > > > self, > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in anything > or > > > > anybody > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > .... > > > > trees.... > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own > body > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is thinking/moving > > mind existing.... > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the appearent > > world..... > > > > to see truth.... > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > ... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within the > > appearence of the world.... > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > .... > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > darkness..... > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the fullest..... > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > within all there is...... > > > > and ever has been > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > precise. . .my bsd. > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real. > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > to play out as it will. > Joe > P.S. that way both pain and pleaure can be embraced. pain is not something to be resisted or tolerated. and pleasure is not something to be sought what a relief! Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > <pnielsen@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be > > the > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta > > > Maharaj > > > > in > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > > look within > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to > > awaken > > > > self, > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in anything > or > > > > anybody > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > .... > > > > trees.... > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own > body > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is thinking/moving > > mind existing.... > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the appearent > > world..... > > > > to see truth.... > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > ... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within the > > appearence of the world.... > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > .... > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > darkness..... > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the fullest..... > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > within all there is...... > > > > and ever has been > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > precise. . .my bsd. > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real. > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > to play out as it will. > Joe > yes....... " just don't believe anything as being real " .... agree with such words....in some way... ...... how far a guru can take you......that's maybe speculation only.... anyway there are no words about the (inner) transformations a guru can cause...... ...... inner peace is the playground for enjoyment....of whatever.... restless minds can never realy enjoy anything realy.....except little happiness & misery....coming and going Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to > be > > > the > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta > > > > Maharaj > > > > > in > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > > > look within > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to > > > awaken > > > > > self, > > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > anything > > or > > > > > anybody > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > > .... > > > > > trees.... > > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own > > body > > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is thinking/moving > > > mind existing.... > > > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the appearent > > > world..... > > > > > > to see truth.... > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within the > > > appearence of the world.... > > > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > darkness..... > > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the fullest..... > > > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > > > within all there is...... > > > > > > and ever has been > > > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > > precise. . .my bsd. > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real. > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > > to play out as it will. > > Joe > > > > > yes....... " just don't believe anything as being real " .... > agree with such words....in some way... > > ..... > > how far a guru can take you......that's maybe speculation only.... > > anyway there are no words about the (inner) transformations a guru > can cause...... > > ..... > > inner peace is the playground for enjoyment....of whatever.... > > restless minds can never realy enjoy anything realy.....except little > happiness & misery....coming and going > > > Marc > speculation is mind. I stumbled upon this quote from Nis that speaks to our discussion. You are not of the world, you are not even in the world. The world is not, you alone are. You create the world in your imagination like a dream. As you cannot separate the dream from yourself, so you cannot have an outer world independent of yourself. You are independent, not the world. Don't be afraid of a world you yourself have created. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider > to > > be > > > > the > > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to > Nisargadatta > > > > > Maharaj > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > > > > look within > > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed > to > > > > awaken > > > > > > self, > > > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > > anything > > > or > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > > > .... > > > > > > trees.... > > > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own > > > body > > > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is > thinking/moving > > > > mind existing.... > > > > > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the appearent > > > > world..... > > > > > > > > to see truth.... > > > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within the > > > > appearence of the