Does All perception of events have impact on Reality

[Guest guest]

Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this really have any

Impact on What

can't be perceived?

 

This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that is secondary to

the unravelling

of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

 

The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving today. Where is

the heaven

for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

 

Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that happens is

dissolution. Is this not

the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in awareness, is ego's

letting go and dying

in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

 

After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946 wrote:

>

> Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this really

have any Impact on What

> can't be perceived?

>

> This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that is

secondary to the unravelling

> of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

>

> The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

today. Where is the heaven

> for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

>

> Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

happens is dissolution. Is this not

> the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in awareness, is

ego's letting go and dying

> in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

>

> After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

>

 

the world is but a shadow...

as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is denied

....instead of identifying with the body and going out to the world

....let the body and the world come to you...

....iietsa

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> >

> > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this really

> have any Impact on What

> > can't be perceived?

> >

> > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that is

> secondary to the unravelling

> > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> >

> > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> today. Where is the heaven

> > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

> >

> > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in awareness, is

> ego's letting go and dying

> > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> >

> > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> >

>

> the world is but a shadow...

> as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is denied

> ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the world

> ...let the body and the world come to you...

> ...iietsa

>

How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is real pure self?

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> >

> > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this really

> have any Impact on What

> > can't be perceived?

> >

> > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that is

> secondary to the unravelling

> > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> >

> > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> today. Where is the heaven

> > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

> >

> > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in awareness, is

> ego's letting go and dying

> > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> >

> > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> >

>

> the world is but a shadow...

> as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is denied

> ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the world

> ...let the body and the world come to you...

> ...iietsa

 

 

'you' are not other than the 'body' and the 'world'.

 

nothing comes or goes..nor will it ever.

 

IT has never been NOT..nor will it ever not be.

 

'you' are a lost little lamb.

 

come follow ME...

 

I AM...

 

I am the WAY.

 

I am the LIFE.

 

I am ALL THINGS.

 

and your just one of those many lost things...

 

for I have lost my self/life/thoughts and things..

 

and must needs be am become my own NOTHINGNESS.

 

'you' wouldn't understand.

 

that's why you speak such gibberish all the time.

 

as long as you are a creature of time and space..

 

you will continue and continue and continue..

 

to be so confused.

 

My Deliverance is assured!

 

so take heart iietsa..

 

even for you there is a Day of GLORY.

 

but you must need be lost to that nonsense you rattle on with first.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this

really

> > have any Impact on What

> > > can't be perceived?

> > >

> > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that

is

> > secondary to the unravelling

> > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > >

> > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> > today. Where is the heaven

> > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

> > >

> > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

awareness, is

> > ego's letting go and dying

> > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > >

> > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > >

> >

> > the world is but a shadow...

> > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is

denied

> > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the

world

> > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > ...iietsa

> >

> How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is real pure

self?

>

 

it really does not matter how things have come to be as they are...

(if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very business

will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )

the world or the body is an object...

the real self is not an object...

if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what you are

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this

> really

> > > have any Impact on What

> > > > can't be perceived?

> > > >

> > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that

> is

> > > secondary to the unravelling

> > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > > >

> > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> > > today. Where is the heaven

> > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

> > > >

> > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> > > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

> awareness, is

> > > ego's letting go and dying

> > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > > >

> > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > > >

> > >

> > > the world is but a shadow...

> > > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is

> denied

> > > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the

> world

> > > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is real pure

> self?

> >

>

> it really does not matter how things have come to be as they are...

> (if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very business

> will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )

> the world or the body is an object...

> the real self is not an object...

> if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what you are

> ...iietsa

 

 

 

'you' are totally wrong.

 

ONLY form has totality.

 

when you drop FORM..SPACE...TIME..LAW..FORCE..ENERGY..MATTER..et al..

 

Right back where IT always IS...IS.

 

until such paradoxical MOMENT..

 

you will continue to need to use false statements...

 

like the one posted regarding identity with form above.

 

this is alright.

 

it is the natural progression of events..

 

for lost lambs..

