Fwd: Humans are the most cruel, ignorant,degraded animal.

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " carolina112900 "

<freyjartist@> wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " Gary Falk " <dukeofdharma@>

wrote:

> >

> > GuruRatings , " steve " <spirit5562000@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I think the reason for humans being the most cruel, degraded

and

> > > > ignorant of all the animal species is due to the following.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Ego the height of ignorance.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Animals have a kind and a cruel streak generally, humans

have

> > > > incorporated all the animal's cruel streaks, during their

> > > evolvement

> > > > and 'creation'.

> > > >

> > > > 3.Humans have no natural dharma as a result.......> > > >

> > >

> > > Hi Tony,

> > >

> > > I have to agree with you here on this one. Humans are

despicable and

> > > that is what I was saying just recently. I am ashamed of our

species

> > > and don't feel a part of it.

> >

> > I'm VERY much with you on this one, Steve!

> >

> >

> >

> > <<<> In Ruth Montgomerys book I just read she says the Guides

told her

> > > that if humans continued to destroy the world as they are

doing, they

> > > would be wiped out, just as the dinosaurs were. Any species

that gets

> > > out of hand and takes away from all the other species, is wiped

out

> > > by nature/God. Steve>>

 

Namaste C,

 

Buddha and Jesus etc ostensibly came to 'save' humanity but they came

really only to encourage the minute number of people that had decided

to take som kind of spiritual path out of here.

Humanity will never change as long as the dog's hind leg is bent.

Jesus said 'the poor you will always have with you', indicating

society will never become a 'golden age'. Who listened to Jesus, who

listened to Buddha, did they change the world? No for it is

unchangeable. A golden age in one part of the word is a world of

degradation and cruelty in another. The best can be said is that

there are cycles.

People are looking for avatars and saviours, but never give anything

up. They drive in a big gas guzzling suv to hear Obama, who

apparently is the new political messiah. He is like JFK they say, but

from JFK we eventually got the Bush family etc etc, and JFK was a

moral midget as it happens.

Massacres keep happening, from Genghis Khan and the Mongols, down to

the Russians, Chinese and Japanese. I think it is a toss up between

Stalin and the Chinese on who killed the most of their own people. I

think the Chinese win with over 50 million and counting. Yet we

enlightened people in the west enable them with our greed.

In the end result one has to understand that the earth for

humans is not a heaven plane but a patala or hell plane, and there is

as much chance of changing human nature as there is in going to an

astral patala or lower astral hell plane and changing the beings

there.

All these so called avatars and gurus, maitreyas, babas, messiahs etc

achieve nothing materially, although some of the genuine ones help

the spiritual seekers to a certain extent.

The only solution is to change oneself and leave, become enlightened

realised that is the only way out permanently.

The only balance achieved on this planet was by nature and the

animals which has been destroyed by astral beings in animal bodies

called humans. There is no God or Sakti that interferes, if there is

any interference at all it would come from the planetary deity

shaking things up like a dog shakes off its fleas.

 

So wake up...Who am I? and get out, golden ages etc etc are an

illuion of an ego wishing to live in an heaven on earth.........Tony.

 

--- End forwarded message ---

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " Matthew Files "

<matthewfiles@> wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

>

> > The only solution is to

> > change oneself and leave, become enlightened

> > realised that is the only way out permanently.

>

> .........Nice fantasy you got going there Tony.

> Where you gonna go. Enlightenment, realization, is the way

> into the seething mass of humanity, not the way out.

>

>

> Matthew

 

Namaste,

 

I don't think you have understood my post or position at all; If you

are saying what I think you are saying.

 

Moksha is not a way into the seething mass of humanity but the

destruction of the ego makes a totally different situation.

 

Essentially every legitimate teacher has said human nature will not

change, and way out of all his pain etc is through realisation or

moksha and in fact that is the reason for many people being here at

all..........Tony.

The rope is not a snake and there wasn't a rope in the first place--

that is the result of Moksha.

 

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , Joyce Short <insight2@> wrote:

> >

> > >>>> .........Nice fantasy you got going there Tony.

> > >>>> Where you gonna go. Enlightenment, realization, is the way

> > >>>> into the seething mass of humanity, not the way out.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>> Moksha is not a way into the seething mass of humanity but the

> > >>> destruction of the ego makes a totally different situation.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> -=- I tend to vote with Mathew in these matters but never mind,

> > >> how are you doing with the Destruction of Ego Project? Have

> > >> you an interim report ready?

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >

> > > I have discovered that destroying the ego is realising there

never

> > > was one in the first place.........> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > -=-I'm definitely at risk for having my head wacked off

> > tulip wise but I must ask - how did you discover

> > in your own experience that there as never an ego in the first

> place?

