Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Every " body " works to defend itself... even a psychological, mental " body " . Every 'entity' works to defend itself... even an 'entity' which is only mental, which is only created because of belief and conditioning. People like to hold on to their beliefs... that is a Fact! 'Conditioning' works to defend and strengthen itself... in fact, it works just like 'drugs'. Drugs work by making body " ache for " it periodically. Conditioning works by making body " ache for " ... corresponding Hormones... hormones, which work almost exactly like drugs, hormones which in their chemical composition too... are almost exactly like drugs! In addition to 'wanting to live', there is also another characteristic that all bodies, all entities share, including the psychological Ones... they want to be " accepted " and " loved " ! ....when they aren't accepted ad loved, they tried to resist, fight off and 'win' it... and, they do it... by trying to make themselves 'bigger', 'stronger', LOUDER and More Prominent! Thus, the 'external' logic and reasoning when applied without FULL unconditional Acceptance and Love... very predictably and very frequently fails... or, succeeds only in 'suppressing' and not really in " curing " ! You can NOT [externally] cure a 'condition' that arises only due to the lack of acceptance and love by further " withholding " LOVE... and, saying I will love, accept and appreciate you only when you " change " ... No matter, how " logical " and 'right' your Position looks on the Surface!!!! Love is Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! Is Gravity Logical???? I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 That is why Intimate Unconditional Love Almost Always works Better to resolve mental, psychological " problems " than the arguments, debates or... " logical " discussion of the " problem " ! Because, Psychological Problem = (feeling the) Lack Of Love! .... If you want to see how unconditional love works compared to " logical " " discussion " of the mental problems... Try it with your 3 years old son... Or, try it with your 9 years old daughter... Or, try it with your 'adult' Spouse... [ And, remember, adults are just the grown up " children " , Some of whom have learned to " hide " and to speak and behave differently... in their heart, most of them are still " children " ... which is to say... just " human " ! ] For " logic " to really work, the " love " has to be given First! Because, once the Love is Given... the 'entity' which only " arise " because of feeling the lack of Love, Appreciation and Approval… starts withdrawing on its own... seeing that it is no longer needed... seeing that its job is already done! And, then... and, Only Then... the " logic " works Wonderfully! [...] Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention... is like faulting a fish for seeking water! Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention... is like the apple for falling to the ground! [ Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! ] > > You can NOT [externally] cure a > > 'condition' that arises only due to the > > lack of acceptance and love by further > > " withholding " LOVE... and, saying I > > will love, accept and appreciate you > > only when you " change " ... > > > > No matter, how " logical " and 'right' > > your Position looks on the Surface!!!! > > > > > > Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > That is why Intimate Unconditional Love Almost > Always works Better to resolve mental, > psychological " problems " than the > > arguments, debates or... " logical " > discussion of the " problem " ! > > > > Because, > > Psychological Problem = (feeling the) Lack Of Love! > > > ... > > > If you want to see how unconditional > love works compared to " logical " " discussion " > of the mental problems... > > > Try it with your 3 years old son... > > Or, try it with your 9 years old daughter... > > > Or, try it with your 'adult' Spouse... > > > [ And, remember, adults are just the grown up " children " , > Some of whom have learned to " hide " and to > speak and behave differently... > > in their heart, most of them are still " children " ... > which is to say... just " human " ! ] > > > > > For " logic " to really work, the " love " > has to be given First! > Because, once the Love is Given... > the 'entity' which only " arise " > because of feeling the lack of Love, > Appreciation and Approval… > > starts withdrawing on its own... > seeing that it is no longer needed... > seeing that its job is already done! > > And, then... and, Only Then... > the " logic " works Wonderfully! [...] > > > Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention... > is like faulting a fish for seeking water! > > > Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention... > is like the apple for falling to the ground! > > > > [ Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! ] > > > > > > > You can NOT [externally] cure a > > > 'condition' that arises only due to the > > > lack of acceptance and love by further > > > " withholding " LOVE... and, saying I > > > will love, accept and appreciate you > > > only when you " change " ... > > > > > > No matter, how " logical " and 'right' > > > your Position looks on the Surface!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! Namaste, Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on the demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the net. However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one old lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on that altar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > That is why Intimate Unconditional Love Almost > Always works Better to resolve mental, > psychological " problems " than the > > arguments, debates or... " logical " > discussion of the " problem " ! > > > > Because, > > Psychological Problem = (feeling the) Lack Of Love! > > > ... > > > If you want to see how unconditional > love works compared to " logical " " discussion " > of the mental problems... > > > Try it with your 3 years old son... > > Or, try it with your 9 years old daughter... > > > Or, try it with your 'adult' Spouse... > > > [ And, remember, adults are just the grown up " children " , > Some of whom have learned to " hide " and to > speak and behave differently... > > in their heart, most of them are still " children " ... > which is to say... just " human " ! ] > > > > > For " logic " to really work, the " love " > has to be given First! > Because, once the Love is Given... > the 'entity' which only " arise " > because of feeling the lack of Love, > Appreciation and Approval… > > starts withdrawing on its own... > seeing that it is no longer needed... > seeing that its job is already done! > > And, then... and, Only Then... > the " logic " works Wonderfully! [...] > > > Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention... > is like faulting a fish for seeking water! > > > Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention... > is like the apple for falling to the ground! > > > > [ Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! ] > > > > > > > You can NOT [externally] cure a > > > 'condition' that arises only due to the > > > lack of acceptance and love by further > > > " withholding " LOVE... and, saying I > > > will love, accept and appreciate you > > > only when you " change " ... > > > > > > No matter, how " logical " and 'right' > > > your Position looks on the Surface!