 

and other misguided children of uncomprehending darkness.

 

you will SEE.

 

but 'you' do not now so see.

 

be gentle and mild and SEEK for that which you only talk about.

 

whenever 'you find' " IT " ..

 

by losing SELF as well as self..

 

IT will be seen how wrong you now are.

 

there will be REJOICING in Heaven and Earth..

 

I bid you come.

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

but there is no individual being to identify or not..identity drops by itself unless it does not.. dianaiietsa <iietsa wrote: Nisargadatta , "Jaya" <jaya1946 wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "iietsa" <iietsa@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "Jaya"

<jaya1946@> wrote:> > >> > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this really > > have any Impact on What > > > can't be perceived?> > > > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that is > > secondary to the unravelling > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I. > > > > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving > > today. Where is the heaven > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World? > > > > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that > > happens is dissolution. Is this not > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in awareness, is >

> ego's letting go and dying > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!> > > > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!> > >> > > > the world is but a shadow...> > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is denied> > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the world > > ...let the body and the world come to you...> > ...iietsa> >> How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is real pure self?>it really does not matter how things have come to be as they are...(if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very business will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )the world or the body is an object...the real self is not an object...if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what you

are...iietsa

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Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam

wrote:

>

> but there is no individual being to identify or not..identity drops

by itself unless it does not.. diana

 

 

when being identifies with the body the story begins...

and when the being is pure there is no story...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@>

> wrote:

> >

> > but there is no individual being to identify or not..identity drops

> by itself unless it does not.. diana

>

>

> when being identifies with the body the story begins...

> and when the being is pure there is no story...

> ...iietsa

 

 

that's a strange story.

 

and you're sticking to it.

 

attachment to stories is a losing battle.

 

that's the pure truth.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946 wrote:

>

> Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point,

 

***************************

When you wake up, you'll forget all about it.

***************************

 

Does this really have any Impact on What

> can't be perceived?

 

***************************

What impact can a dream really have?

***************************

 

>

> This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that is

secondary to the unravelling

> of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

 

***************************

The more questions you ask, the more unravelling you'll have to do.

***************************

 

>

> The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

today.

 

***************************

It's all part of the dream. Let it go.

***************************

 

Where is the heaven

> for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

 

***************************

What world? The one that's reaching a breaking point? Heaven is

waking up from it all.

***************************

>

> Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

happens is dissolution. Is this not

> the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in awareness, is

ego's letting go and dying

> in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

>

> After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

>

 

*************

It is what it is.

*************

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this

> really

> > > have any Impact on What

> > > > can't be perceived?

> > > >

> > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that

> is

> > > secondary to the unravelling

> > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > > >

> > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> > > today. Where is the heaven

> > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

> > > >

> > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> > > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

> awareness, is

> > > ego's letting go and dying

> > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > > >

> > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > > >

> > >

> > > the world is but a shadow...

> > > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is

> denied

> > > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the

> world

> > > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is real pure

> self?

> >

>

> it really does not matter how things have come to be as they are...

> (if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very business

> will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )

> the world or the body is an object...

> the real self is not an object...

> if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what you are

> ...iietsa

>

this is so if you identify you become more entangled with what is not: But

both the you

and what you identify with are all the same both are unreal! Waking, Dream

states are all appearances in Consciousness and Consciousness only appears and

disappears on the The

Unknowable Reality which doesn't even no it exists without this Consciousness,

the dilemma is Consciousness isn't really Reality, It is and it isn't, without

Reality,

Consciousness doesn't exist. To understand Reality is all that really needs to

Happen there

is no question of becoming reality, all appearances in the finale understanding

can only

have the power to appear because Reality is, But Reality has nothing to do with

the appearance of Consciousness and the activity that appears to take place!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> >

> > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point,

>

> ***************************

> When you wake up, you'll forget all about it.

> ***************************

>

> Does this really have any Impact on What

> > can't be perceived?

>

> ***************************

> What impact can a dream really have?

> ***************************

>

> >

> > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that is

> secondary to the unravelling

> > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

>

> ***************************

> The more questions you ask, the more unravelling you'll have to do.

