Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Among the many description of the ego that I have read, I like the one I have read from Tolle, the best: ego := conditioned mind Self = Consciousness = Now = I AM When Consciousness, which is also I, uses the conditioned mind, that is... good. When the conditioned mind becomes so overwhelming and all-consuming that NOW can only be seen through the filters of conditioned mind, that is... bad. IOW... recipe for pain. Solid = stuck = frozen memory = the mind which is totally conditioned and blocked. It can not see now unless 'broken' Fluid = Flowing = 'still evolving' = 'still open' = 'still observing and changing' = (Consciousness + conditioned mind) SPACE = Consciousness, no conditioned mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Among the many description of the ego > that I have read, I like the one I have > read from Tolle, the best: > > ego := conditioned mind > > Self = Consciousness = Now = I AM > > > When Consciousness, which is also I, > uses the conditioned mind, that is... good. > > > When the conditioned mind becomes so > overwhelming and all-consuming that NOW > can only be seen through the filters of > conditioned mind, that is... bad. > IOW... recipe for pain. > > > > > Solid = stuck = frozen memory = the > mind which is totally conditioned and > blocked. It can not see now unless 'broken' > > > Fluid = Flowing = 'still evolving' = > 'still open' = 'still observing and > changing' = (Consciousness + conditioned mind) > > > SPACE = Consciousness, no conditioned mind > Namaste, The problem with tolle is he isn't consistent and he is rather eclectic. However he is a complete money making charlatan.......Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Among the many description of the ego > > that I have read, I like the one I have > > read from Tolle, the best: > > > > ego := conditioned mind > > > > Self = Consciousness = Now = I AM > > > > > > When Consciousness, which is also I, > > uses the conditioned mind, that is... good. > > > > > > When the conditioned mind becomes so > > overwhelming and all-consuming that NOW > > can only be seen through the filters of > > conditioned mind, that is... bad. > > IOW... recipe for pain. > > > > > > > > > > Solid = stuck = frozen memory = the > > mind which is totally conditioned and > > blocked. It can not see now unless 'broken' > > > > > > Fluid = Flowing = 'still evolving' = > > 'still open' = 'still observing and > > changing' = (Consciousness + conditioned mind) > > > > > > SPACE = Consciousness, no conditioned mind > > > Namaste, > > The problem with tolle is he isn't consistent and he is rather > eclectic. However he is a complete money making charlatan....... and he's insured with allstate.. so he's in good hands... in case he is wrong or in case he dies. nothing wrong with hedging one's bets as they say. his futures in the stock market are however a total loss. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > Among the many description of the ego > > > that I have read, I like the one I have > > > read from Tolle, the best: > > > > > > ego := conditioned mind > > > > > > Self = Consciousness = Now = I AM > > > > > > > > > When Consciousness, which is also I, > > > uses the conditioned mind, that is... good. > > > > > > > > > When the conditioned mind becomes so > > > overwhelming and all-consuming that NOW > > > can only be seen through the filters of > > > conditioned mind, that is... bad. > > > IOW... recipe for pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solid = stuck = frozen memory = the > > > mind which is totally conditioned and > > > blocked. It can not see now unless 'broken' > > > > > > > > > Fluid = Flowing = 'still evolving' = > > > 'still open' = 'still observing and > > > changing' = (Consciousness + conditioned mind) > > > > > > > > > SPACE = Consciousness, no conditioned mind > > > > > Namaste, > > > > The problem with tolle is he isn't consistent and he is rather > > eclectic. However he is a complete money making charlatan.......> > > and he's insured with allstate.. > > so he's in good hands... > > in case he is wrong or in case he dies. > > nothing wrong with hedging one's bets as they say. > > his futures in the stock market are however a total loss. > > .b b.b. > Namaste, I see the great spiritual guru oprah is pushing his latest book...She gives 40 million of her 40 billion to charity........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Among the many description of the ego > > > > that I have read, I like the one I have > > > > read from Tolle, the best: > > > > > > > > ego := conditioned mind > > > > > > > > Self = Consciousness = Now = I AM > > > > > > > > > > > > When Consciousness, which is also I, > > > > uses the conditioned mind, that is... good. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the conditioned mind becomes so > > > > overwhelming and all-consuming that NOW > > > > can only be seen through the filters of > > > > conditioned mind, that is... bad. > > > > IOW... recipe for pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solid = stuck = frozen memory = the > > > > mind which is totally conditioned and > > > > blocked. It can not see now unless 'broken' > > > > > > > > > > > > Fluid = Flowing = 'still evolving' = > > > > 'still open' = 'still observing and > > > > changing' = (Consciousness + conditioned mind) > > > > > > > > > > > > SPACE = Consciousness, no conditioned mind > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > The problem with tolle is he isn't consistent and he is rather > > > eclectic. However he is a complete money making > charlatan.......