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! Namaste, Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on the demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the net. However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one old lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on that altar. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 That is fine, as long as you feel loving, kind and noble while doing it. Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive or vindictive while doing it. Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness and good will. Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, reactivity or revenge. ....irrespective of what others say about it. And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not have done. I believe in: ....Your right and duty is in the action alone, not in its results. ac > Namaste, > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on the > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the net. > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one old > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on that > altar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > That is fine, as long as you feel > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > or vindictive while doing it. > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > and good will. > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > reactivity or revenge. > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > have done. > > I believe in: > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > not in its results. > > > ac > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on the > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the net. > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one old > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on that > > altar. > > Namaste, I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier for their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or another. Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see somebody suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are complicit. I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies and their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the indefensible in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't quit...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > and good will. > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > have done. > > > > I believe in: > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > not in its results. > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on > the > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the > net. > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one > old > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on > that > > > altar. > > > > > Namaste, > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier for > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or another. > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see somebody > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are complicit. > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies and > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the indefensible > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > quit... keep you sorry sorries. they don't do you or anything else any good. just more grist for the mill. ..b b.b. p.s. struggle on little soldier. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > and good will. > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > have done. > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on > > the > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the > > net. > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one > > old > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on > > that > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier for > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or another. > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see somebody > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are complicit. > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies and > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the indefensible > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > > quit...> > > keep you sorry sorries. > > they don't do you or anything else any good. > > just more grist for the mill. > > .b b.b. > > p.s. > > struggle on little soldier. > > LOL! > I agree with Bob! Rather than 'speculating' about 'others', speculating about the gurus and followers, it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate, loving and forgiving action to you. Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate, disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual and pain producing. It carries the same cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same – ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong! ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face > on > > > the > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and > their > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around > the > > > net. > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or > one > > > old > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is > also > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation > on > > > that > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and > sorrier for > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or > another. > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see > somebody > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > complicit. > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds > of > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies > and > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > indefensible > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > > > quit...> > > > > > keep you sorry sorries. > > > > they don't do you or anything else any good. > > > > just more grist for the mill. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > p.s. > > > > struggle on little soldier. > > > > LOL! > > > > > I agree with Bob! > > Rather than 'speculating' about 'others', > speculating about the gurus and followers, > it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate, > loving and forgiving action to you. > > Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate, > disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual > and pain producing. It carries the same > cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same – > ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong! > > > ac > Namaste, No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love is an illusion..