> ***************************

>

> >

> > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> today.

>

> ***************************

> It's all part of the dream. Let it go.

> ***************************

>

> Where is the heaven

> > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

>

> ***************************

> What world? The one that's reaching a breaking point? Heaven is

> waking up from it all.

> ***************************

> >

> > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in awareness, is

> ego's letting go and dying

> > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> >

> > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> >

>

> *************

> It is what it is.

> *************

>What appears as isness isn't true, perception of what is appearing is a

automatic reflex in

the waking and dream states, the illusion is to take the perceiver as your true

face! Is implies a knower of is!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@>

> wrote:

> >

> > but there is no individual being to identify or not..identity drops

> by itself unless it does not.. diana

>

The problem then is a identifier with the Universal Being has a Self, In

the appearance

of waking state there is a conditioning of identity that automatically happens,

also there is

the so called mind that is part and parcel of this apparent process, the mind

needs to

unravel it's own untruth through understanding of what's not Real. That this can

happen

the mind needs to desire this to happen the motivation is usually the suffering

with is a inherent part of Consciousness. Jaya

>

> when being identifies with the body the story begins...

> and when the being is pure there is no story...

> ...iietsa

>

Being is a state, which implies a activity. To Be is a Stateless State,

which can't be

Known. Jaya

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this

> > really

> > > > have any Impact on What

> > > > > can't be perceived?

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that

> > is

> > > > secondary to the unravelling

> > > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > > > >

> > > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> > > > today. Where is the heaven

> > > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

> > > > >

> > > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> > > > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

> > awareness, is

> > > > ego's letting go and dying

> > > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > > > >

> > > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > the world is but a shadow...

> > > > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is

> > denied

> > > > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the

> > world

> > > > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is real pure

> > self?

> > >

> >

> > it really does not matter how things have come to be as they are...

> > (if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very business

> > will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )

> > the world or the body is an object...

> > the real self is not an object...

> > if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what you are

> > ...iietsa

> >

> this is so if you identify you become more entangled with what is not: But

both the

you

> and what you identify with are all the same both are unreal! Waking, Dream

states are

all appearances in Consciousness and Consciousness only appears and disappears

on the

The

> Unknowable Reality which doesn't even no it exists without this Consciousness,

the

dilemma is Consciousness isn't really Reality, It is and it isn't, without

Reality,

> Consciousness doesn't exist. To understand Reality is all that really needs to

Happen

there

> is no question of becoming reality, all appearances in the finale

understanding can only

> have the power to appear because Reality is, But Reality has nothing to do

with the

appearance of Consciousness and the activity that appears to take place! Jaya

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , diana shellam

<diana.shellam@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > but there is no individual being to identify or not..identity

drops

> > by itself unless it does not.. diana

> >

> The problem then is a identifier with the Universal Being has

a Self, In the appearance

> of waking state there is a conditioning of identity that

automatically happens, also there is

> the so called mind that is part and parcel of this apparent

process, the mind needs to

> unravel it's own untruth through understanding of what's not Real.

That this can happen

> the mind needs to desire this to happen the motivation is usually

the suffering with is a inherent part of Consciousness. Jaya

> >

> > when being identifies with the body the story begins...

> > and when the being is pure there is no story...

> > ...iietsa

> >

> Being is a state, which implies a activity. To Be is a

Stateless State, which can't be

> Known. Jaya

>

 

the no-thing behind all things...be that...beyond all words...

words are only used here to point out that there is (something)

beyond materialism...

....iietsa

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does

this

> > really

> > > > have any Impact on What

> > > > > can't be perceived?

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita

that

> > is

> > > > secondary to the unravelling

> > > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > > > >

> > > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective

of

> > > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is

perceiving

> > > > today. Where is the heaven

> > > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the

World?

> > > > >

> > > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all

that

> > > > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

> > awareness, is

> > > > ego's letting go and dying

> > > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > > > >

> > > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > the world is but a shadow...

> > > > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is

> > denied

> > > > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the

> > world

> > > > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is real

pure

> > self?