world.... > > > > > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > > darkness..... > > > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the fullest..... > > > > > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > > > > > within all there is...... > > > > > > > > and ever has been > > > > > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > > > precise. . .my bsd. > > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real. > > > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > > > to play out as it will. > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > yes....... " just don't believe anything as being real " .... > > agree with such words....in some way... > > > > ..... > > > > how far a guru can take you......that's maybe speculation only.... > > > > anyway there are no words about the (inner) transformations a guru > > can cause...... > > > > ..... > > > > inner peace is the playground for enjoyment....of whatever.... > > > > restless minds can never realy enjoy anything realy.....except > little > > happiness & misery....coming and going > > > > > > Marc > > > speculation is mind. > I stumbled upon this quote from Nis that speaks to our discussion. > > You are not of the world, you are not even in the world. The world > is not, you alone are. You create the world in your imagination like > a dream. As you cannot separate the dream from yourself, so you > cannot have an outer world independent of yourself. You are > independent, not the world. Don't be afraid of a world you yourself > have created. > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > Joe. > great words indeed from Nis. but i think that some people have problems with this " you alone are " ....... what/who is meant by this " you " .....is the self...... Not the little thinking ego mind because the little thinking ego-mind is as real....as the dream of last night.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider > > to > > > be > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Maharaj > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own > guru. > > > > > > > > look within > > > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed > > to > > > > > awaken > > > > > > > self, > > > > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > > > anything > > > > or > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > trees.... > > > > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent > world.....own > > > > body > > > > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is > > thinking/moving > > > > > mind existing.... > > > > > > > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the > appearent > > > > > world..... > > > > > > > > > > to see truth.... > > > > > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within > the > > > > > appearence of the world.... > > > > > > > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > > > darkness..... > > > > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the > fullest..... > > > > > > > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > > > > > > > within all there is...... > > > > > > > > > > and ever has been > > > > > > > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > > > > precise. . .my bsd. > > > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being > real. > > > > > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > > > > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > > > > to play out as it will. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....... " just don't believe anything as being real " .... > > > agree with such words....in some way... > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > how far a guru can take you......that's maybe speculation only.... > > > > > > anyway there are no words about the (inner) transformations a > guru > > > can cause...... > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > inner peace is the playground for enjoyment....of whatever.... > > > > > > restless minds can never realy enjoy anything realy.....except > > little > > > happiness & misery....coming and going > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > speculation is mind. > > I stumbled upon this quote from Nis that speaks to our discussion. > > > > You are not of the world, you are not even in the world. The > world > > is not, you alone are. You create the world in your imagination > like > > a dream. As you cannot separate the dream from yourself, so you > > cannot have an outer world independent of yourself. You are > > independent, not the world. Don't be afraid of a world you yourself > > have created. > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > Joe. > > > > great words indeed from Nis. > > but i think that some people have problems with this " you alone > are " ....... > > what/who is meant by this " you " .....is the self...... > > Not the little thinking ego mind > > because the little thinking ego-mind is as real....as the dream of > last night.... > > > Marc > Indeed Marc one can only yield to the truth that mind will never get it because it's got you. sweet surrender. Nice chatting with self. Joe. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Hello all Although the ultimate guru is within, if it was not Nisagardatta or Sri Ramana or any other Being to show the way, we would still be wandering and wondering about what are we doing here.. I believe that without a teacher in the beginning you can not go anywhere. Just my cent of thought.. Best to all Cecilia De: Nisargadatta Para: Nisargadatta Cópia: Data: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:27:34 -0000 Assunto: Re: Living Gurus? Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" <joe.irrelevant wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "dennis_travis33" > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "dennis_travis33" > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > <pnielsen@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to be > > the > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta > > > Maharaj > > > > in > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization.> > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen> > > > > >> > > > > the question is moot.> > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > > look within> > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to > > awaken > > > > self, > > > > > there is "somebody" to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in anything > or > > > > anybody > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie.> > > > > Joe.> > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and> > > > ....> > > > trees....> > > > .......also clouds....and> > > > > > > > birds....> > > > > > > > ....a lie?.....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > >> > > >> > > what, too harsh? > > > how about the truth once removed then?> > > Joe.> > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own > body > > included....and also Gurus.....included....> > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is thinking/moving > > mind existing....> > > > ....always one need a "window"....to see through the appearent > > world.....> > > > to see truth....> > > > a Guru represent such window/door......> > > > ...> > > > Marc> > > > > > Ps: there will Always be "somebody" to "awaken"......within the > > appearence of the world....> > > > even if it's own identity....> > > > ....> > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > darkness.....> > means, to "enjoy" the illusion of the world to the fullest.....> > > > but it serve to "open the eyes".....and see oneSelf......> > > > within all there is......> > > > and ever has been> >> words can get in the way yeah? the word "remove" is not > precise. . .my bsd.> perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real.> > the guru can take you to the edge but no further.> > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion> to play out as it will.> Joe>P.S.that way both pain and pleaure can be embraced. pain is not something to be resisted or tolerated. and pleasure is not something to be soughtwhat a relief!Joe. Asuman Martone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 its the not you you..just i am...the i amness of it all not all, thisness.. dianadennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" <joe.irrelevant wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "dennis_travis33" > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "dennis_travis33" > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Nisargadatta , "dennis_travis33" > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider > to > > be > > > > the > > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to > Nisargadatta > > > > > Maharaj > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > the question is moot.> > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > > > > look within> > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed > to > > > > awaken > > > > > > self, > > > > > > > there is "somebody" to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > > anything > > > or > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie.> > > > > > > Joe.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and> > > > > > ....> > > > > > trees....> > > > > > .......also clouds....and> > > > > > > > > > > > birds....> > > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?.....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > > how about the truth once removed then?> > > > > Joe.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own > > > body > > > > included....and also Gurus.....included....> > > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is > thinking/moving > > > > mind existing....> > > > > > > > ....always one need a "window"....to see through the appearent > > > > world.....> > > > > > > > to see truth....> > > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door......> > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be "somebody" to "awaken"......within the > > > > appearence of the world....> > > > > > > > even if it's own identity....> > > > > > > > ....> > > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > > darkness.....> > > > means, to "enjoy" the illusion of the world to the fullest.....> > > > > > > > but it serve to "open the eyes".....and see oneSelf......> > > > > > > > within all there is......> > > > > > > > and ever has been> > > >> > > words can get in the way yeah? the word "remove" is not > > > precise. . .my bsd.> > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real.> > > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further.> > > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion> > > to play out as it will.> > > Joe> > >> > > > > > yes......."just don't believe anything as being real"....> > agree with such words....in some way...> > > > ......> > > > how far a guru can take you......that's maybe speculation only....> > > > anyway there are no words about the (inner) transformations a guru > > can cause......> > > > .....> > > > inner peace is the playground for enjoyment....of whatever....> > > > restless minds can never realy enjoy anything realy.....except > little > > happiness & misery....coming and going> > > > > > Marc> >> speculation is mind.> I stumbled upon this quote from Nis that speaks to our discussion.> > You are not of the world, you are not even in the world. The world > is not, you alone are. You create the world in your imagination like > a dream. As you cannot separate the dream from yourself, so you > cannot have an outer world independent of yourself. You are > independent, not the world. Don't be afraid of a world you yourself > have created. > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj> > Joe.>great words indeed from Nis.but i think that some people have problems with this "you alone are".......what/who is meant by this "you".....is the self......Not the little thinking ego mindbecause the little thinking ego-mind is as real....as the dream of last night....Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " martone " <martone wrote: > > Hello all > > Although the ultimate guru is within, if it was not Nisagardatta or Sri Ramana or any other Being to show the way, we would still be wandering and wondering about what are we doing here.. > > I believe that without a teacher in the beginning you can not go anywhere. > > Just my cent of thought.. > > Best to all > Cecilia > De:Nisargadatta > > Para:Nisargadatta > > Cópia: > > Data:Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:27:34 -0000 > > Assunto: Re: Living Gurus? > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider to > be > > > the > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to Nisargadatta > > > > Maharaj > > > > > in > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > > > look within > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed to > > > awaken > > > > > self, > > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > anything > > or > > > > > anybody > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > > .... > > > > > trees.... > > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own > > body > > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is thinking/moving > > > mind existing.... > > > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the appearent > > > world..... > > > > > > to see truth.... > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within the > > > appearence of the world.... > > > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > darkness..... > > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the fullest..... > > > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > > > within all there is...... > > > > > > and ever has been > > > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > > precise. . .my bsd. > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real. > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > > to play out as it will. > > Joe > > > P.S. > that way both pain and pleaure can be embraced. pain is not something > to be resisted or tolerated. and pleasure is not something to be > sought > what a relief! > Joe. > > > > > > Asuman Martone > where are you going? Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > > > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might > consider > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Maharaj > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own > > guru. > > > > > > > > > look within > > > > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be > needed > > > to > > > > > > awaken > > > > > > > > self, > > > > > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > > > > anything > > > > > or > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > trees.... > > > > > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent > > world.....own > > > > > body > > > > > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > > > > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is > > > thinking/moving > > > > > > mind existing.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the > > appearent > > > > > > world..... > > > > > > > > > > > > to see truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within > > the > > > > > > appearence of the world.... > > > > > > > > > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > > > > darkness..... > > > > > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the > > fullest..... > > > > > > > > > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > > > > > > > > > within all there is...... > > > > > > > > > > > > and ever has been > > > > > > > > > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > > > > > precise. . .my bsd. > > > > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being > > real. > > > > > > > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > > > > > > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > > > > > to play out as it will. > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....... " just don't believe anything as being real " .... > > > > agree with such words....in some way... > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > how far a guru can take you......that's maybe speculation > only.... > > > > > > > > anyway there are no words about the (inner) transformations a > > guru > > > > can cause...... > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > inner peace is the playground for enjoyment....of whatever.... > > > > > > > > restless minds can never realy enjoy anything realy.....except > > > little > > > > happiness & misery....coming and going > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > speculation is mind. > > > I stumbled upon this quote from Nis that speaks to our discussion. > > > > > > You are not of the world, you are not even in the world. The > > world > > > is not, you alone are. You create the world in your imagination > > like > > > a dream. As you cannot separate the dream from yourself, so you > > > cannot have an outer world independent of yourself. You are > > > independent, not the world. Don't be afraid of a world you > yourself > > > have created. > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > great words indeed from Nis. > > > > but i think that some people have problems with this " you alone > > are " ....... > > > > what/who is meant by this " you " .....is the self...... > > > > Not the little thinking ego mind > > > > because the little thinking ego-mind is as real....as the dream of > > last night.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > Indeed Marc > one can only yield to the truth that mind will never get it because > it's got you. sweet surrender. > > Nice chatting with self. > Joe. > Joe. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " martone " <martone@> wrote: > > > > Hello all > > > > Although the ultimate guru is within, if it was not Nisagardatta or > Sri Ramana or any other Being to show the way, we would still be > wandering and wondering about what are we doing here.. > > > > I believe that without a teacher in the beginning you can not go > anywhere. > > > > Just my cent of thought.. > > > > Best to all > > Cecilia > > De:Nisargadatta > > > > Para:Nisargadatta > > > > Cópia: > > > > Data:Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:27:34 -0000 > > > > Assunto: Re: Living Gurus? > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider > to > > be > > > > the > > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to > Nisargadatta > > > > > Maharaj > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > > > > look within > > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed > to > > > > awaken > > > > > > self, > > > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > > anything > > > or > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > > > .... > > > > > > trees.... > > > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own > > > body > > > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is > thinking/moving > > > > mind existing.... > > > > > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the appearent > > > > world..... > > > > > > > > to see truth.... > > > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within the > > > > appearence of the world.... > > > > > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > > darkness..... > > > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the fullest..... > > > > > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > > > > > within all there is...... > > > > > > > > and ever has been > > > > > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > > > precise. . .my bsd. > > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real. > > > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > > > to play out as it will. > > > Joe > > > > > P.S. > > that way both pain and pleaure can be embraced. pain is not > something > > to be resisted or tolerated. and pleasure is not something to be > > sought > > what a relief! > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > Asuman Martone > > > where are you going? > Joe. to be on the david letterman show.. or on a seinfeld episode. oh shit wait a second.. that was assman not asuman. forgive the interruption. but baba does know where a.m. is going. it's a devil of a place. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " martone " <martone@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello all > > > > > > Although the ultimate guru is within, if it was not Nisagardatta or > > Sri Ramana or any other Being to show the way, we would still be > > wandering and wondering about what are we doing here.. > > > > > > I believe that without a teacher in the beginning you can not go > > anywhere. > > > > > > Just my cent of thought.. > > > > > > Best to all > > > Cecilia > > > De:Nisargadatta > > > > > > Para:Nisargadatta > > > > > > Cópia: > > > > > > Data:Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:27:34 -0000 > > > > > > Assunto: Re: Living Gurus? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might consider > > to > > > be > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Maharaj > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own guru. > > > > > > > > look within > > > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be needed > > to > > > > > awaken > > > > > > > self, > > > > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > > > anything > > > > or > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > trees.... > > > > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent world.....own > > > > body > > > > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is > > thinking/moving > > > > > mind existing.... > > > > > > > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the appearent > > > > > world..... > > > > > > > > > > to see truth.... > > > > > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within the > > > > > appearence of the world.... > > > > > > > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > > > darkness..... > > > > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the fullest..... > > > > > > > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > > > > > > > within all there is...... > > > > > > > > > > and ever has been > > > > > > > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > > > > precise. . .my bsd. > > > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being real. > > > > > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > > > > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > > > > to play out as it will. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > P.S. > > > that way both pain and pleaure can be embraced. pain is not > > something > > > to be resisted or tolerated. and pleasure is not something to be > > > sought > > > what a relief! > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asuman Martone > > > > > where are you going? > > Joe. > > > to be on the david letterman show.. > > or on a seinfeld episode. > > oh shit wait a second.. > > that was assman not asuman. > > forgive the interruption. > > but baba does know where a.m. is going. > > it's a devil of a place. > > .b b.b. > LOL! But I thought you were David Letterman Me thinks that baba is home Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " martone " <martone@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello all > > > > > > > > Although the ultimate guru is within, if it was not > Nisagardatta or > > > Sri Ramana or any other Being to show the way, we would still be > > > wandering and wondering about what are we doing here.. > > > > > > > > I believe that without a teacher in the beginning you can not > go > > > anywhere. > > > > > > > > Just my cent of thought.. > > > > > > > > Best to all > > > > Cecilia > > > > De:Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Para:Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Cópia: > > > > > > > > Data:Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:27:34 -0000 > > > > > > > > Assunto: Re: Living Gurus? > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > > > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might > consider > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Maharaj > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the question is moot. > > > > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own > guru. > > > > > > > > > look within > > > > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be > needed > > > to > > > > > > awaken > > > > > > > > self, > > > > > > > > > there is " somebody " to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > > > > anything > > > > > or > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie. > > > > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > trees.... > > > > > > > > .......also clouds....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > > > > how about the truth once removed then? > > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent > world.....own > > > > > body > > > > > > included....and also Gurus.....included.... > > > > > > > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is > > > thinking/moving > > > > > > mind existing.