Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Namaste, It seems to me that a lot of what happens isn't karma per se but chaos. By that I mean evolution or accidental action. A dog gets cancer and dies but has no karmic memory, so it is chaos or accident that the dog got cancer. What humans call karma is really memory and self teaching to the entity.However that is only in teaching lessons the rest is chaos. Of course one can rise above all of this, as it never really happened at all. So perhaps even a Hitler-type, if he was in the right frame of belief at death, would not even have to serve karma and could even be realised..who knows.....Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Namaste, > > It seems to me that a lot of what happens isn't karma per se but chaos. > By that I mean evolution or accidental action. A dog gets cancer and > dies but has no karmic memory, so it is chaos or accident that the dog > got cancer. > What humans call karma is really memory and self teaching to the > entity.However that is only in teaching lessons the rest is chaos. > Of course one can rise above all of this, as it never really happened > at all. > So perhaps even a Hitler-type, if he was in the right frame of belief > at death, would not even have to serve karma and could even be > realised..who knows.....> Namaste, So dearest Tonyji, does that mean both Sais CAN come through the other end smelling like a rose? Does your compelling diagnosis of karma pertain to them also, even more so, since it's *personal*? Wondering out loud in Ohio, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Om Tony, Please allow me to wander the mind with you and share the understanding, and misunderstandings, of my ignorance. I don't believe god plays dice so the chaos I see in the world I take as a sad picture of my own contribution to the so called reality. Have you ever heard the story of a cow that happened to live near by Ramana and used to go to him for satsanga? Or many other animals that happened to feed Amma in Kerala few years ago when her family would not support her odd behavior? I have heard stories of them both on the subject of animals and they both explained that those animals close to them would get a human birth on the life to come. If I am not mistaken, Theosophy has the same line of thought so perhaps there is an answer for you there taken that animals closer to our human dramas are said to be next to get human bodies. About your phrase on " teaching the entity " , I have the understanding that the soul can never be improved. Therefore any enhancement is also maya which means that it resides in the ego. I was taught that our only work is to remove ignorance instead of gaining wisdom. It's like going to the doctor, he/she can only remove the disease because we are already healthy. Finally, as I believe you have seen, the scriptures account for three types of karma: sanchita, kriyamana and prarabdha. The last one being which is responsible for our current body, family, country and everything else happening at this very birth. It's written that whenever someone realizes the self, atman, then the only karma left for he or she to bear is prarabdha. The jiva, 'person' for lack of a better word, will be released from sanchita and kriyamana. And this applies to the Hitler type as well. The only detail is that such perturbed being, excuse the judgemental mind, has much yet to deal with the predicate rather than the subject. As Swami Dayananda says " Spirituality comes before the verb and psycology after " (based on " I AM " ). So I could see the apparent 'teachings' you mentioned in the Hitler type, but no enlightenment whatsoever. Sages say that more important than understanding others, however, is to understand who we truly are - beyond our psycology and logic. Knowledge of the soul is cognitive. And to close with Nisagardatta's own words: " There is only life, there is nobody who lives a life. " They actually match your own: " it never really happened at all. " My two cents Tony. Be well. Om, Patricia. On 2/5/08, Tony OClery> wrote: Namaste,It seems to me that a lot of what happens isn't karma per se but chaos. By that I mean evolution or accidental action. A dog gets cancer and dies but has no karmic memory, so it is chaos or accident that the dog got cancer. What humans call karma is really memory and self teaching to the entity.However that is only in teaching lessons the rest is chaos.Of course one can rise above all of this, as it never really happened at all.So perhaps even a Hitler-type, if he was in the right frame of belief at death, would not even have to serve karma and could even be realised..who knows.....Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > It seems to me that a lot of what happens isn't karma per se but chaos. > > By that I mean evolution or accidental action. A dog gets cancer and > > dies but has no karmic memory, so it is chaos or accident that the dog > > got cancer. > > What humans call karma is really memory and self teaching to the > > entity.However that is only in teaching lessons the rest is chaos. > > Of course one can rise above all of this, as it never really happened > > at all. > > So perhaps even a Hitler-type, if he was in the right frame of belief > > at death, would not even have to serve karma and could even be > > realised..who knows.....> > > > Namaste, > > So dearest Tonyji, does that mean both Sais CAN come through the other > end smelling like a rose? Does your compelling diagnosis of karma > pertain to them also, even more so, since it's *personal*? > > Wondering out loud in Ohio, > Anna > Namaste,Anna, No because Sai Baba and Sai will have a karmic memory to readjust to balance. For committing deeds and enabling and then denying they do them for they know they are in the wrong in their minds. It is the subtle body that carries the memory and the reaction. For example two men under a building and a lump of concrete falls down and kills them both. One could be a karmic event and the other an accidental or Chaos event. As there is ultimately no time and everything happens at once at a higher level so to speak, this is confused with predetermination and karma when it is actually mixing apples and oranges........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > It seems to me that a lot of what happens isn't karma per se but chaos. > > By that I mean evolution or accidental action. A dog gets cancer and > > dies but has no karmic memory, so it is chaos or accident that the dog > > got cancer. > > What humans call karma is really memory and self teaching to the > > entity.However that is only in teaching lessons the rest is chaos. > > Of course one can rise above all of this, as it never really happened > > at all. > > So perhaps even a Hitler-type, if he was in the right frame of belief > > at death, would not even have to serve karma and could even be > > realised..who knows.....> > > > Namaste, > > So dearest Tonyji, does that mean both Sais CAN come through the other > end smelling like a rose? Does your compelling diagnosis of karma > pertain to them also, even more so, since it's *personal*? > > Wondering out loud in Ohio, > Anna > Namaste,Anna, No because Sai Baba and Sai will have a karmic memory to readjust to balance. For committing deeds and enabling and then denying they do them for they know they are in the wrong in their minds. It is the subtle body that carries the memory and the reaction. For example two men under a building and a lump of concrete falls down and kills them both. One could be a karmic event and the other an accidental or Chaos event. As there is ultimately no time and everything happens at once at a higher level so to speak, this is confused with predetermination and karma when it is actually mixing apples and oranges........ --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Om Tony, Please allow me to wander the mind with you and share the understanding, and misunderstandings, of my ignorance. I don't believe god plays dice so the chaos I see in the world I take as a sad picture of my own contribution to the so called reality. Have you ever heard the story of a cow that happened to live near by Ramana and used to go to him for satsanga? Or many other animals that happened to feed Amma in Kerala few years ago when her family would not support her odd behavior? I have heard stories of them both on the subject of animals and they both explained that those animals close to them would get a human birth on the life to come. If I am not mistaken, Theosophy has the same line of thought so perhaps there is an answer for you there taken that animals closer to our human dramas are said to be next to get human bodies. About your phrase on " teaching the entity " , I have the understanding that the soul can never be improved. Therefore any enhancement is also maya which means that it resides in the ego. I was taught that our only work is to remove ignorance instead of gaining wisdom. It's like going to the doctor, he/she can only remove the disease because we are already healthy. Finally, as I believe you have seen, the scriptures account for three types of karma: sanchita, kriyamana and prarabdha. The last one being which is responsible for our current body, family, country and everything else happening at this very birth. It's written that whenever someone realizes the self, atman, then the only karma left for he or she to bear is prarabdha. The jiva, 'person' for lack of a better word, will be released from sanchita and kriyamana. And this applies to the Hitler type as well. The only detail is that such perturbed being, excuse the judgemental mind, has much yet to deal with the predicate rather than the subject. As Swami Dayananda says " Spirituality comes before the verb and psycology after " (based on " I AM " ). So I could see the apparent 'teachings' you mentioned in the Hitler type, but no enlightenment whatsoever. Sages say that more important than understanding others, however, is to understand who we truly are - beyond our psycology and logic. Knowledge of the soul is cognitive. And to close with Nisagardatta's own words: " There is only life, there is nobody who lives a life. " They actually match your own: " it never really happened at all. " My two cents Tony. Be well. Om, Patricia. Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Namaste, > > It seems to me that a lot of what happens isn't karma per se but chaos. > By that I mean evolution or accidental action. A dog gets cancer and > dies but has no karmic memory, so it is chaos or accident that the dog > got cancer. > What humans call karma is really memory and self teaching to the > entity.However that is only in teaching lessons the rest is chaos. > Of course one can rise above all of this, as it never really happened > at all. > So perhaps even a Hitler-type, if he was in the right frame of belief > at death, would not even have to serve karma and could even be > realised..who knows.....> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > It seems to me that a lot of what happens isn't karma per se but > chaos. > > > By that I mean evolution or accidental action. A dog gets cancer > and > > > dies but has no karmic memory, so it is chaos or accident that > the dog > > > got cancer. > > > What humans call karma is really memory and self teaching to the > > > entity.However that is only in teaching lessons the rest is chaos. > > > Of course one can rise above all of this, as it never really > happened > > > at all. > > > So perhaps even a Hitler-type, if he was in the right frame of > belief > > > at death, would not even have to serve karma and could even be > > > realised..who knows.....> > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > So dearest Tonyji, does that mean both Sais CAN come through the > other > > end smelling like a rose? Does your compelling diagnosis of karma > > pertain to them also, even more so, since it's *personal*? > > > > Wondering out loud in Ohio, > > Anna > > > Namaste,Anna, > > No because Sai Baba and Sai will have a karmic memory to readjust to > balance. For committing deeds and enabling and then denying they do > them for they know they are in the wrong in their minds. It is the > subtle body that carries the memory and the reaction. For example two > men under a building and a lump of concrete falls down and kills them > both. One could be a karmic event and the other an accidental or > Chaos event. > As there is ultimately no time and everything happens at once at a > higher level so to speak, this is confused with predetermination and > karma when it is actually mixing apples and oranges........> Namaste A, AS you can see here.. http://tech.sathyasaibaba2/message/56830 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " omticiavarela " <ticiavarela wrote: > > Om Tony, > > Please allow me to wander the mind with you and share the > understanding, and misunderstandings, of my ignorance. > > I don't believe god plays dice so the chaos I see in the world I take > as a sad picture of my own contribution to the so called reality. > > Have you ever heard the story of a cow that happened to live near by > Ramana and used to go to him for satsanga? Or many other animals that > happened to feed Amma in Kerala few years ago when her family would not > support her odd behavior? I have heard stories of them both on the > subject of animals and they both explained that those animals close to > them would get a human birth on the life to come. If I am not mistaken, > Theosophy has the same line of thought so perhaps there is an answer > for you there taken that animals closer to our human dramas are said to > be next to get human bodies. > > About your phrase on " teaching the entity " , I have the understanding > that the soul can never be improved. Therefore any enhancement is also > maya which means that it resides in the ego. I was taught that our only > work is to remove ignorance instead of gaining wisdom. It's like going > to the doctor, he/she can only remove the disease because we are > already healthy. > > Finally, as I believe you have seen, the scriptures account for three > types of karma: sanchita, kriyamana and prarabdha. The last one being > which is responsible for our current body, family, country and > everything else happening at this very birth. It's written that > whenever someone realizes the self, atman, then the only karma left for > he or she to bear is prarabdha. The jiva, 'person' for lack of a better > word, will be released from sanchita and kriyamana. And this applies to > the Hitler type as well. The only detail is that such perturbed being, > excuse the judgemental mind, has much yet to deal with the predicate > rather than the subject. As Swami Dayananda says " Spirituality comes > before the verb and psycology after " (based on " I AM " ). So I could see > the apparent 'teachings' you mentioned in the Hitler