> > >

> >

> > it really does not matter how things have come to be as they

are...

> > (if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very business

> > will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )

> > the world or the body is an object...

> > the real self is not an object...

> > if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what you

are

> > ...iietsa

> >

> this is so if you identify you become more entangled with what

is not: But both the you

> and what you identify with are all the same both are unreal!

Waking, Dream states are all appearances in Consciousness and

Consciousness only appears and disappears on the The

> Unknowable Reality which doesn't even no it exists without this

Consciousness, the dilemma is Consciousness isn't really Reality, It

is and it isn't, without Reality,

> Consciousness doesn't exist. To understand Reality is all that

really needs to Happen there

> is no question of becoming reality, all appearances in the finale

understanding can only

> have the power to appear because Reality is, But Reality has

nothing to do with the appearance of Consciousness and the activity

that appears to take place!

>

 

do nothing and see what happens...

be what you are...nothing...and all is in your hands...

....iietsa

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does

> this

> > > really

> > > > > have any Impact on What

> > > > > > can't be perceived?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita

> that

> > > is

> > > > > secondary to the unravelling

> > > > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective

> of

> > > > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is

> perceiving

> > > > > today. Where is the heaven

> > > > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the

> World?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all

> that

> > > > > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

> > > awareness, is

> > > > > ego's letting go and dying

> > > > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > the world is but a shadow...

> > > > > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self

is

> > > denied

> > > > > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to

the

> > > world

> > > > > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is

real

> pure

> > > self?

> > > >

> > >

> > > it really does not matter how things have come to be as they

> are...

> > > (if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very

business

> > > will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )

> > > the world or the body is an object...

> > > the real self is not an object...

> > > if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what you

> are

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > this is so if you identify you become more entangled with what

> is not: But both the you

> > and what you identify with are all the same both are unreal!

> Waking, Dream states are all appearances in Consciousness and

> Consciousness only appears and disappears on the The

> > Unknowable Reality which doesn't even no it exists without this

> Consciousness, the dilemma is Consciousness isn't really Reality,

It

> is and it isn't, without Reality,

> > Consciousness doesn't exist. To understand Reality is all that

> really needs to Happen there

> > is no question of becoming reality, all appearances in the finale

> understanding can only

> > have the power to appear because Reality is, But Reality has

> nothing to do with the appearance of Consciousness and the activity

> that appears to take place!

> >

>

> do nothing and see what happens...

> be what you are...nothing...and all is in your hands...

> ...iietsa

>

 

 

Wow, iietsa,

 

You are such an enlightened guy. Your words are radiant, full of

spiritual fragrance. Whatever you wrote or write got the scent of

eternal spirit.

 

I wonder why don't you feel ashamed ?

 

Werner

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , diana shellam

> <diana.shellam@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > but there is no individual being to identify or not..identity

> drops

> > > by itself unless it does not.. diana

> > >

> > The problem then is a identifier with the Universal Being has

> a Self, In the appearance

> > of waking state there is a conditioning of identity that

> automatically happens, also there is

> > the so called mind that is part and parcel of this apparent

> process, the mind needs to

> > unravel it's own untruth through understanding of what's not Real.

> That this can happen

> > the mind needs to desire this to happen the motivation is usually

> the suffering with is a inherent part of Consciousness. Jaya

> > >

> > > when being identifies with the body the story begins...

> > > and when the being is pure there is no story...

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > Being is a state, which implies a activity. To Be is a

> Stateless State, which can't be

> > Known. Jaya

> >

>

> the no-thing behind all things...be that...beyond all words...

> words are only used here to point out that there is (something)

> beyond materialism...

> ...iietsa

>

Yes, That is what all dissolves too< words can enable understanding, once

fully

understood the task is done. That there is Only what is beyond Space and Time,

there is

no word or concept to embrace final Reality. All else is but a child of a barren

woman. jaya

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> >

> > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point,

>

> ***************************

> When you wake up, you'll forget all about it.

