Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Of course because it's selfish. It's selfish to shine everywhere. Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere really. LOL. Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > thats my hole point... > but this desire that light wants light to shine everywhere is somehow > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both hands and mind... > ...iietsa > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > like the person from the gururanting list suggests, > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in here, > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is our self, > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this understanding as > well. > > > > Black Eyes > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Hi there! Why shine in the dark, when not even the light agrees among itself. Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " <loggin.again wrote: > > Of course because it's selfish. > It's selfish to shine everywhere. > Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere really. LOL. > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > thats my hole point... > > but this desire that light wants light to shine everywhere is > somehow > > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both hands and mind... > > ...iietsa > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > > like the person from the gururanting list suggests, > > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in here, > > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is our self, > > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this understanding as > > well. > > > > > > Black Eyes > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Ok, Maya, Do we than agree, That you and I, That light and dark, The devil and god, That we all share the same identity? Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > Hi there! > > Why shine in the dark, > when not even the light agrees among itself. > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > Of course because it's selfish. > > It's selfish to shine everywhere. > > Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere really. LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > thats my hole point... > > > but this desire that light wants light to shine everywhere is > > somehow > > > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both hands and > mind... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > > > like the person from the gururanting list suggests, > > > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in here, > > > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is our self, > > > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this understanding as > > > well. > > > > > > > > Black Eyes > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Do we agree? Of course we agree, you and I we are the same identity, lulu dong, black eyes, zen mirror, just three different names for one and the same individual. Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " <loggin.again wrote: > > Ok, Maya, > > Do we than agree, That you and I, That light and dark, The devil and > god, That we all share the same identity? > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > Hi there! > > > > Why shine in the dark, > > when not even the light agrees among itself. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > Of course because it's selfish. > > > It's selfish to shine everywhere. > > > Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere really. LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > thats my hole point... > > > > but this desire that light wants light to shine everywhere is > > > somehow > > > > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both hands and > > mind... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > > > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > > > > like the person from the gururanting list suggests, > > > > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in here, > > > > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > > > > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > > > > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is our self, > > > > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this understanding > as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Black Eyes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Fine, what's with iietsa, babalulu, the joebot, tomtom, nis ... Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > Do we agree? > > Of course we agree, > you and I we are the same identity, > lulu dong, black eyes, zen mirror, > just three different names > for one and the same individual. > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > Ok, Maya, > > > > Do we than agree, That you and I, That light and dark, The devil > and > > god, That we all share the same identity? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi there! > > > > > > Why shine in the dark, > > > when not even the light agrees among itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Of course because it's selfish. > > > > It's selfish to shine everywhere. > > > > Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere really. LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > thats my hole point... > > > > > but this desire that light wants light to shine everywhere is > > > > somehow > > > > > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both hands and > > > mind... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > > > > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > > > > > like the person from the gururanting list suggests, > > > > > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in here, > > > > > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > > > > > > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is our self, > > > > > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this understanding > > as > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Black Eyes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 All the same identity, different appearance, different email addresses, different names, but all the same persona. Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " <loggin.again wrote: > > Fine, > what's with iietsa, babalulu, the joebot, tomtom, nis ... > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > Do we agree? > > > > Of course we agree, > > you and I we are the same identity, > > lulu dong, black eyes, zen mirror, > > just three different names > > for one and the same individual. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > Ok, Maya, > > > > > > Do we than agree, That you and I, That light and dark, The devil > > and > > > god, That we all share the same identity? > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi there! > > > > > > > > Why shine in the dark, > > > > when not even the light agrees among itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Of course because it's selfish. > > > > > It's selfish to shine everywhere. > > > > > Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere really. LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > thats my hole point... > > > > > > but this desire that light wants light to shine everywhere > is > > > > > somehow > > > > > > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both hands and > > > > mind... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > > > > > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > > > > > > like the person from the gururanting list suggests, > > > > > > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in here, > > > > > > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is our self, > > > > > > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this > understanding > > > as > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black Eyes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I see, you're taking this a level higher, in other words, babablabla and nis are the same persona? Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > All the same identity, > different appearance, > different email addresses, > different names, > but all the same persona. > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > Fine, > > what's with iietsa, babalulu, the joebot, tomtom, nis ... > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Do we agree? > > > > > > Of course we agree, > > > you and I we are the same identity, > > > lulu dong, black eyes, zen mirror, > > > just three different names > > > for one and the same individual. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, Maya, > > > > > > > > Do we than agree, That you and I, That light and dark, The > devil > > > and > > > > god, That we all share the same identity? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi there! > > > > > > > > > > Why shine in the dark, > > > > > when not even the light agrees among itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course because it's selfish. > > > > > > It's selfish to shine everywhere. > > > > > > Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere really. LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thats my hole point... > > > > > > > but this desire that light wants light to shine > everywhere > > is > > > > > > somehow > > > > > > > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both hands > and > > > > > mind... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > > > > > > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > > > > > > > like the person from the gururanting list suggests, > > > > > > > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in here, > > > > > > > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is our self, > > > > > > > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this > > understanding > > > > as > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black Eyes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 There is just one persona, really, how many more times, blablabla the mirror changes your appearance, but not your identity. Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " <loggin.again wrote: > > I see, you're taking this a level higher, > in other words, > babablabla and nis are the same persona? > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > All the same identity, > > different appearance, > > different email addresses, > > different names, > > but all the same persona. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > Fine, > > > what's with iietsa, babalulu, the joebot, tomtom, nis ... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Do we agree? > > > > > > > > Of course we agree, > > > > you and I we are the same identity, > > > > lulu dong, black eyes, zen mirror, > > > > just three different names > > > > for one and the same individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Maya, > > > > > > > > > > Do we than agree, That you and I, That light and dark, The > > devil > > > > and > > > > > god, That we all share the same identity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " > <zen_mirror@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there! > > > > > > > > > > > > Why shine in the dark, > > > > > > when not even the light agrees among itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course because it's selfish. > > > > > > > It's selfish to shine everywhere. > > > > > > > Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere really. > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thats my hole point... > > > > > > > > but this desire that light wants light to shine > > everywhere > > > is > > > > > > > somehow > > > > > > > > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both hands > > and > > > > > > mind... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > > > > > > > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > > > > > > > > like the person from the gururanting list suggests, > > > > > > > > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in here, > > > > > > > > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is our > self, > > > > > > > > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this > > > understanding > > > > > as > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black Eyes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > There is just one persona, > > really, > > how many more times, blablabla > > the mirror changes your appearance, > but not your identity. > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > I see, you're taking this a level higher, > > in other words, > > babablabla and nis are the same persona? > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > All the same identity, > > > different appearance, > > > different email addresses, > > > different names, > > > but all the same persona. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Fine, > > > > what's with iietsa, babalulu, the joebot, tomtom, nis ... > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Do we agree? > > > > > > > > > > Of course we agree, > > > > > you and I we are the same identity, > > > > > lulu dong, black eyes, zen mirror, > > > > > just three different names > > > > > for one and the same individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Maya, > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we than agree, That you and I, That light and dark, The > > > devil > > > > > and > > > > > > god, That we all share the same identity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " > > <zen_mirror@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why shine in the dark, > > > > > > > when not even the light agrees among itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course because it's selfish. > > > > > > > > It's selfish to shine everywhere. > > > > > > > > Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere really. > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thats my hole point... > > > > > > > > > but this desire that light wants light to shine > > > everywhere > > > > is > > > > > > > > somehow > > > > > > > > > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both > hands > > > and > > > > > > > mind... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes > Again " > > > > > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > > > > > > > > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > > > > > > > > > like the person from the gururanting list suggests, > > > > > > > > > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in here, > > > > > > > > > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is our > > self, > > > > > > > > > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this > > > > understanding > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black Eyes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due repect, what's your obsession with mirrors? Do you leave home without a mirror? Do you ask yourself; " Mirror, mirror upon the wall, What's the best appearance of all? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 For some the mirror is mere appearance, for others it is an identity. Mirror, mirror upon the wall, what's the best identity of all? Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > With due repect, what's your obsession with mirrors? > > Do you leave home without a mirror? > > Do you ask yourself; " Mirror, mirror upon the wall, What's the best > appearance of all? " > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > There is just one persona, > > > > really, > > > > how many more times, blablabla > > > > the mirror changes your appearance, > > but not your identity. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > I see, you're taking this a level higher, > > > in other words, > > > babablabla and nis are the same persona? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > All the same identity, > > > > different appearance, > > > > different email addresses, > > > > different names, > > > > but all the same persona. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Fine, > > > > > what's with iietsa, babalulu, the joebot, tomtom, nis ... > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " > <zen_mirror@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course we agree, > > > > > > you and I we are the same identity, > > > > > > lulu dong, black eyes, zen mirror, > > > > > > just three different names > > > > > > for one and the same individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes Again " > > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Maya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we than agree, That you and I, That light and dark, > The > > > > devil > > > > > > and > > > > > > > god, That we all share the same identity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " > > > <zen_mirror@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why shine in the dark, > > > > > > > > when not even the light agrees among itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes > Again " > > > > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course because it's selfish. > > > > > > > > > It's selfish to shine everywhere. > > > > > > > > > Thus it's a very dark idea to shine everywhere > really. > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thats my hole point... > > > > > > > > > > but this desire that light wants light to shine > > > > everywhere > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > somehow > > > > > > > > > > an idea, to the (dark-riders) to resist with both > > hands > > > > and > > > > > > > > mind... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes > > Again " > > > > > > > > > > <loggin.again@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waking up is the biggest of all illusions, > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana is deluded, concerned only about himself, > > > > > > > > > > > like the person from the gururanting list > suggests, > > > > > > > > > > > and like iietsa, and baba and all the rest in > here, > > > > > > > > > > > only concerned about his and her own awakening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can say is this, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we reach the understanding that our next is > our > > > self, > > > > > > > > > > > we feel the desire to let our next reach this > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black Eyes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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