type, but no > enlightenment whatsoever. > > Sages say that more important than understanding others, however, is to > understand who we truly are - beyond our psycology and logic. Knowledge > of the soul is cognitive. And to close with Nisagardatta's own > words: " There is only life, there is nobody who lives a life. " They > actually match your own: " it never really happened > at all. " > > My two cents Tony. > > Be well. > > Om, > Patricia. Namaste, I think the idea or a 'god' doing anything is where we differ. Within illusion there is a concept of a saguna or god, but this is only an energy and not a doer. The universe runs by itself---a kind of evolutionary chaos...So not mixing my apples and oranges, karma is a memory attached to our mind for there is not time ultimately..The entity is just the mind construct we call a soul.. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " omticiavarela " > <ticiavarela@> wrote: > > > > Om Tony, > > > > Please allow me to wander the mind with you and share the > > understanding, and misunderstandings, of my ignorance. > > > > I don't believe god plays dice so the chaos I see in the world I > take > > as a sad picture of my own contribution to the so called reality. > > > > Have you ever heard the story of a cow that happened to live near > by > > Ramana and used to go to him for satsanga? Or many other animals > that > > happened to feed Amma in Kerala few years ago when her family would > not > > support her odd behavior? I have heard stories of them both on the > > subject of animals and they both explained that those animals close > to > > them would get a human birth on the life to come. If I am not > mistaken, > > Theosophy has the same line of thought so perhaps there is an > answer > > for you there taken that animals closer to our human dramas are > said to > > be next to get human bodies. > > > > About your phrase on " teaching the entity " , I have the > understanding > > that the soul can never be improved. Therefore any enhancement is > also > > maya which means that it resides in the ego. I was taught that our > only > > work is to remove ignorance instead of gaining wisdom. It's like > going > > to the doctor, he/she can only remove the disease because we are > > already healthy. > > > > Finally, as I believe you have seen, the scriptures account for > three > > types of karma: sanchita, kriyamana and prarabdha. The last one > being > > which is responsible for our current body, family, country and > > everything else happening at this very birth. It's written that > > whenever someone realizes the self, atman, then the only karma left > for > > he or she to bear is prarabdha. The jiva, 'person' for lack of a > better > > word, will be released from sanchita and kriyamana. And this > applies to > > the Hitler type as well. The only detail is that such perturbed > being, > > excuse the judgemental mind, has much yet to deal with the > predicate > > rather than the subject. As Swami Dayananda says " Spirituality > comes > > before the verb and psycology after " (based on " I AM " ). So I could > see > > the apparent 'teachings' you mentioned in the Hitler type, but no > > enlightenment whatsoever. > > > > Sages say that more important than understanding others, however, > is to > > understand who we truly are - beyond our psycology and logic. > Knowledge > > of the soul is cognitive. And to close with Nisagardatta's own > > words: " There is only life, there is nobody who lives a life. " They > > actually match your own: " it never really happened > > at all. " > > > > My two cents Tony. > > > > Be well. > > > > Om, > > Patricia. > > Namaste, > > I think the idea or a 'god' doing anything is where we differ. Within > illusion there is a concept of a saguna or god, but this is only an > energy and not a doer. The universe runs by itself---a kind of > evolutionary chaos...So not mixing my apples and oranges, karma is a > memory attached to our mind for there is not time ultimately..The > entity is just the mind construct we call a soul.. oh for cryin' out loud! both of y'all are wrong,wrong,wrong. there's not a fucking thing going on. not god, not chaos, not karma, not nothing. within who's illusion? who's fucking concept? what's energy? what' it's opposite? where does all this shit supposed to happen? both of you are scared little rabbits... hoping like hell that there is some sort of 'answer'. there is not. and there isn't even a fucking question. " The entity is just the mind construct we call a soul " ??????????????? 'who' has a 'concept' about an 'entity'? what fucking rubbish. neither of you nor anyone else has any sort of idea about what IS. you guys, like frightened children of the eternal night.. need bedtime stories.. you suppose they will keep your frightened little " souls " .. (haha..oh my god!).. safe and satisfied. play on children. even if it's not very interesting it's amusing. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " omticiavarela " > > <ticiavarela@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Tony, > > > > > > Please allow me to wander the mind with you and share the > > > understanding, and misunderstandings, of my ignorance. > > > > > > I don't believe god plays dice so the chaos I see in the world I > > take > > > as a sad picture of my own contribution to the so called reality. > > > > > > Have you ever heard the story of a cow that happened to live near > > by > > > Ramana and used to go to him for satsanga? Or many other animals > > that > > > happened to feed Amma in Kerala few years ago when her family would > > not > > > support her odd behavior? I have heard stories of them both on the > > > subject of animals and they both explained that those animals close > > to > > > them would get a human birth on the life to come. If I am not > > mistaken, > > > Theosophy has the same line of thought so perhaps there is an > > answer > > > for you there taken that animals closer to our human dramas are > > said to > > > be next to get human bodies. > > > > > > About your phrase on " teaching the entity " , I have the > > understanding > > > that the soul can never be improved. Therefore any enhancement is > > also > > > maya which means that it resides in the ego. I was taught that our > > only > > > work is to remove ignorance instead of gaining wisdom. It's like > > going > > > to the doctor, he/she can only remove the disease because we are > > > already healthy. > > > > > > Finally, as I believe you have seen, the scriptures account for > > three > > > types of karma: sanchita, kriyamana and prarabdha. The last one > > being > > > which is responsible for our current body, family, country and > > > everything else happening at this very birth. It's written that > > > whenever someone realizes the self, atman, then the only karma left > > for > > > he or she to bear is prarabdha. The jiva, 'person' for lack of a > > better > > > word, will be released from sanchita and kriyamana. And this > > applies to > > > the Hitler type as well. The only detail is that such perturbed > > being, > > > excuse the judgemental mind, has much yet to deal with the > > predicate > > > rather than the subject. As Swami Dayananda says " Spirituality > > comes > > > before the verb and psycology after " (based on " I AM " ). So I could > > see > > > the apparent 'teachings' you mentioned in the Hitler type, but no > > > enlightenment whatsoever. > > > > > > Sages say that more important than understanding others, however, > > is to > > > understand who we truly are - beyond our psycology and logic. > > Knowledge > > > of the soul is cognitive. And to close with Nisagardatta's own > > > words: " There is only life, there is nobody who lives a life. " They > > > actually match your own: " it never really happened > > > at all. " > > > > > > My two cents Tony. > > > > > > Be well. > > > > > > Om, > > > Patricia. > > > > Namaste, > > > > I think the idea or a 'god' doing anything is where we differ. Within > > illusion there is a concept of a saguna or god, but this is only an > > energy and not a doer. The universe runs by itself---a kind of > > evolutionary chaos...So not mixing my apples and oranges, karma is a > > memory attached to our mind for there is not time ultimately..The > > entity is just the mind construct we call a soul.. > > > oh for cryin' out loud! > > both of y'all are wrong,wrong,wrong. > > there's not a fucking thing going on. > > not god, not chaos, not karma, not nothing. > > within who's illusion? > > who's fucking concept? > > what's energy? what' it's opposite? > > where does all this shit supposed to happen? > > both of you are scared little rabbits... > > hoping like hell that there is some sort of 'answer'. > > there is not. > > and there isn't even a fucking question. > > " The entity is just the mind construct we call a soul " ??????????????? > > 'who' has a 'concept' about an 'entity'? > > what fucking rubbish. > > neither of you nor anyone else has any sort of idea about what IS. > > you guys, like frightened children of the eternal night.. > > need bedtime stories.. > > you suppose they will keep your frightened little " souls " .. > > (haha..oh my god!).. > > safe and satisfied. > > play on children. > > even if it's not very interesting it's amusing. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > Namaste, I see you cannot distinguish between apples and oranges. I have always maintained that it never happened at all, as you will see from my entry ajativada on wikipedia. However for arguments sake one can talk apples when we know it is really oranges.Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omticiavarela " > > > <ticiavarela@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Tony, > > > > > > > > Please allow me to wander the mind with you and share the > > > > understanding, and misunderstandings, of my ignorance. > > > > > > > > I don't believe god plays dice so the chaos I see in the world > I > > > take > > > > as a sad picture of my own contribution to the so called > reality. > > > > > > > > Have you ever heard the story of a cow that happened to live > near > > > by > > > > Ramana and used to go to him for satsanga? Or many other > animals > > > that > > > > happened to feed Amma in Kerala few years ago when her family > would > > > not > > > > support her odd behavior? I have heard stories of them both on > the > > > > subject of animals and they both explained that those animals > close > > > to > > > > them would get a human birth on the life to come. If I am not > > > mistaken, > > > > Theosophy has the same line of thought so perhaps there is an > > > answer > > > > for you there taken that animals closer to our human dramas are > > > said to > > > > be next to get human bodies. > > > > > > > > About your phrase on " teaching the entity " , I have the > > > understanding > > > > that the soul can never be improved. Therefore any enhancement > is > > > also > > > > maya which means that it resides in the ego. I was taught that > our > > > only > > > > work is to remove ignorance instead of gaining wisdom. It's > like > > > going > > > > to the doctor, he/she can only remove the disease because we > are > > > > already healthy. > > > > > > > > Finally, as I believe you have seen, the scriptures account for > > > three > > > > types of karma: sanchita, kriyamana and prarabdha. The last one > > > being > > > > which is responsible for our current body, family, country and > > > > everything else happening at this very birth. It's written that > > > > whenever someone realizes the self, atman, then the only karma > left > > > for > > > > he or she to bear is prarabdha. The jiva, 'person' for lack of > a > > > better > > > > word, will be released from sanchita and kriyamana. And this > > > applies to > > > > the Hitler type as well. The only detail is that such perturbed > > > being, > > > > excuse the judgemental mind, has much yet to deal with the > > > predicate > > > > rather than the subject. As Swami Dayananda says " Spirituality > > > comes > > > > before the verb and psycology after " (based on " I AM " ). So I > could > > > see > > > > the apparent 'teachings' you mentioned in the Hitler type, but > no > > > > enlightenment whatsoever. > > > > > > > > Sages say that more important than understanding others, > however, > > > is to > > > > understand who we truly are - beyond our psycology and logic. > > > Knowledge > > > > of the soul is cognitive. And to close with Nisagardatta's own > > > > words: " There is only life, there is nobody who lives a life. " > They > > > > actually match your own: " it never really happened > > > > at all. " > > > > > > > > My two cents Tony. > > > > > > > > Be well. > > > > > > > > Om, > > > > Patricia. > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I think the idea or a 'god' doing anything is where we differ. > Within > > > illusion there is a concept of a saguna or god, but this is only > an > > > energy and not a doer. The universe runs by itself---a kind of > > > evolutionary chaos...So not mixing my apples and oranges, karma > is a > > > memory attached to our mind for there is not time ultimately..The > > > entity is just the mind construct we call a soul.. > > > > > > oh for cryin' out loud! > > > > both of y'all are wrong,wrong,wrong. > > > > there's not a fucking thing going on. > > > > not god, not chaos, not karma, not nothing. > > > > within who's illusion? > > > > who's fucking concept? > > > > what's energy? what' it's opposite? > > > > where does all this shit supposed to happen? > > > > both of you are scared little rabbits... > > > > hoping like hell that there is some sort of 'answer'. > > > > there is not. > > > > and there isn't even a fucking question. > > > > " The entity is just the mind construct we call a > soul " ??????????????? > > > > 'who' has a 'concept' about an 'entity'? > > > > what fucking rubbish. > > > > neither of you nor anyone else has any sort of idea about what IS. > > > > you guys, like frightened children of the eternal night.. > > > > need bedtime stories.. > > > > you suppose they will keep your frightened little " souls " .. > > > > (haha..oh my god!).. > > > > safe and satisfied. > > > > play on children. > > > > even if it's not very interesting it's amusing. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > Namaste, > > I see you cannot distinguish between apples and oranges. I have > always maintained that it never happened at all, as you will see from > my entry ajativada on wikipedia. However for arguments sake one can > talk apples when we know it is really oranges. there are neither apples nor oranges but that thinking makes so. who's thinking? neither thought nor thinker be. there is no you nor me. what has always been maintained by the fiction called you.. is absolute bullshit. wiki that. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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