Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver wrote: > > Werner, > > I hope you don't mind if I start a new thread. This topic is pretty > interesting. Thank You so much for your input. Let's take a look at > what you wrote: > > ********** > " Who decides what is irrational and rational thinking ? Who is that, > who claims his point of view being rational ? It is thought, isn't > it ? " - Werner > > Ego decides. Ego makes claims. Ego thinks. > > ********** > " It is again thought which denoted previous thoughts as rational or > irrational. And in addition these thoughts use the words " I " or " me " . > They are telling to be you, can you see that ? " - Werner > > Yes. Ego and thought. Ego believes it is separate from the thinking > process when in reality it IS the thinking process. The thought, " I > am " creates the concept of personhood. > > ********** > " But there is no one at home. There are only thoughts being in > conflict with each other, an the most interesting thing is that each > thought believes it is transporting " truth " . And already the next > thought claims the truth of that previous thought as irrational. " - > Werner > > Yes. Ego naturally creates conflict. Clashing thoughts create > clashing emotions which create irrational behaviour among egos, often > leading to all out war. The ego believes it SHOULD believe a certain > concept absolutely and believes every other ego MUST also believe it. > And these irrational and harmful ego thoughts contribute to the ills > we all witness in our common everyday experience. It would indeed be > better for there to be " no one at home! " > > ********** > " There is no one at home, Rob. There is only this endless circus and > game all these thoughts are playing. " - Werner > > Yes and sharing the healthier belief that " There is no one at home " > and spreading it far and wide so that it reaches as many other egos > out there will help to alleviate suffering in our common experience > of " this endless circus and game. " > > ********* > " Btw, thoughts are only created by the brain to eventually get > communicated. They are all verbal. Loud thoughts are called speaking > and without voice they are called thinking. " - Werner > > Okay. > > ********* > " Did you know that all decisions the mind is making are getting > conscious half a second later when they already are made ? And that > means there is no one at home consciously making decisions - no free > choice, no free will and no free decision. All that happens before > they get conscious. " - Werner > > Yes but the tree eventually produces fruit. Some of it good and some > of it rotten. > > ********* > " Then who is that who claims to work for ratioal and healthy > thinking ? It is thought which does all that ... thought is a liar > and cheater. " > > " Are " You " all that ? " > > " Werner " > > Only ego. That which watches all does nothing, thinks > nothing. 'I' 'am' 'that'. > > Rob > > P.S. Thanks again for your thoughts Werner. I appreciate you! > Rob, Ego, ego, ego ... It is a myth that ego and it does not exist. There is no such a thing as a ego. But there is the survival instinct arround which are guethered all those reactions, impulses and strategies which will help the organsims to survive. And because this bundle of survival strategies has the same background, SURVIVAL, the idea or the concept of an ego was created to give all those survival strategies a common origin. But the ego is just a metaphor, a more or less helpless explanation what is the drive behind all those survival impulses. There is no ego which thinks or acts, Rob. There is only this bundle of experiences engraved as memory, all those conditioned reflexes and reactions, which have a common goal - to sustain survival. There is no one at home within and arround, neither below or above all that multitiude of survival strategies and impulses. Ego is an old myth but it does not exist. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > Werner, > > > > I hope you don't mind if I start a new thread. This topic is pretty > > interesting. Thank You so much for your input. Let's take a look at > > what you wrote: > > > > ********** > > " Who decides what is irrational and rational thinking ? Who is > that, > > who claims his point of view being rational ? It is thought, isn't > > it ? " - Werner > > > > Ego decides. Ego makes claims. Ego thinks. > > > > ********** > > " It is again thought which denoted previous thoughts as rational or > > irrational. And in addition these thoughts use the words " I " > or " me " . > > They are telling to be you, can you see that ? " - Werner > > > > Yes. Ego and thought. Ego believes it is separate from the thinking > > process when in reality it IS the thinking process. The thought, " I > > am " creates the concept of personhood. > > > > ********** > > " But there is no one at home. There are only thoughts being in > > conflict with each other, an the most interesting thing is that > each > > thought believes it is transporting " truth " . And already the next > > thought claims the truth of that previous thought as irrational. " - > > Werner > > > > Yes. Ego naturally creates conflict. Clashing thoughts create > > clashing emotions which create irrational behaviour among egos, > often > > leading to all out war. The ego believes it SHOULD believe a > certain > > concept absolutely and believes every other ego MUST also believe > it. > > And these irrational and harmful ego thoughts contribute to the > ills > > we all witness in our common everyday experience. It would indeed > be > > better for there to be " no one at home! " > > > > ********** > > " There is no one at home, Rob. There is only this endless circus > and > > game all these thoughts are playing. " - Werner > > > > Yes and sharing the healthier belief that " There is no one at home " > > and spreading it far and wide so that it reaches as many other egos > > out there will help to alleviate suffering in our common experience > > of " this endless circus and game. " > > > > ********* > > " Btw, thoughts are only created by the brain to eventually get > > communicated. They are all verbal. Loud thoughts are called > speaking > > and without voice they are called thinking. " - Werner > > > > Okay. > > > > ********* > > " Did you know that all decisions the mind is making are getting > > conscious half a second later when they already are made ? And that > > means there is no one at home consciously making decisions - no > free > > choice, no free will and no free decision. All that happens before > > they get conscious. " - Werner > > > > Yes but the tree eventually produces fruit. Some of it good and > some > > of it rotten. > > > > ********* > > " Then who is that who claims to work for ratioal and healthy > > thinking ? It is thought which does all that ... thought is a liar > > and cheater. " > > > > " Are " You " all that ? " > > > > " Werner " > > > > Only ego. That which watches all does nothing, thinks > > nothing. 'I' 'am' 'that'. > > > > Rob > > > > P.S. Thanks again for your thoughts Werner. I appreciate you! > > > > > Rob, > > Ego, ego, ego ... > > It is a myth that ego and it does not exist. There is no such a thing > as a ego. > > But there is the survival instinct arround which are guethered all > those reactions, impulses and strategies which will help the > organsims to survive. > > And because this bundle of survival strategies has the same > background, SURVIVAL, the idea or the concept of an ego was created > to give all those survival strategies a common origin. But the ego is > just a metaphor, a more or less helpless explanation what is the > drive behind all those survival impulses. > > There is no ego which thinks or acts, Rob. > > There is only this bundle of experiences engraved as memory, all > those conditioned reflexes and reactions, which have a common goal - > to sustain survival. > > There is no one at home within and arround, neither below or above > all that multitiude of survival strategies and impulses. > > Ego is an old myth but it does not exist. > > Werner this whole thingie above wernie is utter nonsense cooked up.. by your nonexistent ego.. in order to survive. because it believes that it would die if it was wrong. well fear not! you and your ego and your shadow and your echo.. are all wrong. but damn it all..wenrner wonderboy and all his ghosts still live! gee that's a shame no? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > Werner, > > > > I hope you don't mind if I start a new thread. This topic is pretty > > interesting. Thank You so much for your input. Let's take a look at > > what you wrote: > > > > ********** > > " Who decides what is irrational and rational thinking ? Who is > that, > > who claims his point of view being rational ? It is thought, isn't > > it ? " - Werner > > > > Ego decides. Ego makes claims. Ego thinks. > > > > ********** > > " It is again thought which denoted previous thoughts as rational or > > irrational. And in addition these thoughts use the words " I " > or " me " . > > They are telling to be you, can you see that ? " - Werner > > > > Yes. Ego and thought. Ego believes it is separate from the thinking > > process when in reality it IS the thinking process. The thought, " I > > am " creates the concept of personhood. > > > > ********** > > " But there is no one at home. There are only thoughts being in > > conflict with each other, an the most interesting thing is that > each > > thought believes it is transporting " truth " . And already the next > > thought claims the truth of that previous thought as irrational. " - > > Werner > > > > Yes. Ego naturally creates conflict. Clashing thoughts create > > clashing emotions which create irrational behaviour among egos, > often > > leading to all out war. The ego believes it SHOULD believe a > certain > > concept absolutely and believes every other ego MUST also believe > it. > > And these irrational and harmful ego thoughts contribute to the > ills > > we all witness in our common everyday