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....always one need a " window " ....to see through the > appearent > > > > > > world..... > > > > > > > > > > > > to see truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door...... > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be " somebody " to " awaken " ......within > the > > > > > > appearence of the world.... > > > > > > > > > > > > even if it's own identity.... > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > > > > darkness..... > > > > > > means, to " enjoy " the illusion of the world to the > fullest..... > > > > > > > > > > > > but it serve to " open the eyes " .....and see oneSelf...... > > > > > > > > > > > > within all there is...... > > > > > > > > > > > > and ever has been > > > > > > > > > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word " remove " is not > > > > > precise. . .my bsd. > > > > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being > real. > > > > > > > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further. > > > > > > > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion > > > > > to play out as it will. > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > P.S. > > > > that way both pain and pleaure can be embraced. pain is not > > > something > > > > to be resisted or tolerated. and pleasure is not something to > be > > > > sought > > > > what a relief! > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asuman Martone > > > > > > > where are you going? > > > Joe. > > > > > > to be on the david letterman show.. > > > > or on a seinfeld episode. > > > > oh shit wait a second.. > > > > that was assman not asuman. > > > > forgive the interruption. > > > > but baba does know where a.m. is going. > > > > it's a devil of a place. > > > > .b b.b. > > > LOL! > But > I thought you were David Letterman > > Me thinks that baba is home > Joe. :-) ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 BBB The name is Asuman, really..not assman.. This kind of e-mail is the kind that dont deserve wasting time to be read. De: Nisargadatta Para: Nisargadatta Cópia: Data: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:51:48 -0000 Assunto: Re: Re: Living Gurus? Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant"<joe.irrelevant wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "roberibus111" > <Roberibus111@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant"> > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "martone" <martone@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hello all> > > > > > > > Although the ultimate guru is within, if it was not > Nisagardatta or > > > Sri Ramana or any other Being to show the way, we would still be > > > wandering and wondering about what are we doing here..> > > > > > > > I believe that without a teacher in the beginning you can not > go > > > anywhere.> > > > > > > > Just my cent of thought..> > > > > > > > Best to all> > > > Cecilia> > > > De:Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Para:Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Cópia:> > > > > > > > Data:Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:27:34 -0000> > > > > > > > Assunto: Re: Living Gurus?> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Nisargadatta , "dennis_travis33" > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "dennis_travis33" > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "joe.irrelevant" > > > > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Peter Nielsen > > > > > <pnielsen@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Just wondering who people on this list might > consider > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > living Gurus within India who are closest to > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Maharaj > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > teaching and degree of spiritual realization.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Nielsen> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the question is moot.> > > > > > > > > prapharasing a quote from Nis, you become your own > guru. > > > > > > > > > look within> > > > > > > > > As long as a guru is sought and thought to to be > needed > > > to > > > > > > awaken > > > > > > > > self, > > > > > > > > > there is "somebody" to awaken. that ain't gonna work. > > > > > > > > > a guru only points the way to nothing. a belief in > > > > anything > > > > > or > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > even if it is about nothing is a lie.> > > > > > > > > Joe.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cows....and> > > > > > > > ....> > > > > > > > trees....> > > > > > > > .......also clouds....and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a lie?.....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > what, too harsh? > > > > > > > how about the truth once removed then?> > > > > > > Joe.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's little bit difficult to remove the appearent > world.....own > > > > > body > > > > > > included....and also Gurus.....included....> > > > > > > > > > > > there will be appearent Gurus....as long there is > > > thinking/moving > > > > > > mind existing....> > > > > > > > > > > > ....always one need a "window"....to see through the > appearent > > > > > > world.....> > > > > > > > > > > > to see truth....> > > > > > > > > > > > a Guru represent such window/door......> > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: there will Always be "somebody" to "awaken"......within > the > > > > > > appearence of the world....> > > > > > > > > > > > even if it's own identity....> > > > > > > > > > > > ....> > > > > > > > > > > > one dosn't has a body, mind, intellect.....to remain in > > > > > darkness.....> > > > > > means, to "enjoy" the illusion of the world to the > fullest.....> > > > > > > > > > > > but it serve to "open the eyes".....and see oneSelf......> > > > > > > > > > > > within all there is......> > > > > > > > > > > > and ever has been> > > > > >> > > > > words can get in the way yeah? the word "remove" is not > > > > > precise. . .my bsd.> > > > > perhaps I meant to say just don't believe anything as being > real.> > > > > > > > > > the guru can take you to the edge but no further.> > > > > > > > > > I like what you say however,enjoyment is to allow the illusion> > > > > to play out as it will.> > > > > Joe> > > > >> > > > P.S.> > > > that way both pain and pleaure can be embraced. pain is not > > > something > > > > to be resisted or tolerated. and pleasure is not something to > be > > > > sought> > > > what a relief!> > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asuman Martone> > > >> > > where are you going?> > > Joe.> > > > > > to be on the david letterman show..> > > > or on a seinfeld episode.> > > > oh shit wait a second..> > > > that was assman not asuman.> > > > forgive the interruption.> > > > but baba does know where a.m. is going.> > > > it's a devil of a place.> > > > .b b.b.> >> LOL! > But> I thought you were David Letterman> > Me thinks that baba is home> Joe.:-).b b.b. 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