> > And then, what changes occurred in how you see the " world " ?

> >

> Namaste,

>

> I have discovered there is no ego in the first place

> however 'realising' that is another thing and I haven't done that

yet.

> How do I know there is no ego..well I have 'experienced' the non

ego

> state temporarily........Tony O.

 

Namaste,

 

The second part of the question as to how I see the world is tied up

with the first part. When one experiences the non ego state one sees

no separate world. It is unreal and doesn't matter.....I suppose that

is the lesson.........It is not necessary to understand the molecular

structure of water to step out of the pool. However we spend time on

absorbing ourselves in the world and even discussing it ad nauseum

for we are not ready to accept the truth so we continue to stall

by 'discussing' everything.

When I was a practising alcoholic I used the 'discussing' excuse a

lot for being in a bar etc etc........Addiction is addiction whether

it is to 'life' or the world, with all the usual alibis.........

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

You give up already?

 

We have eons of years to go.

 

 

Go back to your charlatan group, and leave us alone,

here we are enjoying each others rantings.

 

 

Of course if everyone just looks for their own sake,

we never arrive at our golden illusion called heaven.

 

 

All I can say is this.

 

If we reach the understanding that our next is our self,

we feel the desire to let our next reach this understanding as well.

 

Black Eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " carolina112900 "

> <freyjartist@> wrote:

> >

> > GuruRatings , " Gary Falk " <dukeofdharma@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > GuruRatings , " steve " <spirit5562000@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think the reason for humans being the most cruel,

degraded

> and

> > > > > ignorant of all the animal species is due to the following.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Ego the height of ignorance.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Animals have a kind and a cruel streak generally, humans

> have

> > > > > incorporated all the animal's cruel streaks, during their

> > > > evolvement

> > > > > and 'creation'.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.Humans have no natural dharma as a result.......> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Tony,

> > > >

> > > > I have to agree with you here on this one. Humans are

> despicable and

> > > > that is what I was saying just recently. I am ashamed of our

> species

> > > > and don't feel a part of it.

> > >

> > > I'm VERY much with you on this one, Steve!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <<<> In Ruth Montgomerys book I just read she says the Guides

> told her

> > > > that if humans continued to destroy the world as they are

> doing, they

> > > > would be wiped out, just as the dinosaurs were. Any species

> that gets

> > > > out of hand and takes away from all the other species, is

wiped

> out

> > > > by nature/God. Steve>>

>

> Namaste C,

>

> Buddha and Jesus etc ostensibly came to 'save' humanity but they

came

> really only to encourage the minute number of people that had

decided

> to take som kind of spiritual path out of here.

> Humanity will never change as long as the dog's hind leg is bent.

> Jesus said 'the poor you will always have with you', indicating

> society will never become a 'golden age'. Who listened to Jesus,

who

> listened to Buddha, did they change the world? No for it is

> unchangeable. A golden age in one part of the word is a world of

> degradation and cruelty in another. The best can be said is that

> there are cycles.

> People are looking for avatars and saviours, but never give

anything

> up. They drive in a big gas guzzling suv to hear Obama, who

> apparently is the new political messiah. He is like JFK they say,

but

> from JFK we eventually got the Bush family etc etc, and JFK was a

> moral midget as it happens.

> Massacres keep happening, from Genghis Khan and the Mongols, down

to

> the Russians, Chinese and Japanese. I think it is a toss up between

> Stalin and the Chinese on who killed the most of their own people.

I

> think the Chinese win with over 50 million and counting. Yet we

> enlightened people in the west enable them with our greed.

> In the end result one has to understand that the earth for

> humans is not a heaven plane but a patala or hell plane, and there

is

> as much chance of changing human nature as there is in going to an

> astral patala or lower astral hell plane and changing the beings

> there.

> All these so called avatars and gurus, maitreyas, babas, messiahs

etc

> achieve nothing materially, although some of the genuine ones help

> the spiritual seekers to a certain extent.

> The only solution is to change oneself and leave, become

enlightened

> realised that is the only way out permanently.

> The only balance achieved on this planet was by nature and the

> animals which has been destroyed by astral beings in animal bodies

> called humans. There is no God or Sakti that interferes, if there

is

> any interference at all it would come from the planetary deity

> shaking things up like a dog shakes off its fleas.

>

> So wake up...Who am I? and get out, golden ages etc etc are an

> illuion of an ego wishing to live in an heaven on

earth.........Tony.

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

[Guest guest]

Do you understand,

 

we are a bunch of marihuana smoking pseudo gurus,

who spend their time on earth in front of mirror machines, computers

as you call it.

 

Everyone in here is concerned solely about their own awakening and

realizations, the realizations of others have no value in here.

 

 

We are perfect examples of the most cruel and ignorant animals you

are talking about, what do you expect from such a species?

