Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 It's a funny thing. The less mistakes matter to us, the less inclined we are to make them. Similarly, the more it doesn't matter to us if others accept us, the more likely they will. This works with illusion too. The more we realize that illusion doesn't matter, the less illusion bothers us. It's been my experience that the more I realize that illusions don't matter, the less they are a problem for me. Since illusions by definition don't exist, it's a little silly to think they can cause problems. Yet so many sincere spiritual students wage an internal warfare to get rid of things about themselves that are supposedly bad and to develop things about themselves that are supposed to be good, not realizing that the effect of all that is opposite to what they intend. Similarly, many spiritual traditions battle with illusion, considering it a blight that must be destroyed by vigilant correction. This only has the effect of making illusion seem even more real, and hence requiring yet even more intense resistance. So how can we get to the place where illusions don't matter to us any more? Easy. Simply experience what's real. The more we experience what's real, the less do illusions matter. And reality is obvious, not elusive. You can know it anytime you want to simply by turning your attention to the utterly simple fact that you exist, or as one teacher recently put it, by "plunging the arrow of your attention directly into the experience of your being." It is the most certain, self-evident, inescapable, and obvious thing you can know. There's so much wonderful spiritual baloney that simply misses the point, which is that you are what you seek. Not some highfalutin spiritual you, but the immediate, directly experienced actuality of you. Find out for yourself what you are; make it your own direct discovery, not what people say about it. It's important to discover what's true directly for ourselves, instead of believing what other's say. Even if they're right, belief can never substitute for direct experience. That's as silly as thinking a description of a watermelon can be a substitute for actually tasting one. So, anyway, by realizing that illusions don't matter, they're thereby rendered harmless, and hence nothing to be feared or resisted. In such an atmosphere, feelings can be allowed the full expression that will unravel their illusory nature; whereas hiding or withholding feelings keeps them stuck. In my experience, emotional honesty often has the effect of calling illusion's bluff. It has the effect of giving illusion enough rope to hang itself. It happens to me frequently, and did again just last night. My God what a tremendous emotional drama it was, but it's honest expression just ended up fizzling it all away, much to my relief, and surprise. Much Love, Ben Gilberti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Ben Gilberti " <b7gilberti wrote: > > > It's a funny thing. The less mistakes matter to us, the less inclined > we are to make them. Similarly, the more it doesn't matter to us if > others accept us, the more likely they will. > > > > This works with illusion too. The more we realize that illusion doesn't > matter, the less illusion bothers us. It's been my experience that the > more I realize that illusions don't matter, the less they are a problem > for me. Since illusions by definition don't exist, it's a > little silly to think they can cause problems. > > > > Yet so many sincere spiritual students wage an internal warfare to get > rid of things about themselves that are supposedly bad and to develop > things about themselves that are supposed to be good, not realizing that > the effect of all that is opposite to what they intend. > > > > Similarly, many spiritual traditions battle with illusion, considering > it a blight that must be destroyed by vigilant correction. This only has > the effect of making illusion seem even more real, and hence requiring > yet even more intense resistance. > > > > So how can we get to the place where illusions don't matter to us > any more? Easy. Simply experience what's real. The more we > experience what's real, the less do illusions matter. And reality > is obvious, not elusive. You can know it anytime you want to simply by > turning your attention to the utterly simple fact that you exist, or as > one teacher recently put it, by " plunging the arrow of your attention > directly into the experience of your being. " It is the most certain, > self-evident, inescapable, and obvious thing you can know. > > > > There's so much wonderful spiritual baloney that simply misses the > point, which is that you are what you seek. Not some highfalutin > spiritual you, but the immediate, directly experienced actuality of you. > Find out for yourself what you are; make it your own direct discovery, > not what people say about it. It's important to discover what's > true directly for ourselves, instead of believing what other's say. > Even if they're right, belief can never substitute for direct > experience. That's as silly as thinking a description of a watermelon > can be a substitute for actually tasting one. > > > > So, anyway, by realizing that illusions don't matter, they're thereby > rendered harmless, and hence nothing to be feared or resisted. In such > an atmosphere, feelings can be allowed the full expression that will > unravel their illusory nature; whereas hiding or withholding feelings > keeps them stuck. In my experience, emotional honesty often has the > effect of calling illusion's bluff. It has the effect of giving > illusion enough rope to hang itself. It happens to me frequently, and > did again just last night. My God what a tremendous emotional drama it > was, but it's honest expression just ended up fizzling it all away, > much to my relief, and surprise. > > > > Much Love, > > > > Ben Gilberti > Amen. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Ben Gilberti " <b7gilberti@> > wrote: > > > > > > It's a funny thing. The less mistakes matter to us, the less > inclined > > we are to make them. Similarly, the more it doesn't matter to us > if > > others accept us, the more likely they will. > > > > > > > > This works with illusion too. The more we realize that illusion > doesn't > > matter, the less illusion bothers us. It's been my experience > that the > > more I realize that illusions don't matter, the less they are a > problem > > for me. Since illusions by definition don't exist, it's a > > little silly to think they can cause problems. > > > > > > > > Yet so many sincere spiritual students wage an internal warfare to > get > > rid of things about themselves that are supposedly bad and to > develop > > things about themselves that are supposed to be good, not realizing > that > > the effect of all that is opposite to what they intend. > > > > > > > > Similarly, many spiritual traditions battle with illusion, > considering > > it a blight that must be destroyed by vigilant correction. This > only has > > the effect of making illusion seem even more real, and hence > requiring > > yet even more intense resistance. > > > > > > > > So how can we get to the place where illusions don't matter to us > > any more? Easy. Simply experience what's real. The more we > > experience what's real, the less do illusions matter. And reality > > is obvious, not elusive. You can know it anytime you want to > simply by > > turning your attention to the utterly simple fact that you exist, > or as > > one teacher recently put it, by " plunging the arrow of your > attention > > directly into the experience of your being. " It is the most > certain, > > self-evident, inescapable, and obvious thing you can know. > > > > > > > > There's so much wonderful spiritual baloney that simply misses the > > point, which is that you are what you seek. Not some highfalutin > > spiritual you, but the immediate, directly experienced actuality of > you. > > Find out for yourself what you are; make it your own direct > discovery, > > not what people say about it. It's important to discover what's > > true directly for ourselves, instead of believing what other's say. > > Even if they're right, belief can never substitute for direct > > experience. That's as silly as thinking a description of a > watermelon > > can be a substitute for actually tasting one. > > > > > > > > So, anyway, by realizing that illusions don't matter, they're > thereby > > rendered harmless, and hence nothing to be feared or resisted. In > such > > an atmosphere, feelings can be allowed the full expression that will > > unravel their illusory nature; whereas hiding or withholding > feelings > > keeps them stuck. In my experience, emotional honesty often has the > > effect of calling illusion's bluff. It has the effect of giving > > illusion enough rope to hang itself. It happens to me frequently, > and > > did again just last night. My God what a tremendous emotional > drama it > > was, but it's honest expression just ended up fizzling it all away, > > much to my relief, and surprise. > > > > > > > > Much Love, > > > > > > > > Ben Gilberti > > > Amen. > Joe. > wait a minute, I jumped the gun on the amen. Ben, you speak so good. emotional honesty is the ride out. as one rides off into oblivion, illusion can come and go in being believed or not. mind can never take you out. it being an illusion of itself the heart is the key. going into the horror of being human. go where the fear is realized. brutal honesty is detachment. and nothing is left. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 > one teacher recently put it, by " plunging the arrow of your attention > directly into the experience of your being. " It's really strange, statements like this, because attention is not something you can do anything with.You are because attention plays on you like light plays on a surface.Really, the only living thing about you is attention.Attention is " your being " .So telling anyone to plunge his attention anywhere is like telling the hand to grasp itself, or the eye to see itself.But still we are told to do this and that's ok.In my heart I don't believe anyone can do anything--but if I see someone about to back into a whirling buzzsaw I will shout " Watch out! " just as though I thought he actually could act on those words.Fact is, the shout just happened--and if any action follows that will just happen too. Que vida! Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Dear Tom and Joe, Thank you very much for your kind and thoughtful replies. Let me see if I can explore this further in a way that will make it clearer and more meaningful. Let's skip that plunging arrow of attention business for the moment because it doesn't seem to be very helpful. I mentioned that reality is obvious, and that you can know it simply by experiencing it. I called attention to the fact that you are what you seek, and that you can find out for yourself what you are through your own direct discovery. Alright, but how exactly does one do that? Well, I don't know if this is the best way, but one way that works is to simply notice. That simple. Simply notice. I'll give you an example. This is certainly not the only way that noticing can unfold. It's just one example. A good way to start out is to notice that noticing is only possible because of awareness, and hence awareness itself might be wise to notice first. Usually we use our awareness to notice all manner of other things. But notice now what happens when we notice awareness itself. Notice that our awareness has no shape, no size, no extension. It doesn't really seem to be a pinpoint. And yet it doesn't' seem to have any size beyond that either. It seems to extend to whatever it is that we're aware of. Notice that it really doesn't seem to be a substance of any kind. It doesn't seem to be made of anything. And yet it is more real than substance because without it we would never be aware of substance. So it confounds the entire idea of materiality. Matter is so prominently substantial, and yet without insubstantial awareness all the substance of matter would be pointless. Notice how absolutely gentle awareness is. Unless what it is aware of has something to do with force, awareness itself is absolutely gentle. Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for everyone. Though we might think that what we're aware of might be special, awareness itself is never special. Now notice how our very existence would actually have no meaning at all were it not for the fact that we're aware of existing. Notice how we can't even be aware of anything existing without awareness because we can't be aware of anything existing without awareness, without being aware of just that. And now, notice that it actually in fact is the greatest thing we could ever know, because without it we wouldn't be able to know anything. Notice that it actually in fact is greater than any other experience we could possibly have because without it we wouldn't be able to be aware of any experience. Of all the magnificent phenomena in the entire universe. Of all the astounding miracles you could ever imagine. None is more magnificent or astounding as our own, living awareness. Just notice how much of an astounding miracle it actually is that we are aware And now notice this: Awareness is greater than anything else we could possibly know about God, because without it God wouldn't be aware of anything, which would nullify everything else about God that is grand and magnificent. Try to imagine God not being aware of His own existence. Without awareness, God would be nothing. Just notice that. So the greatest thing we can know about God is that God is awareness, because God would be nothing without awareness, just as we would. So, awareness is the one thing that is clearly essential both to us, and to God. Notice that if we weren't awareness in the first place, we couldn't imagine ourselves to be something other than awareness. We have to BE awareness before we can think we're something else. That being the case, what's the point in thinking we're something else? And now notice that there can't possibly be anything more true than awareness. Just try to imagine something that is more true than awareness. Everything we can possibly know about Truth could not be known unless there was awareness in the first place to be aware of it. So what we've noticed, then, is that Awareness is our True Identity and the only Reality. Well, that certainly is very nice, isn't it. But now what. Well, now that the value of noticing is obvious, it's a good idea to just keep doing it. As often as possible, simply notice that you exist. You'll find that if you just keep doing that, everything else will fall into place. And the nice thing about this is that nobody has to take anybody's word for it. If one just does it, they'll find out for themselves. Much Love, Ben Gilberti Nisargadatta , "tom" <jeusisbuen wrote:>> > one teacher recently put it, by "plunging the arrow of your attention> > directly into the experience of your being." > > It's really strange, statements like this, because attention is not > something you can do anything with.You are because attention plays on > you like light plays on a surface.Really, the only living thing about > you is attention.Attention is "your being".So telling anyone to plunge > his attention anywhere is like telling the hand to grasp itself, or the > eye to see itself.But still we are told to do this and that's ok.In my > heart I don't believe anyone can do anything--but if I see someone > about to back into a whirling buzzsaw I will shout "Watch out!" just as > though I thought he actually could act on those words.Fact is, the > shout just happened--and if any action follows that will just happen > too. Que vida! Z> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Ben Gilberti " <b7gilberti wrote: Dear Ben, Did you NOTICED the incoming and outgoing breath today? J > > Dear Tom and Joe, > > > > Thank you very much for your kind and thoughtful replies. Let me see if > I can explore this further in a way that will make it clearer and more > meaningful. > > > > Let's skip that plunging arrow of attention business