experience. It would indeed > be > > better for there to be " no one at home! " > > > > ********** > > " There is no one at home, Rob. There is only this endless circus > and > > game all these thoughts are playing. " - Werner > > > > Yes and sharing the healthier belief that " There is no one at home " > > and spreading it far and wide so that it reaches as many other egos > > out there will help to alleviate suffering in our common experience > > of " this endless circus and game. " > > > > ********* > > " Btw, thoughts are only created by the brain to eventually get > > communicated. They are all verbal. Loud thoughts are called > speaking > > and without voice they are called thinking. " - Werner > > > > Okay. > > > > ********* > > " Did you know that all decisions the mind is making are getting > > conscious half a second later when they already are made ? And that > > means there is no one at home consciously making decisions - no > free > > choice, no free will and no free decision. All that happens before > > they get conscious. " - Werner > > > > Yes but the tree eventually produces fruit. Some of it good and > some > > of it rotten. > > > > ********* > > " Then who is that who claims to work for ratioal and healthy > > thinking ? It is thought which does all that ... thought is a liar > > and cheater. " > > > > " Are " You " all that ? " > > > > " Werner " > > > > Only ego. That which watches all does nothing, thinks > > nothing. 'I' 'am' 'that'. > > > > Rob > > > > P.S. Thanks again for your thoughts Werner. I appreciate you! > > > > > Rob, > > Ego, ego, ego ... > > It is a myth that ego and it does not exist. There is no such a thing > as a ego. > > But there is the survival instinct arround which are guethered all > those reactions, impulses and strategies which will help the > organsims to survive. > > And because this bundle of survival strategies has the same > background, SURVIVAL, the idea or the concept of an ego was created > to give all those survival strategies a common origin. But the ego is > just a metaphor, a more or less helpless explanation what is the > drive behind all those survival impulses. > > There is no ego which thinks or acts, Rob. > > There is only this bundle of experiences engraved as memory, all > those conditioned reflexes and reactions, which have a common goal - > to sustain survival. > > There is no one at home within and arround, neither below or above > all that multitiude of survival strategies and impulses. > > Ego is an old myth but it does not exist. > > Werner > ************* Werner, Awesome! Thank You! You've given me so much to think about here. Wow. Now, this all sounds like U.G. Krishnamurti's stuff. Am I right? I love that guy! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > I hope you don't mind if I start a new thread. This topic is > pretty > > > interesting. Thank You so much for your input. Let's take a look > at > > > what you wrote: > > > > > > ********** > > > " Who decides what is irrational and rational thinking ? Who is > > that, > > > who claims his point of view being rational ? It is thought, > isn't > > > it ? " - Werner > > > > > > Ego decides. Ego makes claims. Ego thinks. > > > > > > ********** > > > " It is again thought which denoted previous thoughts as rational > or > > > irrational. And in addition these thoughts use the words " I " > > or " me " . > > > They are telling to be you, can you see that ? " - Werner > > > > > > Yes. Ego and thought. Ego believes it is separate from the > thinking > > > process when in reality it IS the thinking process. The > thought, " I > > > am " creates the concept of personhood. > > > > > > ********** > > > " But there is no one at home. There are only thoughts being in > > > conflict with each other, an the most interesting thing is that > > each > > > thought believes it is transporting " truth " . And already the next > > > thought claims the truth of that previous thought as > irrational. " - > > > Werner > > > > > > Yes. Ego naturally creates conflict. Clashing thoughts create > > > clashing emotions which create irrational behaviour among egos, > > often > > > leading to all out war. The ego believes it SHOULD believe a > > certain > > > concept absolutely and believes every other ego MUST also believe > > it. > > > And these irrational and harmful ego thoughts contribute to the > > ills > > > we all witness in our common everyday experience. It would indeed > > be > > > better for there to be " no one at home! " > > > > > > ********** > > > " There is no one at home, Rob. There is only this endless circus > > and > > > game all these thoughts are playing. " - Werner > > > > > > Yes and sharing the healthier belief that " There is no one at > home " > > > and spreading it far and wide so that it reaches as many other > egos > > > out there will help to alleviate suffering in our common > experience > > > of " this endless circus and game. " > > > > > > ********* > > > " Btw, thoughts are only created by the brain to eventually get > > > communicated. They are all verbal. Loud thoughts are called > > speaking > > > and without voice they are called thinking. " - Werner > > > > > > Okay. > > > > > > ********* > > > " Did you know that all decisions the mind is making are getting > > > conscious half a second later when they already are made ? And > that > > > means there is no one at home consciously making decisions - no > > free > > > choice, no free will and no free decision. All that happens > before > > > they get conscious. " - Werner > > > > > > Yes but the tree eventually produces fruit. Some of it good and > > some > > > of it rotten. > > > > > > ********* > > > " Then who is that who claims to work for ratioal and healthy > > > thinking ? It is thought which does all that ... thought is a > liar > > > and cheater. " > > > > > > " Are " You " all that ? " > > > > > > " Werner " > > > > > > Only ego. That which watches all does nothing, thinks > > > nothing. 'I' 'am' 'that'. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > P.S. Thanks again for your thoughts Werner. I appreciate you! > > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > Ego, ego, ego ... > > > > It is a myth that ego and it does not exist. There is no such a > thing > > as a ego. > > > > But there is the survival instinct arround which are guethered all > > those reactions, impulses and strategies which will help the > > organsims to survive. > > > > And because this bundle of survival strategies has the same > > background, SURVIVAL, the idea or the concept of an ego was created > > to give all those survival strategies a common origin. But the ego > is > > just a metaphor, a more or less helpless explanation what is the > > drive behind all those survival impulses. > > > > There is no ego which thinks or acts, Rob. > > > > There is only this bundle of experiences engraved as memory, all > > those conditioned reflexes and reactions, which have a common goal - > > > to sustain survival. > > > > There is no one at home within and arround, neither below or above > > all that multitiude of survival strategies and impulses. > > > > Ego is an old myth but it does not exist. > > > > Werner > > > ************* > Werner, > > Awesome! Thank You! You've given me so much to think about here. Wow. > Now, this all sounds like U.G. Krishnamurti's stuff. Am I right? I > love that guy! > > Rob baba thinks it's l. ron hubbard stuff. man tom cruise loves that dead guy! of course they are both nonexistent egos trying to survive. and no one really 'thinks' about this stuff. there are only the thoughts about this stuff... and thoughts about the thinkers of this stuff that isn't really there. ask the nonexistent wernie for confirmation. :-) ..b b.b. p.s. i would also like to thank the brainless,thoughtless,unreal,wernie.. for all the laughs! he's a gas!....which isn't for real of course. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > I hope you don't mind if I start a new thread. This topic is > pretty > > > interesting. Thank You so much for your input. Let's take a look > at > > > what you wrote: > > > > > > ********** > > > " Who decides what is irrational and rational thinking ? Who is > > that, > > > who claims his point of view being rational ? It is thought, > isn't > > > it ? " - Werner > > > > > > Ego decides. Ego makes claims. Ego thinks. > > > > > > ********** > > > " It is again thought which denoted previous thoughts as rational > or > > > irrational. And in addition these thoughts use the words " I " > > or " me " . > > > They are telling to be you, can you see that ? " - Werner > > > > > > Yes. Ego and thought. Ego believes it is separate from the > thinking > > > process when in reality it IS the thinking process. The > thought, " I > > > am " creates the concept of personhood. > > > > > > ********** > > > " But there is no one at home. There are only thoughts being in > > > conflict with each other, an the most interesting thing is that > > each > > > thought believes it is transporting " truth " . And already the next > > > thought claims the truth of that previous thought as > irrational. " - > > > Werner > > > > > > Yes. Ego naturally creates conflict. Clashing thoughts create > > > clashing emotions which create irrational behaviour among egos, > > often > > > leading to all out war. The ego believes it SHOULD believe a > > certain > > > concept absolutely and believes every other ego MUST also believe > > it. > > > And these irrational and harmful ego thoughts contribute to the > > ills > > > we all witness in our common everyday experience. It would indeed > > be > > > better for there to be " no one at home! " > > > > > > ********** > > > " There is no one at home, Rob. There is only this endless circus > > and > > > game all these thoughts are playing. " - Werner > > > > > > Yes and sharing the healthier belief that " There is no one at > home " > > > and spreading it far and wide so that it reaches as many other > egos > > > out there will help to alleviate suffering in our common > experience > > > of " this endless circus and game. " > > > > > > ********* > > > " Btw, thoughts are only created by the brain to eventually get > > > communicated. They are all verbal. Loud thoughts are called > > speaking > > > and without voice they are called thinking. " - Werner > > > > > > Okay. > > > > > > ********* > > > " Did you know that all decisions the mind is making are getting > > > conscious half a second later when they already are made ? And > that > > > means there is no one at home consciously making decisions - no > > free > > > choice, no free will and no free decision. All that happens > before > > > they get conscious. " - Werner > > > > > > Yes but the tree eventually produces fruit. Some of it good and > > some > > > of it rotten. > > > > > > ********* > > > " Then who is that who claims to work for ratioal and healthy > > > thinking ? It is thought which does all that ... thought is a > liar > > > and cheater. " > > > > > > " Are " You " all that ? " > > > > > > " Werner " > > > > > > Only ego. That which watches all does nothing, thinks > > > nothing. 'I' 'am' 'that'. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > P.S. Thanks again for your thoughts Werner. I appreciate you! > > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > Ego, ego, ego ... > > > > It is a myth that ego and it does not exist. There is no such a > thing > > as a ego. > > > > But there is the survival instinct arround which are guethered all > > those reactions, impulses and strategies which will help the > > organsims to survive. > > > > And because this bundle of survival strategies has the same > > background, SURVIVAL, the idea or the concept of an ego was created > > to give all those survival strategies a common origin. But the ego > is > > just a metaphor, a more or less helpless explanation what is the > > drive behind all those survival impulses. > > > > There is no ego which thinks or acts, Rob. > > > > There is only this bundle of experiences engraved as memory, all > > those conditioned reflexes and reactions, which have a common goal - > > > to sustain survival. > > > > There is no one at home within and arround, neither below or above > > all that multitiude of survival strategies and impulses. > > > > Ego is an old myth but it does not exist. > > > > Werner > > > ************* > Werner, > > Awesome! Thank You! You've given me so much to think about here. Wow. > Now, this all sounds like U.G. Krishnamurti's stuff. Am I right? I > love that guy! > > Rob > You are welcome, Rob, Yes, I am indeed a fan of UG and I have two things in common with him - I have long white hairs and I do not offer any carrots. You know all those " Do this and you will gain that " , " Follow me and you will gain heavens " . This " nobody home " is the very core of Niz's teaching or message. But strangely enough, this Maharaj list here is attracting lots of positivists, Disneylanders who dream of enlightenment, cosmic consciousness, of bliss and all that other childish rubbish. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > I hope you don't mind if I start a new thread. This topic is > > pretty > > > > interesting. Thank You so much for your input. Let's take a > look > > at > > > > what you wrote: > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > " Who decides what is irrational and rational thinking ? Who is > > > that, > > > > who claims his point of view being rational ? It is thought, > > isn't > > > > it ? " - Werner > > > > > > > > Ego decides. Ego makes claims. Ego thinks. > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > " It is again thought which denoted previous thoughts as > rational > > or > > > > irrational. And in addition these thoughts use the words " I " > > > or " me " . > > > > They are telling to be you, can you see that ? " - Werner > > > > > > > > Yes. Ego and thought. Ego believes it is separate from the > > thinking > > > > process when in reality it IS the thinking process. The > > thought, " I > > > > am " creates the concept of personhood. > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > " But there is no one at home. There are only thoughts being in > > > > conflict with each other, an the most interesting thing is that > > > each > > > > thought believes it is transporting " truth " . And already the > next > > > > thought claims the truth of that previous thought as > > irrational. " - > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Yes. Ego naturally creates conflict. Clashing thoughts create > > > > clashing emotions which create irrational behaviour among egos, > > > often > > > > leading to all out war. The ego believes it SHOULD believe a > > > certain > > > > concept absolutely and believes every other ego MUST also > believe > > > it. > > > > And these irrational and harmful ego thoughts contribute to the > > > ills > > > > we all witness in our common everyday experience. It would > indeed > > > be > > > > better for there to be " no one at home! " > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > " There is no one at home, Rob. There is only this endless > circus > > > and > > > > game all these thoughts are playing. " - Werner > > > > > > > > Yes and sharing the healthier belief that " There is no one at > > home " > > > > and spreading it far and wide so that it reaches as many other > > egos > > > > out there will help to alleviate suffering in our common > > experience > > > > of " this endless circus and game. " > > > > > > > > ********* > > > > " Btw, thoughts are only created by the brain to eventually get > > > > communicated. They are all verbal. Loud thoughts are called > > > speaking > > > > and without voice they are called thinking. " - Werner > > > > > > > > Okay. > > > > > > > > ********* > > > > " Did you know that all decisions the mind is making are getting > > > > conscious half a second later when they already are made ? And > > that > > > > means there is no one at home consciously making decisions - no > > > free > > > > choice, no free will and no free decision. All that happens > > before > > > > they get conscious. " - Werner > > > > > > > > Yes but the tree eventually produces fruit. Some of it good and > > > some > > > > of it rotten. > > > > > > > > ********* > > > > " Then who is that who claims to work for ratioal and healthy > > > > thinking ? It is thought which does all that ... thought is a > > liar > > > > and cheater. " > > > > > > > > " Are " You " all that ? " > > > > > > > > " Werner " > > > > > > > > Only ego. That which watches all does nothing, thinks > > > > nothing. 'I' 'am' 'that'. > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > P.S. Thanks again for your thoughts Werner. I appreciate you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > Ego, ego, ego ... > > > > > > It is a myth that ego and it does not exist. There is no such a > > thing > > > as a ego. > > > > > > But there is the survival instinct arround which are guethered > all > > > those reactions, impulses and strategies which will help the > > > organsims to survive. > > > > > > And because this bundle of survival strategies has the same > > > background, SURVIVAL, the idea or the concept of an ego was > created > > > to give all those survival strategies a common origin. But the > ego > > is > > > just a metaphor, a more or less helpless explanation what is the > > > drive behind all those survival impulses. > > > > > > There is no ego which thinks or acts, Rob. > > > > > > There is only this bundle of experiences engraved as memory, all > > > those conditioned reflexes and reactions, which have a common > goal - > > > > > to sustain survival. > > > > > > There is no one at home within and arround, neither below or > above > > > all that multitiude of survival strategies and impulses. > > > > > > Ego is an old myth but it does not exist. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > ************* > > Werner, > > > > Awesome! Thank You! You've given me so much to think about here. > Wow. > > Now, this all sounds like U.G. Krishnamurti's stuff. Am I right? I > > love that guy! > > > > Rob > > > > > You are welcome, Rob, > > Yes, I am indeed a fan of UG and I have two things in common with > him - I have long white hairs and I do not offer any carrots. You > know all those " Do this and you will gain that " , " Follow me and you > will gain heavens " . > > This " nobody home " is the very core of Niz's teaching or message. But > strangely enough, this Maharaj list here is attracting lots of > positivists, Disneylanders who dream of enlightenment, cosmic > consciousness, of bliss and all that other childish rubbish. > > Werner ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Rob Savarie " <silver@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > > > I hope you don't mind if I start a new thread. This topic is > > > pretty > > > > > interesting. Thank You so much for your input. Let's take a > > look > > > at > > > > > what you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > > " Who decides what is irrational and rational thinking ? Who is > > > > that, > > > > > who claims his point of view being rational ? It is thought, > > > isn't > > > > > it ? " - Werner > > > > > > > > > > Ego decides. Ego makes claims. Ego thinks. > > > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > > " It is again thought which denoted previous thoughts as > > rational > > > or > > > > > irrational. And in addition these thoughts use the words " I " > > > > or " me " . > > > > > They are telling to be you, can you see that ? " - Werner > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Ego and thought. Ego believes it is separate from the > > > thinking > > > > > process when in reality it IS the thinking process. The > > > thought, " I > > > > > am " creates the concept of personhood. > > > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > > " But there is no one at home. There are only thoughts being in > > > > > conflict with each other, an the most interesting thing is that > > > > each > > > > > thought believes