 

Black Eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again "

<loggin.again wrote:

>

> You give up already?

>

> We have eons of years to go.

>

>

> Go back to your charlatan group, and leave us alone,

> here we are enjoying each others rantings.

>

>

> Of course if everyone just looks for their own sake,

> we never arrive at our golden illusion called heaven.

>

>

> All I can say is this.

>

> If we reach the understanding that our next is our self,

> we feel the desire to let our next reach this understanding as well.

>

> Black Eyes.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> wrote:

> >

> > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

wrote:

> >

> > GuruRatings , " carolina112900 "

> > <freyjartist@> wrote:

> > >

> > > GuruRatings , " Gary Falk " <dukeofdharma@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > GuruRatings , " steve " <spirit5562000@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery "

<aoclery@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think the reason for humans being the most cruel,

> degraded

> > and

> > > > > > ignorant of all the animal species is due to the

following.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Ego the height of ignorance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Animals have a kind and a cruel streak generally,

humans

> > have

> > > > > > incorporated all the animal's cruel streaks, during their

> > > > > evolvement

> > > > > > and 'creation'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3.Humans have no natural dharma as a result.......> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Tony,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have to agree with you here on this one. Humans are

> > despicable and

> > > > > that is what I was saying just recently. I am ashamed of

our

> > species

> > > > > and don't feel a part of it.

> > > >

> > > > I'm VERY much with you on this one, Steve!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <<<> In Ruth Montgomerys book I just read she says the Guides

> > told her

> > > > > that if humans continued to destroy the world as they are

> > doing, they

> > > > > would be wiped out, just as the dinosaurs were. Any species

> > that gets

> > > > > out of hand and takes away from all the other species, is

> wiped

> > out

> > > > > by nature/God. Steve>>

> >

> > Namaste C,

> >

> > Buddha and Jesus etc ostensibly came to 'save' humanity but they

> came

> > really only to encourage the minute number of people that had

> decided

> > to take som kind of spiritual path out of here.

> > Humanity will never change as long as the dog's hind leg is bent.

> > Jesus said 'the poor you will always have with you', indicating

> > society will never become a 'golden age'. Who listened to Jesus,

> who

> > listened to Buddha, did they change the world? No for it is

> > unchangeable. A golden age in one part of the word is a world of

> > degradation and cruelty in another. The best can be said is that

> > there are cycles.

> > People are looking for avatars and saviours, but never give

> anything

> > up. They drive in a big gas guzzling suv to hear Obama, who

> > apparently is the new political messiah. He is like JFK they say,

> but

> > from JFK we eventually got the Bush family etc etc, and JFK was a

> > moral midget as it happens.

> > Massacres keep happening, from Genghis Khan and the Mongols, down

> to

> > the Russians, Chinese and Japanese. I think it is a toss up

between

> > Stalin and the Chinese on who killed the most of their own

people.

> I

> > think the Chinese win with over 50 million and counting. Yet we

> > enlightened people in the west enable them with our greed.

> > In the end result one has to understand that the earth for

> > humans is not a heaven plane but a patala or hell plane, and

there

> is

> > as much chance of changing human nature as there is in going to

an

> > astral patala or lower astral hell plane and changing the beings

> > there.

> > All these so called avatars and gurus, maitreyas, babas, messiahs

> etc

> > achieve nothing materially, although some of the genuine ones

help

> > the spiritual seekers to a certain extent.

> > The only solution is to change oneself and leave, become

> enlightened

> > realised that is the only way out permanently.

> > The only balance achieved on this planet was by nature and the

> > animals which has been destroyed by astral beings in animal

bodies

> > called humans. There is no God or Sakti that interferes, if there

> is

> > any interference at all it would come from the planetary deity

> > shaking things up like a dog shakes off its fleas.

> >

> > So wake up...Who am I? and get out, golden ages etc etc are an

> > illuion of an ego wishing to live in an heaven on

> earth.........Tony.

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

>

[Guest guest]

GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

wrote:

>

>

> Snipped for snappiness' sake....

>

>

>

>

> How do I know there is no ego..well I have 'experienced' the non

ego

> state temporarily........Tony O.

>

>

> Almost a bit incongruous Tony O, " I " experience " non-ego " . How

could

> the ego remember not being an ego? One would have to remember not

> being...before...and after...this incarnation.

>

> By the way who said that? The attached memory or the memory of the

> unattached memory?

>

> ~A

 

Namaste,

 

The experiencing is the non ego state temporarily, there is always a

memory as one comes down, similar to coming down from deep sleep.

That is why I put experience in parenthesis for it really isn't the

word as there isn't a word. For there is some kind of experience but

it is not of the ego...more a condition or non condition.