for the moment > because it doesn't seem to be very helpful. > > > > I mentioned that reality is obvious, and that you can know it simply by > experiencing it. I called attention to the fact that you are what you > seek, and that you can find out for yourself what you are through your > own direct discovery. > > > > Alright, but how exactly does one do that? Well, I don't know if > this is the best way, but one way that works is to simply notice. That > simple. Simply notice. > > > > I'll give you an example. This is certainly not the only way that > noticing can unfold. It's just one example. > > > > A good way to start out is to notice that noticing is only possible > because of awareness, and hence awareness itself might be wise to notice > first. Usually we use our awareness to notice all manner of other > things. But notice now what happens when we notice awareness itself. > > > > Notice that our awareness has no shape, no size, no extension. It > doesn't really seem to be a pinpoint. And yet it doesn't' seem > to have any size beyond that either. It seems to extend to whatever it > is that we're aware of. > > > > Notice that it really doesn't seem to be a substance of any kind. > It doesn't seem to be made of anything. And yet it is more real > than substance because without it we would never be aware of substance. > So it confounds the entire idea of materiality. Matter is so > prominently substantial, and yet without insubstantial awareness all the > substance of matter would be pointless. > > > > Notice how absolutely gentle awareness is. Unless what it is aware of > has something to do with force, awareness itself is absolutely gentle. > > > > Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to > anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for > everyone. Though we might think that what we're aware of might be > special, awareness itself is never special. > > > > Now notice how our very existence would actually have no meaning at all > were it not for the fact that we're aware of existing. Notice how > we can't even be aware of anything existing without awareness > because we can't be aware of anything existing without awareness, > without being aware of just that. > > > > And now, notice that it actually in fact is the greatest thing we could > ever know, because without it we wouldn't be able to know anything. > Notice that it actually in fact is greater than any other experience we > could possibly have because without it we wouldn't be able to be > aware of any experience. > > > > Of all the magnificent phenomena in the entire universe. Of all the > astounding miracles you could ever imagine. None is more magnificent or > astounding as our own, living awareness. Just notice how much of an > astounding miracle it actually is that we are aware > > > > And now notice this: Awareness is greater than anything else we could > possibly know about God, because without it God wouldn't be aware of > anything, which would nullify everything else about God that is grand > and magnificent. Try to imagine God not being aware of His own > existence. Without awareness, God would be nothing. Just notice that. > > > > So the greatest thing we can know about God is that God is awareness, > because God would be nothing without awareness, just as we would. So, > awareness is the one thing that is clearly essential both to us, and to > God. > > > > Notice that if we weren't awareness in the first place, we > couldn't imagine ourselves to be something other than awareness. We > have to BE awareness before we can think we're something else. That > being the case, what's the point in thinking we're something > else? > > > > And now notice that there can't possibly be anything more true than > awareness. Just try to imagine something that is more true than > awareness. Everything we can possibly know about Truth could not be > known unless there was awareness in the first place to be aware of it. > > > > So what we've noticed, then, is that Awareness is our True Identity > and the only Reality. > > > > > > Well, that certainly is very nice, isn't it. > > > > > > But now what. > > > > > > Well, now that the value of noticing is obvious, it's a good idea to > just keep doing it. > > > > As often as possible, simply notice that you exist. > > > > You'll find that if you just keep doing that, everything else will > fall into place. > > > > And the nice thing about this is that nobody has to take anybody's word > for it. > > > > If one just does it, they'll find out for themselves. > > > > Much Love, > > > > Ben Gilberti <http://www.miraclescenter.us/gilberti.htm> > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > one teacher recently put it, by " plunging the arrow of your > attention > > > directly into the experience of your being. " > > > > It's really strange, statements like this, because attention is not > > something you can do anything with.You are because attention plays on > > you like light plays on a surface.Really, the only living thing about > > you is attention.Attention is " your being " .So telling anyone to plunge > > his attention anywhere is like telling the hand to grasp itself, or > the > > eye to see itself.But still we are told to do this and that's ok.In my > > heart I don't believe anyone can do anything--but if I see someone > > about to back into a whirling buzzsaw I will shout " Watch