> ***************************

> Who wakes up/ a dream character!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> Does this really have any Impact on What

> > can't be perceived?

>

> ***************************

> What impact can a dream really have?

> ***************************

> correct or the characters in the dream

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that is

> secondary to the unravelling

> > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

>

> ***************************

> The more questions you ask, the more unravelling you'll have to do.

> ***************************

> What you is asking question

> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> today.

>

> ***************************

> It's all part of the dream. Let it go.

> ***************************

Who can let go of what

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> Where is the heaven

> > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

>

> ***************************

> What world? The one that's reaching a breaking point? Heaven is

> waking up from it all.

> ***************************

> >

> > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in awareness, is

> ego's letting go and dying

> > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> >

> > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> >

>

> *************

> It is what it is.

> *************

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does

> > this

> > > > really

> > > > > > have any Impact on What

> > > > > > > can't be perceived?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of

Advaita

> > that

> > > > is

> > > > > > secondary to the unravelling

> > > > > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the

collective

> > of

> > > > > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is

> > perceiving

> > > > > > today. Where is the heaven

> > > > > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in

the

> > World?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all

> > that

> > > > > > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > > > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

> > > > awareness, is

> > > > > > ego's letting go and dying

> > > > > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the world is but a shadow...

> > > > > > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure

self

> is

> > > > denied

> > > > > > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to

> the

> > > > world

> > > > > > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is

> real

> > pure

> > > > self?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > it really does not matter how things have come to be as they

> > are...

> > > > (if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very

> business

> > > > will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )

> > > > the world or the body is an object...

> > > > the real self is not an object...

> > > > if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what

you

> > are

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > this is so if you identify you become more entangled with

what

> > is not: But both the you

> > > and what you identify with are all the same both are unreal!

> > Waking, Dream states are all appearances in Consciousness and

> > Consciousness only appears and disappears on the The

> > > Unknowable Reality which doesn't even no it exists without this

> > Consciousness, the dilemma is Consciousness isn't really Reality,

> It

> > is and it isn't, without Reality,

> > > Consciousness doesn't exist. To understand Reality is all that

> > really needs to Happen there

> > > is no question of becoming reality, all appearances in the

finale

> > understanding can only

> > > have the power to appear because Reality is, But Reality has

> > nothing to do with the appearance of Consciousness and the

activity

> > that appears to take place!

> > >

> >

> > do nothing and see what happens...

> > be what you are...nothing...and all is in your hands...

> > ...iietsa

> >

>

>

> Wow, iietsa,

>

> You are such an enlightened guy. Your words are radiant, full of

> spiritual fragrance. Whatever you wrote or write got the scent of

> eternal spirit.

>

> I wonder why don't you feel ashamed ?

>

> Werner

>

 

words are empty...

dont take words for good or bad...

just watch without judging...

....iietsa

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this

really

> > have any Impact on What

> > > can't be perceived?

> > >

> > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that

is

> > secondary to the unravelling

> > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > >

> > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> > today. Where is the heaven

> > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

> > >

> > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

awareness, is

> > ego's letting go and dying

> > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > >

> > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > >

> >

> > the world is but a shadow...

> > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is

denied

> > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the

world

> > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > ...iietsa

>

>

> 'you' are not other than the 'body' and the 'world'.

>

> nothing comes or goes..nor will it ever.

>

> IT has never been NOT..nor will it ever not be.

>

> 'you' are a lost little lamb.

>

> come follow ME...

>

> I AM...

>

> I am the WAY.

>

> I am the LIFE.

>

> I am ALL THINGS.

>

> and your just one of those many lost things...

>

> for I have lost my self/life/thoughts and things..

>

> and must needs be am become my own NOTHINGNESS.

>

> 'you' wouldn't understand.

>

> that's why you speak such gibberish all the time.

>

> as long as you are a creature of time and space..

>

> you will continue and continue and continue..

>

> to be so confused.

>

> My Deliverance is assured!

>

> so take heart iietsa..

>

> even for you there is a Day of GLORY.

