Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > when one identifies with thinking...one is sinking... Iietsa, Who is identifying with thinking, Who is that ? Are there two iietsas ? One is thinking and the other is identifying with it ? Or is there only thinking which already is the identification and there is no one who is identifying with thought ? There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is only thinking. When thinking is causing strong emotions it is called identifcation. When thought is causing no emotions it is just called thinking. Can you see and accept that ? > when one involves with thought...one is caught... Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can get caught or not to get caught > just to ask a question...is to be caught... > and just to give an answer...is to be caught also... > its because we are involved with anything... > that we fall into the false idea of being what we are not... > > when I meet ordinary people so to speak... > all they are trying to do is to drag me down to the world of > duality... > why ? There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. It is thought which is accompanied by strong emotions which the next following thought calls it to be " dragged down " . One thought is calling the previous thought being drgagged down. Can you see and accept that ? And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and never will be at home. Werner > because its where they take themselves to be... > ...iietsa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > when one identifies with thinking...one is sinking... > > > Iietsa, > > Who is identifying with thinking, Who is that ? > > Are there two iietsas ? One is thinking and the other is identifying > with it ? > > Or is there only thinking which already is the identification and > there is no one who is identifying with thought ? > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is only > thinking. > > When thinking is causing strong emotions it is called identifcation. > When thought is causing no emotions it is just called thinking. > > Can you see and accept that ? > > > > when one involves with thought...one is caught... > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can get > caught or not to get caught > > > > just to ask a question...is to be caught... > > and just to give an answer...is to be caught also... > > its because we are involved with anything... > > that we fall into the false idea of being what we are not... > > > > when I meet ordinary people so to speak... > > all they are trying to do is to drag me down to the world of > > duality... > > why ? > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. It > is thought which is accompanied by strong emotions which the next > following thought calls it to be " dragged down " . One thought is > calling the previous thought being drgagged down. Can you see and > accept that ? > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and never > will be at home. > > Werner > > > > because its where they take themselves to be... > > ...iietsa > > > *************** Werner, Would you agree with me that perhaps iietsa (as well as all of us) could benefit from a little bit of Rational Emotive Therapy? http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Rational-emotive-therapy.html Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > when one identifies with thinking...one is sinking... > > > > > > Iietsa, > > > > Who is identifying with thinking, Who is that ? > > > > Are there two iietsas ? One is thinking and the other is > identifying > > with it ? > > > > Or is there only thinking which already is the identification and > > there is no one who is identifying with thought ? > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is only > > thinking. > > > > When thinking is causing strong emotions it is called > identifcation. > > When thought is causing no emotions it is just called thinking. > > > > Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > > > when one involves with thought...one is caught... > > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > get > > caught or not to get caught > > > > > > > just to ask a question...is to be caught... > > > and just to give an answer...is to be caught also... > > > its because we are involved with anything... > > > that we fall into the false idea of being what we are not... > > > > > > when I meet ordinary people so to speak... > > > all they are trying to do is to drag me down to the world of > > > duality... > > > why ? > > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > It > > is thought which is accompanied by strong emotions which the next > > following thought calls it to be " dragged down " . One thought is > > calling the previous thought being drgagged down. Can you see and > > accept that ? > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > never > > will be at home. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > because its where they take themselves to be... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > *************** > Werner, > > Would you agree with me that perhaps iietsa (as well as all of us) > could benefit from a little bit of Rational Emotive Therapy? > > http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Rational-emotive-therapy.html > > Rob that all depends on what your definition of 'benefit' is. also, on what your definition of the word 'iietsa' is. he's not there.. see? if you see he's not there.. you cannot see that he IS there even if he's not. he's never where you think.. or don't think.. or even where he thinks he is or isn't.. because he's not. he told me so. in a stone sober fashion. mayhap he wasn't. he really needs not then any therapeutic remedy. he merely needs to get and stay dry. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > when one identifies with thinking...one is sinking... > > > > > > Iietsa, > > > > Who is identifying with thinking, Who is that ? > > > > Are there two iietsas ? One is thinking and the other is > identifying > > with it ? > > > > Or is there only thinking which already is the identification and > > there is no one who is identifying with thought ? > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is only > > thinking. > > > > When thinking is causing strong emotions it is called > identifcation. > > When thought is causing no emotions it is just called thinking. > > > > Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > > > when one involves with thought...one is caught... > > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > get > > caught or not to get caught > > > > > > > just to ask a question...is to be caught... > > > and just to give an answer...is to be caught also... > > > its because we are involved with anything... > > > that we fall into the false idea of being what we are not... > > > > > > when I meet ordinary people so to speak... > > > all they are trying to do is to drag me down to the world of > > > duality... > > > why ? > > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > It > > is thought which is accompanied by strong emotions which the next > > following thought calls it to be " dragged down " . One thought is > > calling the previous thought being drgagged down. Can you see and > > accept that ? > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > never > > will be at home. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > because its where they take themselves to be... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > *************** > Werner, > > Would you agree with me that perhaps iietsa (as well as all of us) > could benefit from a little bit of Rational Emotive Therapy? > > http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Rational-emotive-therapy.html > > Rob > Hi Rob, Are there two Robs ? One is thinking disorderly and irrational and the onther one will bring order into that mess, eventually by therapy or by whatsoever ? There is no one at home, Rob. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > when one identifies with thinking...one is sinking... > > > > > > > > > Iietsa, > > > > > > Who is identifying with thinking, Who is that ? > > > > > > Are there two iietsas ? One is thinking and the other is > > identifying > > > with it ? > > > > > > Or is there only thinking which already is the identification and > > > there is no one who is identifying with thought ? > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > only > > > thinking. > > > > > > When thinking is causing strong emotions it is called > > identifcation. > > > When thought is causing no emotions it is just called thinking. > > > > > > Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > > > > > > when one involves with thought...one is caught... > > > > > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > > get > > > caught or not to get caught > > > > > > > > > > just to ask a question...is to be caught... > > > > and just to give an answer...is to be caught also... > > > > its because we are involved with anything... > > > > that we fall into the false idea of being what we are not... > > > > > > > > when I meet ordinary people so to speak... > > > > all they are trying to do is to drag me down to the world of > > > > duality... > > > > why ? > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > > It > > > is thought which is accompanied by strong emotions which the next > > > following thought calls it to be " dragged down " . One thought is > > > calling the previous thought being drgagged down. Can you see and > > > accept that ? > > > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > never > > > will be at home. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > because its where they take themselves to be... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > *************** > > Werner, > > > > Would you agree with me that perhaps iietsa (as well as all of us) > > could benefit from a little bit of Rational Emotive Therapy? > > > > http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Rational-emotive-therapy.html > > > > Rob > > > > > Hi Rob, > > Are there two Robs ? One is thinking disorderly and irrational and > the onther one will bring order into that mess, eventually by therapy > or by whatsoever ? > > There is no one at home, Rob. > > Werner there is no such home. no such number, no such zone. return to nonexistent sender. nobody is named rob... well actually..nobody is named nothing. rob's a dream and so are you. and no one is dreaming.... except maybe wernie. :-) ..b b.b. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > when one identifies with thinking...one is sinking... > > > > > > > > > Iietsa, > > > > > > Who is identifying with thinking, Who is that ? > > > > > > Are there two iietsas ? One is thinking and the other is > > identifying > > > with it ? > > > > > > Or is there only thinking which already is the identification and > > > there is no one who is identifying with thought ? > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > only > > > thinking. > > > > > > When thinking is causing strong emotions it is called > > identifcation. > > > When thought is causing no emotions it is just called thinking. > > > > > > Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > > > > > > when one involves with thought...one is caught... > > > > > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > > get > > > caught or not to get caught > > > > > > > > > > just to ask a question...is to be caught... > > > > and just to give an answer...is to be caught also... > > > > its because we are involved with anything... > > > > that we fall into the false idea of being what we are not... > > > > > > > > when I meet ordinary people so to speak... > > > > all they are trying to do is to drag me down to the world of > > > > duality... > > > > why ? > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > > It > > > is thought which is accompanied by strong emotions which the next > > > following thought calls it to be " dragged down " . One thought is > > > calling the previous thought being drgagged down. Can you see and > > > accept that ? > > > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > never > > > will be at home. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > because its where they take themselves to be... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > *************** > > Werner, > > > > Would you agree with me that perhaps iietsa (as well as all of us) > > could benefit from a little bit of Rational Emotive Therapy? > > > > http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Rational-emotive-therapy.html > > > > Rob > > > > > Hi Rob, > > Are there two Robs ? One is thinking disorderly and irrational and > the onther one will bring order into that mess, eventually by therapy > or by whatsoever ? > > There is no one at home, Rob. > > Werner > ************** Werner, The lights are on at home and I see a pile of clutter inside. It looks like whoever lives here needs help cleaning it up. It can't be cleaned up just once and then forgotten about. It needs constant attention or else the clutter will continue to pile up. I like my mind to have as little clutter as possible. To help with that, I rid it of irrational thoughts as much as I can. Sometimes I need help from outside sources, such as RET and Advaita Vedanta. Irrational thoughts lead to irrational emotions and to irrational behaviour. Therefore, a little " house cleaning " helps to keep