it is transporting " truth " . And already the > > next > > > > > thought claims the truth of that previous thought as > > > irrational. " - > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Ego naturally creates conflict. Clashing thoughts create > > > > > clashing emotions which create irrational behaviour among egos, > > > > often > > > > > leading to all out war. The ego believes it SHOULD believe a > > > > certain > > > > > concept absolutely and believes every other ego MUST also > > believe > > > > it. > > > > > And these irrational and harmful ego thoughts contribute to the > > > > ills > > > > > we all witness in our common everyday experience. It would > > indeed > > > > be > > > > > better for there to be " no one at home! " > > > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > > " There is no one at home, Rob. There is only this endless > > circus > > > > and > > > > > game all these thoughts are playing. " - Werner > > > > > > > > > > Yes and sharing the healthier belief that " There is no one at > > > home " > > > > > and spreading it far and wide so that it reaches as many other > > > egos > > > > > out there will help to alleviate suffering in our common > > > experience > > > > > of " this endless circus and game. " > > > > > > > > > > ********* > > > > > " Btw, thoughts are only created by the brain to eventually get > > > > > communicated. They are all verbal. Loud thoughts are called > > > > speaking > > > > > and without voice they are called thinking. " - Werner > > > > > > > > > > Okay. > > > > > > > > > > ********* > > > > > " Did you know that all decisions the mind is making are getting > > > > > conscious half a second later when they already are made ? And > > > that > > > > > means there is no one at home consciously making decisions - no > > > > free > > > > > choice, no free will and no free decision. All that happens > > > before > > > > > they get conscious. " - Werner > > > > > > > > > > Yes but the tree eventually produces fruit. Some of it good and > > > > some > > > > > of it rotten. > > > > > > > > > > ********* > > > > > " Then who is that who claims to work for ratioal and healthy > > > > > thinking ? It is thought which does all that ... thought is a > > > liar > > > > > and cheater. " > > > > > > > > > > " Are " You " all that ? " > > > > > > > > > > " Werner " > > > > > > > > > > Only ego. That which watches all does nothing, thinks > > > > > nothing. 'I' 'am' 'that'. > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Thanks again for your thoughts Werner. I appreciate you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > > > Ego, ego, ego ... > > > > > > > > It is a myth that ego and it does not exist. There is no such a > > > thing > > > > as a ego. > > > > > > > > But there is the survival instinct arround which are guethered > > all > > > > those reactions, impulses and strategies which will help the > > > > organsims to survive. > > > > > > > > And because this bundle of survival strategies has the same > > > > background, SURVIVAL, the idea or the concept of an ego was > > created > > > > to give all those survival strategies a common origin. But the > > ego > > > is > > > > just a metaphor, a more or less helpless explanation what is the > > > > drive behind all those survival impulses. > > > > > > > > There is no ego which thinks or acts, Rob. > > > > > > > > There is only this bundle of experiences engraved as memory, all > > > > those conditioned reflexes and reactions, which have a common > > goal - > > > > > > > to sustain survival. > > > > > > > > There is no one at home within and arround, neither below or > > above > > > > all that multitiude of survival strategies and impulses. > > > > > > > > Ego is an old myth but it does not exist. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > ************* > > > Werner, > > > > > > Awesome! Thank You! You've given me so much to think about here. > > Wow. > > > Now, this all sounds like U.G. Krishnamurti's stuff. Am I right? I > > > love that guy! > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > You are welcome, Rob, > > > > Yes, I am indeed a fan of UG and I have two things in common with > > him - I have long white hairs and I do not offer any carrots. You > > know all those " Do this and you will gain that " , " Follow me and you > > will gain heavens " . > > > > This " nobody home " is the very core of Niz's teaching or message. But > > strangely enough, this Maharaj list here is attracting lots of > > positivists, Disneylanders who dream of enlightenment, cosmic > > consciousness, of bliss and all that other childish rubbish. > > > > Werner > > > ROFLMAO! > > .b b.b. actually herr wernie it's strange that you find it strange.. who this list attracts. strangely enough.... you're here. rather childish of you then yes? well then there it is: rubbish attracts rubbish. for sure your posts are bliss creating in their inanity.. LOL! ..b b.b. p.s. what are 'you' looking for kid? 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