> > > > > > and he's insured with allstate.. > > > > so he's in good hands... > > > > in case he is wrong or in case he dies. > > > > nothing wrong with hedging one's bets as they say. > > > > his futures in the stock market are however a total loss. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Namaste, > > I see the great spiritual guru oprah is pushing his latest book...She > gives 40 million of her 40 billion to charity........ yes she's an enlightened bitch. 1/1000th goes to charity whether it needs it or not. praise the lord and pass the mashed potatoes and gravy. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Among the many description of the ego > > > > > that I have read, I like the one I have > > > > > read from Tolle, the best: > > > > > > > > > > ego := conditioned mind > > > > > > > > > > Self = Consciousness = Now = I AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Consciousness, which is also I, > > > > > uses the conditioned mind, that is... good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the conditioned mind becomes so > > > > > overwhelming and all-consuming that NOW > > > > > can only be seen through the filters of > > > > > conditioned mind, that is... bad. > > > > > IOW... recipe for pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solid = stuck = frozen memory = the > > > > > mind which is totally conditioned and > > > > > blocked. It can not see now unless 'broken' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fluid = Flowing = 'still evolving' = > > > > > 'still open' = 'still observing and > > > > > changing' = (Consciousness + conditioned mind) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPACE = Consciousness, no conditioned mind > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > The problem with tolle is he isn't consistent and he is rather > > > > eclectic. However he is a complete money making > > charlatan.......> > > > > > > > > and he's insured with allstate.. > > > > > > so he's in good hands... > > > > > > in case he is wrong or in case he dies. > > > > > > nothing wrong with hedging one's bets as they say. > > > > > > his futures in the stock market are however a total loss. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Namaste, > > > > I see the great spiritual guru oprah is pushing his latest book...She > > gives 40 million of her 40 billion to charity........yes she's an enlightened bitch. > > 1/1000th goes to charity whether it needs it or not. > > praise the lord and pass the mashed potatoes and gravy. > > .b b.b. oprie's been getting a few too many servings of pie lately. she is the " Gourmand Guru " . wouldn't that make a nice title addition to Oprie's List? and then after her famous vomiting diet she can become again: Unbelievably Svelt Former Fat Chick Guru. but she's going for Obama which leads one to believe: that this broad's not very enlightened at all. Peace and Love and in the NOW, ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Among the many description of the ego > that I have read, I like the one I have > read from Tolle, the best: > > ego := conditioned mind > > Self = Consciousness = Now = I AM > > > When Consciousness, which is also I, > uses the conditioned mind, that is... good. > Neither good nor bad, AC Consciousness is a product of the brain when processing sensual data and creating thoughts in order to eventually get communicated. Consciousness itself has no power and no ability to act or to influence anything. It is in no way the master of one's life. > > When the conditioned mind becomes so > overwhelming and all-consuming that NOW > can only be seen through the filters of > conditioned mind, that is... bad. > IOW... recipe for pain. > Neither bad nor good. Accept it, Ac, uncontioning is not possible, that's a myth. > > > > Solid = stuck = frozen memory = the > mind which is totally conditioned and > blocked. It can not see now unless 'broken' > > > Fluid = Flowing = 'still evolving' = > 'still open' = 'still observing and > changing' = (Consciousness + conditioned mind) > > > SPACE = Consciousness, no conditioned mind > Forget " Space " , AC, - that is just a spiritual concept with no meaning whatsoever. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Among the many description of the ego > > that I have read, I like the one I have > > read from Tolle, the best: > > > > ego := conditioned mind > > > > Self = Consciousness = Now = I AM > > > > > > When Consciousness, which is also I, > > uses the conditioned mind, that is... good. > > > > > Neither good nor bad, AC > > Consciousness is a product of the brain when processing sensual data > and creating thoughts in order to eventually get communicated. wrong. the brain and it's processing are mere facets of consciousness. they have no independent reality whereas Consciousness.. (Consciousness without an object or subject).. IS and is the Sole REALITY. > Consciousness itself has no power and no ability to act or to > influence anything. It is in no way the master of one's life. you are 180 degrees off. turn all the way around and you won't look so foolish. Consciousness w/o sub. or obj. is the ONLY POWER that exists. life as lived by dolts like you is the most easily mastered aspect. you are enslaved in the belief that it's