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face > > on > > > > the > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and > > their > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around > > the > > > > net. > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or > > one > > > > old > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is > > also > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own > reputation > > on > > > > that > > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and > > sorrier for > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or > > another. > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see > > somebody > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > > complicit. > > > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all > kinds > > of > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile > groupies > > and > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > > indefensible > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > > > > quit...> > > > > > > > > keep you sorry sorries. > > > > > > they don't do you or anything else any good. > > > > > > just more grist for the mill. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > struggle on little soldier. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > I agree with Bob! > > > > Rather than 'speculating' about 'others', > > speculating about the gurus and followers, > > it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate, > > loving and forgiving action to you. > > > > Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate, > > disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual > > and pain producing. It carries the same > > cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same – > > ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong! > > > > > > ac > > > Namaste, > > No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love is an > illusion..> And, " pedophile gurus " and " their devotees " " accusations " are REAL??? What kind of world do you live in? ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face > > on > > > > the > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and > > their > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around > > the > > > > net. > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or > > one > > > > old > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is > > also > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own > reputation > > on > > > > that > > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and > > sorrier for > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or > > another. > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see > > somebody > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > > complicit. > > > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all > kinds > > of > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile > groupies > > and > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > > indefensible > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > > > > quit...> > > > > > > > > keep you sorry sorries. > > > > > > they don't do you or anything else any good. > > > > > > just more grist for the mill. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > struggle on little soldier. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > I agree with Bob! > > > > Rather than 'speculating' about 'others', > > speculating about the gurus and followers, > > it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate, > > loving and forgiving action to you. > > > > Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate, > > disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual > > and pain producing. It carries the same > > cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same – > > ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong! > > > > > > ac > > > Namaste, > > No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love is an > illusion.. if there's no such thing as love.. there's no such thing as hate. what fucking world do you live in sport? i guess all the bullshit fighting going on around the globe.. is just in your imagination. speculate about that if and when you get the guts.. to join the fictitious army.. pick up a speculated gun... watch a few of your fucking friends get blown away. try that for evidence and personal experience.. you'll love that game. oops.. no such thing as love. you're nuts pal. or your producing one hell of an illusion of a nutzoid for all to see. ..b b.b. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and > > > their > > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around > > > the > > > > > net. > > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or > > > one > > > > > old > > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is > > > also > > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own > > reputation > > > on > > > > > that > > > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and > > > sorrier for > > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or > > > another. > > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see > > > somebody > > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > > > complicit. > > > > > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all > > kinds > > > of > > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile > > groupies > > > and > > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > > > indefensible > > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > > > > > quit...> > > > > > > > > > > > keep you sorry sorries. > > > > > > > > they don't do you or anything else any good. > > > > > > > > just more grist for the mill. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > > > struggle on little soldier. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Bob! > > > > > > Rather than 'speculating' about 'others', > > > speculating about the gurus and followers, > > > it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate, > > > loving and forgiving action to you. > > > > > > Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate, > > > disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual > > > and pain producing. It carries the same > > > cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same – > > > ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong! > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > Namaste, > > > > No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love is an > > illusion..> > > if there's no such thing as love.. > > there's no such thing as hate. > > what fucking world do you live in sport? > > i guess all the bullshit fighting going on around the globe.. > > is just in your imagination. > > speculate about that if and when you get the guts.. > > to join the fictitious army.. > > pick up a speculated gun... > > watch a few of your fucking friends get blown away. > > try that for evidence and personal experience.. > > you'll love that game. > > oops.. > > no such thing as love. > > you're nuts pal. > > or your producing one hell of an illusion of a nutzoid for all to see. > > .b b.b. > > .b b.b. > Namaste, There are different types of Love only the ultimate is true the normal understanding is just emotion, and sentiment and is binding..