most of the " dust bunnies " away. There is only one Rob. There is only one me. One with a cluttered mind and the same one with an uncluttered mind at different periods of time. I live in a world in which there are three dimensions and with all of the mind-body problems associated with it. To deny them is sin. To address them is not sin. Rob Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > when one identifies with thinking...one is sinking... > > > > > > > > > > > > Iietsa, > > > > > > > > Who is identifying with thinking, Who is that ? > > > > > > > > Are there two iietsas ? One is thinking and the other is > > > identifying > > > > with it ? > > > > > > > > Or is there only thinking which already is the identification > and > > > > there is no one who is identifying with thought ? > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > > only > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > When thinking is causing strong emotions it is called > > > identifcation. > > > > When thought is causing no emotions it is just called thinking. > > > > > > > > Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > when one involves with thought...one is caught... > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who > can > > > get > > > > caught or not to get caught > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to ask a question...is to be caught... > > > > > and just to give an answer...is to be caught also... > > > > > its because we are involved with anything... > > > > > that we fall into the false idea of being what we are not... > > > > > > > > > > when I meet ordinary people so to speak... > > > > > all they are trying to do is to drag me down to the world of > > > > > duality... > > > > > why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged > down. > > > It > > > > is thought which is accompanied by strong emotions which the > next > > > > following thought calls it to be " dragged down " . One thought is > > > > calling the previous thought being drgagged down. Can you see > and > > > > accept that ? > > > > > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > > never > > > > will be at home. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > because its where they take themselves to be... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > *************** > > > Werner, > > > > > > Would you agree with me that perhaps iietsa (as well as all of > us) > > > could benefit from a little bit of Rational Emotive Therapy? > > > > > > http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Rational-emotive-therapy.html > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > Hi Rob, > > > > Are there two Robs ? One is thinking disorderly and irrational and > > the onther one will bring order into that mess, eventually by > therapy > > or by whatsoever ? > > > > There is no one at home, Rob. > > > > Werner > > > ************** > Werner, > > The lights are on at home and I see a pile of clutter inside. It > looks like whoever lives here needs help cleaning it up. > > It can't be cleaned up just once and then forgotten about. It needs > constant attention or else the clutter will continue to pile up. > > I like my mind to have as little clutter as possible. To help with > that, I rid it of irrational thoughts as much as I can. Sometimes I > need help from outside sources, such as RET and Advaita Vedanta. > > Irrational thoughts lead to irrational emotions and to irrational > behaviour. Therefore, a little " house cleaning " helps to keep most of > the " dust bunnies " away. > > There is only one Rob. There is only one me. One with a cluttered > mind and the same one with an uncluttered mind at different periods > of time. > > I live in a world in which there are three dimensions and with all of > the mind-body problems associated with it. To deny them is sin. To > address them is not sin. > > Rob > > Rob, Who decides what is irrational and rational thinking ? Who is that, who claims his point of view being rational ? It is thought, isn't it ? It is again thought which denoted previous thoughts as rational or irrational. And in addition these thoughts use the words " I " or " me " . They are telling to be you, can you see that ? But there is no one at home. There are only thoughts being in conflict with each other, an the most interesting thing is that each thought believes it is transporting " truth " . And already the next thought claims the truth of that previous thought as irrational. There is no one at home, Rob. There is only this endless circus and game all these thoughts are playing. Btw, thoughts are only created by the brain to eventually get communicated. They are all verbal. Loud thoughts are called speaking and without voice they are called thinking. Did you know that all decisions the mind is making are getting conscious half a second later when they already are made ? And that means there is no one at home consciously making decisions - no free choice, no free will and no free decision. All that happens before they get conscious. Then who is that who claims to work for ratioal and healthy thinking ? It is thought which does all that ... thought is a liar and cheater. Are " You " all that ? Werner Werner > > > > Rob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > when one identifies with thinking...one is sinking... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iietsa, > > > > > > > > > > Who is identifying with thinking, Who is that ? > > > > > > > > > > Are there two iietsas ? One is thinking and the other is > > > > identifying > > > > > with it ? > > > > > > > > > > Or is there only thinking which already is the identification > > and > > > > > there is no one who is identifying with thought ? > > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there > is > > > only > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > When thinking is causing strong emotions it is called > > > > identifcation. > > > > > When thought is causing no emotions it is just called > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when one involves with thought...one is caught... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who > > can > > > > get > > > > > caught or not to get caught > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to ask a question...is to be caught... > > > > > > and just to give an answer...is to be caught also... > > > > > > its because we are involved with anything... > > > > > > that we fall into the false idea of being what we are not... > > > > > > > > > > > > when I meet ordinary people so to speak... > > > > > > all they are trying to do is to drag me down to the world > of > > > > > > duality... > > > > > > why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged > > down. > > > > It > > > > > is thought which is accompanied by strong emotions which the > > next > > > > > following thought calls it to be " dragged down " . One thought > is > > > > > calling the previous thought being drgagged down. Can you see > > and > > > > > accept that ? > > > > > > > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, > and > > > > never > > > > > will be at home. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because its where they take themselves to be... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *************** > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > Would you agree with me that perhaps iietsa (as well as all of > > us) > > > > could benefit from a little bit of Rational Emotive Therapy? > > > > > > > > http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Rational-emotive-therapy.html > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rob, > > > > > > Are there two Robs ? One is thinking disorderly and irrational > and > > > the onther one will bring order into that mess, eventually by > > therapy > > > or by whatsoever ? > > > > > > There is no one at home, Rob. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > ************** > > Werner, > > > > The lights are on at home and I see a pile of clutter inside. It > > looks like whoever lives here needs help cleaning it up. > > > > It can't be cleaned up just once and then forgotten about. It needs > > constant attention or else the clutter will continue to pile up. > > > > I like my mind to have as little clutter as possible. To help with > > that, I rid it of irrational thoughts as much as I can. Sometimes I > > need help from outside sources, such as RET and Advaita Vedanta. > > > > Irrational thoughts lead to irrational emotions and to irrational > > behaviour. Therefore, a little " house cleaning " helps to keep most > of > > the " dust bunnies " away. > > > > There is only one Rob. There is only one me. One with a cluttered > > mind and the same one with an uncluttered mind at different periods > > of time. > > > > I live in a world in which there are three dimensions and with all > of > > the mind-body problems associated with it. To deny them is sin. To > > address them is not sin. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > Rob, > > Who decides what is irrational and rational thinking ? Who is that, > who claims his point of view being rational ? It is thought, isn't > it ? well that's a thought but it's wrong. > It is again thought which denoted previous thoughts as rational or > irrational. And in addition these thoughts use the words " I " or " me " . ..... " these thoughts use the words " I " or " me " .???!!!! the words don't 'use' anything wrener. words are just words. don't be so anthropomorphic.. you're being silly here chumbo. > They are telling to be you, can you see that ? hopefully for him he doesn't let himself so abuse himself with.. trying to see how thoughts are telling him anything. there is no one to tell anything to wernie. and besides..words cannot 'tell' anyone anything. jeeeze wernie..get real. > > But there is no one at home. There are only thoughts being in > conflict with each other, an the most interesting thing is that each > thought believes it is transporting " truth " . who's thoughts do you refer to? so thoughts are 'real' things that 'are'.. and everything else is illusion? do they have mental facilities where you live? they may be of more aid to you than the words that are emlpoying you.. to speak this nonsense(because as you say, obviously you aren't here). those bastard words are out to get you there wernie. And already the next > thought claims the truth of that previous thought as irrational. that's as irrational as it gets. but who the hell cares? who is there to care? no one's home if i recall. > There is no one at home, Rob. There is only this endless circus and > game all these thoughts are playing. what is it with your adoration of thoughts? you treat thoughts as if they are substantial. they are not. thoughts are not 'playing', 'telling', or doing anything. that's just a dumb, unscientific notion of yours. or is it those thoughts themselves MAKING you spout this crap? give it a rest wernie.. no matter how many times you raise that stupid flag.. no one is going to be stupid enough to salute. but you can still be pretend smart. that's cute and everyone gets a kick out of it. > > Btw, thoughts are only created by the brain to eventually get > communicated. the brain 'creates' nothing. what's the matter with you anyway? They are all verbal. Loud thoughts are called speaking > and without voice they are called thinking. oh christ this is too stupid top even comment on! > Did you know that all decisions the mind is making are getting > conscious half a second later when they already are made ? And that > means there is no one at home consciously making decisions - no free > choice, no free will and no free decision. All that happens before > they get conscious. that's just thought screwing with you wernie.. you aren't there to scrutinize and decide that what thoughts are saying is stupid ..well you aren't there to see that it's stupid. so baba won't blame the unreal werner..just his dumb thinking.. both his silent thinking and his loud thinking..LOL! > Then who is that who claims to work for ratioal and healthy > thinking ? It is thought which does all that ... thought is a liar > and cheater. > > Are " You " all that ? > > Werner well werner.. are you all the ridiculous things thought makes you out to be? if your thoughts are telling you all this stupid stuff.. REMEMBER: 'thought'(the all of all that is).. is a liar and a cheater. your thoughts on the above matters included. can't you see that? baba of the seven veils, ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is only > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and never will be at home. > > Werner " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... these words must be a very special to you... like the mad man who was constantly screaming... " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " tell me if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to a " me " ... and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out of it thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the homework here... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is only > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > never will be at home. > > > > Werner > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > these words must be a very special to you... > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > tell me > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to a " me " ... > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out of it > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the homework > here... > ...iietsa gotta love this comedy act! two comedians in search of a joke. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is only > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > never will be at home. > > > > Werner > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > these words must be a very special to you... > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > tell me > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to a " me " ... > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > iiesta, You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to teach the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he did. Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out of it > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the homework > here... > ...iietsa Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > only > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > never will be at home. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > tell me > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to a " me " ... > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > iiesta, > > You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to teach > the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he did. > > Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out of > it > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the homework > > here... > > ...iietsa > > > Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. > > Werner > > > hide behind Maharaj if you like... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > > only > > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who > can > > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged > down. > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > > never will be at home. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > > > tell me > > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to > a " me " ... > > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > > > > > iiesta, > > > > You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to teach > > the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he > did. > > > > Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > > > > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out > of > > it > > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the > homework > > > here... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > hide behind Maharaj if you like... > ...iietsa LOL! this little drama is beautiful! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > only > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > never will be at home. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > tell me > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to a " me " ... > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > iiesta, > > You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to teach > the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he did. > > Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out of > it > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the homework > > here... > > ...iietsa > > > Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. > > Werner > > > Werner: If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you talking to? DA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dan_ananda " <dan_ananda wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > > only > > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > > never will be at home. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > > > tell me > > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to a " me " ... > > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > > > > > iiesta, > > > > You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to teach > > the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he did. > > > > Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > > > > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out of > > it > > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the homework > > > here... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Werner: > > If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you talking to? > > DA > Very simple, My body mind is talking to an image or projecion of a cyber person appearing on the screen for example as Dan Ananda. Or do you believe there sits a little green man at a control terminal inside my body/mind and steering the whole thing ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dan_ananda " <dan_ananda wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > > only > > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > > never will be at home. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > > > tell me > > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to a " me " ... > > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > > > > > iiesta, > > > > You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to teach > > the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he did. > > > > Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > > > > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out of > > it > > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the homework > > > here... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Werner: > > If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you talking to? > > DA > Dan, When Niz taught " you never were born " and you are the child of a barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people guethered around him ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan_ananda " <dan_ananda@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there > is > > > only > > > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who > can > > > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged > down. > > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, > and > > > > never will be at home. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > > > > > tell me > > > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to > a " me " ... > > > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > > > > > > > > > iiesta, > > > > > > You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to > teach > > > the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he > did. > > > > > > Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > > > > > > > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out > of > > > it > > > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use > the > > > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the > homework > > > > here... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > Werner: > > > > If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you > talking to? > > > > DA > > > > > Dan, > > When Niz taught " you never were born " and you are the child of a > barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people guethered > around him ? > > Werner > Exactly! I was wondering the same thing. If Niz claims there is no one home, then, who was he talking to? Was no one talking to no one? Possibly. DA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan_ananda " <dan_ananda@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there > is > > > only > > > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who > can > > > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged > down. > > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, > and > > > > never will be at home. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > > > > > tell me > > > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to > a " me " ... > > > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > > > > > > > > > iiesta, > > > > > > You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to > teach > > > the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he > did. > > > > > > Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > > > > > > > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out > of > > > it > > > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use > the > > > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the > homework > > > > here... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > Werner: > > > > If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you > talking to? > > > > DA > > > > > Dan, > > When Niz taught " you never were born " and you are the child of a > barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people guethered > around him ? > > Werner talking to your nonexistent self again then? no? what non-existing 'thing' are you asking you motherless bastard? ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan_ananda " <dan_ananda@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there > is > > > only > > > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who > can > > > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged > down. > > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, > and > > > > never will be at home. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > > > > > tell me > > > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to > a " me " ... > > > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > > > > > > > > > iiesta, > > > > > > You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to > teach > > > the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he > did. > > > > > > Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > > > > > > > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out > of > > > it > > > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use > the > > > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the > homework > > > > here... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > Werner: > > > > If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you > talking to? > > > > DA > > > > > Very simple, > > My body mind is talking to an image or projecion of a cyber person > appearing on the screen for example as Dan Ananda. > > Or do you believe there sits a little green man at a control terminal > inside my body/mind and steering the whole thing ? > > Werner by golly werner.. you deserve a Captain Science Decoder ring my boy! by the bye Captain Science Space Cadet... who's the owner of: " My body mind " ? who's the projection of the " cyber person " (hahahaha)...appearing to? you're such a card wernie! LOL! ..b b.b. p.s. believe nothing and leave no survivors. you know what i mean kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is only > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who can > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged down. > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > never will be at home. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > tell me > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to a " me " ... > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out of it > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the homework > > here... > > ...iietsa > > > gotta love this comedy act! > > two comedians in search of a joke. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > why judge at all... you just end up in the false... beyond hahas and buhus lies the real... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > > > only > > > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who > > can > > > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged > > down. > > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > > > never will be at home. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > > > > > tell me > > > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to > > a " me " ... > > > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > > > > > > > > > iiesta, > > > > > > You could have asked the same question to Maharaj. He had to teach > > > the way he had to and in no way he could act differently than he > > did. > > > > > > Every on ticks the way his system demands him tick. > > > > > > > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out > > of > > > it > > > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > > > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the > > homework > > > > here... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > Ok, if you have no homework to do then don't do it. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > hide behind Maharaj if you like... > > ...iietsa > > > LOL! > > this little drama is beautiful! > > :-) > > .b b.b. > in a way its more fun to enjoy the drama than to resist it... but reality lies not in involvement in a game... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > only > > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who > can > > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged > down. > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > > never will be at home. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > > > tell me > > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to > a " me " ... > > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out > of it > > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the > homework > > > here... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > gotta love this comedy act! > > > > two comedians in search of a joke. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > why judge at all... > you just end up in the false... > beyond hahas and buhus lies the real... > ...iietsa who's judging? that's just your judgment on my STATEMENT. lighten up kid! you're getting boring with that cheesy falderol. have a laugh. quit whining and boohooing. your entire act is a downer. ..b b.b. p.s. there are no whys or wherefores son. what is...is. relax. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 > > Werner: > > > > If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you > talking to? > > > > DA > > > > > Dan, > > When Niz taught " you never were born " and you are the child of a > barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people guethered > around him ? > > Werner > I see the group is as feisty as ever. I remember this as the place you could always find a good street fight if yer up for it....or down with it, whatever. With any luck, Werner won't remember me, but a weird thought has been running through my head as I follow this conversation. Though he may have his own spin on it, what he's saying is the same thing every nondual and Advaita teacher I've ever stumbled across says, and so where's the beef? You can't get in Nizzy's face about it but surely we can come up with a long list of breathing gurus who will testify that the human is a mere expression of the Divinity that you are; a collection of conditioned responses reacting spontaneously to thoughts and feelings arising without any volition. It's not especially ego friendly but that's the whole danged point, isn't it? I might have missed sumthin but it sounds like the whole idea that you're not really a person is just laughable. Did I miss sumthin? It's not very difficult to notice that the whole idea of personhood is laughable. An individual has nothing else on which to base it's reactions but it's past experience, and that also applies to it's past experience. This is supposed to turn ones attention to the source of those thoughts which clearly arise spontaneously without your approval. What's forming them thar thoughts? Or is self inquiry also a controversial topic these days? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no one at home, there is no thinker, iietsa, there is > > only > > > > > thinking.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > Who is caugtht ? There is no one at home, iietsa, no one who > > can > > > > get caught or not to get caught.Can you see and accept that ? > > > > > There is no one at home, iiesta, no one who can get dragged > > down. > > > > > And no one is at home, iietsa. Never was at home, never is, and > > > > never will be at home. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > " There is no one at home " ... " There is no one at home " ... > > > > these words must be a very special to you... > > > > > > > > like the mad man who was constantly screaming... > > > > " I am not a madman...I am not a mad man... " > > > > > > > > tell me > > > > if there never was...never is...never will be...no one at home ? > > > > then why all this trying so hard to pass these words on to > > a " me " ... > > > > and " who " is it that will see and accept these words... > > > > > > > > you might have read some book and somehow lifted some lines out > > of it > > > > thinking that you understood perfectly...but the way you use the > > > > words shows differently...its not me that needs to do the > > homework > > > > here... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > gotta love this comedy act! > > > > > > two comedians in search of a joke. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > why judge at all... > > you just end up in the false... > > beyond hahas and buhus lies the real... > > ...iietsa who's judging? > > that's just your judgment on my STATEMENT. > > lighten up kid! > > you're getting boring with that cheesy falderol. > > have a laugh. > > quit whining and boohooing. > > your entire act is a downer. > > .b b.b. > > > p.s. > > there are no whys or wherefores son. > > what is...is. > > relax. > > :-) > you can give me any name...I dont bother... you can try to imprison me in words...I dont care... you can show me the signs you worship...I will pass... what is lovable to you is nothing to me... your wisdom is fooling you to melt out or into what you are not... ....as I have told you before...I am nothing and you are nothing... if this is (your) point all is (well)... but if you take me for a somebody then that is a spell living a lie... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Phil " <souldreamone wrote: > > > > Werner: > > > > > > If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you > > talking to? > > > > > > DA > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > When Niz taught " you never were born " and you are the child of a > > barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people guethered > > around him ? > > > > Werner > > > > I see the group is as feisty as ever. I remember this as the place > you could always find a good street fight if yer up for it....or down > with it, whatever. With any luck, Werner won't remember me, but a > weird thought has been running through my head as I follow this > conversation. Though he may have his own spin on it, what he's saying > is the same thing every nondual and Advaita teacher I've ever > stumbled across says, and so where's the beef? You can't get in > Nizzy's face about it but surely we can come up with a long list of > breathing gurus who will testify that the human is a mere expression > of the Divinity that you are; a collection of conditioned responses > reacting spontaneously to thoughts and feelings arising without any > volition. > > It's not especially ego friendly but that's the whole danged point, > isn't it? I might have missed sumthin but it sounds like the whole > idea that you're not really a person is just laughable. Did I miss > sumthin? It's not very difficult to notice that the whole idea of > personhood is laughable. An individual has nothing else on which to > base it's reactions but it's past experience, and that also applies > to it's past experience. This is supposed to turn ones attention to > the source of those thoughts which clearly arise spontaneously > without your approval. What's forming them thar thoughts? Or is self > inquiry also a controversial topic these days? > > Phil here no.. some places you are allowed only 5 inquiries or posts per diem. and if you are rude to the locals.. oh my! banished and better off you'll be. isn't that great or Grater like. ROFLMAO! not to offend the wussies there but.. they really do deserve it... so baba hopes he has done so. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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