>

> but you must need be lost to that nonsense you rattle on with first.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

if you are all things...

why are you deviding yourself from me...is not that DUALITY...

the one that you are refering to as the lost little lamb...

come follow ME...is not that again the same DUALITY...

....and the line " 'you' wouldn't understand " ...

is this about all that you are...or about something else...

....iietsa

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does

this

> > really

> > > > have any Impact on What

> > > > > can't be perceived?

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita

that

> > is

> > > > secondary to the unravelling

> > > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > > > >

> > > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective

of

> > > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is

perceiving

> > > > today. Where is the heaven

> > > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the

World?

> > > > >

> > > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all

that

> > > > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

> > awareness, is

> > > > ego's letting go and dying

> > > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > > > >

> > > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > the world is but a shadow...

> > > > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is

> > denied

> > > > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the

> > world

> > > > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is real

pure

> > self?

> > >

> >

> > it really does not matter how things have come to be as they

are...

> > (if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very business

> > will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )

> > the world or the body is an object...

> > the real self is not an object...

> > if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what you

are

> > ...iietsa

>

>

>

> 'you' are totally wrong.

>

> ONLY form has totality.

>

> when you drop FORM..SPACE...TIME..LAW..FORCE..ENERGY..MATTER..et

al..

>

> Right back where IT always IS...IS.

>

> until such paradoxical MOMENT..

>

> you will continue to need to use false statements...

>

> like the one posted regarding identity with form above.

>

> this is alright.

>

> it is the natural progression of events..

>

> for lost lambs..

>

> and other misguided children of uncomprehending darkness.

>

> you will SEE.

>

> but 'you' do not now so see.

>

> be gentle and mild and SEEK for that which you only talk about.

>

> whenever 'you find' " IT " ..

>

> by losing SELF as well as self..

>

> IT will be seen how wrong you now are.

>

> there will be REJOICING in Heaven and Earth..

>

> I bid you come.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

whereever you bid me to come...

I will pass...I am not interested...

you can offer anything...I will not eat...

....iietsa

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , diana shellam

<diana.shellam@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > but there is no individual being to identify or not..identity

drops

> > by itself unless it does not.. diana

> >

> >

> > when being identifies with the body the story begins...

> > and when the being is pure there is no story...

> > ...iietsa

>

>

> that's a strange story.

>

> and you're sticking to it.

>

> attachment to stories is a losing battle.

>

> that's the pure truth.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

come again ?

....iietsa

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does this

> really

> > > have any Impact on What

> > > > can't be perceived?

> > > >

> > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita that

> is

> > > secondary to the unravelling

> > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > > >

> > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective of

> > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is perceiving

> > > today. Where is the heaven

> > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the World?

> > > >

> > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all that

> > > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

> awareness, is

> > > ego's letting go and dying

> > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > > >

> > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > > >

> > >

> > > the world is but a shadow...

> > > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is

> denied

> > > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the

> world

> > > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> > 'you' are not other than the 'body' and the 'world'.

> >

> > nothing comes or goes..nor will it ever.

> >

> > IT has never been NOT..nor will it ever not be.

> >

> > 'you' are a lost little lamb.

> >

> > come follow ME...

> >

> > I AM...

> >

> > I am the WAY.

> >

> > I am the LIFE.

> >

> > I am ALL THINGS.

> >

> > and your just one of those many lost things...

> >

> > for I have lost my self/life/thoughts and things..

> >

> > and must needs be am become my own NOTHINGNESS.

> >

> > 'you' wouldn't understand.

> >

> > that's why you speak such gibberish all the time.

> >

> > as long as you are a creature of time and space..

> >

> > you will continue and continue and continue..

> >

> > to be so confused.

> >

> > My Deliverance is assured!

> >

> > so take heart iietsa..

> >

> > even for you there is a Day of GLORY.

> >

> > but you must need be lost to that nonsense you rattle on with first.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> if you are all things...

> why are you deviding yourself from me...is not that DUALITY...

> the one that you are refering to as the lost little lamb...

> come follow ME...is not that again the same DUALITY...