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from > other > > > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving > face > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus > and > > > > their > > > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda > around > > > > the > > > > > > net. > > > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile > ring or > > > > one > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me > is > > > > also > > > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own > > > reputation > > > > on > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and > > > > sorrier for > > > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason > or > > > > another. > > > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you > see > > > > somebody > > > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > > > > complicit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all > > > kinds > > > > of > > > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile > > > groupies > > > > and > > > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > > > > indefensible > > > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who > doesn't > > > > > > quit...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep you sorry sorries. > > > > > > > > > > they don't do you or anything else any good. > > > > > > > > > > just more grist for the mill. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > > > > > struggle on little soldier. > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Bob! > > > > > > > > Rather than 'speculating' about 'others', > > > > speculating about the gurus and followers, > > > > it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate, > > > > loving and forgiving action to you. > > > > > > > > Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate, > > > > disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual > > > > and pain producing. It carries the same > > > > cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same – > > > > ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love > is an > > > illusion..> > > > > > if there's no such thing as love.. > > > > there's no such thing as hate. > > > > what fucking world do you live in sport? > > > > i guess all the bullshit fighting going on around the globe.. > > > > is just in your imagination. > > > > speculate about that if and when you get the guts.. > > > > to join the fictitious army.. > > > > pick up a speculated gun... > > > > watch a few of your fucking friends get blown away. > > > > try that for evidence and personal experience.. > > > > you'll love that game. > > > > oops.. > > > > no such thing as love. > > > > you're nuts pal. > > > > or your producing one hell of an illusion of a nutzoid for all to > see. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Namaste, > > There are different types of Love only the ultimate is true the > normal understanding is just emotion, and sentiment and is > binding.. if only the 'ultimate' is 'true'... what the hell do you mean by: " There are different types of Love " ? that ipso facto then is a false statement. you're the one who's being sentimental. nothing is bound on earth nor 'heaven'. there are no 'different' entities to ever have come unbound. but 'you' seem to be bound by your faulty concepts... how emotional tony LOL! ..b b.b.. 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Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > and good will. > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > have done. > > > > I believe in: > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > not in its results. > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on > the > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the > net. > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one > old > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on > that > > > altar. > > > > > Namaste, > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier for > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or another. > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see somebody > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are complicit. > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies and > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the indefensible > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > quit... Namaste, Also most human and animal love is attachment, sentiment and emotion. True Love is static blissful energy which doesn't move at all. That is whay it is blissful, only the mind moves. Ultimately this Love is also unreal for it is of Saguana and therefore illusion that never happened. However not mixing apples and oranges; Lets give some validity to Saguna for arguments sake within illusion. Rama destroyed many true devotees fighting for Ravana and even in the end Ravana himself. Ram used real weapons and even nuclear weapons which are indiscriminate, one could argue all kind of things against Ram. However Ram wasn't attached to the seemingly evil actions he took against Ravana's followers, for he was a aware he was within illusion all the time, and playing a role a karmic role. Weapons are weapons and words are weapons if there is a battle then one uses the weapons at hand with no attachment, even if it sounds like all kind of emotion on the surface. I would quite willingly neurtralise followers of an evil guru or pedophile guru for example. For what the 'evil' the guru does is to divert people from their own path for his own selfish reasons, and that is what 'evil' is. As Ravana did and Rama neutralised him and his devotees with what weapons he had at hand.......So words like hate, love, anger are mostly emotional translations and perceptions and belong to the world of illusion........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > and good will. > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > have done. > > > > I believe in: > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > not in its results. > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on > the > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the > net. > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one > old > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on > that > > > altar. > > > > > Namaste, > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier for > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or another. > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see somebody > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are complicit. > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies and > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the indefensible > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > quit... Namaste, Also most human and animal love is attachment, sentiment and emotion. True Love is static blissful energy which doesn't move at all. That is whay it is blissful, only the mind moves. Ultimately this Love is also unreal for it is of Saguana and therefore illusion that never happened. However not mixing apples and oranges; Lets give some validity to Saguna for arguments sake within illusion. Rama destroyed many true devotees fighting for Ravana and even in the end Ravana himself. Ram used real weapons and even nuclear weapons which are indiscriminate, one could argue all kind of things against Ram. However Ram wasn't attached to the seemingly evil actions he took against Ravana's followers, for he was a aware he was within illusion all the time, and playing a role a karmic role. Weapons are weapons and words are weapons if there is a battle then one uses the weapons at hand with no attachment, even if it sounds like all kind of emotion on the surface. I would quite willingly neurtralise followers of an evil guru or pedophile guru for example. For what the 'evil' the guru does is to divert people from their own path for his own selfish reasons, and that is what 'evil' is. As Ravana did and Rama neutralised him and his devotees with what weapons he had at hand.......So words like hate, love, anger are mostly emotional translations and perceptions and belong to the world of illusion........Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > and good will. > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > have done. > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on > > the > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and > their > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the > > net. > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one > > old > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on > > that > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier > for > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or > another. > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see > somebody > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > complicit. > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies > and > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > indefensible > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > > quit...> > Namaste, > > Also most human and animal love is attachment, sentiment and emotion. no..ALL (not most) such love is such. so what? > True Love is static blissful energy which doesn't move at all. nothing moves, changes. bliss is for suckers. That is whay it is blissful, only the mind moves. not the wind, not the flag, not the mind. nothing moves nor stays still. Ultimately this Love is > also unreal for it is of Saguana and therefore illusion that never > happened. i don't believe that you said that. no matter. s'alright. you really didn't say that.. why..nothing happened. > However not mixing apples and oranges; Lets give some validity to > Saguna for arguments sake within illusion. no. and you're too hung up on apples and oranges. get real will you. there isn't even illusion. my goodness...who would it be illusion for? > Rama destroyed many true devotees fighting for Ravana and even in the > end Ravana himself. Ram used real weapons and even nuclear weapons > which are indiscriminate, one could argue all kind of things against > Ram. However Ram wasn't attached to the seemingly evil actions he > took against Ravana's followers, for he was a aware he was within > illusion all the time, and playing a role a karmic role. > Weapons are weapons and words are weapons if there is a battle then > one uses the weapons at hand with no attachment, even if it sounds > like all kind of emotion on the surface. I would quite willingly > neurtralise followers of an evil guru or pedophile guru for example. > For what the 'evil' the guru does is to divert people from their own > path for his own selfish reasons, and that is what 'evil' is. As > Ravana did and Rama neutralised him and his devotees with what > weapons he had at hand....... oh shit! cut that crap out will you. >So words like hate, love, anger are > mostly emotional translations and perceptions and belong to the world > of illusion........Tony. who's illusion? who's world? nothing requires translation. it's all and everything and nothing whatsoever... right HERE..NOW..for no one. it's a bitch but it's the only game in town. and besides.. there's nothing else but this nothing. so live with it and live it and quit trying to make it mysterious. it isn't mysterious. IT IS. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on > > > the > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and > > their > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the > > > net. > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one > > > old > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on > > > that > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier > > for > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or > > another. > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see > > somebody > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > > complicit. > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies > > and > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > > indefensible > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > > > quit...> > > > Namaste, > > > > Also most human and animal love is attachment, sentiment and emotion. > > > > > no..ALL (not most) such love is such. > > so what? > True Love is static blissful energy which doesn't move at all. > > > > > nothing moves, changes. > > bliss is for suckers. > > > > That is whay it is blissful, only the mind moves. > > > > > not the wind, not the flag, not the mind. > > nothing moves nor stays still. Ultimately this Love is > > also unreal for it is of Saguana and therefore illusion that never > > happened. > > > > > i don't believe that you said that. > > no matter. > > s'alright. > > you really didn't say that.. > > why..nothing happened. > > > > > However not mixing apples and oranges; Lets give some validity to > > Saguna for arguments sake within illusion. > > > > > no. > > and you're too hung up on apples and oranges. > > get real will you. > > there isn't even illusion. > > my goodness...who would it be illusion for? > > > > > > Rama destroyed many true devotees fighting for Ravana and even in the > > end Ravana himself. Ram used real weapons and even nuclear weapons > > which are indiscriminate, one could argue all kind of things against > > Ram. However Ram wasn't attached to the seemingly evil actions he > > took against Ravana's followers, for he was a aware he was within > > illusion all the time, and playing a role a karmic role. > > Weapons are weapons and words are weapons if there is a battle then > > one uses the weapons at hand with no attachment, even if it sounds > > like all kind of emotion on the surface. I would quite willingly > > neurtralise followers of an evil guru or pedophile guru for example. > > For what the 'evil' the guru does is to divert people from their own > > path for his own selfish reasons, and that is what 'evil' is. As > > Ravana did and Rama neutralised him and his devotees with what > > weapons he had at hand....... > > > > > > oh shit! > > cut that crap out will you. > > > > > >So words like hate, love, anger are > > mostly emotional translations and perceptions and belong to the world > > of illusion........Tony. > > > > > who's illusion? > > who's world? > > nothing requires translation. > > it's all and everything and nothing whatsoever... > > right HERE..NOW..for no one. > > it's a bitch but it's the only game in town. > > and besides.. > > there's nothing else but this nothing. > > so live with it and live it and quit trying to make it mysterious. > > it isn't mysterious. > > IT IS. > > > .b b.b. > Namaste, Apples ---it happens or there is appearance. Oranges..Para-Advaita/Nirguna --it never happened at all...