out! " just > as > > though I thought he actually could act on those words.Fact is, the > > shout just happened--and if any action follows that will just happen > > too. Que vida! Z > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 > So it confounds the entire idea of materiality. Matter is so > prominently substantial, and yet without insubstantial awareness all the > substance of matter would be pointless. > > > > Notice how absolutely gentle awareness is. Unless what it is aware of > has something to do with force, awareness itself is absolutely gentle. > > > > Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to > anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for > everyone. Though we might think that what we're aware of might be > special, awareness itself is never special. > > YOur whole post is excellent in the extreme.I will save it and refer back to it.It reminds me of Atmananda.It is scholasticism of the best sort.This post should be spread around. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Thank you, Tom. I'm glad you liked it. tom <jeusisbuen wrote: > So it confounds the entire idea of materiality. Matter is so> prominently substantial, and yet without insubstantial awareness all the> substance of matter would be pointless.> > > > Notice how absolutely gentle awareness is. Unless what it is aware of> has something to do with force, awareness itself is absolutely gentle.> > > > Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to> anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for> everyone. Though we might think that what we're aware of might be> special, awareness itself is never special.> > YOur whole post is excellent in the extreme.I will save it and refer back to it.It reminds me of Atmananda.It is scholasticism of the best sort.This post should be spread around. Z Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Ben Gilberti " <b7gilberti wrote: > > > Dear Tom and Joe, > > > > Thank you very much for your kind and thoughtful replies. Let me see if > I can explore this further in a way that will make it clearer and more > meaningful. > > > > Let's skip that plunging arrow of attention business for the moment > because it doesn't seem to be very helpful. > > > > I mentioned that reality is obvious, and that you can know it simply by > experiencing it. I called attention to the fact that you are what you > seek, and that you can find out for yourself what you are through your > own direct discovery. > > > > Alright, but how exactly does one do that? Well, I don't know if > this is the best way, but one way that works is to simply notice. That > simple. Simply notice. > > > > I'll give you an example. This is certainly not the only way that > noticing can unfold. It's just one example. > > > > A good way to start out is to notice that noticing is only possible > because of awareness, and hence awareness itself might be wise to notice > first. Usually we use our awareness to notice all manner of other > things. But notice now what happens when we notice awareness itself. > > > > Notice that our awareness has no shape, no size, no extension. It > doesn't really seem to be a pinpoint. And yet it doesn't' seem > to have any size beyond that either. It seems to extend to whatever it > is that we're aware of. > > > > Notice that it really doesn't seem to be a substance of any kind. > It doesn't seem to be made of anything. And yet it is more real > than substance because without it we would never be aware of substance. > So it confounds the entire idea of materiality. Matter is so > prominently substantial, and yet without insubstantial awareness all the > substance of matter would be pointless. > > > > Notice how absolutely gentle awareness is. Unless what it is aware of > has something to do with force, awareness itself is absolutely gentle. > > > > Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to > anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for > everyone. Though we might think that what we're aware of might be > special, awareness itself is never special. > > > > Now notice how our very existence would actually have no meaning at all > were it not for the fact that we're aware of existing. Notice how > we can't even be aware of anything existing without awareness > because we can't be aware of anything existing without awareness, > without being aware of just that. > > > > And now, notice that it actually in fact is the greatest thing we could > ever know, because without it we wouldn't be able to know anything. > Notice that it actually in fact is greater than any other experience we > could possibly have because without it we wouldn't be able to be > aware of any experience. > > > > Of all the magnificent phenomena in the entire universe. Of all the > astounding miracles you could ever imagine. None is more magnificent or > astounding as our own, living awareness. Just notice how much of an > astounding miracle it actually is that we are aware > > > > And now notice this: Awareness is greater than anything else we could > possibly know about God, because without it God wouldn't be aware of > anything, which would nullify everything else about God that is grand > and magnificent. Try to imagine God not being aware of His own > existence. Without awareness, God would be nothing. Just notice that. > > > > So the greatest thing we can know about God is that God is