Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 The title is meant in humor, although perhaps you could say Ramesh-ji's followers fall into this category. So things just happen spontaneously, huh? Killers kill spontaneously. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have judges, because judging occurs spontaneously, the killer's sentence is spontaneous, blah blah. Can you see where this is leading? The only real response to " Everything is spontaneous, it just happens " is " So what? " Who cares? It makes absolutely no real-world difference, aside maybe from assuaging guilt felt over one's actions, or being mis-used as justifying one's actions (i.e. in the case of that killer saying 'I have no free will, it just happened'). DOES " everything just happen'? That's the observation of the sages, but just one observation among many. Hooking onto it as " truth " is nonsense, it's just a spouting, a concept. Peace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > The title is meant in humor, although perhaps you could say Ramesh-ji's > followers fall into this category. > > So things just happen spontaneously, huh? Killers kill spontaneously. > But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have judges, because judging occurs > spontaneously, the killer's sentence is spontaneous, blah blah. > > Can you see where this is leading? The only real response > to " Everything is spontaneous, it just happens " is " So what? " Who > cares? It makes absolutely no real-world difference, aside maybe from > assuaging guilt felt over one's actions, or being mis-used as > justifying one's actions (i.e. in the case of that killer saying 'I > have no free will, it just happened'). > > DOES " everything just happen'? That's the observation of the sages, > but just one observation among many. Hooking onto it as " truth " is > nonsense, it's just a spouting, a concept. > > > Peace... who cares? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: >> DOES " everything just happen'? That's the observation of the sages, > but just one observation among many. Hooking onto it as " truth " is > nonsense, it's just a spouting, a concept. > > > Peace... > It is spouting,and a concept--until one fine day you SEE it.Then it is the most astonishing thing...and you can't imagine how anybody could ever believe is the concept of choice.For anything to happen SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN!SPONTANEOUSLY! Can't you see that? And seeing this doesn't mean that you quit your job and drift--some do, but they would have anyway probably.Who knows? Most of the time you go on as if you did have choice--but it is a kind of ghost choice that vanishes when you give it any attention. What it does free you from is getting hatefully angry at anyone--at least not for long. It is like anger from then on is a wooden sword. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > The title is meant in humor, although perhaps you could say Ramesh- ji's > followers fall into this category. > > So things just happen spontaneously, huh? Killers kill spontaneously. > But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have judges, because judging occurs > spontaneously, the killer's sentence is spontaneous, blah blah. > > Can you see where this is leading? The only real response > to " Everything is spontaneous, it just happens " is " So what? " Who > cares? It makes absolutely no real-world difference, aside maybe from > assuaging guilt felt over one's actions, or being mis-used as > justifying one's actions (i.e. in the case of that killer saying 'I > have no free will, it just happened'). > > DOES " everything just happen'? That's the observation of the sages, > but just one observation among many. Hooking onto it as " truth " is > nonsense, it's just a spouting, a concept. > > > Peace... > Parrots do what parrots do. They repeat what they hear. If parrots could read, I bet they'd sound alot like humans do when humans repeat what they read. Can you come up with anything original? Rob S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > The title is meant in humor, although perhaps you could say Ramesh- ji's > followers fall into this category. > > So things just happen spontaneously, huh? Killers kill spontaneously. > But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have judges, because judging occurs > spontaneously, the killer's sentence is spontaneous, blah blah. > > Can you see where this is leading? The only real response > to " Everything is spontaneous, it just happens " is " So what? " Who > cares? It makes absolutely no real-world difference, aside maybe from > assuaging guilt felt over one's actions, or being mis-used as > justifying one's actions (i.e. in the case of that killer saying 'I > have no free will, it just happened'). > > DOES " everything just happen'? That's the observation of the sages, > but just one observation among many. Hooking onto it as " truth " is > nonsense, it's just a spouting, a concept. > > > Peace... > spontaniety is not a concept it is nonduality happening as the play of duality " so what " is mind analysing what it cannot ever understand just more minderbation just more dog chasing its tail. ho hum. Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > It is spouting,and a concept--until one fine day you SEE it.Then it > is the most astonishing thing...and you can't imagine how anybody > could ever believe is the concept of choice.For anything to happen > SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN!SPONTANEOUSLY! Can't you see that? Of course. Can you see it, or do you feel like you make a choice to initiate actions and then perform them? As long as there seems to be a 'chooser', that one is responsible for their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > who cares? ^Neither advaitic, nor even a worthwhile attitude in the shittiest life. Just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > who cares? > > ^Neither advaitic, nor even a worthwhile attitude in the shittiest > life. Just my opinion though. But I can tell you don't care... if I was blind, deaf, crippled, retarded and crazy I could still find something better to do than hang out on a Nisardadatta mailing basically going " Googogahgah, weiner butthole look at me. " To each their own, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > who cares? > > ^Neither advaitic, nor even a worthwhile attitude in the shittiest > life. Just my opinion though. shitty opinion. nobody cares. wholly without worth. don't try and contribute... you don't have the stuff. thanking you in advance for your adherence to silence, ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > who cares? > > > > ^Neither advaitic, nor even a worthwhile attitude in the shittiest > > life. Just my opinion though. > > But I can tell you don't care... if I was blind, deaf, crippled, > retarded and crazy I could still find something better to do than hang > out on a Nisardadatta mailing basically going " Googogahgah, weiner > butthole look at me. " To each their own, I guess. well you've accomplished the looking at you. now if you could get up to the ability of goo goo gahging... any butthole would look at you and see it's hero: an inflamed asshole. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > shitty opinion. > > nobody cares. > > wholly without worth. > > don't try and contribute... > > you don't have the stuff. It's clear you must have heard plenty of the above as a child/teen - that sort of nonsense never had much effect here, and has exactly zero now. Couldn't hurt to see a shrink & clear up some of that old crap, particularly if spirituality is of interest; that stuff can really be a 'barrier to entry'. > thanking you in advance for your adherence to silence, I pressed the keys really softly :-). Peace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > shitty opinion. > > > > nobody cares. > > > > wholly without worth. > > > > don't try and contribute... > > > > you don't have the stuff. > > It's clear you must have heard plenty of the above as a child/teen - > that sort of nonsense never had much effect here, and has exactly > zero now. Couldn't hurt to see a shrink & clear up some of that old > crap, particularly if spirituality is of interest; that stuff can > really be a 'barrier to entry'. > > > thanking you in advance for your adherence to silence, > > I pressed the keys really softly :-). > > Peace... a fucking freudian believer! ha ha haa ha ha hahahaaaaaa!!!! is little sigmund playing with his pencil? what a dolt! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > a fucking freudian believer! > > ha ha haa ha ha hahahaaaaaa!!!! > > is little sigmund playing with his pencil? Since when are shrinks Freudian these days... there's almost none left. > what a dolt! Hmmm... By the way, it's not that I think shrinks are the answer. But why would someone hang out regularly on a spiritual list NEVER talking about Nisargadatta, NEVER talking Advaita, literally acting like Beavis/Butthead - something could be the matter. I mean, why here? Cheers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > a fucking freudian believer! > > > > ha ha haa ha ha hahahaaaaaa!!!! > > > > is little sigmund playing with his pencil? > > Since when are shrinks Freudian these days... there's almost none > left. duh! that was the point. what a dolt! oh but i've anticipated myself.. as above so below. > > what a dolt! > > > Hmmm... > > By the way, it's not that I think shrinks are the answer. But why > would someone hang out regularly on a spiritual list NEVER talking > about Nisargadatta, NEVER talking Advaita, literally acting like > Beavis/Butthead - something could be the matter. I mean, why here? > > Cheers... why not? fuck you too, :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > It is spouting,and a concept--until one fine day you SEE it.Then it > > is the most astonishing thing...and you can't imagine how anybody > > could ever believe is the concept of choice.For anything to happen > > SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN!SPONTANEOUSLY! Can't you see that? > > Of course. Can you see it, or do you feel like you make a choice to > initiate actions and then perform them? As long as there seems to be > a 'chooser', that one is responsible for their actions. > Most of the time I don't think of it.I just live.It is like those puzzles they give kids, " Find the hidden animals " --once you find the donkey hidden in the leaves of the tree, you know where he's at forever.You'll see him everytime you look at the tree. " Choosing " actually, is a feeling and it arises like any other feeling and gets felt.By whom? By THAT.Tell THAT about its responsibilities. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " rob.savarie " <silver wrote: > > Parrots do what parrots do. They repeat what they hear. If parrots > could read, I bet they'd sound alot like humans do when humans repeat > what they read. Can you come up with anything original? No, sadly thoughts/concepts are all rehash. Nobody's probably said anything new about Nonduality in oh, at least 2000 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " rob.savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > Parrots do what parrots do. They repeat what they hear. If parrots > > could read, I bet they'd sound alot like humans do when humans repeat > > what they read. Can you come up with anything original? > > No, sadly thoughts/concepts are all rehash. Nobody's probably said > anything new about Nonduality in oh, at least 2000 years. happily, everybody's said that for at least 2000 years. you're just like all the rest. who cares? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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