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face > on > > > > the > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and > > > their > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around > the > > > > net. > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or > one > > > > old > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is > also > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own > reputation on > > > > that > > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and > sorrier > > > for > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or > > > another. > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see > > > somebody > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > > > complicit. > > > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all > kinds of > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile > groupies > > > and > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > > > indefensible > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > > > > quit...> > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Also most human and animal love is attachment, sentiment and > emotion. > > > > > > > > > > no..ALL (not most) such love is such. > > > > so what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True Love is static blissful energy which doesn't move at all. > > > > > > > > > > nothing moves, changes. > > > > bliss is for suckers. > > > > > > > > That is whay it is blissful, only the mind moves. > > > > > > > > > > not the wind, not the flag, not the mind. > > > > nothing moves nor stays still. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ultimately this Love is > > > also unreal for it is of Saguana and therefore illusion that > never > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe that you said that. > > > > no matter. > > > > s'alright. > > > > you really didn't say that.. > > > > why..nothing happened. > > > > > > > > > However not mixing apples and oranges; Lets give some validity to > > > Saguna for arguments sake within illusion. > > > > > > > > > > no. > > > > and you're too hung up on apples and oranges. > > > > get real will you. > > > > there isn't even illusion. > > > > my goodness...who would it be illusion for? > > > > > > > > > > > Rama destroyed many true devotees fighting for Ravana and even in > the > > > end Ravana himself. Ram used real weapons and even nuclear > weapons > > > which are indiscriminate, one could argue all kind of things > against > > > Ram. However Ram wasn't attached to the seemingly evil actions he > > > took against Ravana's followers, for he was a aware he was within > > > illusion all the time, and playing a role a karmic role. > > > Weapons are weapons and words are weapons if there is a battle > then > > > one uses the weapons at hand with no attachment, even if it > sounds > > > like all kind of emotion on the surface. I would quite willingly > > > neurtralise followers of an evil guru or pedophile guru for > example. > > > For what the 'evil' the guru does is to divert people from their > own > > > path for his own selfish reasons, and that is what 'evil' is. > As > > > Ravana did and Rama neutralised him and his devotees with what > > > weapons he had at hand....... > > > > > > > > > > > > oh shit! > > > > cut that crap out will you. > > > > > > > > > > >So words like hate, love, anger are > > > mostly emotional translations and perceptions and belong to the > world > > > of illusion........Tony. > > > > > > > > > > who's illusion? > > > > who's world? > > > > nothing requires translation. > > > > it's all and everything and nothing whatsoever... > > > > right HERE..NOW..for no one. > > > > it's a bitch but it's the only game in town. > > > > and besides.. > > > > there's nothing else but this nothing. > > > > so live with it and live it and quit trying to make it mysterious. > > > > it isn't mysterious. > > > > IT IS. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > Namaste, > > Apples ---it happens or there is appearance. to whom is there appearance? > Oranges..Para-Advaita/Nirguna --it never happened at all... for whom has it never happened? what does 'happen' even mean? Myaste, ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other > > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and > > > > their > > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around > > the > > > > > net. > > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or > > one > > > > > old > > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is > > also > > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own > > reputation on > > > > > that > > > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and > > sorrier > > > > for > > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or > > > > another. > > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see > > > > somebody > > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > > > > complicit. > > > > > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all > > kinds of > > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile > > groupies > > > > and > > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > > > > indefensible > > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't > > > > > quit...> > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Also most human and animal love is attachment, sentiment and > > emotion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no..ALL (not most) such love is such. > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True Love is static blissful energy which doesn't move at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing moves, changes. > > > > > > bliss is for suckers. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is whay it is blissful, only the mind moves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not the wind, not the flag, not the mind. > > > > > > nothing moves nor stays still. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ultimately this Love is > > > > also unreal for it is of Saguana and therefore illusion that > > never > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe that you said that. > > > > > > no matter. > > > > > > s'alright. > > > > > > you really didn't say that.. > > > > > > why..nothing happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > However not mixing apples and oranges; Lets give some validity to > > > > Saguna for arguments sake within illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no. > > > > > > and you're too hung up on apples and oranges. > > > > > > get real will you. > > > > > > there isn't even illusion. > > > > > > my goodness...who would it be illusion for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rama destroyed many true devotees fighting for Ravana and even in > > the > > > > end Ravana himself. Ram used real weapons and even nuclear > > weapons > > > > which are indiscriminate, one could argue all kind of things > > against > > > > Ram. However Ram wasn't attached to the seemingly evil actions he > > > > took against Ravana's followers, for he was a aware he was within > > > > illusion all the time, and playing a role a karmic role. > > > > Weapons are weapons and words are weapons if there is a battle > > then > > > > one uses the weapons at hand with no attachment, even if it > > sounds > > > > like all kind of emotion on the surface. I would quite willingly > > > > neurtralise followers of an evil guru or pedophile guru for > > example. > > > > For what the 'evil' the guru does is to divert people from their > > own > > > > path for his own selfish reasons, and that is what 'evil' is. > > As > > > > Ravana did and Rama neutralised him and his devotees with what > > > > weapons he had at hand....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh shit! > > > > > > cut that crap out will you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So words like hate, love, anger are > > > > mostly emotional translations and perceptions and belong to the > > world > > > > of illusion........Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's illusion? > > > > > > who's world? > > > > > > nothing requires translation. > > > > > > it's all and everything and nothing whatsoever... > > > > > > right HERE..NOW..for no one. > > > > > > it's a bitch but it's the only game in town. > > > > > > and besides.. > > > > > > there's nothing else but this nothing. > > > > > > so live with it and live it and quit trying to make it mysterious. > > > > > > it isn't mysterious. > > > > > > IT IS. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Apples ---it happens or there is appearance. > > > > > to whom is there appearance? > > > > > > Oranges..Para-Advaita/Nirguna --it never happened at all...> > > > for whom has it never happened? > > what does 'happen' even mean? > > > > Myaste, > > .b b.b. > Namaste, Stick your head up your arse gasp for breath and see if anything happens........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from > other > > > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving > face > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus > and > > > > > their > > > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda > around > > > the > > > > > > net. > > > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile > ring or > > > one > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me > is > > > also > > > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own > > > reputation on > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and > > > sorrier > > > > > for > > > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason > or > > > > > another. > > > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you > see > > > > > somebody > > > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > > > > > complicit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all > > > kinds of > > > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile > > > groupies > > > > > and > > > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > > > > > indefensible > > > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who > doesn't > > > > > > quit...> > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Also most human and animal love is attachment, sentiment and > > > emotion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no..ALL (not most) such love is such. > > > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True Love is static blissful energy which doesn't move at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing moves, changes. > > > > > > > > bliss is for suckers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is whay it is blissful, only the mind moves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not the wind, not the flag, not the mind. > > > > > > > > nothing moves nor stays still. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ultimately this Love is > > > > > also unreal for it is of Saguana and therefore illusion that > > > never > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe that you said that. > > > > > > > > no matter. > > > > > > > > s'alright. > > > > > > > > you really didn't say that.. > > > > > > > > why..nothing happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However not mixing apples and oranges; Lets give some > validity to > > > > > Saguna for arguments sake within illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no. > > > > > > > > and you're too hung up on apples and oranges. > > > > > > > > get real will you. > > > > > > > > there isn't even illusion. > > > > > > > > my goodness...who would it be illusion for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rama destroyed many true devotees fighting for Ravana and > even in > > > the > > > > > end Ravana himself. Ram used real weapons and even nuclear > > > weapons > > > > > which are indiscriminate, one could argue all kind of things > > > against > > > > > Ram. However Ram wasn't attached to the seemingly evil > actions he > > > > > took against Ravana's followers, for he was a aware he was > within > > > > > illusion all the time, and playing a role a karmic role. > > > > > Weapons are weapons and words are weapons if there is a > battle > > > then > > > > > one uses the weapons at hand with no attachment, even if it > > > sounds > > > > > like all kind of emotion on the surface. I would quite > willingly > > > > > neurtralise followers of an evil guru or pedophile guru for > > > example. > > > > > For what the 'evil' the guru does is to divert people from > their > > > own > > > > > path for his own selfish reasons, and that is what 'evil' > is. > > > As > > > > > Ravana did and Rama neutralised him and his devotees with > what > > > > > weapons he had at hand....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh shit! > > > > > > > > cut that crap out will you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So words like hate, love, anger are > > > > > mostly emotional translations and perceptions and belong to > the > > > world > > > > > of illusion........Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's illusion? > > > > > > > > who's world? > > > > > > > > nothing requires translation. > > > > > > > > it's all and everything and nothing whatsoever... > > > > > > > > right HERE..NOW..for no one. > > > > > > > > it's a bitch but it's the only game in town. > > > > > > > > and besides.. > > > > > > > > there's nothing else but this nothing. > > > > > > > > so live with it and live it and quit trying to make it > mysterious. > > > > > > > > it isn't mysterious. > > > > > > > > IT IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Apples ---it happens or there is appearance. > > > > > > > > > > to whom is there appearance? > > > > > > > > > > > Oranges..Para-Advaita/Nirguna --it never happened at all...> > > > > > > > for whom has it never happened? > > > > what does 'happen' even mean? > > > > > > > > Myaste, > > > > .b b.b. > > > Namaste, > > Stick your head up your arse gasp for breath and see if anything > happens........> You are a fucking idiot and coward, Tony! And, you are deeply dishonest and disingenuous. Due to your extremely low character you damage the very cause that on surface you try to support. It is extremely difficult to trust any word of a disingenuous coward like you. You just keep sucking more blood... that is all you have really done on these forum, you " low life " Parasite! May you learn to live with some honesty and courage... And, if not... may you learn to live yourself inside your little sorry " hole " ... You come across as being thousand times sicker than the gurus you claim to fight. May you get Some Real Courage... ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel > > > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive > > > > > > > or vindictive while doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness > > > > > > > and good will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred, > > > > > > > reactivity or revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not > > > > > > > have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe in: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone, > > > > > > > not in its results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from > other > > > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving > face > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus > and > > > > > their > > > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda > around > > > the > > > > > > net. > > > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile > ring or > > > one > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me > is > > > also > > > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own > > > reputation on > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > altar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and > > > sorrier > > > > > for > > > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason > or > > > > > another. > > > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you > see > > > > > somebody > > > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are > > > > > complicit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all > > > kinds of > > > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile > > > groupies > > > > > and > > > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the > > > > > indefensible > > > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who > doesn't > > > > > > quit...> > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Also most human and animal love is attachment, sentiment and > > > emotion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no..ALL (not most) such love is such. > > > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True Love is static blissful energy which doesn't move at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing moves, changes. > > > > > > > > bliss is for suckers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is whay it is blissful, only the mind moves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not the wind, not the flag, not the mind. > > > > > > > > nothing moves nor stays still. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ultimately this Love is > > > > > also unreal for it is of Saguana and therefore illusion that > > > never > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe that you said that. > > > > > > > > no matter. > > > > > > > > s'alright. > > > > > > > > you really didn't say that.. > > > > > > > > why..nothing happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However not mixing apples and oranges; Lets give some > validity to > > > > > Saguna for arguments sake within illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no. > > > > > > > > and you're too hung up on apples and oranges. > > > > > > > > get real will you. > > > > > > > > there isn't even illusion. > > > > > > > > my goodness...who would it be illusion for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rama destroyed many true devotees fighting for Ravana and > even in > > > the > > > > > end Ravana himself. Ram used real weapons and even nuclear > > > weapons > > > > > which are indiscriminate, one could argue all kind of things > > > against > > > > > Ram. However Ram wasn't attached to the seemingly evil > actions he > > > > > took against Ravana's followers, for he was a aware he was > within > > > > > illusion all the time, and playing a role a karmic role. > > > > > Weapons are weapons and words are weapons if there is a > battle > > > then > > > > > one uses the weapons at hand with no attachment, even if it > > > sounds > > > > > like all kind of emotion on the surface. I would quite > willingly > > > > > neurtralise followers of an evil guru or pedophile guru for > > > example. > > > > > For what the 'evil' the guru does is to divert people from > their > > > own > > > > > path for his own selfish reasons, and that is what 'evil' > is. > > > As > > > > > Ravana did and Rama neutralised him and his devotees with > what > > > > > weapons he had at hand....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh shit! > > > > > > > > cut that crap out will you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So words like hate, love, anger are > > > > > mostly emotional translations and perceptions and belong to > the > > > world > > > > > of illusion........Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's illusion? > > > > > > > > who's world? > > > > > > > > nothing requires translation. > > > > > > > > it's all and everything and nothing whatsoever... > > > > > > > > right HERE..NOW..for no one. > > > > > > > > it's a bitch but it's the only game in town. > > > > > > > > and besides.. > > > > > > > > there's nothing else but this nothing. > > > > > > > > so live with it and live it and quit trying to make it > mysterious. > > > > > > > > it isn't mysterious. > > > > > > > > IT IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Apples ---it happens or there is appearance. > > > > > > > > > > to whom is there appearance? > > > > > > > > > > > Oranges..Para-Advaita/Nirguna --it never happened at all...> > > > > > > > for whom has it never happened? > > > > what does 'happen' even mean? > > > > > > > > Myaste, > > > > .b b.b. > > > Namaste, > > Stick your head up your arse gasp for breath and see if anything > happens........ this is something you like to do with yourself? you fucking vile bastard... keep your god damned filthy habits to yourself. not everyone is a pervert like you. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 > > > > > > > > > Myaste, > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Stick your head up your arse gasp for breath and see if anything > > happens........> > > > > You are a fucking idiot and coward, Tony! > > And, you are deeply dishonest and disingenuous. > > Due to your extremely low character you > damage the very cause that on surface you > try to support. > > It is extremely difficult to trust any word > of a disingenuous coward like you. > > You just keep sucking more blood... > that is all you have really done > on these forum, you " low life " Parasite! > > > May you learn to live with some honesty and courage... > > And, if not... may you learn to live yourself inside > your little sorry " hole " ... > > > You come across as being thousand times sicker > than the gurus you claim to fight. > > > May you get Some Real Courage... > > > ac > Namaste, I have no cause to follow, there is nothing for me to do, your words fall off me like water off a duck's back.......Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 --- In > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Stick your head up your arse gasp for breath and see if anything > > happens........> > > this is something you like to do with yourself? > > you fucking vile bastard... > > keep your god damned filthy habits to yourself. > > not everyone is a pervert like you. > > .b b.b. > Namaste, What 's wrong didn't like the smell up there.......Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 there is nothing problematic about anything if one is pure in ones watching... if one is not pure in ones watching however then many appaerent problems arise... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > there is nothing problematic about anything > if one is pure in ones watching... > > if one is not pure in ones watching however > then many appaerent problems arise... > ...iietsa > Isn't that dependent on WHAT one is watching, not WHO is watching? ~Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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