awareness, > because God would be nothing without awareness, just as we would. So, > awareness is the one thing that is clearly essential both to us, and to > God. > > > > Notice that if we weren't awareness in the first place, we > couldn't imagine ourselves to be something other than awareness. We > have to BE awareness before we can think we're something else. That > being the case, what's the point in thinking we're something > else? > > > > And now notice that there can't possibly be anything more true than > awareness. Just try to imagine something that is more true than > awareness. Everything we can possibly know about Truth could not be > known unless there was awareness in the first place to be aware of it. > > > > So what we've noticed, then, is that Awareness is our True Identity > and the only Reality. > > > > > > Well, that certainly is very nice, isn't it. > > > > > > But now what. > > > > > > Well, now that the value of noticing is obvious, it's a good idea to > just keep doing it. > > > > As often as possible, simply notice that you exist. > > > > You'll find that if you just keep doing that, everything else will > fall into place. > > > > And the nice thing about this is that nobody has to take anybody's word > for it. > > > > If one just does it, they'll find out for themselves. > > > > Much Love, > > > > Ben Gilberti <http://www.miraclescenter.us/gilberti.htm> > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > one teacher recently put it, by " plunging the arrow of your > attention > > > directly into the experience of your being. " > > > > It's really strange, statements like this, because attention is not > > something you can do anything with.You are because attention plays on > > you like light plays on a surface.Really, the only living thing about > > you is attention.Attention is " your being " .So telling anyone to plunge > > his attention anywhere is like telling the hand to grasp itself, or > the > > eye to see itself.But still we are told to do this and that's ok.In my > > heart I don't believe anyone can do anything--but if I see someone > > about to back into a whirling buzzsaw I will shout " Watch out! " just > as > > though I thought he actually could act on those words.Fact is, the > > shout just happened--and if any action follows that will just happen > > too. Que vida! Z > > > Ben, I can only notice from this long sermon that your intent is to show that mind is to notice awareness so you then can be it. yada yada yada. Am I wrong here? Better living by better thinking kind of nonsense? " living awareness " ? what lives dies you are not that. awareness is the background of all living and dying,thinking and doing. Just be. Joe. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 > > > > > > > > Ben, > I can only notice from this long sermon that your intent is to show > that mind is to notice awareness so you then can be it. yada yada > yada. Am I wrong here? Better living by better thinking kind of > nonsense? > > " living awareness " ? > what lives dies you are not that. awareness is the background of all > living and dying,thinking and doing. > > Just be. > > > Joe: > This guy Giliberti is not the kind of idiot that you can pull this kind of straw man stuff on. You are like a gunfighter that is so eager to shoot he doesn't even bother to get his sixgun out of his hoster before he pulls the trigger.haha Z > > " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben, > > I can only notice from this long sermon that your intent is to show > > that mind is to notice awareness so you then can be it. yada yada > > yada. Am I wrong here? Better living by better thinking kind of > > nonsense? > > > > " living awareness " ? > > what lives dies you are not that. awareness is the background of > all > > living and dying,thinking and doing. > > > > Just be. > > > > > > Joe: > > This guy Giliberti is not the kind of idiot that you can pull this > kind of straw man stuff on. You are like a gunfighter that is so > eager to shoot he doesn't even bother to get his sixgun out of his > hoster before he pulls the trigger.haha Z > > > > " > > > and you are like the gunfighter that gets his ass shot dead while you are wondering if you put bullets in your gun beforehand.(well it made as much sense as your silly ass metaphor) Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben, > > I can only notice from this long sermon that your intent is to show > > that mind is to notice awareness so you then can be it. yada yada > > yada. Am I wrong here? Better living by better thinking kind of > > nonsense? > > > > " living awareness " ? > > what lives dies you are not that. awareness is the background of > all > > living and dying,thinking and doing. > > > > Just be. > > > > > > Joe: > > This guy Giliberti is not the kind of idiot that you can pull this > kind of straw man stuff on. You are like a gunfighter that is so > eager to shoot he doesn't even bother to get his sixgun out of his > hoster before he pulls the trigger.haha Z > > > > " > > > Tom, believe whatever it is you think you need to believe. find an answear that fits you until you believe something else. But what a snore. Perhaps all this is way too subtle for you? I am strawman and I am also the wind that will blow me away one day. Who are you? Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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