Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Phil " <souldreamone wrote: > > > > Werner: > > > > > > If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you > > talking to? > > > > > > DA > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > When Niz taught " you never were born " and you are the child of a > > barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people guethered > > around him ? > > > > Werner > > > > I see the group is as feisty as ever. I remember this as the place > you could always find a good street fight if yer up for it....or down > with it, whatever. With any luck, Werner won't remember me, but a > weird thought has been running through my head as I follow this > conversation. Though he may have his own spin on it, what he's saying > is the same thing every nondual and Advaita teacher I've ever > stumbled across says, and so where's the beef? You can't get in > Nizzy's face about it but surely we can come up with a long list of > breathing gurus who will testify that the human is a mere expression > of the Divinity that you are; a collection of conditioned responses > reacting spontaneously to thoughts and feelings arising without any > volition. > > It's not especially ego friendly but that's the whole danged point, > isn't it? I might have missed sumthin but it sounds like the whole > idea that you're not really a person is just laughable. Did I miss > sumthin? It's not very difficult to notice that the whole idea of > personhood is laughable. An individual has nothing else on which to > base it's reactions but it's past experience, and that also applies > to it's past experience. This is supposed to turn ones attention to > the source of those thoughts which clearly arise spontaneously > without your approval. What's forming them thar thoughts? Or is self > inquiry also a controversial topic these days? > > Phil > Hm, Phil, Indeed, at the moment I can't remember you. And I don't quite understand what you wanted to say. What is your point ? And btw, self-enquiry, are there two selfs ? One is inquiring and the other one gets inquired ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 In a message dated 3/29/2008 3:29:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: Nisargadatta , "Phil" <souldreamone wrote:>> > > Werner: > > > > > > If there is "no one home", as you suggest, then, who are you > > talking to? > > > > > > DA> > >> > > > > > Dan,> > > > When Niz taught "you never were born" and you are the child of a > > barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people guethered > > around him ?> > > > Werner> >> > I see the group is as feisty as ever. I remember this as the place > you could always find a good street fight if yer up for it....or down > with it, whatever. With any luck, Werner won't remember me, but a > weird thought has been running through my head as I follow this > conversation. Though he may have his own spin on it, what he's saying > is the same thing every nondual and Advaita teacher I've ever > stumbled across says, and so where's the beef? You can't get in > Nizzy's face about it but surely we can come up with a long list of > breathing gurus who will testify that the human is a mere expression > of the Divinity that you are; a collection of conditioned responses > reacting spontaneously to thoughts and feelings arising without any > volition. > > It's not especially ego friendly but that's the whole danged point, > isn't it? I might have missed sumthin but it sounds like the whole > idea that you're not really a person is just laughable. Did I miss > sumthin? It's not very difficult to notice that the whole idea of > personhood is laughable. An individual has nothing else on which to > base it's reactions but it's past experience, and that also applies > to it's past experience. This is supposed to turn ones attention to > the source of those thoughts which clearly arise spontaneously > without your approval. What's forming them thar thoughts? Or is self > inquiry also a controversial topic these days?> > Phil>Hm, Phil,Indeed, at the moment I can't remember you.And I don't quite understand what you wanted to say. What is your point ?And btw, self-enquiry, are there two selfs ? One is inquiring and the other one gets inquired ?Werner Oh, puleeeeeze. Oh, wait.....I remember now. This is the place where word games are played, like pretending 'timeless truth' is the one without the expiration date, and that self inquiry must mean one self inquiring into the existance of another self. PhilCreate a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 > > > > > > When Niz taught " you never were born " and you are the child of a > > > barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people gathered > > > around him ? > > > He was speaking the the spurious sense of self. He was speaking the delusional result of identification. Self evolved because it helps the organism survive and reproduce. It does, however, have a downside. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When Niz taught " you never were born " and you are the child of a > > > > barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people gathered > > > > around him ? > > > > > > > > He was speaking the the spurious sense of self. > > He was speaking the delusional result of identification. > > Self evolved because it helps the organism survive and reproduce. > > It does, however, have a downside. > > > toombaru 'he' never said a word. he was 'said'. and ever since 'it' has been said that 'he' said something. that really doesn't say anything. there is nothing to say. don't worry..be happy.. it's all that there is. do what thy wilt = the whole of the Law. for there is none that can 'do'.. ALL is done. if you believe in either upsides or downsides.. the prisons and controls of delusion and illusion.. are freely creating the creatures and critters of the specter 'life'. die to that and never die again. then no answers nor questions remain... as if they had never been.. for in deed..they have not. Rejoice! baba brings you tidings of the Good News.. the News that is older than the very notions of age,life,thought. Om Tat Sat. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/29/2008 3:29:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes: > > Nisargadatta , " Phil " <souldreamone@> wrote: > > > > > > Werner: > > > > > > > > If there is " no one home " , as you suggest, then, who are you > > > talking to? > > > > > > > > DA > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > When Niz taught " you never were born " and you are the child of a > > > barren woman, then to whom was he talking when people guethered > > > around him ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > I see the group is as feisty as ever. I remember this as the place > > you could always find a good street fight if yer up for it....or > down > > with it, whatever. With any luck, Werner won't remember me, but a > > weird thought has been running through my head as I follow this > > conversation. Though he may have his own spin on it, what he's > saying > > is the same thing every nondual and Advaita teacher I've ever > > stumbled across says, and so where's the beef? You can't get in > > Nizzy's face about it but surely we can come up with a long list of > > breathing gurus who will testify that the human is a mere > expression > > of the Divinity that you are; a collection of conditioned responses > > reacting spontaneously to thoughts and feelings arising without any > > volition. > > > > It's not especially ego friendly but that's the whole danged point, > > isn't it? I might have missed sumthin but it sounds like the whole > > idea that you're not really a person is just laughable. Did I miss > > sumthin? It's not very difficult to notice that the whole idea of > > personhood is laughable. An individual has nothing else on which to > > base it's reactions but it's past experience, and that also applies > > to it's past experience. This is supposed to turn ones attention to > > the source of those thoughts which clearly arise spontaneously > > without your approval. What's forming them thar thoughts? Or is > self > > inquiry also a controversial topic these days? > > > > Phil > > > > > Hm, Phil, > > Indeed, at the moment I can't remember you. > > And I don't quite understand what you wanted to say. What is your > point ? > > And btw, self-enquiry, are there two selfs ? One is inquiring and the > other one gets inquired ? > > Werner > > > > Oh, puleeeeeze. Oh, wait.....I remember now. This is the place where word > games are played, like pretending 'timeless truth' is the one without the > expiration date, and that self inquiry must mean one self inquiring into the > existance of another self. > > Phil and games of pretending like thinking.. that you really have said anything cogent or respectable. uh..if timeless means WITH an expiration date to you.. what silly word game are you playing? clarabelle the clown was the only truth talker on 'Howdy Doody Time'. baba is sure, from reading your inanities and misconstruing.. you MUST be way to young to remember Howdy and friends.. so..just so you know.. Clarabelle never said anything. that's the only way he remained truthful. unlike yourself. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 In a message dated 3/30/2008 8:53:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Roberibus111 writes: > > Hm, Phil,> > Indeed, at the moment I can't remember you.> > And I don't quite understand what you wanted to say. What is your > point ?> > And btw, self-enquiry, are there two selfs ? One is inquiring and the > other one gets inquired ?> > Werner> > > > Oh, puleeeeeze. Oh, wait.....I remember now. This is the place whereword > games are played, like pretending 'timeless truth' is the onewithout the > expiration date, and that self inquiry must mean one self inquiringinto the > existance of another self. > > Philand games of pretending like thinking..that you really have said anything cogent or respectable.uh..if timeless means WITH an expiration date to you.. ****No,no,no, timeless would be without the expiration date. I can talk more slowly if that will help you keep up. what silly word game are you playing? *****I never really know what silly game I'll be playing when I get on a forum. It seems like I'm aligning with the smarmy condescending dismissiveness that's already here, at least for now. It's really not me, so it's kinda interesting. clarabelle the clown was the only truth talker on 'Howdy Doody Time'.baba is sure, ****Wait......baba is you? You talk about yourself in third person like you're enlightened or sumthin? Whoa Nelly! from reading your inanities and misconstruing..you MUST be way to young to remember Howdy and friends.. ****Thank you for that. HA! Little Philly so..just so you know..Clarabelle never said anything.that's the only way he remained truthful.unlike yourself..b b.b. Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/30/2008 8:53:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Roberibus111 writes: > > > > > Hm, Phil, > > > > Indeed, at the moment I can't remember you. > > > > And I don't quite understand what you wanted to say. What is your > > point ? > > > > And btw, self-enquiry, are there two selfs ? One is inquiring and the > > other one gets inquired ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Oh, puleeeeeze. Oh, wait.....I remember now. This is the place where > word > > games are played, like pretending 'timeless truth' is the one > without the > > expiration date, and that self inquiry must mean one self inquiring > into the > > existance of another self. > > > > Phil > > > > > and games of pretending like thinking.. > > that you really have said anything cogent or respectable. > > uh..if timeless means WITH an expiration date to you.. > > > > ****No,no,no, timeless would be without the expiration date. I can talk more > slowly if that will help you keep up. no no no... you're too slow. you wrote: " ..like PRETENDING 'timeless truth' is the one without the expiration date " now you are pretending that you didn't say that... and that it's not pretend that it doesn't have such an expiry date. if you had one i'd say make up your mind. reread your inane statement above. i know that you don't understand what your trying to say.. but this is ridiculous son. time to get a bit up to speed little phil! > what silly word game are you playing? > > *****I never really know what silly game I'll be playing when I get on a > forum. It seems like I'm aligning with the smarmy condescending dismissiveness > that's already here, at least for now. It's really not me, so it's kinda > interesting. no.. it's just stupid. but baba can see how that would be an interesting thing for children. enjoy then! > clarabelle the clown was the only truth talker on 'Howdy Doody Time'. > > baba is sure, > > > ****Wait......baba is you? You talk about yourself in third person like > you're enlightened or sumthin? Whoa Nelly! sorry son, the name is not Nelly. baba is no one and everyone... as everyone IS no one. there is no first person let alone second or third. oh..you can't understand right? well you're dismissed then. go on about your kiddy games. s'alright boy! > from reading your inanities and misconstruing.. > > you MUST be way to young to remember Howdy and friends.. > > > > ****Thank you for that. HA! > Little Philly you're welcome Phil. ..b b.b. p.s. i'm leaving the rest below for your benefit. no need to thank me again. the thanks above is acceptable for all the lessons.. above and below. :-) > so..just so you know.. > > Clarabelle never said anything. > > that's the only way he remained truthful. > > unlike yourself. > > .b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 In a message dated 3/31/2008 7:07:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Roberibus111 writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 3/30/2008 8:53:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Roberibus111 writes:> > > > > Hm, Phil,> > > > Indeed, at the moment I can't remember you.> > > > And I don't quite understand what you wanted to say. What is your > > point ?> > > > And btw, self-enquiry, are there two selfs ? One is inquiringand the > > other one gets inquired ?> > > > Werner> > > > > > > > Oh, puleeeeeze. Oh, wait.....I remember now. This is the place where> word > > games are played, like pretending 'timeless truth' is the one> without the > > expiration date, and that self inquiry must mean one self inquiring> into the > > existance of another self. > > > > Phil> > > > > and games of pretending like thinking..> > that you really have said anything cogent or respectable.> > uh..if timeless means WITH an expiration date to you..> > > > ****No,no,no, timeless would be without the expiration date. I cantalk more > slowly if that will help you keep up.no no no...you're too slow.you wrote:"..like PRETENDING 'timeless truth' is the one without the expirationdate"now you are pretending that you didn't say that...and that it's not pretend that it doesn't have such an expiry date. *****Ahhh, okay, I see where I lost you now. Stop playing with your toes for just a minute or you'll miss the point again. Suggesting that 'timeless truth' implies a non-timeless truth is where the silliness happened. (Habitual dualistic thinking for the sake of playing word games to make somebody wrong) With droll wit, I likened this to saying timeless truth is the one without the expiration date. Instead of seeing the silliness of your original comment, you repeated the silliness and assumed my comment implied that the correct interpretation was that timeless truth DOES have an expiration date. (Same habitual, thinking pattern) No such implication. No expiration dates involved. Adjectives are our friends. sorry son, the name is not Nelly.baba is no one and everyone... as everyone IS no one.there is no first person let alone second or third.oh..you can't understand right?well you're dismissed then.go on about your kiddy games.s'alright boy! ****Oh, Phil understands the concepts as well as you, and so far it appears there is more clarity in the Phil body/mind organism than in the Booby body/mind organism, but Phil doesn't feel the need to pretend he has transcended such human foolishness. :::::Phil runs off to play with his toy trucks:::::: > from reading your inanities and misconstruing..> > you MUST be way to young to remember Howdy and friends..> > > > ****Thank you for that. HA!> Little Phillyyou're welcome Phil..b b.b.p.s.i'm leaving the rest below for your benefit.no need to thank me again.the thanks above is acceptable for all the lessons..above and below.:-)Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/31/2008 7:07:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Roberibus111 writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/30/2008 8:53:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Roberibus111@ writes: > > > > > > > > Hm, Phil, > > > > > > Indeed, at the moment I can't remember you. > > > > > > And I don't quite understand what you wanted to say. What is your > > > point ? > > > > > > And btw, self-enquiry, are there two selfs ? One is inquiring > and the > > > other one gets inquired ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, puleeeeeze. Oh, wait.....I remember now. This is the place where > > word > > > games are played, like pretending 'timeless truth' is the one > > without the > > > expiration date, and that self inquiry must mean one self inquiring > > into the > > > existance of another self. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > and games of pretending like thinking.. > > > > that you really have said anything cogent or respectable. > > > > uh..if timeless means WITH an expiration date to you.. > > > > > > > > ****No,no,no, timeless would be without the expiration date. I can > talk more > > slowly if that will help you keep up. > > > no no no... > > you're too slow. > > you wrote: > > " ..like PRETENDING 'timeless truth' is the one without the expiration > date " > > now you are pretending that you didn't say that... > > and that it's not pretend that it doesn't have such an expiry date. > > > > *****Ahhh, okay, I see where I lost you now. no phil.. you are the lost to your SELF. baba is never lost and can always be found. baba's right here. LOOK! SEE! " I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS " . >Stop playing with your toes for just a minute or you'll miss the point again. philly..toe playing and burbling are your games...remember? and besides son..you never make a point. you have none to make and don't seem to know how to anyway. >Suggesting that 'timeless > truth' implies a non-timeless truth is where the silliness happened. beg pardon? that was NEVER suggested. in fact.. " is there a truth that isn't timeless?' was the question posed. are you ok phil? do you have reading comprehension skills? >....(Habitual dualistic thinking for the sake of playing word games to make somebody wrong) all thinking is dualistic phil. all thinking is habitual phil. it's done without needing 'sakes' or reasons. unless you're a two by four. well....maybe you are. what IS the matter with you. you really seem new to all that IS nondual. well these matters will clear up for you in (perceived) time. > With droll wit, I likened this to saying timeless truth is the one without the > expiration date. no..that's not at all what you said. go back and review or you will fail this course. >Instead of seeing the silliness of your original comment, > you repeated the silliness and assumed my comment implied that the correct > interpretation was that timeless truth DOES have an expiration date. (Same > habitual, thinking pattern) No such implication. No expiration dates involved. > Adjectives are our friends. you do like to babble. maybe your adjective friends pretend to understand your nonsense. but phil.. you don't make sense. you make excuses for your inane comments. good luck with that. maybe if you try that in a Romper Room it ill pass muster. ain't gonna happen here. there is however a place for obfuscation like you attempt.. you've been there many times.. it's not great but it's filled with Graters. LOL! > sorry son, the name is not Nelly. > > baba is no one and everyone... as everyone IS no one. > > there is no first person let alone second or third. > > oh..you can't understand right? > > well you're dismissed then. > > go on about your kiddy games. > > s'alright boy! > > > > ****Oh, Phil understands the concepts as well as you, and so far it appears > there is more clarity in the Phil body/mind organism than in the Booby > body/mind organism, but Phil doesn't feel the need to pretend he has transcended > such human foolishness. appears to who? if there is a 'who'.. and a 'concept'.. and an understanding thereof.. perhaps you need a lesson or three in non-triunity.. nonduality would seem then to be a distant capability for philly. > :::::Phil runs off to play with his toy trucks:::::: i just know you will. too bad you're too young to remember H. Doody and pals below. that show was much more fun than toy trucks.. for two year olds in the day. do you have Tonkas? oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! they must be great companions for our little guy. do they talk to you about all you know too? the wager here is that you must have great conversations. again what's below is left here for your possible assistance. the assistance is there but it's not sure you can handle it... without throwing another tantrum. ..b bobji baba > > from reading your inanities and misconstruing.. > > > > you MUST be way to young to remember Howdy and friends.. > > > > > > > > ****Thank you for that. HA! > > Little Philly > > > > > you're welcome Phil. > > > .b b.b. > > > p.s. > > i'm leaving the rest below for your benefit. > > no need to thank me again. > > the thanks above is acceptable for all the lessons.. > > above and below. > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 In a message dated 4/2/2008 9:24:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Roberibus111 writes: >Suggesting that 'timeless > truth' implies a non-timeless truth is where the silliness happened beg pardon? that was NEVER suggested. in fact.."is there a truth that isn't timeless?' was the question posed. ******Still looks to me like you suggested precisely that. > With droll wit, I likened this to saying timeless truth is the onewithout the > expiration date.no..that's not at all what you said.go back and review or you will fail this course. ****OhhhhhLordy, I don't wanna fail! He's the actual quote: Oh, puleeeeeze. Oh, wait.....I remember now. This is the place where> word > > games are played, like pretending 'timeless truth' is the one> without the > > expiration date, and that self inquiry must mean one self inquiring> into the > > existance of another self. Looks to me like that's precisely what I said. PhilPlanning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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