something important. it is not. and neither are you or your faulty thoughts. > > When the conditioned mind becomes so > > overwhelming and all-consuming that NOW > > can only be seen through the filters of > > conditioned mind, that is... bad. > > IOW... recipe for pain. you always and consistently cook up some pain for yourself. why do you do that? are you stupid? oops... don't try and answer that.. you aren't smart enough to figure out the actual answer. > Neither bad nor good. Accept it, Ac, uncontioning is not possible, > that's a myth. > > > > > > > > > > Solid = stuck = frozen memory = the > > mind which is totally conditioned and > > blocked. It can not see now unless 'broken' > > > > > > Fluid = Flowing = 'still evolving' = > > 'still open' = 'still observing and > > changing' = (Consciousness + conditioned mind) > > > > > > SPACE = Consciousness, no conditioned mind > > > > > Forget " Space " , AC, - that is just a spiritual concept with no > meaning whatsoever. > > Werner no no wernie.. it's you that has no significance whatsoever. there is no such thing as a spiritual concept dummy. if it's spiritual, it is beyond thought or conceptualization. this is why the Real Deal is beyond your capacity to appreciate. you can't garner the stuff to even reach thought.. let alone THAT which is beyond and before all thought. stick with your fundamentally screwed up ideas... about what you believe is scientific. i'd rather let the scientists laugh at you. just let the other folk think your stupid and say nothing. that's better than your trying to write anything intelligent.. when you try that... you remove all doubt about your lack of mental capability. just thought i'd give you a friendly tip wernerschnitzle. :-) your friend and non-admirer, ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > Among the many description of the ego > > > that I have read, I like the one I have > > > read from Tolle, the best: > > > > > > ego := conditioned mind > > > > > > Self = Consciousness = Now = I AM > > > > > > > > > When Consciousness, which is also I, > > > uses the conditioned mind, that is... good. > > > ****************** Does consciousness NEED to use ego? Why and what's so good about it? ****************** > > > > > > Neither good nor bad, AC > > > > Consciousness is a product of the brain when processing sensual data > > and creating thoughts in order to eventually get communicated. *************** If that's the case, what happens to consciousness when your brain stops processing and creating? What is produced then? *************** > > > > > wrong. > > the brain and it's processing are mere facets of consciousness. > > they have no independent reality whereas Consciousness.. > > (Consciousness without an object or subject).. > > IS and is the Sole REALITY. ************ In theory, no consciousness, no brain, no processing? In that order? ************ > Consciousness itself has no power and no ability to act or to > > influence anything. It is in no way the master of one's life. you are 180 degrees off. > > turn all the way around and you won't look so foolish. > > Consciousness w/o sub. or obj. is the ONLY POWER that exists. **************** No consciousness, no power? What is the power - if any - that produces consciousness? **************** > > life as lived by dolts like you is the most easily mastered aspect. > > you are enslaved in the belief that it's something important. > > it is not. > > and neither are you or your faulty thoughts. > > > > > > > When the conditioned mind becomes so > > > overwhelming and all-consuming that NOW > > > can only be seen through the filters of > > > conditioned mind, that is... bad. > > > IOW... recipe for pain. > > > > you always and consistently cook up some pain for yourself. > > why do you do that? > > are you stupid? > > oops... > > don't try and answer that.. > > you aren't smart enough to figure out the actual answer. > > > > > > Neither bad nor good. Accept it, Ac, uncontioning is not possible, > > that's a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solid = stuck = frozen memory = the > > > mind which is totally conditioned and > > > blocked. It can not see now unless 'broken' > > > > > > > > > Fluid = Flowing = 'still evolving' = > > > 'still open' = 'still observing and > > > changing' = (Consciousness + conditioned mind) > > > > > > > > > SPACE = Consciousness, no conditioned mind > > > > > > > > > Forget " Space " , AC, - that is just a spiritual concept with no > > meaning whatsoever. > > > > Werner > > > no no wernie.. > > it's you that has no significance whatsoever. > > there is no such thing as a spiritual concept dummy. > > if it's spiritual, it is beyond thought or conceptualization. > > this is why the Real Deal is beyond your capacity to appreciate. > > you can't garner the stuff to even reach thought.. > > let alone THAT which is beyond and before all thought. > > stick with your fundamentally screwed up ideas... > > about what you believe is scientific. > > i'd rather let the scientists laugh at you. > > just let the other folk think your stupid and say nothing. > > that's better than your trying to write anything intelligent.. > > when you try that... > > you remove all doubt about your lack of mental capability. > > just thought i'd give you a friendly tip wernerschnitzle. > > :-) > > your friend and non-admirer, > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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