Karl Marx said 'Religion is the opium of the people', well

discussions and philosophy including ritual is the 'crack cocaine' of

the spiritual seeker..They are just as addictive -----look at all

these groups.........Tony.

 

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " carolina112900 "

> <freyjartist@> wrote:

> >

> > GuruRatings , " Gary Falk " <dukeofdharma@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > GuruRatings , " steve " <spirit5562000@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think the reason for humans being the most cruel, degraded

> and

> > > > > ignorant of all the animal species is due to the following.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Ego the height of ignorance.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Animals have a kind and a cruel streak generally, humans

> have

> > > > > incorporated all the animal's cruel streaks, during their

> > > > evolvement

> > > > > and 'creation'.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.Humans have no natural dharma as a result.......> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Tony,

> > > >

> > > > I have to agree with you here on this one. Humans are

> despicable and

> > > > that is what I was saying just recently. I am ashamed of our

> species

> > > > and don't feel a part of it.

> > >

> > > I'm VERY much with you on this one, Steve!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <<<> In Ruth Montgomerys book I just read she says the Guides

> told her

> > > > that if humans continued to destroy the world as they are

> doing, they

> > > > would be wiped out, just as the dinosaurs were. Any species

> that gets

> > > > out of hand and takes away from all the other species, is wiped

> out

> > > > by nature/God. Steve>>

>

> Namaste C,

>

> Buddha and Jesus etc ostensibly came to 'save' humanity but they came

> really only to encourage the minute number of people that had decided

> to take som kind of spiritual path out of here.

> Humanity will never change as long as the dog's hind leg is bent.

> Jesus said 'the poor you will always have with you', indicating

> society will never become a 'golden age'. Who listened to Jesus, who

> listened to Buddha, did they change the world? No for it is

> unchangeable. A golden age in one part of the word is a world of

> degradation and cruelty in another. The best can be said is that

> there are cycles.

> People are looking for avatars and saviours, but never give anything

> up. They drive in a big gas guzzling suv to hear Obama, who

> apparently is the new political messiah. He is like JFK they say, but

> from JFK we eventually got the Bush family etc etc, and JFK was a

> moral midget as it happens.

> Massacres keep happening, from Genghis Khan and the Mongols, down to

> the Russians, Chinese and Japanese. I think it is a toss up between

> Stalin and the Chinese on who killed the most of their own people. I

> think the Chinese win with over 50 million and counting. Yet we

> enlightened people in the west enable them with our greed.

> In the end result one has to understand that the earth for

> humans is not a heaven plane but a patala or hell plane, and there is

> as much chance of changing human nature as there is in going to an

> astral patala or lower astral hell plane and changing the beings

> there.

> All these so called avatars and gurus, maitreyas, babas, messiahs etc

> achieve nothing materially, although some of the genuine ones help

> the spiritual seekers to a certain extent.

> The only solution is to change oneself and leave, become enlightened

> realised that is the only way out permanently.

> The only balance achieved on this planet was by nature and the

> animals which has been destroyed by astral beings in animal bodies

> called humans. There is no God or Sakti that interferes, if there is

> any interference at all it would come from the planetary deity

> shaking things up like a dog shakes off its fleas.

>

> So wake up...Who am I? and get out, golden ages etc etc are an

> illuion of an ego wishing to live in an heaven on earth.........Tony.

 

 

 

oh it's all ridiculous..

 

why get exited about nothing?

 

that's not living...that's just killing time.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

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ThePowerOfSilence , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

 

ThePowerOfSilence , michael bindel

<michael_bindel@> wrote:

>

> Dear all

>

> rereading HAICH ELISABETH INITIATION for the third time i

felt the necessity to recommend this book to everybody who does not

know it yet.

> Its a wonderful book about " the way back home " and offers the

possibility to know what is really necessary for everybody who wants

to discover the SELF

>

> Rereading spiritual books again and again showed michael how much

he did not really understand reading them before....

> Am always incredible astonished about this fact....

> but this true only for real spiritual books....

>\

 

Namaste Michael,

Selected quotes:

 

'The highest creature on earth is man. It is his task to carry out

the completion of the spiritualization of the earth, a task at which

all living creatures are at work, each within the limits of its own

particular stage of development. And every human being who transforms

himself from a being identical with the body into a being reawakened

in spirit, a divine being - identifying his consciousness with the

divine self - has fulfilled his duty. He has spiritualized a bit of

the earth. He has advanced by one step the salvation of the earth.

Then he can cooperate as a helper in the salvation of other beings'

 

The above is from the book 'initiation' and indicates a common error

in spirituality. The purpose is Moksha not spiritualisation of the

earth which is impossible as long as the dog has a bent hind leg.

 

This idea has been seized on by charlatans like eckart tolle and

others to coin money..........'

 

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