> ...and the line " 'you' wouldn't understand " ...

> is this about all that you are...or about something else...

> ...iietsa

 

 

the 'I AM'..WAY,TRUTH,LIGHT.. is not a 'you'.

 

little lamb 'you' miss the whole implication of what's being said.

 

'you' indeed do not understand what overlays and underlies ALL.

 

this will get better.

 

THIS which is THAT is assured by IT'S SELF-subsistence.

 

IT is the ONLY " Reality " .

 

and it has nothing whatsoever to do with your pretentious nonsense.

 

you of course do not understand.

 

no need to get testy.

 

that's just being ridiculous.

 

mentoring you softly,

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Jaya " <jaya1946@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Societies everywhere today seem at breaking point, Does

> this

> > > really

> > > > > have any Impact on What

> > > > > > can't be perceived?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a question I think in the modern world of Advaita

> that

> > > is

> > > > > secondary to the unravelling

> > > > > > of the Concepts that make up Identity of Who Am I.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The build up of stress and acceleration in the collective

> of

> > > > > > consciousness is something every human awareness is

> perceiving

> > > > > today. Where is the heaven

> > > > > > for the apparent I Am? Is it anywhere to be found in the

> World?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Like a piece of salt that finds itself in the Ocean all

> that

> > > > > happens is dissolution. Is this not

> > > > > > the solution in the dissolution in all appearances in

> > > awareness, is

> > > > > ego's letting go and dying

> > > > > > in dissolution, like taking the ax to the root of Maya!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After all what can ever happen to Reality!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > the world is but a shadow...

> > > > > as long as any part of it is emphasized the real pure self is

> > > denied

> > > > > ...instead of identifying with the body and going out to the

> > > world

> > > > > ...let the body and the world come to you...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > How can the body or the world enter into a you or what is real

> pure

> > > self?

> > > >

> > >

> > > it really does not matter how things have come to be as they

> are...

> > > (if you involve yourself in such thoughts then that very business

> > > will ride your horses to the moon and back for garbage... )

> > > the world or the body is an object...

> > > the real self is not an object...

> > > if you identify with a form...you deny the totality of what you

> are

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> >

> > 'you' are totally wrong.

> >

> > ONLY form has totality.

> >

> > when you drop FORM..SPACE...TIME..LAW..FORCE..ENERGY..MATTER..et

> al..

> >

> > Right back where IT always IS...IS.

> >

> > until such paradoxical MOMENT..

> >

> > you will continue to need to use false statements...

> >

> > like the one posted regarding identity with form above.

> >

> > this is alright.

> >

> > it is the natural progression of events..

> >

> > for lost lambs..

> >

> > and other misguided children of uncomprehending darkness.

> >

> > you will SEE.

> >

> > but 'you' do not now so see.

> >

> > be gentle and mild and SEEK for that which you only talk about.

> >

> > whenever 'you find' " IT " ..

> >

> > by losing SELF as well as self..

> >

> > IT will be seen how wrong you now are.

> >

> > there will be REJOICING in Heaven and Earth..

> >

> > I bid you come.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> whereever you bid me to come...

> I will pass...I am not interested...

> you can offer anything...I will not eat...

> ...iietsa

 

 

you will feel better in the morning iietsa.

 

i would never offer you anything you wouldn't eat.

 

and of course..

 

i wouldn't offer to you anything that you could eat either.

 

that would certainly be a waste of Good and True nourishment.

 

" I " have a 'bread' that you know not anything about .

 

" I " am that 'Bread of Life' of which you know nothing.

 

'you' speak as an animal without wit.

 

you show by this that you are indeed in need of THAT alone..

 

which gives TRUTH and ABIDANCE.

 

you have a long path ahead my dear little one.

 

i will not desert you...

 

though you walk in the desert of dim awareness.

 

Take Heart and do not be afraid..

 

or abusive towards THAT which is 'your' SALVATION and HOME.

 

of course at your stage on that path..

 

you will take a pass on the freely given bidding of welcome.

 

this too shall pass.

 

..b b.b.