Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Hi Ben, An excellent post and I agree with most of what you wrote, but let me point to what I think are fallacies in your post: B: Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for everyone. Though we might think that what we're aware of might be special, awareness itself is never special. P:The above is just your personal belief. You can only infer and guess what my awareness is by using your awareness as a guide and model to mine. B: And now notice this: Awareness is greater than anything else we could possibly know about God, because without it God wouldn't be aware of anything, which would nullify everything else about God that is grand and magnificent. Try to imagine God not being aware of His own existence. Without awareness, God would be nothing. Just notice that. So the greatest thing we can know about God is that God is awareness, because God would be nothing without awareness, just as we would. So, awareness is the one thing that is clearly essential both to us, and to God. P: How do you know what God is, or is not? This again is just your belief. Many contemplatives, including Nis have said the Absolute is not aware of itself. B: Notice that if we weren't awareness in the first place, we couldn't imagine ourselves to be something other than awareness. We have to BE awareness before we can think we're something else. That being the case, what's the point in thinking we're something else? And now notice that there can't possibly be anything more true than awareness. Just try to imagine something that is more true than awareness. Everything we can possibly know about Truth could not be known unless there was awareness in the first place to be aware of it. So what we've noticed, then, is that Awareness is our True Identity and the only Reality. P: That awareness is our identity, doesn't necessarily mean it's the only reality. The non-conscious could be our true identity. what you wrote below is very true, and the best part of your excellent post. I think the readers at my lists will like to hear what you have to say. Please, join us, if you are so moved. AdvaitaToZen NodualPhilosophy B:Well, now that the value of noticing is obvious, it's a good idea to just keep doing it. As often as possible, simply notice that you exist. You'll find that if you just keep doing that, everything else will fall into place. And the nice thing about this is that nobody has to take anybody's word for it. If one just does it, they'll find out for themselves. Much Love, Ben Gilberti <http://www.miraclescenter.us/gilberti.htm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > An excellent post and I agree with most of what > you wrote, but let me point to what I think are > fallacies in your post: > > > B: Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to > anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for > everyone. Though we might think that what we're aware of might be > special, awareness itself is never special. > > P:The above is just your personal belief. You > can only infer and guess what my awareness is > by using your awareness as a guide and model > to mine. that's an interesting personal belief petie. obtuse yes...but interesting too. > B: And now notice this: Awareness is greater than anything else we could > possibly know about God, because without it God wouldn't be aware of > anything, which would nullify everything else about God that is grand > and magnificent. Try to imagine God not being aware of His own > existence. Without awareness, God would be nothing. Just notice that. > > So the greatest thing we can know about God is that God is awareness, > because God would be nothing without awareness, just as we would. So, > awareness is the one thing that is clearly essential both to us, and to > God. > > P: How do you know what God is, or is not? This again is just your belief. > Many contemplatives, including Nis have said the Absolute is not > aware of itself. how do you know what he knows or doesn't know petie? you're not everyone...and thank god not everyone is you. fuck nisargadatta..he's a dead little brown monkey. he didn't know everything even if you think he did. > B: Notice that if we weren't awareness in the first place, we > couldn't imagine ourselves to be something other than awareness. We > have to BE awareness before we can think we're something else. That > being the case, what's the point in thinking we're something > else? > > And now notice that there can't possibly be anything more true than > awareness. Just try to imagine something that is more true than > awareness. Everything we can possibly know about Truth could not be > known unless there was awareness in the first place to be aware of it. > > So what we've noticed, then, is that Awareness is our True Identity > and the only Reality. > > P: That awareness is our identity, doesn't > necessarily mean it's the only reality. The non-conscious > could be our true identity. > what you wrote below is very true, and the best > part of your excellent post. I think the readers at my > lists will like to hear what you have to say. Please, > join us, if you are so moved. > > AdvaitaToZen > > NodualPhilosophy oh christ! another commercial. just like the one below. must be pretty poor shows to require you guys to be your own sponsors. > B:Well, now that the value of noticing is obvious, it's a good idea to > just keep doing it. > > As often as possible, simply notice that you exist. > > You'll find that if you just keep doing that, everything else will > fall into place. > > And the nice thing about this is that nobody has to take anybody's word > for it. > > If one just does it, they'll find out for themselves. > > Much Love, > > Ben Gilberti <http://www.miraclescenter.us/gilberti.htm> > ..b b.b. without commercial break... and not a member of the " childish mutual admiration society " . LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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